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InsiderTrader
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Children will be taught about injustice and the role of the British Empire as part of the national curriculum under Labour, the party says.

At the launch of his race and faith manifesto on Tuesday, Jeremy Corbyn will say a new trust will educate on how to address the legacy of slavery.

At a launch event in Tottenham, north London, Mr Corbyn - with shadow women and equalities secretary Dawn Butler and shadow home secretary Diane Abbott - will launch the race and faith manifesto with pledges to improve social justice and human rights.

They will say that an "emancipation educational trust" would also be formed "to ensure historical injustice, colonialism and role of the British empire is taught in the national curriculum" if Labour wins the 12 December election.

The trust would educate on migration and how to address the legacy of slavery and teach how it "interrupted a rich and powerful black history".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50551765
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Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 11:14 AM GMT
The EU are not 27 seperate countries , they cannot be when they have open borders , free trade , freedom of movement , a parliament.  Aa court , single currency etc etc
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 11:18 AM GMT
I’m afraid when you teach about slavery in a classroom of young children and some are white and some are black and some Asian
And some are British and some are not British etc
Then it becomes something else , it’s a dangerous thing to do in some ways
There are young white children sitting there
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 11:20 AM GMT
What purpose does it serve ?
I don’t know
Report Injera November 26, 2019 11:23 AM GMT
jolly - 'but your claim that they have said nothing is just wrong.'

Labour have made NO link between the EU's policy of free movement and slavery. They have made no mention of Africans enslaving Africans. They have not criticsed Merkel's call for people to cross (and die) in the Med.

They are uncritical of South Africa and Zim's 'land reforms' leading to starvation (of blacks) and murders of white farmers.

They have supported all who want to come to the UK no matter how they travel. They are (along with most parties) actively encouraging illegal and therefore highly dangerous trips where many die or are trapped in slavery.
Report alun2005 November 26, 2019 11:23 AM GMT
We need to get into them early what hatred can lead to.

I completely agree. These stories of racist hate below should be at the very top of the agenda for white British schoolgirls to be taught about, both at home and school. Or maybe while walking around cities full of fantastic buildings constructed by those awful white British men that the Labour Party hates so much.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_sex_abuse_ring

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_child_sex_abuse_ring

and umpteen others.
Report InsiderTrader November 26, 2019 11:24 AM GMT
PorcupineorPineapple
26 Nov 19 11:13
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IT - I think your concerns may be based on party political prejudice rather than fact. I've read the proposal and can't see any mention of them ignoring other bits and focusing on the negatives.

My argument would be to say that it's already happening so is hardly a massively new approach. No one seems to Browning at the Tories for primary school kids being taught about slavery and racism.

^

As long as it is balanced.

For instance if the teacher says Boris was wrong with his letter box comments they should say Corbyn was wrong to retweet that mural.

If the teacher says the far right is bad they must also teach that the far left is bad.

If the teacher says slavery was bad they must teach how it was happening globely at the time by all people of all races and Britain stopped it.
Report edy November 26, 2019 11:26 AM GMT
Merkel never made a call for people to cross (and die) in the Med. If you cared to actually look at what the German government did, if you cared to look at the timeline of events, at the number of arrivals in various parts on the continent already at various times, cared to look at the happenings and timelines in the Syria war...instead of stupendously and blindly believing the bullpoo told to you on twitter....you would know this.
Report jollyswagman November 26, 2019 11:27 AM GMT
you originally stated that they have said nothing which is plainly wrong so you are now moving the goalposts to say they havent mentioned slavery in the way you want them to mention slavery. you are obfuscating.
Report Injera November 26, 2019 11:29 AM GMT
edy - you will have heard of Schengen? No borders, no passports. Get to the EU and travel at will. It's a slave dealer's wet dream. And so is this....

The Green Party who are pro EU:

MG420 We will resist all attempts to introduce a 'barrier round Europe' shutting out non-Europeans or giving them more restricted rights of movement within Europe than European Nationals.

https://policy.greenparty.org.uk/mg.html

You'll know that the EU supports such a move given Merkel's actions...
Report edy November 26, 2019 11:34 AM GMT
Oh yes, of course. The US, Canada, Russia, UK&Ireland which combine 4 countries into a common travel area, China, Schengen area...all slave dealer's wet dream.

Did the UK Greens even get any MEPs?
Report edy November 26, 2019 11:36 AM GMT
In Germany, even before Schengen, people were able to travel from one state to the next without controls. Get into Germany once and then you were free to roam around. It was slave trader paradise, I'm tellin' ya.
Report Injera November 26, 2019 11:37 AM GMT
7 I think edy.
Report edy November 26, 2019 11:39 AM GMT
Are Crown Dependencies really countries? Even worse then.
Report edy November 26, 2019 11:41 AM GMT
I like to view crown dependencies more as entities solely existing to faciliate the genius web of money launder and financial intransparency the UK created for itself and its clients, rather than real countries.
Report Dr Crippen November 26, 2019 11:43 AM GMT
Then it becomes something else , it’s a dangerous thing to do in some ways
There are young white children sitting there



Absolutely, you're teaching dark skinned kids to hate white people at a very impressionable age.
And they're likely to take it out on white kids for a start, especially where they outnumber them.

This is the Labour party all over - everything they touch they either ruin or make toxic.
Report Injera November 26, 2019 11:43 AM GMT
Any critique of our past should be qualified. The UK is a very attractive place for people to live. We NEVER have a net negative migration figure.

People from around the world either want to visit ot live here. Some will even row from smelly France to get here.

We must have done and are doing, a lot of good things.....
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 11:46 AM GMT
I think its fair to say the British were never as bad as the Romans, or Ottomans, or Mongols,
certainly not as bad as the nazis !
Report Injera November 26, 2019 11:50 AM GMT
Peace.

Pax Brittanica. We came to lands where warfare had been the way of life for millennia, India and Africa. And we stopped it. We made the world into the most peaceful place it had ever been, far more peaceful than it is today.


    Rule of Law.

Most places we arrived had no rule of law. Might was right. We put in the British legal system which gave the vast majority of people far more human rights than they had ever had before.




    Trade.

The left spout that Empire was exploitative and merely extracted the wealth of other nations. This is a lie. Empire was all about trade, creating markets for British goods around the world whilst creating markets for global goods in Britain. And huge trade between all the different parts of Empire. This massively advanced the economy of the whole world.


    Infrastructure.

We established and maintained the world’s shipping routes, road systems everywhere we went, and railways including the world’s biggest system, in India. Our plumbing was famous and on the Mediterranean islands we ran, Cyprus, Malta, Rhodes, Corfu, Menorca etc it is safe to drink the tap water!


    Education.

In many nations we brought literacy for the first time and created widespread educational reform. When we found intellectual superstars we often brought them back to Britain to receive the world’s best education. Look up Srinivasa Ramanujan.


    The English language.

The world’s language upon which so much of man’s development has been built. English is the language of trade, the language of science, the language of entertainment.


    A middle class.

Not only businessmen and traders, Empire created a global middle class of doctors, dentists, lawyers, journalists and all the other professions necessary for an advanced civilisation.


    Technology.

The industrial revolution happened in Britain, we invented and developed most of the technology that makes the modern world possible. And we exported much of this out to the Empire. From printing presses to steel works. Tata Iron and Steel Company (TISCO) was established by Dorabji Tata, India in 1907.

    Sport.

The world’s sports, from soccer, through golf to tennis are the British sports. Empire achieved this.

    Slavery.

The British led the world in trying to get rid of this. The Slave Trade Act of 1807 made the slave trade illegal throughout the British Empire, the Slavery Abolition Act of 1833 made slavery totally illegal. Between 1808 and 1860, the Royal Navy’s West Africa Squadron seized approximately 1,600 slave ships and freed 150,000 Africans who were aboard.

When Empire ended it was often not replaced by liberal democracy, instead a venal, avaricious ruling class took over and treated whole countries as personal fiefdoms.

Very many countries went backwards and lots of people in the world would have preferred to have the Empire back.

So far from something to be ashamed of, the British Empire was one of mankind’s greatest ever achievements.
It created the modern world that we all live in and everyone owes it a huge debt for the huge advance in civilisation that it brought. The left are very wrong about this, just as they are wrong about most things.


https://www.bruceonpolitics.com/2016/03/29/british-empire-good-thing/
Report edy November 26, 2019 11:56 AM GMT

Nov 26, 2019 -- 5:50AM, Injera wrote:


Peace. Pax Brittanica. We came to lands where warfare had been the way of life for millennia, India and Africa. And we stopped it. We made the world into the most peaceful place it had ever been, far more peaceful than it is today.    Rule of Law. Most places we arrived had no rule of law. Might was right. We put in the British legal system which gave the vast majority of people far more human rights than they had ever had before.    Trade. The left spout that Empire was exploitative and merely extracted the wealth of other nations. This is a lie. Empire was all about trade, creating markets for British goods around the world whilst creating markets for global goods in Britain. And huge trade between all the different parts of Empire. This massively advanced the economy of the whole world.    Infrastructure. We established and maintained the world’s shipping routes, road systems everywhere we went, and railways including the world’s biggest system, in India. Our plumbing was famous and on the Mediterranean islands we ran, Cyprus, Malta, Rhodes, Corfu, Menorca etc it is safe to drink the tap water!    Education. In many nations we brought literacy for the first time and created widespread educational reform. When we found intellectual superstars we often brought them back to Britain to receive the world’s best education. Look up Srinivasa Ramanujan.    The English language. The world’s language upon which so much of man’s development has been built. English is the language of trade, the language of science, the language of entertainment.    A middle class. Not only businessmen and traders, Empire created a global middle class of doctors, dentists, lawyers, journalists and all the other professions necessary for an advanced civilisation.    Technology. The industrial revolution happened in Britain, we invented and developed most of the technology that makes the modern world possible. And we exported much of this out to the Empire. From printing presses to steel works. Tata Iron and Steel Company (TISCO) was established by Dorabji Tata, India in 1907.    Sport. The world’s sports, from soccer, through golf to tennis are the British sports. Empire achieved this.    Slavery. The British led the world in trying to get rid of this. The Slave Trade Act of 1807 made the slave trade illegal throughout the British Empire, the Slavery Abolition Act of 1833 made slavery totally illegal. Between 1808 and 1860, the Royal Navy’s West Africa Squadron seized approximately 1,600 slave ships and freed 150,000 Africans who were aboard.When Empire ended it was often not replaced by liberal democracy, instead a venal, avaricious ruling class took over and treated whole countries as personal fiefdoms. Very many countries went backwards and lots of people in the world would have preferred to have the Empire back. So far from something to be ashamed of, the British Empire was one of mankind’s greatest ever achievements. It created the modern world that we all live in and everyone owes it a huge debt for the huge advance in civilisation that it brought. The left are very wrong about this, just as they are wrong about most things.https://www.bruceonpolitics.com/2016/03/29/british-empire-good-thing/


https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4456636

Student discussion on that post

Report InsiderTrader November 26, 2019 12:45 PM GMT
event starting...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxJ8y4MJotI
Report InsiderTrader November 26, 2019 12:50 PM GMT
Here he is.
Report edy November 26, 2019 12:56 PM GMT
Telling people to register so they can use their right of democratic participation!
Report macarony November 26, 2019 12:57 PM GMT
Will they also be pointing out that the reason Black and asian people are now living here in Britain is a direct result of the empire?
Report edy November 26, 2019 12:59 PM GMT
People adoring every word from Corbyn. The hall is brimming with confidence and optimism for real change
Report edy November 26, 2019 1:01 PM GMT
Loud clapping and cheers all around.
Report impossible123 November 26, 2019 1:04 PM GMT
Name me a former colonial master that had only pillaged its host country of assets and monies? i'm afraid that was the "accepted" behaviour of a much stronger entity equipped with more guns and solders - that was the sign of the time. And, The UK is no different, but The UK have established Rules Of Law that are still practised presently.

I support The Labour Party (but not this election because of "chicken" Corbyn and McDonnell), but I'm beginning to feel "estranged" given a significant proportion of their prospective MPs come from mainly one community ie the Islamic community? And, also a lack of effort to deal with anti-Semitism.
Report InsiderTrader November 26, 2019 1:06 PM GMT
Focusing on just the 'far right'

Very divisive with no mention of rise of the far left.
Report edy November 26, 2019 1:07 PM GMT
damn him
Report InsiderTrader November 26, 2019 1:11 PM GMT
Now he is talking about helping the whole world now.

No mention of how he will tackle the far left people being investigated in his own party.
Report edy November 26, 2019 1:14 PM GMT
Damn him! So unbalanced.
Report InsiderTrader November 26, 2019 1:16 PM GMT
Totally bizarre stuff.

Trying be divisive from a party that is the first to be investigated for exactly the thing they are talking about the right doing.
Report macarony November 26, 2019 1:25 PM GMT
Will they also point out the fact that most slaves were bought from Muslim slave traders or that Britain ended Muslim rule of the Hindu population of India
Report impossible123 November 26, 2019 1:42 PM GMT
The Labour Party need to go back to its roots and who it represents. At present it does neither, and even some senior Labour MPs boycott it like the plague. It's so far left it could fall-off, and into the abyss soon.

I'd like to see less pandering to Politically Correctness (stop buying votes) and more reward for those at grass-roots levels and represent the ordinary people once more.
Report Platini November 26, 2019 4:50 PM GMT
What utter vermin they are. Their faux concern for BMEs is being used as a battering ram to attack Western culture from within.

Doesn't surprise me one bit that they're targeting the education system and children (a favourite human shield of theirs).

Slavery has no colour FFS, its about power and anyone with an ounce of history knowledge can debunk that poisonous nonsense.
Rather than changing the curriculum to include this BS, how about they un-censor a lot of the history books and lessons they've tried to hide for the last 20 years ??

Most students and school kids today have no idea about the atrocities committed by the Soviet Union, the Gulag, Chairman Mao, Pol Pot, etc. Crazy

and by comparison, does that mean that today's Russians, Chinese, etc are all guilty by generational-association, and should be paying reparations forever more ?   

DOES IT F***. Crazy
Report pa lapsy November 26, 2019 5:20 PM GMT
Will they teach about the millions in the Indian and Irish genocides that died that was due to British rule?

Not many are even aware. Should they be? Or should they just get the rose tinted specs view as in "bruceonpolitics" above.

Probably a median isn't any harm.
Report aaronh November 26, 2019 6:00 PM GMT
wonder if all the white nationalists seething in this thread will go back to caring about racism when it's to do with Jewish people
Report flushgordon1 November 26, 2019 6:10 PM GMT
Are you assuming my colour?
Report politicspunter November 26, 2019 6:20 PM GMT

Nov 26, 2019 -- 12:10PM, flushgordon1 wrote:


Are you assuming my colour?


The only non white folk in Ayrshire were the ones coming out the pit.

Report grappler November 26, 2019 6:43 PM GMT
the british unilaterally abolished slavery. nobody else thought it was a problem. not any africans, or arabs or indians or chinese or other europeans. they then sent royal navy ships to intercept slaveships and returned them to africa. it was called the preventive squadron. there was a bounty offered to every sailor who did his moral duty, and they were rewarded for efforts to end it. thousands died in this attempt to end the trade. the islamic slave trade, which long-preceded the atlantic version, carried on well into the 20th century.

people like livingston, gordon and many others devoted their lives to ending the slave trade, to the perplexity of locals who couldnt see the problem

there are millions of slaves now, in africa, the levant, and asia. nobody makes a fuss about it. and the british did not introduce polygyny, ancestor-worship, animism or fgm. large parts of the world are a mess because the natives have made them so, whether you like to admit it or not.

and india, btw, has been a steaming sh1thole for millenia. slaves bought and sold like cattle, maharajas with hundreds of concubines(sex slaves) who all had to die when their owner popped off. the evil brits tried to end the charming indian practice of burning women alive when the big man died. the hideous indian caste system has no parallel in europe. low-caste people really were vermin and still are in many places. similar examples apply to most other parts of the world. when the brits left india, the locals fell upon each other in an orgy of murder and rape. they are still at it, albeit on a much smaller scale.

d1ckheads on here will immediately dismiss all this as the ravings of an empire lover, and, as ever, they will be wrong. you must have a sense of historical perspective. what were these places like, before, during, and after british influence? nobody will doubt the veracity of what i said but instead i expect the reply from the numerous ignorant non-thinkers to be; the empire was evil, and thats it. if you dont accept this ahistorical narrative, you are faced with uncomfortable conclusions about the 'colonised' people. that will not do, so it must be the brits fault
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- November 26, 2019 6:48 PM GMT
the british could have shared knowledge without invading

there are lots of evil folk in the world, and its good we see them as such.

i aint responsible for the actions of those that came before me, but i am curious
to know about them, good bad or ugly.
Report pa lapsy November 26, 2019 6:50 PM GMT
No Grappler,can't dispute a lot of that,however Britains "riches" were also built on the graves of people and countries,that is indisputable.
Report InsiderTrader November 26, 2019 6:52 PM GMT
pa lapsy
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No Grappler,can't dispute a lot of that,however Britains "riches" were also built on the graves of people and countries,that is indisputable.

^

Explain.
Report pa lapsy November 26, 2019 7:07 PM GMT
The Irish had enough food to feed themselves at the time of the great hunger,however it was shipped to England who were struggling to feed their own population,well documented.
Bengal famine of 1770 is interesting reading,maybe 10 more famines in India until 1943 where Winston Churchill when informed of the suffering replied why isn't Gandi dead?
Report melv November 26, 2019 7:32 PM GMT
This is the most hilarious thread I have ever read. Some-one should turn it into a script for a radio comedy programme.

A bunch of white people split into 2 camps (a) we are evil swine versus (b) we are the greatest race that ever graced this planet (especially if we can call the yanks white folk).
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 7:46 PM GMT
A lot of anti British and anti white racism on this thread , disgraceful
And to think they want spread that into the classroom also into young minds , very dangerous  Sad
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 7:54 PM GMT
These are very difficult issues to address , especially so if you have a multi cultural society
Now I’m sorry , we cannot have young white chikdren in our schools being subject to this sort of relentless negative  campaign 
Or are we going to look at the atrocities committed by African and Asian countries also , also in the classroom
Now there is quite a long list of these if you care to look
Are they being taught in the classrooms of Britain , so as pupils from these countries and background know the history
Or is it only the white children who must sit and listen . ....
Report impossible123 November 26, 2019 7:55 PM GMT
This is why it's so important to learn about history, and not allow it to happen again esp the bad events eg holocaust, Amritsar massacre, etc.
Report grappler November 26, 2019 7:57 PM GMT
the brits didnt derive 'riches' from ireland. they didnt invade india. independent traders sailed east looking for adventure. from the start of the 18th century locals in india welcomed them,as the mughal rule was truly barbaric, slavery being just a part of it. this was not state-sponsored. individuals established trading post that grew as local people flocked to them. thus calcutta and many others. you never here of the brutal suppression of hinduism sikhism under the mughal(moslem) rulers. because of mughal resentment the east india company formed bands of soldiers to protect their interests from depredation by the nawabs, who terrified the populace. eventually, they sought sanctuary behind the walls built by the company. calcutta grew rapidly. this is not an example of invasion. now, there were many examples of what we now call racism and racist attitudes, but there was little coercion, as the compnay, as it became known, was a better prospect than arbitrary sequestration and slavery practised by the mughal rulers. 90% of company troops were indians, which tells you all you need to know. i could go on, but im boring meself.

judge everyone by the same standards, and with a sense of historical perspective and you might have a re-think about your ingrained bias.

ireland must be unusual in being an island that had almost no fishing heritage, unlike basques or scandis or scots or kernow or wales who ventured far into the west atlantic. why didnt the irish? why were the irish so dependent on potatoes?. the nasty brits didnt stop anyone from fishing in the numerous rivers, or deny access to the sea. still, blame the brits anyway.
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 7:57 PM GMT
It might be, I like history
But I don’t like young white British children having to bear the burden of being preached at
Not if they do t take a look at the countries and societies that their classmates come from
That is wrong , indeed a form of abuse
Report impossible123 November 26, 2019 7:58 PM GMT
It's one thing to live in glass houses, it's another to throw stones; some immigrants have stacks and stacks of double-standards which they conveniently adopt and approve to suit.
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 7:59 PM GMT
There was a famine in European countries at the same time as the Irish famine , not on the same scale perhaps but two or three , perhaps more countries suffered
Report pa lapsy November 26, 2019 8:06 PM GMT
Grappler in Ireland they were "landlords" they got the "riches" at they time from rents,also fleets of dairy and animals were sailing out of Irish harbours while people starved. Most of Irelsnd was woodland and that was almost totally deforested.

In India peasants were required to pay 10-15% of their harvest to the Murghals,in 1765 the treaty of Allahabad was signed with the East India Company then raising these "tributes/taxes" to 50%
Report pa lapsy November 26, 2019 8:09 PM GMT
That tribute under the Murghals was for in case the harvest was bad.
Report grappler November 26, 2019 8:22 PM GMT
melvyn is very good at avoiding the truth. he simply ignores it. i welcome a thorough dismantling of what i wrote. it wont happen. if he could, he would. instead of which we get asinine garbage. i

'impossible123 Joined: 07 Sep 15
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This is why it's so important to learn about history, and not allow it to happen again esp the bad events eg holocaust, Amritsar massacre, etc.'

but we dont. if youve ever seen the history syllabus you get none of it. i read with incredulity the history gcse that dealt with the collectivisation of soviet agriculture in 1921(im a wacky geezer). students were guided through the marxist-leninist principles that underpinned it. at no point did it address the fact that up to 5 million died as a direct result. nothing. nyet. we get plenty about nazis and colonialism but bugger-all else.

and fyi the amritsar massacre was perpetrated by gurkhas and indians on other indians, under the command of dwyer, a british officer. and in asian terms it is not in the top million. as a senior chinese politician said of peterloo; you call that a massacre?
Report grappler November 26, 2019 8:35 PM GMT
1 million indians joined the british army. not a republican army trying to get them out. and what now of india and its charming offshoot pakistan. a seething hotbed of repression and loathing. pakistan one of the greatest khazis of all. nothing multicultural about either.

i am not trying to understate the devastation of the famine, i have walked the famine road. but i do the ump with googlers who know nothing sticking up stuff out of context and with no understanding of history
Report pa lapsy November 26, 2019 8:55 PM GMT
Indeed, fishing me hole, Catholics were banned from owning land and education due to the Penal Laws,the majority of the population lived in abject poverty subsiding on tiny plots with any money going on rent to often absentee landlords.

Food was taken out of Ireland to feed Britain under armed guard,a shocking chapter of genocide.

Google it.
Report flushgordon1 November 26, 2019 9:16 PM GMT
Ye will have heard of the highland clearances.
Report grappler November 26, 2019 9:19 PM GMT
it was not genocide. you are still here. as am i. genocide is deliberate attempt to exterminate. not quite the same.
Report Platini November 26, 2019 9:26 PM GMT
Time to put the tin lid on the slavery p1sh.

- slavery was invented by humans

- humans go back thousands of years

- and slavery can be traced back to the earliest civilisations

- Pick one - Mesapotamia ? the Egyptians? (both around 3000 BC) how about Harappan (around 2500 BC).   Plenty of slavery going round there, plenty.

Now, can you guess what colour skin those people had  ?  The people in power, the slavemasters of the time,  what ethnicity were they ??


If you don't know, maybe you should try reading a book or something, educate yourself.
Report grappler November 26, 2019 9:27 PM GMT
i have, but was that not a form of civil war against the lower orders? my knowledge is sketchy, and i refuse to google anything, which might explain a few things. but you learn little by doing it. its a knee-jerk reaction and best avoided.
Report pa lapsy November 26, 2019 9:35 PM GMT
I didn't know about that Flush,it is a sad Scottish chapter.

Trevelyan tried it(genocide),he isn't a reflection on Britain per se,he had his hatred of Catholics and was racially against the Irish, however the British goverments handling of it was atrocious,maybe the wrong word(genocide) on my part.
Report moisok November 26, 2019 9:42 PM GMT
who stopped it

who patrolled the worlds oceans seizing slavers boats

how about the barbary pirates - anyone know who they are and what we did

just saying

remember the 'great' slave leader L'Ouverture  who led the revolt against the french?
He had to reinstate it to continue production and maintin independence from the french.  But that is another story.
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 9:44 PM GMT
There is nothing new in teaching these things in a history class, the good and the bad parts of the British empire.they have always been taught in schools, at least for many decades
I think the problem arises today because quite simply it is hard to trust those who are doing the teaching , and their motives
Report jucel69 November 26, 2019 9:50 PM GMT

Nov 26, 2019 -- 11:20AM, pa lapsy wrote:


Will they teach about the millions in the Indian and Irish genocides that died that was due to British rule?Not many are even aware. Should they be? Or should they just get the rose tinted specs view as in "bruceonpolitics" above.Probably a median isn't any harm.


Most of the Indians didn't die of starvation in Bengal , but of disease.

71% from malaria and 24% from smallpox

Report grappler November 26, 2019 9:51 PM GMT
^qed
Report jucel69 November 26, 2019 9:54 PM GMT
The concern is that it's easy to twist history !
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 9:55 PM GMT
Its like this, in England there are people from many countries, both pupils and teachers
Including from Ireland,well all over the world
Now this creates problems, as to what is being taught
Or it can do, its not straightforward for the parents of an English child
When those doing the teaching ...are not English
Report moisok November 26, 2019 9:55 PM GMT
Just read some of platini's contribution.  Also the mention Ireland.
Reminds me of the stories of the pirates hanging about the channel reaches and irland etc.
Quite a few WHITE slaves used by dare I say it - muslims - there I said it
hundreds of thousands - it was quite common around the Med too
very common.   But you dare to stand up in  a Labour meeting and say so.
Will we be getting an apology soon - and cash?
Report anxious November 26, 2019 9:59 PM GMT
Revisionism at its worst on here
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- November 26, 2019 10:01 PM GMT
lack of teaching anxious...
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 10:03 PM GMT
When you have a multicultural society, such as in England then there is a problem if you start to focus on the ills of one section of that community and make a point of doing so in the classroom, with young children.

Its a dangerous practice, in fact it is a form of racism and abuse under those circumstances

It wouldn't be permitted with any other section of the pupils in that class
Report anxious November 26, 2019 10:03 PM GMT
One thing i always remember No Irish , No Blacks  , No Dogs yeah even on the toilets of Manchester when i was a kid
Report Whisperingdeath November 26, 2019 10:05 PM GMT
remember the 'great' slave leader L'Ouverture  who led the revolt against the french?
He had to reinstate it to continue production and maintin independence from the french.  But that is another story.


Very interesting moisok. Where did you read about that? Can you give me a link please?
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 10:06 PM GMT
Is that so anxious, where did those millions of Irish live then when they came to England?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- November 26, 2019 10:06 PM GMT
we already teach some british history, and include slavery via romans and vikings

egyptians have already been mentioned up thread.

i was questioned on native central americans a few weeks ago so they must be taught
at school now.

just as long as the kids are taught that it is history, and things are not like that , in most part,
although more could be done.
Report anxious November 26, 2019 10:07 PM GMT
They worked like slaves and dogs most of them , including some of my family thank you
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 10:08 PM GMT
Its nothing new, these parts of British history were always taught, the good and the bad
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 10:09 PM GMT
anxious don't talk nonsense, they were no different from any other working class person in England
Report Injera November 26, 2019 10:10 PM GMT
Damn well said grappler.

Africa was a place of tribal savagery before Europeans went there. British missionaries would pack their belongings in coffins (yup you read that right).

They knew they would die. They would either be killed or die of disease.

William Carey was at the forefront of outlawing Suti - the burning alive of widows on their husband's funeral pyre in India. He started the first ever primary school. Girls were taught - an unthinkable development at the time.

Countless hideous practices were stopped by the British as they extended their influence around the world.
Report moisok November 26, 2019 10:12 PM GMT
go read the history of him and his revolution
he had to do it because they needed to fight of france and its influence power etc
it is common knowledge
he had to turn it around because the economy of the island was based on slavery
otherwise you couldn't turn a profit

then the french who he had admired did the dirty on him
the poor people of Haiti never seem to have recovered
Report anxious November 26, 2019 10:12 PM GMT
really lfc working as servants i dont think so , wake up lfc to your colonial empire
Report anxious November 26, 2019 10:15 PM GMT
The only consistent thread on here is the same as it is today , money , power and privilege nothing ever changes
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 10:16 PM GMT
its not my empire, I don't actually consider myself to be British, ive resigned
But as I say the working classes had a difficult time,English and Scots and Welsh and Irish but they had greater freedoms and at least a chance of work and a peaceful life in England , moreso than in any other country anywhere in the world

teach that and be thankful
Report moisok November 26, 2019 10:17 PM GMT
the revisionists on here want to avoid any mention of any other slavery other than the enslaving of blacks for the USA  and the west indies.
Just wondering - anyone mention the african leaders who allowed these black slaves to be sold to white slavers?  Or black slavers come to that.

muslim enslavement was rife throughout the centuries  - all links in with war and conquest - but be honest
if you were in power, why wouldn't you.  A source of labour and profit.  Or prophet even.
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 10:21 PM GMT
I suppose the future ungrateful brats of the present wave of immigrants into England will turn around and start to abuse their host nation
Oh I see , that's already happening
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- November 26, 2019 10:25 PM GMT
when slavery was abolished, the government of uk had to compensate the slave owners.

it cost £20 million, which is about twice the value of repaying the waspi women today, in real terms

the loan the government took out was only finally repaid in 2015!



if you wish to find out if your ancestor received a payment this may help...
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs/project/research
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 10:27 PM GMT
look around , I could say worse than ungrateful brats certainly

forgotten about the Manchester bomb already anxious?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- November 26, 2019 10:28 PM GMT
so, if you lived in uk pre 2015, some of your cash went to help the abolition of slavery. Happy
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- November 26, 2019 10:28 PM GMT
to help to pay for the abolition of slavery
Report anxious November 26, 2019 10:29 PM GMT
lfc my hometown was atacked yes it was terrible and a disgrace , but please do not start with your loyalist garbage to me my friend
Report lfc1971 November 26, 2019 10:30 PM GMT
Don't start with that anti british garbage, my friend
Report jucel69 November 26, 2019 10:30 PM GMT

Nov 26, 2019 -- 4:17PM, moisok wrote:


the revisionists on here want to avoid any mention of any other slavery other than the enslaving of blacks for the USA  and the west indies.Just wondering - anyone mention the african leaders who allowed these black slaves to be sold to white slavers?  Or black slavers come to that.muslim enslavement was rife throughout the centuries  - all links in with war and conquest - but be honestif you were in power, why wouldn't you.  A source of labour and profit.  Or prophet even.


The historians John Thornton and Linda Heywood of Boston University estimate that 90 percent of those shipped to the New World were enslaved by Africans and then sold to European traders                                                                                           
                                                                                           
The conquest and capture of Africans and their sale to Europeans was one of the main sources of foreign exchange for several African kingdoms for a very long time

Report jucel69 November 26, 2019 10:32 PM GMT
Poor old anxious, never set foot out of Manchester!
Narrow minded leftie bigot
Report anxious November 26, 2019 10:35 PM GMT
Even those who think they know it all
Report jucel69 November 26, 2019 10:36 PM GMT

Nov 26, 2019 -- 4:34PM, anxious wrote:


Thailandy I

Report jucel69 November 26, 2019 10:36 PM GMT
Salford and Stretford don't count!
Report jucel69 November 26, 2019 10:37 PM GMT

Nov 26, 2019 -- 4:34PM, anxious wrote:


Thailandy I

Report jucel69 November 26, 2019 10:38 PM GMT
So the majority of people in the UK are thick Anxious?
Report anxious November 26, 2019 10:39 PM GMT
in what way ?
Report Whisperingdeath November 26, 2019 11:06 PM GMT
go read the history of him and his revolution
he had to do it because they needed to fight of france and its influence power etc
it is common knowledge


I am not sure he reintroduced slavery hence I am asking. I understand he had slaves or at least employed former slaves. He made sure his former slaves owners escaped before the revolution.
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