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By:
themover
When: 17 Oct 19 10:42
Boris Johnson
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We’ve got a great new deal that takes back control — now Parliament should get Brexit done on Saturday so we can move on to other priorities like the cost of living, the NHS, violent crime and our environment #GetBrexitDone #TakeBackControl
By:
geordie1956
When: 17 Oct 19 10:45
The DUP are NOT on board with this deal
By:
n88uk
When: 17 Oct 19 10:47
When exactly is the text of this deal going to be available for MPs to read before Saturday?
By:
Angoose
When: 17 Oct 19 10:49
Not yet available in English, let alone the twenty three languages required for the EU 27.
By:
lord skywalker
When: 17 Oct 19 10:53
we can always rely on the neagtive remoaners to bring it all crashing down, labour and lib dems will be out in force to rubbish any new or reworked deal, it could be the deal of the century but corbyn would find something negative to say about it, already denied his members a free vote, can boris get it thru parliament is the question? i really hope so
By:
themover
When: 17 Oct 19 10:56
Let's see how many of the Remainers actually wanted a deal. Probably enough against ANY deal and then a General Election when the people can tell them what they think of them.
By:
n88uk
When: 17 Oct 19 10:57
So they should just vote through a bad deal anyway?

Also there's a lot of uproar from Brexiteers who want no deal.
By:
Wallflower
When: 17 Oct 19 10:58
Will be interesting to see the detail.  But if as reported this is going to be fun.

--  This is the original deal  ie.  NI-only backstop.  "A great new deal" - I don't think anybody is fooled its anything else
--  If EU/Dublin happy then that will send panic attacks among some. Dublin has got its way
--  DUP to be ignored (again) - just like GFA, for greater good.  United Ireland gets closer as its NI is economically aligned to Dublin/Brussels not
    London.
--  Hard-line Brexiters unable to reconcile and back-down over "break-up" of UK  vote it down and DUP vote it down. Remainers vote it down. How does it
    vote pass?

Great viewing ahead - plus the Rugby QFs.
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 19 11:00
Well done Boris , and Corbyn and starmer and labour and libdems and the rest of the losers said you didn’t want a deal
more remainer lies
By:
themover
When: 17 Oct 19 11:00
If Australia beat England we can always ask for it to be re-played as it's not what we voted for.
By:
n88uk
When: 17 Oct 19 11:01
Hard to know what Boris' game is yet. Losing a vote on a deal because DUP and ERG vote it down again will be disastrous, so can he possibly think he has the numbers without the DUP, it seems unlikely, you'd need virtually every Conservative on board then. The government has a majority of -3 even if you restored the whip to all the old Conservative rebels, hard to see more than 20 of opposition vote for this, and there's a chance that it could be like 10, indeed if it's 10 it's pretty much impossible to pass without DUP support.
By:
lord skywalker
When: 17 Oct 19 11:02
couldnt care less about nancy rugby and come to think of it brexit is losing its appeal as well, remaoners already moaning about the boris deal, no matter what boris got it will never be good enough for the remoaners
By:
themover
When: 17 Oct 19 11:02
The DUP had better hope it doesn't result in a No Deal if they vote it down
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 19 11:03
The DUP and ERG won’t vote it down

It will pass , more remainer tears :)
By:
Wallflower
When: 17 Oct 19 11:03
Thinking about it.  ERG and Hard-line Brexiters will have to dump the DUP and pass this deal. Otherwise the risk of no-Brexit looms large.
By:
Angoose
When: 17 Oct 19 11:04
He continues to roll the dice.
Win the vote and he is a hero, lose it and he'll still portray himself as a hero who continues to be blocked by the pesky remainers.
By:
FredRescue
When: 17 Oct 19 11:04
Deal requires way more than ERG and DUP votes
By:
n88uk
When: 17 Oct 19 11:05

Oct 17, 2019 -- 5:02AM, themover wrote:


The DUP had better hope it doesn't result in a No Deal if they vote it down


Why, the DUP seemingly want no deal. They also don't fear no Brexit like others.

By:
lord skywalker
When: 17 Oct 19 11:05
negative vibes are rife among the remoaners, why moan about something you have no control of and come to think of it when we leave it wont make much diffrence anyway, joining the euro springs to mind they all said it would be disaster and low and behold it wasnt, this is just the same
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 19 11:06
Boris has got a good deal , he’s going to call the remainers bluff

Vote for it or it’s no deal , and boris will leave on Oct 31 or fight the election on that , good
By:
geordie1956
When: 17 Oct 19 11:07
Johnson may not address this in the Commons on Saturday if he feels the vote would be lost ... it would give the opportunity for oppositions parties + tory rebels to push for a 2nd referendum and there might be a majority for this

He really is in  a quandry but the fact is nobody has even read the details of the agreement yet   ... how much will he offer as a sweetener to the DUP
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 19 11:08
A 2nd ref will not pass Parliament

It’s this deal or leave no deal

Take it or leave it
By:
lord skywalker
When: 17 Oct 19 11:09
geordie there was wasnt a  majority for another referendum when they voted before so why would there be one now, wishful thinking geordie
By:
Angoose
When: 17 Oct 19 11:09
639 votes in play, 320 to pass.
287 Tory + Charlie Elphicke + 10 DUP = 298

21 Tory rebels kicked out for voting for the Benn Act are the key players.
By:
Trendy
When: 17 Oct 19 11:10
But...what does Eric think?
By:
Angoose
When: 17 Oct 19 11:10
Wait and see regarding a second referendum, this may well be the price that the former Tory rebels set for backing the deal.
There will be an amendment.
By:
geordie1956
When: 17 Oct 19 11:10
If it was a bad deal before then it certainly hasn't improved over time
Without the DUP on board + the ERG + some labour rebels it will not pass
By:
lord skywalker
When: 17 Oct 19 11:11
another ref wont happen and why should it, its only the mps who are blocking it, the poeple have already made their choice
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 19 11:11
Boris has the remainer rats cornered Happy
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 19 11:13
Now the EU have come to a good deal they will see the true nature of the remainer troublemakers

They’re watching
By:
n88uk
When: 17 Oct 19 11:13
ERG apparently fear if they don't vote for it then parliament will vote for another ref, though it's not clear has that come from ERG or is it a threat from Cummings.

They are using this to pressure DUP, however not clear at all to me this will work as before now the DUP have repeatedly said they are union first, they don't fear no Brexit like the ERG do.
By:
lord skywalker
When: 17 Oct 19 11:13
remoaners accept you lost and move on preferably somewhere north of finland
By:
geordie1956
When: 17 Oct 19 11:13
Wait and see regarding a second referendum, this may well be the price that the former Tory rebels set for backing the deal.
There will be an amendment.


Some if not most of the 21 tory rebels are now of a mind to agree for another referendum ... even Ken Clarke who doesn't agree with referendums per se ... he has always believed it is Parliament who should deal with such matters
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 19 11:14
The sacked tories won’t be needed
By:
n88uk
When: 17 Oct 19 11:15
They will, without them absolutely no chance a deal passes.
By:
lord skywalker
When: 17 Oct 19 11:16
another referendum talk is for remoaner losers who cant accept that we voted to leave
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 19 11:16
Boris , and Cummings have done the maths
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Oct 19 11:17
So has the EU
By:
Trendy
When: 17 Oct 19 11:18
Land of hope and glory.
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