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pa lapsy
03 Feb 20 10:59
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for a wide ranging free trade agreement.

Good news, it seems as if the "nasty"EU are being reasonable.
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Report pa lapsy February 3, 2020 5:28 PM GMT
Grin I will go to hell but your whole country deserves to be driving around in suzuki swifts.
Report InsiderTrader February 3, 2020 5:34 PM GMT
pa lapsy
03 Feb 20 17:11
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Early days Insider, artical 132 of WA in around June re an extension is a big date, how can there be doom and gloom when you are still in the EU albeit with no say?

^

No chance of an extension.

The nation has given Boris a massive majority on the agreement this is wrapped up by the end of the year.

By Jan 2021 we will have Trump starting his second term and Britain will be booming.
Report edy February 3, 2020 5:44 PM GMT
That's the nasty doomsters & gloomsters told.
Report pa lapsy February 3, 2020 5:45 PM GMT
Won't it make more sense to have left it(transitional period) open rather than backing yourself in a corner?

Juvenile politics playing really imo.
Report edy February 3, 2020 5:47 PM GMT
Depends who you think holds the card. Some of these people still think the UK holds all the cards on all fronts and that the "threat" of no-deal is a winning play for the UK.
Report edy February 3, 2020 5:48 PM GMT
Not Boris, mind. He just blusters around to cheer up the parrots. He knows it's a losing play.
Report InsiderTrader February 3, 2020 5:55 PM GMT
pa lapsy
03 Feb 20 17:45
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Won't it make more sense to have left it(transitional period) open rather than backing yourself in a corner?

Juvenile politics playing really imo.


^

Leave the implementation period/transition period open ended and we will never leave.

Why would EU do a deal when they make the rules and take our money as it is? That is why the NI backstop was skillfully removed by Boris.

No, the only way to show the EU we mean business is to stand united and set deadlines. It is the only language the clipboarders understand.
Report edy February 3, 2020 5:57 PM GMT
Nothing wrong with preparing and having clipboards instead of freestyling your way through negotiations like has been UK tactic throughout.
Report lfc1971 February 3, 2020 5:59 PM GMT
You can’t beat Japanese technology pa lapsy Happy

I have a fourteen year old Yaris , no problems
Report edy February 3, 2020 6:00 PM GMT
That's what people used to say about British technology and goods before Thatcher came and destroyed the country.
Report Wallflower February 3, 2020 6:02 PM GMT
InsiderTrader 03 Feb 20 17:55 
pa lapsy
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Won't it make more sense to have left it(transitional period) open rather than backing yourself in a corner?

Juvenile politics playing really imo.


^

Leave the implementation period/transition period open ended and we will never leave.

Why would EU do a deal when they make the rules and take our money as it is? That is why the NI backstop was skillfully removed by Boris.

No, the only way to show the EU we mean business is to stand united and set deadlines. It is the only language the clipboarders understand.

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WTF !!!  NI ONLY backstop - was re-instated by Johnson.Shocked. Do the facts any more? or you haven't heard?
Report Wallflower February 3, 2020 6:03 PM GMT
*facts matter any more?*
Report 1st time poster February 3, 2020 6:04 PM GMT
skilfully removed LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
could have been removed the day after reff vote, only thing thsat stopped it was mrs may,doris,every brexiteer,every mp in the commons agreed no uk prime minster could ever sigh up to this
in the search for popularity such things don't bother doris
Report Wallflower February 3, 2020 6:05 PM GMT
.... further,  he didn't re-instate NI backstop.  He just gave in and conceded that what was totally acceptable when T.May did it. Apologies if you are unaware and may come as a shock.
Report lfc1971 February 3, 2020 6:06 PM GMT
edy if things do go wrong we can always rejoin

Germany won’t stop us they will welcome us back ,  so will everyone else
Report 1st time poster February 3, 2020 6:08 PM GMT
the only thing doris has avoided is dying in a ditch, unfotunately
Report edy February 3, 2020 6:08 PM GMT
Back when Boris said that any sort of different standards and regulation would be unacceptable, that it would be an annexation, IT also called it an annexation (backstop details hadn't been worked out at the time. The annexation talk was purely about NI being regulatorily aligned with the RoI) - see my post at 4:42 PM GMT

When Boris agreed to have NI annexed (by his own former definition), Boris became The Man for his disciples, and of course for himself. Greatest PM of all time that solved the unsolveable.

Funny ol' world, innit?
Report Wallflower February 3, 2020 6:08 PM GMT
.... yes, correct lfc, even Scotland will welcome England backCool
Report edy February 3, 2020 6:09 PM GMT
How funny would it actually be if

Scotlains gains independence
Scotland joins the EU
England/Wales wishes to re-join in a few decades
Scotland says "Nah! We'll use our veto on that, not sorry."
Report lfc1971 February 3, 2020 6:10 PM GMT
Yes , but what about Ireland , they may veto us , they’re like that ! Laugh
Report pa lapsy February 3, 2020 6:10 PM GMT
^ lol Wallflower.Think Leo would welcome you with open arms as well LFC.
Report lfc1971 February 3, 2020 6:13 PM GMT
What a fiasco
Report lfc1971 February 3, 2020 6:14 PM GMT
Oh dear can you imagine Happy
Report InsiderTrader February 3, 2020 6:22 PM GMT
Wallflower
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.... further,  he didn't re-instate NI backstop.  He just gave in and conceded that what was totally acceptable when T.May did it. Apologies if you are unaware and may come as a shock.

^

There is no NI backstop.

The backstop before Boris took over meant that we could never leave the  EU alignment area unless the EU lets us.

The deal Boris skillfully got means that the UK and NI can leave alignment no problem. When the NI parliament want out they can get out and there is nothing the clipboarders can do about it.
Report lfc1971 February 3, 2020 6:23 PM GMT
Well we can’t part on bad terms between ourselves or our countries

any sensitive person would agree
Report peckerdunne February 3, 2020 6:30 PM GMT
Boris still blustering and bluffing with more bullshitt that will go nowhere only downhill, down down down.Get those little urchins readied with chimney sweep.

Robust economy he says.Well that bubble will soon be smashed apart.A gradual slide, each quarter worse than the other.

Dynamic economy he says.Must be an urban myth

Team 27 are on to you this time,no benefit of doubt, no veering from the regulations, no room for Boris......TICK TOCK TICK TOCK
Report InsiderTrader February 3, 2020 6:32 PM GMT
Boris awesome speech today in favour of free trade against China, USA and the EU protectionists..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsNwfEw-ywA&app=desktop
Report peckerdunne February 3, 2020 6:34 PM GMT
Inside Trader operating in some parallel universe, oh look at the booming north,what a recovery....................Grin
Report Dr Crippen February 3, 2020 6:38 PM GMT
Yes IT,
It's like a breath of fresh air listening to a politician talking the UK up.

Some on here are straining so hard to will the UK down, they're in danger of giving themselves a nose bleed.

I won't mention any names on this occasion.
Report edy February 3, 2020 6:40 PM GMT

Feb 3, 2020 -- 12:32PM, InsiderTrader wrote:


Boris awesome speech today in favour of free trade against China, USA and the EU protectionists..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsNwfEw-ywA&app=desktop


So who is he going to strike deals with with most others of note being protectionist?

Report themover February 3, 2020 6:40 PM GMT
The EU has said any deal will not apply to Gibraltar due to objections from Spain....good start to proceedings Laugh
Report InsiderTrader February 3, 2020 6:47 PM GMT
You have to ask yourself who did the doomsters vote for in the election?

Did they help Boris to his majority or did they back the socialists? Given they are so scared about the economy it seems inconceivable they would have sided with Corbyn.
Report 1st time poster February 3, 2020 6:50 PM GMT
mrs mays backstop fell away when a trade deal was agreed
doris and his erg fruitcakes and loons never wanted and don't want a deal so they new it wouldn't fall away
hence today 48 hrs after doris promised there,d be no more talk of Brexit ,there all out preening talking about Brexit,doris,raab,ids.truzz,proposing an ozz no deal outcome
before xmas every brexiteer,doris ,erg were saying just vote for this its only the divorce deal the real deal hard work is in the next stage,cue today the very same doris,raab,erg all out telling the world weve got a deal no need for anything else LaughLaughLaughLaugh,
all the likes of insider,lfc etc on here who darnt,dont question anything as long as they think it suits their agenda
remember when the fruitcakes and loons refused point blank to call this year a transition deal it was an implementation deal ,till they found out they had nothing to implement and now its a transistion period, LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh,
rule number one in life to the fruitcakes and loons to be a good liar you need a good memory LaughLaugh
Report InsiderTrader February 3, 2020 7:00 PM GMT
^

Another one with no understanding of how the EU and remainer May set this up.

Of course there is nothing to implement because the EU refused to discuss a trade deal with us until after we had left.

They set an agenda that remainer May signed up to in the hope to keep us in the EU (or at least aligned to it).

Remember they wanted Our money, to dictate to us about Ireland and discuss citizens rights before any trade. We then leave and then we discuss trade. Remainer May did that.

So there was never going to be anything to implement until after we had left.
Report edy February 3, 2020 7:04 PM GMT
Simple geopolitical reality did that.
Report edy February 3, 2020 7:07 PM GMT
Had Boris been PM from the start it would've all been a lot less complicated because he wouldn't have had to deal with any power-hungry backstabbers that sabotage him. Unlike May he could've and would've just conceded on everything, selling it as a triumph later.
Report edy February 3, 2020 7:09 PM GMT
and the parrots on this forum would've gone "Boris! Hip hip hooray! Greatest PM ever!", just like they do with Boris' Great Betrayal.
Report InsiderTrader February 3, 2020 7:11 PM GMT
It is interesting to see the German contingent getting more and more angry as Boris drives the UK into a stronger and stronger position.

Who would want to be a German tax payer now? Paying more into propping up the EU, soon not being able to compete with the UK in global markets and having to compete fairly in the UK market against global competition.
Report edy February 3, 2020 7:12 PM GMT
Which German contingent is getting more and more angry?
Report edy February 3, 2020 7:16 PM GMT
soon not being able to compete with the UK in global markets

Are there even any serious British-owned companies left besides Dyson? Serious question. The car brands mostly seem to be owned by Germans and Indians. ARM owned by the Japanese.
Report 1st time poster February 3, 2020 7:19 PM GMT
one might be a bit more confident if in this brave new world dom raab could name the person doing the negotiating on behalf of the UK,hard to believe and literally frightening if there,s someone more forgettable and useless than steve Barclay in this government LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report themover February 3, 2020 7:40 PM GMT
Also good to have a Barclaycard for emergencies.
Report pa lapsy February 3, 2020 8:42 PM GMT
Dr Crippen 18.28 "it is like a breathe of fresh air listening to a politician talking the UK up.

It is and so they should,however it is "Boris"

Fair play to your loyalty,you are a lot more loyal than his brother Jo.
Report sageform February 4, 2020 12:45 PM GMT
I am not a big fan of Boris but without him we would still be in a state of paralysis in Westminster and in business. Most MPs couldn't decide what to have for lunch never mind sort out the country.
Report edy February 4, 2020 12:53 PM GMT
Without Boris, the ERG and DUP manipulating Brexit for their own power games, it would've happened back in March.
Report edy February 4, 2020 12:54 PM GMT
*sabotaging, not manipulating
Report 1st time poster February 4, 2020 1:19 PM GMT
I still don't get it and brexiteers still cant give an answer but we,ll try again
2 of the worlds biggest ,maturist countries usa and uk already do 55 billions worth of trade between them,when you take out agri foods,nhs,uk services ,red lines to both sides,
what sectors are left when you price in an atlantic crossing that can triple our current trade as don and doris predict

granted doris opened the door for usa agri foods yesterday,but even then with an atlantic crossing,backlash to usa food processes,and campaigns against buying usa agri foods in this country what usa companies would risk attempting to get into the uk market, how can they compete on price with the current low prices in the uk
there,s 1000 of tonnes a meat destroyed,unsold,unending supply of any price,any quality ,where,s the gap in the market for usa traders ,just cant fathom it myself
Report edy February 4, 2020 1:23 PM GMT
how can they compete on price with the current low prices in the uk

They have lower standards in production, environmental protection. Shipping costs near to nothing. If the UK market is opened wide to US agricultural goods, the UK farmers will have to lower their standards as well if they wish to compete on price. More hormones, more monoculture, less environmentally somewhat friendly agriculture.
Report 1st time poster February 4, 2020 1:31 PM GMT
yes but as you say uk farmers have spent fortunes on reaching high standards,there,ll be big campaigns by farmers,red tractor etc etc and backlash against American products,which companies ,governments would get involved in all that 1st food scare and that would be that,
about the only thing people in this country don't moan about is price,choice and amount of food available
Report 1st time poster February 4, 2020 1:33 PM GMT
unless they were giving it away why would the uk public buy it,wheres the market ConfusedConfused
Report edy February 4, 2020 1:38 PM GMT
I'm with you on the multiplied trade being total bull. What do you expect from Trump? He just pulls numbers out of his buttocks on a regular basis. He's perfected the "I am lying, you know I am lying, I know that you know, but I couldn't care less" philosophy that Boris Johnson is an eager student of too.

If the UK wants a broader trade deal with the US, the US will demand agricultural access, along with allowing the US pharmaceutical industry to destroy the NHS. They barely made concessions towards the EU, including the UK. They won't make a lot of concessions to the UK alone. We'll see if Boris is willing to sell the UK down the river. Happy
Report InsiderTrader February 4, 2020 1:42 PM GMT
It would be interesting to see where the consumers go.

For instance most are happy to buy cheap clothes from China and elsewhere that may have less standards.

Also willing to buy Iphones and so on.

There is also not much of fuss about having to eat halal meat. We all just get on with it.

At the same time you have the vegan movement against all types of meat/dairy farming. I would expect them to be strong against food imports from Australia and USA (but they would not buy them anyway).

Personally I do not think twice about eating out when in America.
Report 1st time poster February 4, 2020 1:50 PM GMT
isn't it more to do with the treatment of bojo,s beloved animals in the food chain not the quality of the food,
as for I phones its only the iconic name that people will pay for,lower priced Samsung,chinese models now catching up
as for chaep clothes there,s currentluy a big push against cheap fashion, young people climate change and all that
Report InsiderTrader February 4, 2020 1:56 PM GMT
'as for chaep clothes there,s currentluy a big push against cheap fashion, young people climate change and all that'

They still all buy the cheap clothes though when it suits. Same with Iphones. All the vegans I know have one. There is a lot of contradictions between what people preach and what they actually do.
Report sageform February 4, 2020 1:57 PM GMT
We are approaching an almighty cultural clash when those who believe that global growth is "essential" have to confront climate change, local production, less travel, less new clothes, less packaging etc. There has to be a big drop in GDP everywhere to meet targets.
Report dave1357 February 4, 2020 1:59 PM GMT
The vast mojority of the low quality US food will go to the food processing industry, so the source will be hidden in small print on packaging. (btw a lot of the food already used is low quality so this is not a particular did at US food.)
Report 1st time poster February 4, 2020 2:00 PM GMT
doris was deffo flying one of his kites yesterday to see what publics reaction was regards usa agri foods been part of a trade deal,and people were either asleep,wernt bothered or didn't understand his we,ll be led by science to mumbo jumbo comment
Report moondan February 4, 2020 3:31 PM GMT
Boris and his circle of clowns believe their own lies, fortunately very little of the bluster will actually come to pass.

A couple of years will see them found out. I just hope the victims are the right people.
Report themover February 4, 2020 3:45 PM GMT
Remoaners desperately wanting the UK to fail because the vote didn't go their way. Even saw someone saying Brexit Strikes Again at the news of an Ikea shop closing in Coventry Crazy
Report flushgordon1 February 4, 2020 5:21 PM GMT
Irish Govt admits it would need EMERGENCY AID from EU after No Deal Brexit:

“You’re looking at hundreds of millions here. Between the beef industry and the fishing industry we’re talking mega-money.”

Michael Creed, Irish Agriculture Minister
January 2019




Stick yer deal.
Report edy February 4, 2020 5:34 PM GMT
Gosh flush! January 2019! Why didn't you tell Boris about this before he handed billions and NI to the EU, along with tying the UK in all kinds of other knots with the WA and PD? Cry
Report edy February 4, 2020 5:36 PM GMT
Kind of cute that the originating twitter account has rehashed this same thing 5 times now btw.
Report lfc1971 February 4, 2020 5:38 PM GMT
Tariffs on all Irish produce please...the same for Scotland if it tries any nonsense
Report themover February 4, 2020 6:00 PM GMT
Cool
Report Wallflower February 4, 2020 6:08 PM GMT
lfc1971 04 Feb 20 17:38 
Tariffs on all Irish produce please...the same for Scotland if it tries any nonsense

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You can't actually do that without putting same tariff on all EU.Cry.  That's how it works - even that old spoofer Jacob Rees-Mogg didn't understand this VERY BASIC fact when he threatened the Irish beef industry. I was over there at the time - the Irish were laughing, thought it was a great idea. So go ahead. Won't go into details - but if you followed to its conclusion the irish beef industry would have been enhanced as UK would no longer be a competitor in the biggest local market for them both. Rees-Mogg dropped itHappy

Try and remember the things I've taught you over the last couple of years - he helps me to feel my time is not totally wasted.
Report lfc1971 February 4, 2020 6:12 PM GMT
Wallflower , don't push your luck, there is no rule that says the UK has to be tariff free
Report Wallflower February 4, 2020 6:19 PM GMT
lfc, you are diverting, on purpose.


...  I know  UK doesn't have to be tariff free !  But just bear in mind - you can't put a tariff explicitly on Ireland,  France,  Germany, Spain  etc.  So these posts (current and past) about putting tariffs on irish beef, german cars, french wine etc are nonsense.
Report lfc1971 February 4, 2020 6:32 PM GMT
Not true, the UK can put the tariffs on the uk customer for any given product from Ireland for example, or Scotland

so it is then an internal matter. Neither Ireland or Scotland would pay the tariff, that's how .
Report lfc1971 February 4, 2020 6:34 PM GMT
Its an internal tax if you like rather than a tariff
Report lfc1971 February 4, 2020 6:38 PM GMT
How does that sound?
Report Wallflower February 4, 2020 6:40 PM GMT
... good luck with thatGrinGrin.

Just give it up, treat it as continual learning from the ever-patient Wallflower
Report lfc1971 February 4, 2020 6:42 PM GMT
Just saying wallflower, that's a little lesson in lateral thinking Grin
Report Wallflower February 4, 2020 6:43 PM GMT
... wishful thinking more likeHappy
Report peckerdunne February 4, 2020 7:14 PM GMT
I hope those tariffs are applied LFC....

See what happens next.........
Report lfc1971 February 5, 2020 4:23 PM GMT
Pecker we have more patrol boats to stop EU countries fishing in British waters
Thank goodness we have a government that is putting Britain first !

If needs be we will send in the Royal Navy , if a few French trawlers are lost so be it .
Report pa lapsy February 5, 2020 4:29 PM GMT
The Frenchies have ye by les ballez Lfc, you can catch your mackerel and herring goodo but tis your x channel friends that process it.

THe Royal Navy can patrol the channel to stop the dingies going to the continent.
Report lfc1971 February 5, 2020 4:33 PM GMT
We don’t mind dingies leaving pl , we will not sink them
Just the French if they don’t behave
Report impossible123 February 5, 2020 4:41 PM GMT
Let's hope UK Plc regains some of the respect lost during their stint in The EU. I cannot believe idiots like Mr Tusk and Mr Juncker had dictated to us during their time in office given their lack of experience of leading a large and economically successful country given Poland and Luxembourg as their respective native country.
Report pa lapsy February 5, 2020 4:46 PM GMT
Shocking the UK couldn't get a half decent deal given they are such "idiots"
Report mrtopnotch February 5, 2020 4:49 PM GMT
If the UK is going to do trade deals with the three biggest economies in the world - USA / China / EU  - who holds the cards ?

The three superpowers off course. Just look at it logically and no need to get all hyper patriotic - it's an economic fact , that the superpowers USA etc. will dictate to smaller countries.
Report mrtopnotch February 5, 2020 4:53 PM GMT
Guernsey already tried the fishing tactic (call it fishing war) on Brexit it day , banning all french boats in Guernsey.
Unfortunately Guernsey got a bit of a shock when they took there fish stocks for processing to factories in France.
Fish war ended in a couple of days - lesson learned.
Report InsiderTrader February 5, 2020 5:06 PM GMT
mrtopnotch
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Guernsey already tried the fishing tactic (call it fishing war) on Brexit it day , banning all french boats in Guernsey.
Unfortunately Guernsey got a bit of a shock when they took there fish stocks for processing to factories in France.
Fish war ended in a couple of days - lesson learned.

^

That is not what happened at all.

Guernsey was never part of the EU and the agreement they had with France expired when we left the EU. It was to do with licencing French boats and that licencing will still happen. Nothing to do with processing fish in France being stopped.

Why make stuff up in an attempt to talk up our EU friends and partners and talk down those not in the EU?
Report 1st time poster February 5, 2020 5:54 PM GMT
all this extra fish these uk fishermen can now catch who,s going to buy it,they already sell 80% of their catch to the EU, or they could flood the uk market with it[ although most people only want cod] , and send the prices tumbling so fishermenb either goe out of business or work twice as hard to stand still, but if a few 100 fishermen sacrifice themselves on the altar of brexiteers union jack underpants so be it
so far brexiteers want uk customers to ignore red tractor uk meats and buy usa meat to get a trade deal
and buy expensive fish they dont like preparing,cooking or eating so brexiteers can put 2 fingers up to eu fishermen
Report edy February 5, 2020 6:01 PM GMT
The fishing thing was always a bit of a red herring. Local fishermen could've always had plenty of fish. That 96 to 98 per cent of the British quota was given to foreign trawlers and 4-5 rich British families is entirely a domestic decision.

The EU even has guidelines that sustainable, more environmentally friendly fishing should be rewarded, that more of the quota should go to those. Greenpeace took the UK government to court because they refused to give more of the British quota to local fishermen. Couldn't make it up really.
Report impossible123 February 6, 2020 10:30 AM GMT
I was watching the programme about fishing in Cornwall. Apparently the French and the Spanish are allowed to fish 10x and 5x more respectively off The UK waters than the fishermen in Cornwall. How absurd is that? The locals are allowed a much smaller quota just because the French and Spanish were members of The EU cartel before The UK.

I believe if a country wants something we have, and we have something to sell I'm confident a sensible approach will emerge, and a deal will be struck. Personally, I wish more fish is available in The UK, and cheaper prices too; fish is definitely better nutritionally and more healthy than some red or processed meat.

I also believe countries in the Far East eg Japan, China, Hong Kong, Australia, New Zealand - probably our new trading partners - etc, are prolific consumers of fish and marine products. The EU is not the only market; it's closer (yes), but there are other markets too.

Remember The EU sells more to us than us to them. And, if The EU chooses to cut-off their nose to spike their face sobeit - two can play the same game too. It's not the monopoly of The EU.
Report 1st time poster February 6, 2020 12:40 PM GMT
here we go again FFS OFF fooooking course 27 countries sell more to us than 1 country sells to them but as a % of our trade we sell far more to them up to 6 times more
Report lfc1971 February 6, 2020 1:26 PM GMT
If it’s of little importance to the EU then they won’t mind tariffs , good let’s see
Report impossible123 February 6, 2020 2:25 PM GMT
A losing 'Remoron' is still aggrieved his team lost; denial to the end whenever that may be.

Stats can be interpreted to suit; only one UK and 27 EU countries. So which is more important to them, £size of sale to The EU or %tage of export? At the end of the day trading is nearly all about revenue not %tage of a country's export.

If The UK only sells automobile (if only) to The EU then yes The EU can hold us to ransom. But, The UK is not just a one-trick pony.
Report 1st time poster February 6, 2020 6:00 PM GMT
well lets try and make it easy, would you rather have 27 different countries trying together to find new markets for 6/8% of their goods or one country alone trying to find markets for 50% of their goods
Report impossible123 February 6, 2020 7:28 PM GMT
It'd depend on what and how important and necessary the products are. Also selling to a single market (buyer's power) will undoubtedly mean a lower price for the seller eg a product supplier to just one supermarket. A diversification in markets and products a more assure and successful way forward. It's a big world out there meaning more opportunities and less reliance on a single (cartel) market.

Now we can buy electrical goods from the Far East, clothing from America, etc, and butter from New Zealand much cheaper. I believe trade is a two-way thing with (probable) swings and roundabouts. But, just to be away from the bureaucratic EU and countries that rely majorly on EU funding and of little economic significance and poor EU leadership (European Army) are a price worth paying.
Report Wallflower February 7, 2020 1:45 PM GMT
" Now we can buy electrical goods from the Far East, clothing from America, etc, and butter from New Zealand much cheaper. "

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Are you really sure about that? And if so, tell me why?

But before you respond - if a country imports / exports it basically operates either of twos sets of rules.

(1)  Those of the existing trade agreement between two parties
(2)  WTO Rules

Now if (2) then it buys/sells at the tariff schedule it submits to WTO. It cannot trade preferentially (without a specific trade deal). Its like the base default applicable across the board.  These of course tend to be higher than specific bilateral trade agreements.

(hence why UK recoiled from original statement of complete "free" trade - Canada said if that's the case we don't need a trade deal with you - thank you very much indeedLaugh. showing yet again our ineptitude on these matters at a government level (though we are good at a diplomatic/civil service level).

Now this is where it gets tricky - you are better off with  your own specific trade deals because that's how you really control your trade (WTO is actually constraining - which seemed to go over the head of the ERG).

But the three big boys (EU, USA, China) usually have clauses whereby a country must

(1) in the main follow many of their rules (you need standardisation to ease and expand trade - when rules not agreed then those sectors tend to be excluded from the trade deal)

(2) you cant offer better terms to competitors or if so then they must be applied to them also

There is an element of bullying with this but that's the way it works and the reasons why they take so long to work out.

So, one of many examples (60 of them) - the EU-Japan trade deal is the biggest in the world - we will NOT get better terms with them, same with South Korea and so and so on with many other countries.

So the idea of "cheaper" imports is extremely unlikely to follow- the opposite in fact in many many cases.

Open to how it might be the case?
Report edy February 7, 2020 2:09 PM GMT

Feb 3, 2020 -- 11:02AM, InsiderTrader wrote:


It is like some people actually want us to fail in taking back our freedom.Stockholm syndrome stuff.


When will the UK leave NATO? It severely restricts the UK's sovereignty. Makes you spend money that could be used on other British priorities, as well as go to wars that shouldn't really be the UK's business, among a few other things.

Report impossible123 February 7, 2020 3:43 PM GMT
'Wallflower', for someone not clued up as to why the sickman of Europe (as you referred to The UK) was later transformed into the 2nd most successful economic country in The EU you do try a lot of fishing and misinfoing here. As such I'll let you fish on your own, and not waste time and space facilitating your objective.

I've faith in UK Plc!
Report edy February 7, 2020 3:49 PM GMT
So the idea of "cheaper" imports is extremely unlikely to follow- the opposite in fact in many many cases.

Open to how it might be the case?


Just forego trade deals, slash tariffs on everything, finally complete the Thatherite Revolution and go all-in on services and innovation. Scrap agriculture and (normal) manufacturing.
Report edy February 7, 2020 3:50 PM GMT
*Thatcherite
Report edy February 7, 2020 3:52 PM GMT
(but I don't think Boris will go that way)
Report Wallflower February 7, 2020 5:20 PM GMT
impossible123 07 Feb 20 15:43 
'Wallflower', for someone not clued up as to why the sickman of Europe (as you referred to The UK) was later transformed into the 2nd most successful economic country in The EU you do try a lot of fishing and misinfoing here. As such I'll let you fish on your own, and not waste time and space facilitating your objective.

I've faith in UK Plc!
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"sick man of Europe" is not my reference - it was the widely used reference to the UK in the 70s as it fell far behind the rest of Wetern Europe economically. UK was desperate to get into EU ( common market as it was) - de Gaulle blocked it and it was only after his death we were allowed in.

Name any misinformation?  I explained why I don't believe that generally UK will have cheaper goods, I'm not sure but I explained my reasoning why I didnt think so. I asked you to explain why you thought otherwise, and said I was open to another point of view ? No answer - except an accusation of fishing.

Ok to have faith and I'm told we all just to have to believe - but sometimes to see a plan or some hear rational thinking which is joined-up would be nice for a change.
Report themover February 7, 2020 5:42 PM GMT

Feb 7, 2020 -- 8:09AM, edy wrote:


Feb  3, 2020 --  5:02PM, InsiderTrader wrote:It is like some people actually want us to fail in taking back our freedom.Stockholm syndrome stuff.When will the UK leave NATO? It severely restricts the UK's sovereignty. Makes you spend money that could be used on other British priorities, as well as go to wars that shouldn't really be the UK's business, among a few other things.


Which wars has NATO got the UK into "wars that shouldn't really be the UK's business"?

NATA has become less relevant since the fall of the Soviet Union. The UK is generally more involved in areas usually outside of NATO's remit.

Report themover February 7, 2020 5:43 PM GMT
*NATO
Report edy February 7, 2020 6:04 PM GMT
Afghanistan directly, a whole bunch of others indirectly.
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