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By:
brigust1
When: 25 May 20 12:32
Don't get me wrong I am surprised this is still going on. But I have concluded that Boris trusts his advisor is telling the truth and I am not in touch with all of the facts so I think, unless something new comes up to change my opinion, that Boris not bending to the press and a few backbenchers, shows courage and fortitude. Completely unlike his opposite number who clearly shows he will make decisions based upon what the press is going to say and not on what is right.
By:
moondan
When: 25 May 20 12:33
Brighurst.

I did not think you were capable of such rubbish.
Obviously you are just another blind deep blue.    Gather yourself young man, you do have some promise but a slice of truth and reality would enrich your reputation.Grin
By:
geordie1956
When: 25 May 20 12:41
Boris shouldn't throw his advisor under the bus just because the newspapers, who are making decisions when not knowing all the facts and are stirring up the country just to suit their own agenda, think they should. And that is just like many on here, at a time when we should be working together. They should, and many of you, should go under the bus because this really isn't about Cummins he is just a small part of your equation against this Government. You really couldn't give a monkey's about this country

What a load of shoite! ... the real enemy is johnson & his cronies who could have reduced the deaths in the UK and avoided a tragedy at the outset .. their obstinacy & lack of foresight meant we were always working without adequate provision of PPE; Ventilators; protection for Nursing Homes.
The message from the Gov't was we are all in this together ... stay safe; stay home & protect the NHS  .. it seems it only applies to the plebs!
By:
thegiggilo
When: 25 May 20 12:46
Cummings doing a press release,hilarious let me guess some fake apology,walofs let's mive on job done so predictable..
By:
brigust1
When: 25 May 20 12:48
I obviously disagree with you Geordie. The good thing for me is that I have a Government I can enjoy and relax about whereas you are going to waste the next ten years ranting and raving about something you can do nothing about. And, on top of that, the opposition ts looking crap as well. Happy days Geordie.Wink
By:
moondan
When: 25 May 20 13:03
Geordie.1956

Well said.

When I see 1956  it reminds me of the first single I ever bought Heartbreak hotel by Elvis, I was 11 and a girl in my class kept on about it.
I remember she had txts which was not common in the 50s for a girl of her age. I fell in love with her and Elvis but never managed to get her behind the bicycle sheds though it was not for the want of trying.
She loved Elvis so I never really was in with a shoutCry
By:
brigust1
When: 25 May 20 13:11
When is see 1956 I remember the year my wife was born. I am ten years older so that makes me younger than you Moon. I am also an avid fan of Elvis and listen to he records almost daily. His Latest Flame and American trilogy are my favourites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XJWrBpzgaU
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 25 May 20 13:21
If they have evidence they should publish it otherwise they shut up and stop speculating on unsubstantiated 'witness statements'.

As a side issue how did the media get these 'witness statements' - an unnecessary trip up north by any chance?
Insider Trader.

To the above, also jed.davison and bigrust on the same theme:


The sighting in Barnard Castle was 30 miles from the home of Cummings’s parents. It was witnessed by a man who made a note of a number plate and the witness, retired chemistry teacher Robin Lees, has made a complaint to the police. He says he saw Cummings and his family on 12 April, walking in the town before getting into a car.

People go to the police and to Fleet St. all the time with claims. First thing either would do is check the car number plate. Happily, Durham police are now being asked to investigate all aspects of #CumGate .  Of course, if Cummings had the least integrity he would already have volunteered his phone and car GPS for examination but he has form for non-compliance; he defied a Parliamentary Select Committee.
By:
brigust1
When: 25 May 20 13:36
Cummings is making a statement soon but I can see from your views it is unlikely that you will not listen so why should anyone listen to you?
By:
jed.davison
When: 25 May 20 13:38
I can't imagine DC's going to indulge in any public mea culpas, can you?
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 25 May 20 13:39
Oh, when is this, bigrust1?

Certainly give Cummings a hearing. I want him in the news as much as possible.
By:
jed.davison
When: 25 May 20 13:40
Later today UB.

It appears brigust is the latest to thoroughly get your number.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 25 May 20 13:41
Numero uno to you jed.
By:
Lee Ho Fooks
When: 25 May 20 13:42
Says he will take questions but will he answer them or be like Boris yesterday and ignore them?
By:
cryoftruth
When: 25 May 20 13:46
t I have a Government I can enjoy and relax about

yes Brigadier. You are a Tory and can therefore never accept that they do anything wrong. Highest death totals in Europe. PPE fiasco. 10 years financial attacks on NHS. Care home tragedy. Death planes wicked incompetence. Blatant hypocrisy of Cummingsgate. Testing plans at least 1 month behind. The worst British Government ever. A shocking combination of wickedness and incompetence. And yet you find you can enjoy and relax And you accuse quite objective observers like me of bias?
By:
jed.davison
When: 25 May 20 13:50
Quite objective observers?

Turn it in mate ffs.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 25 May 20 14:14
Perhaps Dominic Cummings in all humility is going to offer up his phone, and his car keys, for the GPS. Verifying his movements.

Simple.
By:
brigust1
When: 25 May 20 14:17
I am not a tory Cry I voted Corbyn at the last election but I do think the Conservatives are light years in front of this Labour group. It looks like I will be enjoying the next ten years in quiet confidence while you are wasting your life spewing garbage every day when you should just be relaxing and enjoying yourself.

I don't expect Cummings to put any phone or GPS forward in my boss if not trust my word I would be off.
By:
Lee Ho Fooks
When: 25 May 20 14:40
Trying to make it a political issue deflects from the real issue. This may have been a matter of life or death, that's why ALL the facts should be presented.
By:
winningthought
When: 25 May 20 14:41
In matters of life and death, I always opt for the 250 mile drive.
By:
Lee Ho Fooks
When: 25 May 20 14:44
Me too, time to move on if that's all that happened.
By:
Foinavon
When: 25 May 20 15:00
The Leftwaffe's orgasmic reaction to curtain twitchers is reminiscent of the Stasi. Is this really the sort of country we want to live in?
I would support the man's natural reactions rather than a flawed interpretation of a set of rules imposed on dodgy evidence, that should be repealed now.
Thank goodness the awful vindictive types on this forum are in a minority and their heroes are out of power for at least another four years, probably a lot longer.
By:
Lee Ho Fooks
When: 25 May 20 15:02
Hope there's no deflection at 4 o'clock but I won't hold my breath
By:
posy
When: 25 May 20 15:04
I am an unashamed Tory and today emailed my MP Michael Gove to admonish him for his lukewarm support of DC ; he should have either shut up or condemned him.  I suspect millions of Tory voters  had reservations about Boris's leadership and these doubts are now starting to crystallise ;he is looking like the most devious PM since Harold Wilson.
The danger is that Starmer has something of the Attlee about him and given time will mould the Labour party into a credible opposition potentially leaving Boris looking like a snake-oil salesman. Irrespective of him breaking any law Cummings has to go...and now.
By:
winningthought
When: 25 May 20 15:05
We live in a surveillance state and you are complaining about neighborhood watch?
By:
Lee Ho Fooks
When: 25 May 20 15:08
Stand by my first hopes that the Govt should make a decision based on ALL the facts
By:
moondan
When: 25 May 20 15:15
Brighurst, I always knew you had a touch of class.

I myself have had years of supporting  both parties.

I deserted labour in the last few years because of Corbyn but I will return because the last thing we need is the fat one spinning lies as

if it was the gospel.

Corbyn is a decent man and if he had dressed normally instead of a yesteryear hippy, I would have had more faith in him.

The fat one is just as bad and obviously no choice for a serious country and whatever his fate to day sooner or later he will slip up again, he is totally out of his depth.
By:
Foinavon
When: 25 May 20 15:16
Do you really think I don't have a view about the surveillance state? I tell you now, I won't be downloading the app if it comes to the mainland.
it's the curtain twitchers the left are foaming over at the moment which is why I mentioned them.
By:
salmon spray
When: 25 May 20 15:18
I'm sure Dom will answer all the questions and satisfy even we loony lefties that he did nothing wrong     Happy
By:
Angoose
When: 25 May 20 15:21
Andrew Bridgen
@ABridgen

Many have judged Dominic Cummings without hearing his side of the story. That will change this afternoon and will be unprecedented. It’s possible that people will be surprised.
By:
Foinavon
When: 25 May 20 15:21
I don't care if the loony lefties are satisfied or not, chances of the former are minuscule whatever he says.
By:
geordie1956
When: 25 May 20 15:28
These are real stories from the BBC  - this is why Dominic Cummings was wrong to do what he did ... those who defend him can surely see that these people abided by what they felt were the rules to follow despite the harrowing stories they have to tell ... they endured misery on behalf of all of us ... what they did can no doubt be offered by many others in circumstances much more acute than suffered by Mr Cummings ... it is why there should be no exceptions ...

Boris Johnson said his chief adviser, Dominic Cummings, "followed the instincts of every father and every parent" when he drove his wife and child to Country Durham during lockdown, rather than isolating at his London home.

But there has been anger from members of the public who did not travel to be closer to their families amidst the crisis.

Kathryn de Prudhoe, from Leeds, said both her and her husband had coronavirus in the first two weeks of lockdown.

But despite having to take care of their two children - aged five and eight-years-old - and her step-father falling ill, they stayed at home and "followed the guidelines".
She told the BBC that her mother was "left on her own" when her stepfather went into hospital, leaving her isolating alone for 14 days.

And when she went to drop shopping at her mother's door, Kathryn discovered her stepfather had taken a turn for the worse.

"We had to stay three metres apart when she got the news that life support was being turned off," she said.

"I sat on a camping chair three metres apart from her. I didn't hug her. We knew that was the right thing to do and we did what we had to do to keep ourselves and others safe."

When Kathryn's stepfather was laid to rest, only five people were allowed to attend the funeral.

"To now see what Dominic Cummings did, to make a completely new set of rules for himself when we have sacrificed so much, it's completely disrespectful," she said.

"To see somebody who's made the rules flouting them so blatantly is really insulting to families like mine."
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Alison Gee, from Guilford, has two grandchildren who she has not been able to see - or help - in the lockdown.

"My children have all had symptoms and are trying to work from home, with one child of 16 months and another of nine months," she said.

"But I have not, as their grandmother, been allowed to help them out by looking after their grandchildren
Alison said the situation with Mr Cummings was "ridiculous", adding: "The rest of the country has been staying away from relatives, even when fully fit or recovered from Covid-19 as advised, with grandparents not seeing their children or grandchildren - not even newborns.

"Yet this man who advises the government to implement these rules decided to travel with his family, who have symptoms."

Alison said had she known it was "justifiable and reasonable" to do so, she would have travelled the five miles to look after her grandchildren when their parents were ill.

"That would have saved our family an enormous amount of anguish and heartbreak," she said. "[It is] yet another ludicrous situation this government has brought about."
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Tony Bryson from Ayr said he was "livid" about the actions of Mr Cummings after he missed a family funeral due to the lockdown.

His uncle, Ryan Storrie, died 10 days after first showing symptoms of coronavirus.

"I couldn't go to my uncle's funeral because only a certain number of people could go," said Tony.

"He was only 40. There would have been a lot of people there

"Missing the funeral is something I'll regret for a long time. It's got an emotional cost."
Tony said Mr Cummings' trip was "such a clear breach of the guidelines".

He added: "There have been all these stories about people being stopped driving to places and this guy's driven further than any of them.

"He gets away with it because he's part of the government."

He also worried it would "put the whole situation at risk", saying: "If the guidelines don't apply to him, why should they apply to anyone else?"
By:
winningthought
When: 25 May 20 15:34
Foinavon    Joined: 11 Oct 00
Replies: 12104 25 May 20 14:16 
Do you really think I don't have a view about the surveillance state? I tell you now, I won't be downloading the app if it comes to the mainland.
it's the curtain twitchers the left are foaming over at the moment which is why I mentioned them.


The Tories have rolled out unprecedented state surveillance in the last 10 years and retroactively changed the law to protect themselves and the 'security' services.
By:
posy
When: 25 May 20 15:38
This is his problem.The majority of sensible Tory voters know it matters little whether or not DC broke the law the fact is he interpreted it differently from the majority of the population thus giving the perception of one rule for him and another for everyone else. He’s lost his authority and will forever be remembered as a charlatan .Once the advisor becomes the story he’s a busted flush and has to go.
By:
Foinavon
When: 25 May 20 15:40
The security services have had unprecedented powers of surveillance since the second world war.
This has improved to such an extent with the electronics revolution that no one can duck under the radar should their attention be drawn towards you.
By:
winningthought
When: 25 May 20 15:49
Fair enough Foinavon. But to change the law retroactively to pardon the politicians and security services for braking the law for illegal surveillance was done by the Tories.
By:
Foinavon
When: 25 May 20 15:56
I can't condone that winning thought.
By:
brigust1
When: 25 May 20 18:13
Geordie they abided by the rules, just as I do, because they don't want to catch Covid or spread Covid to their families. You must understand that?

If you think people are stupid enough to throw caution to the wind knowing how deadly this virus is then good luck to them because they are stupid. You cannot legislate for stupid people.
By:
brigust1
When: 25 May 20 18:49
^^ complete tosh. Nothing to see here, move along.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 25 May 20 18:51
I have to humble myself and accept that Cummings' message will be determined by the Daily Mail trend of opinion.

Despise both, so would be great to see them fighting.
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