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By:
edy
When: 13 May 20 19:22
but yeah, as tobermory said it's meant to be Obama being the big puppeteer behind Flynn's arrest and the entire Russia thing.

Maybe someone has told Trump that too by now. Or he googled it after he didn't know during the press conferenceHappy
By:
Shab
When: 13 May 20 21:18
Trump has been going on about this for 3 years. So have I, in fact.

I learned to listen to Trump and not to laugh. He talks a lot of sense and tells you lots. You won't agree, but that's your loss.

Obamagate: Basically the transcripts released yesterday show that the whole Russia thing was a complete lie. All the Democrats who said he was definitely guilty and there is proof, proof, proof, when under oath behind closed doors admitted there is no evidence at all to back them up.

It was all a sham.

General Flynn was stitched up and the FBI did it knowing what they were doing was illegal. There is proof of this.

Why? Because they were caught listening in to the Trump campaign. The FISA warrants, the Steele document - all a sham to create the narrative to get a FISA warrant so they could eavesdrop on Trump.

They will all be going to jail.
By:
flushgordon1
When: 13 May 20 21:36
Den Sumpf trocken legen!
By:
edy
When: 13 May 20 21:46
ok
By:
aaronh
When: 14 May 20 15:26
OBAMAGATE
By:
nofx
When: 15 May 20 12:28
solved it! Obamagate refers to way back in the day when Barack criticised Donald for being a disaster when it comes to pandemics. really it's secret code for 'Obama-Gates' (aka the deep gate) and only a warmup to Gatesgate that will be the real doozy
By:
politicspunter
When: 15 May 20 12:30
Ah, thanks nofx, that explains it.
By:
nofx
When: 15 May 20 12:32
It'd be easier if they just spell these things out for us. You always gotta read between the lines with those guys
By:
flushgordon1
When: 15 May 20 15:54
muy estúpido.
By:
tony57
When: 15 May 20 20:36
shab,
     please book yourself into a hospital..OBAMAGATELaugh, let me explain what you are asking people to believe..flynn spoke on the phone to russian ambassador after obama banned 36 russian spies for hacking the election...flynn tells russian ,don't react to expulsions when we get in we will sort it, what he didnt know was the NSA were listening they were tracking kislyak,flynn asked could they speak in the russian embassy so usa spys wouldnt hear? (a traitor if there was one) sally yates a obama holdover went to the WH and said flynn is in contact with the russians and could be blackmailed by them..they also found out he was being paid by turkey to get trump to let turkey abduct a turkish national who turkey wanted but  has americas protection..he also had dinner with putin..so ..I ask if your the usa NSA you wouldn't be doing your job after finding out what flynn was up too if you didnt flag him up to trump and the VP..flynn lied about his conversation with the russians...to the fbi..remember comey got fired? trump asked would he let flynn go? comey wouldnt..trump fired him...the reason trump fired flynn was HE HAD TOO..it was bad and it looked it...so this man who is innocent? gives evidence to mueller and admits he was working for turkey (he never told trump) he pleads guilty in court? the judge asks him twice are you sure are you guilty ..flynn replies yes sir..im ashamed of what  done..the judge then asked mueller's team why was this man not charged with treason? muller had done a deal with flynn he told all about the russians and what others in trumps team had done they were shocked the judge wasn't happy...while this is going on..trump gets a new AG BARR..he turns the justice dept into trump's own legal dept..attacks the mueller investigation..reduces trumps other friend roger stone sentence..tries to get flynn off..and also lets paul manafort out of prison ..while michael cohen stays in....

vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/barr-drops-flynn-charges-doj-backlash-justice-officials

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/15/trump-justice-department-william-barr

slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/barr-department-of-justice-dismiss-michael-flynn-charges.html

news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/flynn-judge-holds-off-on-ruling-on-u-s-dismissal-bid

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mueller-report-redacted-william-barr-trump-release-a9380431.html


Trump is waging an all out war on truth and reality.  It is fundamental to his re-election strategy. Obamagate is a lie. Nothing more. Nothing less. When news organizations try and explicate the lie as opposed to eviscerating it they become instruments in a cynical manipulation 1
By:
tony57
When: 15 May 20 20:36
pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-74-former-biden-staffers-think-about-tara-reades-allegations
By:
Shab
When: 16 May 20 00:00
tony,

Flynn speaking to the Russians as an incoming administration is entirely normal. Every administration do it. What they talked about was entirely normal - because guess what - a new administration has different priorities.

Just because they have different priorities does not make that a crime.

If what Flynn did was so obviously a crime, why did the FBI have to use dirty tricks to frame him? Why did they agree to close his file, then re-open it because Strck and Comey told them to?

Why did they fail to use agreed procedures for interviewing a WH official?

Why did nobody tell Flynn he was under investigation?

Why were they asking him about the phone call, and what he said on it, if it wasn't a trap (they already had the call on tape)?

Why did they have to threaten to prosecute his son (who was also innocent) after bankrupting Flynn into a guilty plea?

Why is absolutely no lawyer in the USA defending the FBI and saying that they would win a case against Flynn with the current knowledge?

Face facts - they stitched him up. They even wrote notes on how they were going to stitch him up!

But Flynn is just a sideshow to the rest of the issues - the Russia hoax and the reason for the hoax, which was getting access to Trump's campaign.

They got caught. I said 3 years ago that they are after Trump because they have to get to him before he gets the them. That explains the impeachment joke, and all the other accusations. They are simply trying to delay the investigation.

We will see about this over the coming months. The only sad thing is that any illegality will be brushed under the carpet.
By:
Shab
When: 16 May 20 01:13
For those wondering what Obamagate is all about, this sums it up

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1261437743277711360?s=20
By:
thegiggilo
When: 16 May 20 01:22
Lol..
By:
dave1357
When: 16 May 20 09:14
Shab entirely ignores that it was the Russian Ambassador that was being wire-tapped not Flynn.  Entirely ignores that if Flynn didn't think he had done anything wrong, why did he lie to Pence etc far less the FBI?

And the judge in Flynn's case knows he's guilty and that Barr is crooked and seems determined to find a way to move to sentencing - in effect saying that trump will have to pardon Flynn if he wants to interfere in justice.

And back on topic - a lengthy article on Tara Reade

‘Manipulative, deceitful, user’: Tara Reade left a trail of aggrieved acquaintances
A number of those who crossed paths with Biden’s accuser say they remember two things: She spoke favorably about her time working for Biden, and she left them feeling duped.


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771
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By:
flushgordon1
When: 16 May 20 09:35
The establishment closes rank ,you silleee count.
By:
dave1357
When: 16 May 20 09:38
"establishment" in this case meaning anyone that isn't a total loon
By:
edy
When: 16 May 20 13:06
Establishment is simply the people flushy doesn't like. These differ from the the corrupt, cronyist, nepotist dudes he does like because they own the libs in his perception.
By:
edy
When: 16 May 20 13:07
'cuz ownin' 'dem libs is all 'dat matters.
By:
flushgordon1
When: 16 May 20 15:10
The Big Whang theory?
By:
Shab
When: 18 May 20 00:32

May 16, 2020 -- 3:14AM, dave1357 wrote:


Shab entirely ignores that it was the Russian Ambassador that was being wire-tapped not Flynn.  Entirely ignores that if Flynn didn't think he had done anything wrong, why did he lie to Pence etc far less the FBI?And the judge in Flynn's case knows he's guilty and that Barr is crooked and seems determined to find a way to move to sentencing - in effect saying that trump will have to pardon Flynn if he wants to interfere in justice.And back on topic - a lengthy article on Tara Reade‘Manipulative, deceitful, user’: Tara Reade left a trail of aggrieved acquaintancesA number of those who crossed paths with Biden’s accuser say they remember two things: She spoke favorably about her time working for Biden, and she left them feeling duped.https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771.


Dave - Flynn cannot be guilty. He was not committing a crime when the FBI interviewed him and was not advised he was under investigation.

Lying to a colleague is not a crime. Lying to the FBI is not a crime if you are not under caution.

Barr simply applied the law.

Now do the FBI. I'll wait.

By:
dave1357
When: 18 May 20 11:10
ha ha none of his lawyers have made that argument but Shab of the betfair forum knows better than them.  He voluntary agreed to interview and lied - that is a crime.
By:
Shab
When: 18 May 20 22:08
No, it isn't.

Read Barr's reasons for dropping the case. There was no illegal act to lie about.

Read the fking decision!
By:
edy
When: 18 May 20 22:29
Quite stupid of him to lie about an act that wasn't illegal.

#OnlyTheBest
By:
edy
When: 18 May 20 22:34
Barr should hurry up with locking Hilary up either way. It's been years.
By:
edy
When: 18 May 20 22:34
and obviously Obama with her.
By:
politicspunter
When: 18 May 20 22:36
Don't forget Michelle and the kids.
By:
edy
When: 18 May 20 22:38
No, not the kids!
By:
politicspunter
When: 18 May 20 22:44
Fraid so. Their name is Obama so they must be guilty.
By:
edy
When: 18 May 20 23:05
plea deals are a thing in the USA. Let's hope Barack strikes a deal with Barr to allow the kids to avoid jail time.
By:
flushgordon1
When: 18 May 20 23:28
Creepy Joes creepy defenders are even more creepy than a creepy Thom Yorke ditty.
By:
cryoftruth
When: 19 May 20 06:49

The Electoral College is important for ensuring that the entire U.S. matters during
elections

It would appear to be important as a way of making it possible for the loser of a popular election to be declared the winner, a way of overruling the will of the people.
The entire U.S voted and decided. They rejected the odious tax dodging multiple bankrupt bozo, perhaps because he boasted about abusing his fame and power to grab young women’s nether regions. The people of the USA rejected Trump by a few million votes and yet they and the rest if the world have been Infected by his disgusting bigotry and incompetence ever since.
By:
cryoftruth
When: 19 May 20 06:59
From the Atlantic, a sample collection of this years Trump lies.

Its hard to keep up with them all obviously.

Why do people defend him? Are they pleased to see such a blatant liar humiliating and embarrassing America so openly in front of the whole world?
When: Friday, February 7, and Wednesday, February 19
The claim: The coronavirus would weaken “when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.”
The truth: It’s too early to tell if the virus’s spread will be dampened by warmer conditions. Respiratory viruses can be seasonal, but the World Health Organization says that the new coronavirus “can be transmitted in ALL AREAS, including areas with hot and humid weather.”

When: Thursday, February 27
The claim: The outbreak would be temporary: “It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.”
The truth: Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, warned days later that he was concerned that “as the next week or two or three go by, we’re going to see a lot more community-related cases.”


When: Multiple times
The claim: If the economic shutdown continues, deaths by suicide “definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about” for COVID-19 deaths.
The truth: The White House now estimates that anywhere from 100,000 to 240,000 Americans could die from COVID-19. Other estimates have placed the number at 1.1 million to 1.2 million. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, suicide is one of the leading causes of death in the United States. But the number of people who died by suicide in 2017, for example, was roughly 47,000, nowhere near the COVID-19 estimates. Estimates of the mental-health toll of the Great Recession are mixed. A 2014 study tied more than 10,000 suicides in Europe and North America to the financial crisis. But a larger analysis in 2017 found that while the rate of suicide was increasing in the United States, the increase could not be directly tied to the recession and was attributable to broader socioeconomic conditions predating the

Date: Monday, May 11, and Tuesday, May 12
The claim: “Coronavirus numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere,” and cases are “coming way down.”
The truth: Coronavirus cases are either increasing or plateauing in the majority of American states. Increases in state-level testing do account for some of the increase in cases, and on average, the country’s positive-test rate is lower than it was in March and April. But those numbers obscure the situation in eight states where cases are increasing.
By:
razz
When: 19 May 20 11:43
goddam trump and his goddamned optimism!!!! boooo!!! Laugh
By:
razz
When: 19 May 20 11:44
"he's being optimistic and positive, he can't do that!! boo that orange man he bad"
By:
Shab
When: 19 May 20 14:48
cryoftruth says Trump "lied" when he gives an opinion.

Surely it is cryoftruth who is lying there?

The first opinion he gave was that warm weather might be beneficial. The virus appears to be receding. It is getting warmer.

Proof that when these clowns said Trump lied, most of the time it is the 'virtues of truth' who are lying.
By:
politicspunter
When: 19 May 20 14:59

May 19, 2020 -- 8:48AM, Shab wrote:


cryoftruth says Trump "lied" when he gives an opinion.Surely it is cryoftruth who is lying there?The first opinion he gave was that warm weather might be beneficial. The virus appears to be receding. It is getting warmer.Proof that when these clowns said Trump lied, most of the time it is the 'virtues of truth' who are lying.


That's not proof of anything.

By:
flushgordon1
When: 19 May 20 18:20
It's as accurate as the polls you place such importance upon.
Steptoe.
By:
flushgordon1
When: 22 May 20 19:38
Johnny noes Creepy Joe has now broken the race card.
By:
flushgordon1
When: 22 May 20 19:43
And creepy Cuomo has sh!t in the nest.

Around 4,300 recovering Covid-19 patients in New York were sent to already vulnerable nursing homes, according to an AP News investigation.

The decision to move patients out of hospitals in order to free up beds for the newly infected was eventually reversed, and is one of several decisions made by the New York government to come under fire in recent days.

“The state has failed to protect the lives of the most vulnerable members of our community,” Democratic State Assemblyman Ron Kim told the Wall Street Journal last week.

“The fact we maintained and pushed Covid-positive patients into facilities that were not equipped to handle them, it was a fatal error.”

On Friday, Governor Andrew Cuomo said there were 109 deaths recorded in the previous 24 hours, up from 105 on Thursday.
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