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Kelly
07 Feb 20 01:26
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Currently in the Clyde , water hosted .

So where in England or Wales would you shift it too ?  ( Northern Ireland would not be an option for obvious reasons ) .

How many anchorages would be "safe" , and how welcome would the move prove ?

In the event of independence continuance would be a big chip in any future negotiations .  Most Scots might be quite glad to export their nuclear capability as well as their electricity .

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By:
akabula
When: 07 Feb 20 20:34
The current site was chosen because of the water depth there and in the approaches.
Taking it away from Scotland will result in 1200 job losses, destroy local businesses and increase the debt problem.
Any suitable place in England will welcome it with open arms given the joba available and what it would do for their local businesses.
Typical short sightedness by those opposed to it being in Scotland.
By:
themover
When: 07 Feb 20 20:44
HMNP Devonport, but would take 10 years to build it.
By:
cryoftruth
When: 08 Feb 20 03:14
The little Englanders might be less in favour of their WMD if they were stuck on the Thames rather than the Clyde.
By:
lfc1971
When: 08 Feb 20 07:17
If Scotland doesn’t want it and is not prepared to pay their share towards it why should England ?
Get rid of it under those circumstances .
By:
Angoose
When: 08 Feb 20 10:37
Nicola Sturgeon would launch the missiles on Independence Day, make Guy Fawkes celebrations a thing of the past.
By:
Foinavon
When: 08 Feb 20 12:01
Wouldn't be surprised if Putin's military has plans to sweep through the Baltic region and invade Britain through Scotland thus partially encircling Northern Europe. The plans will look even better once an "independent" (EU vassal state) Scotland has sent the nuclear missiles down south. He could then install his own.
By:
telepathic
When: 08 Feb 20 12:24
Akabullshit…. your at it again spouting nonsense with no knowledge of the actual facts. At this current time the Gairloch is the only facility in the British Isles which can house Polaris, and as pointed out in an earlier post Devenport might be adapted but only in time and at huge cost.The actual no of jobs involved in the maintenance of the subs is 500 app. The facility would be used by the Scottish Government as a naval base for Scottish naval vessels. Thus protecting the local  ancillary workforce  about 1000 app  and surrounding business.

Before you go into print " KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE SUBJECT YOUR RAMBLING ABOUT"
By:
telepathic
When: 08 Feb 20 12:30
Foinavon nice to know that we will change from a colony to a vassal state on independence.

Trumps plans might include adding Engerland as a STATE to his Union.
By:
lfc1971
When: 08 Feb 20 13:40
Why should England worry about Putin when our real enemies are in Scotland ?
Scotland will be defenceless. If they are too much trouble as an independent country England will attack from the South

Boris needs a war to be as great as Churchill !
By:
akabula
When: 08 Feb 20 17:28
Other sites will already be under consideration should Scotland become independent.
The Scottish navy. Is that the Waverley, Maid of the Loch and Para Handy? Laugh
Nippy said shed ban Nuclear weapons from Scotland but she also says Scotland will remain in NATO which has a Nuclear capacity. NIMBY.
By:
akabula
When: 08 Feb 20 17:31
Trumps plans might include adding Engerland as a STATE to his Union. says Tele.

Not too sure about that but one thing is certain If Scotland does get independence it will end up in a terrible state. Grin
By:
akabula
When: 08 Feb 20 17:34
A Scottish Navy Coastal Protection Vessel in action.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 08 Feb 20 19:31
Good question, Kelly, but the wrong question.

The question is: Why are the UK committed to a £200 billion purchase of a nuclear deterrent that will be nullified by a mobile app before it leaves the slipway?

US/UK trade deal much?
By:
Foinavon
When: 08 Feb 20 20:23
Milford Haven has one of the deepest natural harbours in the world, would be ideal if the Scots don't want the subs, subject to bribing the Welsh assembly to accept them of course. (whoops, that should be "encouraging" the Welsh Assembly...)
By:
Foinavon
When: 08 Feb 20 20:29
Might not be so bad if we became the 51st state, Airstrip 1 and all that. If we hadn't lost the American war of Independence we would already be the 51st state as it would have been logical to transfer the seat of government to Washington or Boston as the economic balance changed during the 20th Century. We might have avoided two disastrous world wars too.
By:
pa lapsy
When: 08 Feb 20 20:30
That is staggering UB if true,(not doubting you btw)
What an awful lot of money,in the present day and age personally think there is zero need for nuclear arms and the odds miniscule in the future,some cost for what can only be described as a very probably never needed deterent.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 08 Feb 20 20:33
Thanks for the masterclass, foinavon.

Puerto Rico on Thames.

Sweet.
By:
Foinavon
When: 08 Feb 20 22:40
I like to be in America!
O.K. by me in America!
Everything free in America
For a small fee in America!
I like the city of San Juan.
I know a boat you can get on.
Hundreds of flowers in full bloom.
Hundreds of people in each room!
By:
Foinavon
When: 08 Feb 20 22:50
You could replace San Juan with London and it would still be true, although the flowers would be in vases in the markets rather than in the streets.
By:
edy
When: 09 Feb 20 10:01

Feb 8, 2020 -- 2:29PM, Foinavon wrote:


Might not be so bad if we became the 51st state, Airstrip 1 and all that. If we hadn't lost the American war of Independence we would already be the 51st state as it would have been logical to transfer the seat of government to Washington or Boston as the economic balance changed during the 20th Century. We might have avoided two disastrous world wars too.


Better than being a super important state within the EU?

By:
Foinavon
When: 09 Feb 20 12:19
Bien sur, mon brave, we would continue to be a super important cash cow in the EU ruled by the Franco-Teutonic hegemony over the Brussels Politburo. Egalite, liberte et Fraternite is better served in the US confederation.
By:
telepathic
When: 09 Feb 20 12:30
Akabullshit - you really are a politically ignorant specimen on this forum. Norway, Ireland, Iceland and Denmark all maintain their own naval defence forces along with many other countries of the same size.
What makes Scotland so unique that it cannot fulfill this essential role. Unlike the  British naval force" Which when Russian Subs were sighted of the N of Scotland Coast last year took a day to send a surface vessel from the S of England to investigate. This is what you call defence under the British Government.
They have more Admirals than ships.

" does get" substitute "will get"Wink
By:
edy
When: 09 Feb 20 12:39

Feb 9, 2020 -- 6:19AM, Foinavon wrote:


Bien sur, mon brave, we would continue to be a super important cash cow in the EU ruled by the Franco-Teutonic hegemony over the Brussels Politburo. Egalite, liberte et Fraternite is better served in the US confederation.


news flash: The confederates lost the US civil war. Because of that, you British people would have to pay income tax and corporate tax to the FEDERAL government of the United States! At rates much, much higher than the contributions made to the european confederation of states.

You'd also be conscripted and constantly be sent to wars by some president sitting on an entirely different continent.

By:
edy
When: 09 Feb 20 12:43
Ok, the latter is de-facto happening now too because you're already Washington's little bishes.
By:
lfc1971
When: 09 Feb 20 12:56
England and Russia are natural allies , we are merely returning home
By:
Foinavon
When: 09 Feb 20 13:06
Perhaps you should check what the Politburo has in mind for the EU, listen to some of Verhofstadt's speeches.
Never mind, you will find out soon enough. Are you looking forward to all those extra taxes you will have to pay?
By:
edy
When: 09 Feb 20 13:11
Perhaps you should check out "The Lisbon Treaty (Cambridge Studies in European Law and Policy)" by Jean-Claude Piris instead of some MEP who isn't even leader of his parliamentary group, which is only the 3rd biggest in the parliament.Happy
By:
Foinavon
When: 09 Feb 20 13:17
It's no longer my concern, edy we have left but please continue with your studies.
By:
edy
When: 09 Feb 20 13:27
It will be your concern in the next referendum: "Should the UK become Airstrip 1 or rejoin the EU?"
By:
edy
When: 09 Feb 20 13:28
Better prepare and study on the pros and cons with an open and clear mind.
By:
Foinavon
When: 09 Feb 20 13:53
Although as you may have gathered, I have certain affinities with la belle France, my mind is already made up. We ARE airstrip 1 and have been ever since that nice Mr Hitler set his heart on World conquest.
By:
edy
When: 09 Feb 20 15:06
Don't let moisok hear that.
By:
akabula
When: 09 Feb 20 17:05
The Scottish navy. Is that the Waverley, Maid of the Loch and Para Handy?

So I was right then Tele. Happy
By:
telepathic
When: 09 Feb 20 20:57
Akabullshit - once again you have shown your inability to read absorb and assimilate. Your standard answer is one of just showing your total ignorance of the subject in hand.

In Greyhound Racing parlance YOU ARE AN EMPTY BOX.
By:
moisok
When: 09 Feb 20 22:49
foinavon is vichy - we have had our eye on him for some time

he eats too much french cheese!!

blessed are the cheesemakers!!

rubber boats across the channel

and much post Eu rubber boat profiteering

Aubrey to the fore yo ho ho!!   splice the mainbrace and pass another cabin .....
By:
Foinavon
When: 10 Feb 20 15:56
Only Red Leicester and Double Gloucester these days Mo, too much Camembert from you.
Bring back Nelson's wooden wall and park them in the channel loaded up with grape. None shall pass.
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Feb 20 16:27
When young Nicola was a bonnie lass she was left standing alone on her wedding day at Gretna Green, by her English boyfriend

This is why she hates England so badly
By:
Kelly
When: 11 Feb 20 01:10
If someone loves their own country , it does not mean that they hate any other .  Maybe that is alien to some of our contributors , but there does seem to be that theme running through their posts .

So castigating someone as anti English just because they are Scottish , Welsh , or Irish is a self generated concept .

The United Kingdom is a political entity comprising England , Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland .  That does not mean that nationality is forbidden .  Each of the 4 nationalities involved have individual characteristics , and I have never heard ANY person from ANY of those 4 describe themselves as a "United Kingdomer".

National identity is often a  stronger force than political affiliation at the heels of the hunt .
By:
thegiggilo
When: 11 Feb 20 02:01
https://twitter.com/Scotpol1314/status/1226916286099312641

Love
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