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29 Jan 20 23:15
Date Joined: 13 Dec 11
| Topic/replies: 3,792 | Blogger: Burt06's blog
Will surely be the most gigantic waste of money any British government has ever made.

Worst thing is China could build it in 3 months for about £25 million.

A bonfire on H&S BS is required.
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Report sageform January 30, 2020 8:35 AM GMT
Agreed it seems a waste of money. How many people will want to take the trains when the HS2 finally opens in 10-15 years time?. And the capital cost is just the start. No rail line is viable without huge public subsidy and this one will be no different.
Report Angoose January 30, 2020 12:51 PM GMT
This is what happens when you have had decades of under investment in basic infrastructure, the first phase of the catch up scares the natives.
Report moondan January 30, 2020 3:43 PM GMT
Another fine mess is brewing but its alright the conservatives lead the world in muddling through.
Report lfc1971 January 30, 2020 4:46 PM GMT
Wish they would scrap it. don't think we need hs trains we are a fairly small country.
Report Manoleeds January 30, 2020 5:03 PM GMT
Better to spend the money on fast trains from Hull/Scarborough to Leeds/Manchester/Manchester Airport/Liverpool.
A few minutes off the already fast Leeds/London Manchester/London etc. So what?
Report dave1357 January 30, 2020 5:37 PM GMT
A bonfire on H&S BS is required.

This is what Burt06 and his ilk want to return to

In the 1840s there was no compensation for death or injury, and railway engineers like Brunel resisted all efforts to provide their workers with adequate housing and sanitation, or safe working conditions.

The Woodhead Tunnel scandal was sparked by the fact that the death rate among the navvies who built the tunnel (between 1839 and 1852) was higher than that of the soldiers who fought at the battle of Waterloo.

The scandal led to a parliamentary enquiry, but its findings were not acted upon for years.

Although railway work created a sense of pride and identity, hardship and danger were common. Even after the Woodhead Tunnel scandal, railway companies sometimes operated with a ruthlessness that cost the lives of thousands of workers, who were being killed at the rate of nearly 500 a year in the 1880s and 1890s.
Report politicspunter January 30, 2020 6:04 PM GMT
Here is the wikipedia section on workers killed on the construction of the Forth Railway Bridge. I was watching this on the telly last week.

At its peak, approximately 4,600 workers were employed in the bridge's construction. Wilhelm Westhofen recorded in 1890 that 57 lives were lost. In 2005 the Forth Bridge Memorial Committee was set up to erect a monument to those lost, and a team of local historians set out to name all those who died. As of 2009, 73 deaths have been connected with the construction of the bridge and its immediate aftermath. It is thought that the figure of 57 deaths excluded those who died working on the approaches to the bridge, as those parts were completed by a subcontractor, as well as those who died after the Sick and Accident Club stopped. Of the 73 recorded deaths, 38 were as a result of falling, 9 of being crushed, 9 drowned, 8 struck by a falling object, 3 died in a fire in a bothy, 1 of caisson disease, and the cause of five deaths is unknown.

The Sick and Accident Club was founded in the summer of 1883, and membership was compulsory for all contractors' employees. It would provide medical treatment to men and sometimes their families, and pay them if they were unable to work. The Club also paid for funerals within certain limits, and would provide grants to the widows of men killed or the wives of those permanently disabled. Eight men were saved from drowning by rowing boats positioned in the river under the working areas.
Report 1st time poster January 30, 2020 7:33 PM GMT
we aint got much better because a 3 month refurb 2 years ago had more recorded accidents than any project in Europe,full of migrant labour of course
Report sageform January 31, 2020 10:47 AM GMT
Just think how much money this represents. £100 billion. If it costs £200,000 to build a starter home, the Government could build 500, 000 of them, sell them to first time buyers for £100,000 and that would cost just £50 billion. I don't know how much it costs to build a new hospital (not much in China but that is different) so lets guess at £50 million so 20 more would cost one billion. Pus HS2 into perspective doesn't it.
Report Angoose January 31, 2020 1:36 PM GMT
And you can buy thousands and thousands of smarties for £100 billion …...
Report politicspunter January 31, 2020 1:45 PM GMT
When is Boris going to announce these 40 new hospitals? Golden opportunity today to use the £350 million side of a bus promise plus scrap HS2.
Report sageform January 31, 2020 6:41 PM GMT
I'm sure it will be in the budget but they can't give out all of the sweeties on day 1. All of those paying National Insurance will be £104 better off from April. I am retired so I don't pay any but my children do.
Report eric_morris January 31, 2020 6:55 PM GMT
Best money ever spent by a government. Takes the emphasis away from London and will hugely spread wealth across the country.
Report moisok January 31, 2020 7:37 PM GMT
I bid you 150 billion end of figure
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