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pa lapsy
11 Oct 19 17:10
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Love Leo,that is some "bus driving" boy Laugh
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Report Angoose October 11, 2019 8:53 PM BST
Ever get the feeling that you've been had?
That fringe meeting in Manchester where they all drank Tory champagne and cheered Boris Johnson to the rafters must feel like a long time ago.
Report pa lapsy October 11, 2019 9:07 PM BST
Ta an "#dup hashtag on twitter" go an mhaith trathnona inniu Excited
Report akabula October 11, 2019 9:08 PM BST
Report akabula October 11, 2019 9:15 PM BST
What have they actually agreed to? No speculating please, just facts.
Report Angoose October 11, 2019 9:21 PM BST
Johnson's Brexit proposal creates illusion of victory for both sides
Under the plan, the whole of the United Kingdom leaves the EU Customs Union, in a big and important win for the prime minister.

Downing Street appears to have a credible Brexit proposal after a week which began with a Number 10 aide calling a deal "essentially impossible".

The proposal thrashed out between Boris Johnson and Leo Varadkar, in theory, deals with the main of the outstanding intractable issues.

The nascent plan, revealed by leaks to Sky News and others, appears clever because it creates the illusion of victory for both sides on the most difficult issue of all - customs.

Under the plan, the whole of the United Kingdom leaves the EU customs union, in a big and important win for Boris Johnson.

However, the EU tariff regime will continue to be applied on whole of the island of Ireland.

This means that the tariffs charged in Great Britain could be different to those in Northern Ireland.

But under the compromise agreement, all businesses in Northern Ireland will be able to benefit from UK tariffs by offering a rebate on goods sold, if the UK tariff is lower than the EU one.

This plan allows Europe to say the island of Ireland is in one customs zone.

Which is a win for them.

This plan also allows Mr Johnson to say the whole of the UK has left the customs union and Northern Ireland can - like the rest of Great Britain benefit from trade deals, which is a win for him.

This compromise comes in the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement, which allowed for competing interpretations of one set of rules to allow peace in Northern Ireland.

Though, in truth, Britain has probably compromised more than the EU in this process.

Putting together the various compromises offered by Mr Johnson, Northern Ireland will, under Mr Johnson's plan, now be in the same regulatory and agricultural zone and subject to the same tariffs as the rest of the EU.

There will be a regulatory and agrifoods border in the Irish Sea and potentially some customs checks too, albeit while ensuring that Northern Ireland businesses do not lose out financially from the arrangement.

Some have compared the plan to a version of Theresa May's Chequers deal, but for Northern Ireland.

Others call it a Northern Ireland backstop - rejected decisively by MPs time and again - in all but name.

Number 10 will reject both labels and probably call it a free trade zone.

There will also be the option for Northern Ireland - either via Stormont or another mechanism - to vote on the plan in a few years, details of which are yet to be spelt out.

Only Mr Johnson could have compromised like this, and - as of now - still appear to keep both the DUP and Brexiteers on side.

However, the government is not home and dry.

They need to convince the rest of the EU, and there may be reservations about whether the UK post-Brexit can be trusted to administer the EU external border, and whether they are prepared to tolerate the risk of smuggling.

Then they also need to convince parliament.

Mr Johnson does not have a majority and, since he expelled a number of Tories who were voting to block no-deal, his numbers have been going backwards.

Several have joined the Lib Dems, while others who support a second referendum are not minded to support Mr Johnson either.

Meanwhile, Mr Johnson's Brexit plan paves the way for Great Britain to be subject to the hardest possible Brexit, potentially allowing for a reworking of the entire economic and social model towards low-tax low-regulation states with small safety nets, such as Singapore.

This makes it harder for Labour MPs to support.

This battle is not over yet.
Report akabula October 11, 2019 9:42 PM BST
Methinks Boris playing Varadkar like a violin here. Happy
Report geordie1956 October 11, 2019 9:46 PM BST
A violin with broken strings ... Leo has him by the Bojos
Report thegiggilo October 11, 2019 10:07 PM BST
Varadkar can do what he pleases,johnson sweating profusely but i suppose that's not unusual..
Report akabula October 11, 2019 10:10 PM BST
You should never put so much faith in a foreigner.
Report geordie1956 October 11, 2019 10:12 PM BST
Correct - Bojo was born in the US Devil
Report PorcupineorPineapple October 11, 2019 10:18 PM BST
Laugh
Report PorcupineorPineapple October 11, 2019 10:20 PM BST
Although, to be fair the actual line "you should never put so much faith in a foreigner" does deserve closer inspection.



Do tell aka, what is it about foreign people that makes them less trustworthy?
Report politicspunter October 11, 2019 10:22 PM BST

Oct 11, 2019 -- 10:12PM, geordie1956 wrote:


Correct - Bojo was born in the US


Bojo the lying turk?

Report akabula October 11, 2019 10:39 PM BST
Boris as British as a Bulldog and worthy of our trust.
Report PorcupineorPineapple October 11, 2019 10:40 PM BST
coward
Report anxious October 11, 2019 10:47 PM BST
Bulldog he was born in America wasnt he
Report anxious October 11, 2019 10:48 PM BST
Trust and Bulingdon lol
Report sofiakenny October 11, 2019 10:49 PM BST
Ackiebigot..what a bigot.Sad
Report akabula October 11, 2019 11:13 PM BST
Thats very profound kennybhoy. What a muppet Laugh
Report PorcupineorPineapple October 11, 2019 11:19 PM BST
Aka desperately running away from defending something he said.









Has this ever happened before, I hear you ask. Take a guess.
Report thegiggilo October 11, 2019 11:23 PM BST
Sounds like a PM  we know..
Report politicspunter October 11, 2019 11:25 PM BST
Lol, Looks like Boris has eventually had the guts to shyte on the dup parasites from a great height.
Report akabula October 11, 2019 11:27 PM BST
Defending what I said? And I need to defend it to who?
Strange wee bubble you live in Porky almost as if the forum gives you a sense of importance. Grin
Report lfc1971 October 11, 2019 11:28 PM BST
The true blue tories , the Brexiteers , the unionists , the erg , the ROI
will decide the deal

remainers are going to have to accept it and shut up
Report PorcupineorPineapple October 11, 2019 11:28 PM BST
coward
Report akabula October 11, 2019 11:30 PM BST
Remainers getting in a lather on here tonight.
Attacking like a pack of feral dogs but without any teeth. Happy
Report akabula October 11, 2019 11:30 PM BST
Why is lfc a coward Porky?
Report lfc1971 October 11, 2019 11:33 PM BST
yes aka they are seething Happy

must admit I am quite impressed with Barnier and the eu today
let me go to work he said !
Quite right , abd tekk the remainers to fk off
Report lfc1971 October 11, 2019 11:34 PM BST
I think the eu are beginning to see who the troublemakers are now
Report lfc1971 October 11, 2019 11:38 PM BST
I think the eu will look favourably in boris’ deal if we can get the technical details sorted

It’s the remainers they are starting to get pissed off with
And heaven knows who can blame them
Report akabula October 11, 2019 11:39 PM BST
Fire away Porky if it  makes you happy. Happy
Some like to lick windows and some like to throw insults.
Either way it makes no real difference does it?
Report akabula October 11, 2019 11:40 PM BST
The problem for the remainers is they cannot accept democracy.
Report PorcupineorPineapple October 11, 2019 11:42 PM BST
Well I'm generally told I'm in the insulting throwing ranks. But glad to see you're accepting your place in the world. All about building blocks and moving on to better things eh.
Report lfc1971 October 11, 2019 11:43 PM BST
They must be forced to accept it aka
Report lfc1971 October 11, 2019 11:44 PM BST
Boris , thank god , understands that
Report anxious October 11, 2019 11:44 PM BST
Little England no more
Report akabula October 11, 2019 11:45 PM BST
Porky got it polished off to a T.
Bet on his CV he mentions his forum skills at every opportunity.
Report anxious October 11, 2019 11:45 PM BST
Bullingdon  what a coont
Report PorcupineorPineapple October 11, 2019 11:47 PM BST
Problem with a cv aka is that it's all written down and people ask you about it.



I can only assume you've never written one as that concept clearly terrifies you.
Report lfc1971 October 11, 2019 11:48 PM BST
Scottish unionists let us down  us down this time

They have a big majority , and the have let the snp scum into holyrood  and Westminster
Report akabula October 11, 2019 11:48 PM BST
Boris does understand it and has the intelligence to kick all opponents into touch.
Report lfc1971 October 11, 2019 11:50 PM BST
God goes with boris , and the unionists , and the Brexiteers
Report lfc1971 October 11, 2019 11:51 PM BST
They are the true believers , in democracy
Report akabula October 11, 2019 11:54 PM BST
Surprised that so many have failed to see through the SNP and their ineptitude.
The Scottish NHS, Education, Police and Transport all toiling and have been for some time.
Constantly blame Tory Austerity despite having the devolved powers to deal with it.
Report lfc1971 October 11, 2019 11:56 PM BST
We have always known that , the EU is starting to see that also
We could see that , Boris ,  Leo , Barnier ...
They are beginning to see that, and are tiring of the remainers dirty tricks
Report lfc1971 October 11, 2019 11:58 PM BST
Look at how happy those three great men were today

God bless them as they continue with the talks
Report lfc1971 October 12, 2019 12:03 AM BST
And don’t listen to the remainer troublemakers as they try to derail these peaceful talks
Report akabula October 12, 2019 12:06 AM BST
All the remainers have left is immature insults.
Almost becoming feral as reality hits home.
Report lfc1971 October 12, 2019 12:12 AM BST
Can you imagine if the remainers went to Barnier and said we are
trying to derail the talks for another few years

And he said fk off , you’re too much trouble Laugh
Report akabula October 12, 2019 12:29 AM BST
I see someone has written to the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards complaining about Bercows lack of impartiality regarding Brexit.
In particular his actions during parliament debates and his recent visit to the EU parliament to discuss Brexit.
The complaint is in the name of a Rebecca Butler who describes herself as a Barrister at Law
Report lfc1971 October 12, 2019 12:36 AM BST
I don’t know aka , little bercow isn’t the worst
there are the labour MPs and libdems hundreds of them
Maybe he hasn’t been strictly impartial I’m not sure
well hopefully it won’t matter
Report lfc1971 October 12, 2019 12:40 AM BST
Can you imagine if he had a deciding vote and he passed boris’ deal Laugh
Report lfc1971 October 12, 2019 12:42 AM BST
All would be forgiven and forgotten
Report akabula October 12, 2019 12:43 AM BST
Reading the complaint its evident that he has broken his code of conduct as the speaker.
Certainly wasn't wise of him to declare his total opposition to Brexit at a recent talk he gave.
Report lfc1971 October 12, 2019 12:52 AM BST
Yes that’s true ,but i suppose in the end it depends on whether he has broken any rules
I don’t think he’s that important in the scheme of things
( as long as he doesn’t get to vote )
Report Angoose October 12, 2019 9:18 AM BST
The Democratic Unionist party has given a guarded response to Boris Johnson’s apparent U-turn on the Irish border, saying it will judge any Brexit deal on how it affects Northern Ireland’s long-term economic and constitutional interests.

In a statement on Friday night Arlene Foster, the DUP leader, reiterated the party’s opposition to the backstop but did not criticise the prime minister’s reported acceptance that there could not be a customs border on the island of Ireland.

“The DUP has always indicated that the United Kingdom must leave the EU as one nation and in so doing that no barriers to trade are erected within the UK,” said Foster, warning against any measure that would “trap” Northern Ireland in the EU’s single market or customs union.

She vowed to use the party’s “pivotal” influence at Westminster – it has 10 MPs and holds sway over some Conservative party Brexiters – to block any deal that violated the UK’s constitutional integrity.

However, the statement also recognised “the need to be flexible and look at Northern Ireland-specific solutions”, leaving the door open to a possible compromise between Downing Street and Brussels.

Ian Paisley, one of the party’s most ardent Brexiter MPs, said that the DUP would vote down any deal it did not like, but did not pre-emptively condemn Downing Street’s apparent backtracking.

Rival unionists, however, pounced on the reports.

Jim Allister, the leader of the Traditional Unionist Voice party, said: “If the proposals we’re beginning to hear about are correct it would totally disintegrate that economic unity … No matter how you dress it up, that is a fundamental assault upon our position within the United Kingdom.”

Jim Nicholson, an Ulster Unionist party (UUP) former MEP, said the region could be left on the “window ledge” of the union. “I fear that Northern Ireland is being offered up by Boris Johnson as the sacrificial lamb to save Brexit for the rest of the UK, the European Research Group and especially English nationalists.”
Report lfc1971 October 12, 2019 9:30 AM BST
The DUP are and have already been capable of compromise
they will look carefully at these new proposals and hopefully will find them to be acceptable
As usual it is the unionists and indeed the U.K. who are having to do the hard work , not the republicans who
are incapable of compromise
Report themover October 12, 2019 9:43 AM BST
Other than a No Deal there isn't a way that Northern Ireland can exit the EU on the same terms as the rest of the UK. There has to be same market rules for NI and ROI to avoid a border so the current proposals, if reports are correct, seems to offer a solution to that. The DUP can accept the compromise or vote for a No Deal. I suspect the majority would prefer the compromise. In some ways NI get's the best of both worlds in the arrangement being able to take the lowest tarrifs available.
Report politicspunter October 12, 2019 9:43 AM BST
Jim Nicholson spot on.
Report lfc1971 October 12, 2019 9:46 AM BST
Themover is correct
Report lfc1971 October 12, 2019 9:49 AM BST
See how politics pauper is hoping now that the unionists won’t be able to find this deal acceptable

Don’t trust hypocrites like him
Report lfc1971 October 12, 2019 9:54 AM BST
This deal protects the gfa , it maintains peace

The remainers never cared about that , as we can see from the comments of pp abs others .
They were only concerned to use it as a means to get their own
way

This deal exposes that , they are revealed for what they are now
They gave no place to hide their true nature
Report Angoose October 12, 2019 10:01 AM BST
Another obstacle to any Brexit deal is the lack of a functioning Stormont assembly and executive.

Unionist and nationalist parties voiced scepticism on Friday that they could break the region’s 998-day political impasse.

Any Brexit deal is expected to require democratic consent for Northern Ireland’s continued alignment with the EU’s single market in goods, a conundrum with no obvious solution if Stormont remains mothballed.

Almost 1,000 days on from the collapse of power-sharing, Sinn Féin and the DUP traded blame for the paralysis and unveiled no plans to restore devolution.

Robin Swann, the leader of the UUP, called the inability of Northern Ireland’s two biggest parties to share power an abject failure of politics.
“Their toxic mixture of arrogance, disrespect and incompetence has led the country to where it is today,” he said.

Stormont collapsed in January 2017 over a botched renewable heating initiative, the so-called cash for ash scandal. The biggest obstacle to the restoration of power-sharing is an Irish language act.

Colum Eastwood, the leader of the moderate nationalist SDLP, said there was negligible progress despite urgency over Brexit and atrophying public services. “The cold truth is that we are no closer to Irish-language legislation now than we were three years ago. We are facing a national emergency on this island as a no-deal Brexit draws nearer.”

The murder of the journalist Lyra McKee in April by dissident republicans galvanised British and Irish officials to shepherd parties into talks at Stormont, with all sides expressing concern at armed groups filling the political void.

Talks stalled amid mistrust between the DUP and Sinn Féin. Not even the imminent decriminalisation of abortion on 22 October – unless the assembly reconvenes before that date – persuaded the anti-abortion DUP to return.

Naomi Long, the leader of the Alliance party, called the political stalemate “shameful”. A campaign group, We Deserve Better, is due to hold a protest outside Stormont on Sunday.

The gloom in Belfast contrasted with hope in Brussels after British and EU negotiators got the green light to intensify talks to try to hammer out a Brexit deal.

There have been two key sticking points: Downing Street’s insistence on a customs border on the island of Ireland; and a mechanism for gaining democratic consent for Northern Ireland’s alignment with the EU’s single market. The latter had raised anxiety in some quarters over a DUP veto on trading arrangements.

Thursday’s meeting between Johnson and his Irish counterpart, Leo Varadkar, ended with both sides declaring a “pathway” to a possible Brexit deal, suggesting compromise on both issues.

Julian Smith, the Northern Ireland secretary, told the BBC there would not be a situation where “one community has a veto” over Brexit plans.

He said there was “a range of options” for finding consent. He did not rule out a Northern Ireland-only referendum. “The key thing is we have to have regard to the Good Friday agreement and have regard to the need to have a cross-community approach to how we resolve this.”

Northern Ireland’s business community has repeatedly warned of ruin if the UK leaves without a deal.
Report Angoose October 12, 2019 10:07 AM BST
As always, the devil will be in the detail, and we have a government who will go to extreme lengths to avoid publishing detail.

And whilst the current focus is on two major sticking points specific to Northern Ireland, we have yet to see what is planned for the rest of the country.

And, as Leo has reminded us, “there’s many in the slip between cup and lip”.
Report themover October 12, 2019 10:10 AM BST
There is no need for Stormont to be revived to get Brexit through. If there is no Assembly in Stormont it is governed by London.
Report pa lapsy October 12, 2019 12:47 PM BST
Heart to God,with a few notable exceptions the thread disintegrated,Johnny Foreigner got a bit of a bashing as well! Prince Philip not in the slightest bit amused!
Best to put this in the cupboard under the stairs and go away and listen to dj butterfly.
Report macarony October 12, 2019 2:26 PM BST
I wonder how the dup are feeling now?

A billion pound better off
Report 1st time poster October 12, 2019 5:51 PM BST
wonder if one day someone will calculate the time and billions wasted on 2 no deal deadlines if we eventually sign up to something the dup,erg could have signed up to 18 months ago,mrs may.s face sat behind Johnson wqhen he describesbasically her deal as an a work of art,he,l obviously miss out the bits about no british PM could ever sign up to,and some fat blonde fool labling the deal CRAZY LaughLaugh
Report pa lapsy October 17, 2019 6:15 PM BST
Without a hint of irony Arlene Foster has said " you can't separate part of a nation from the rest of the nation.

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report jollyswagman October 17, 2019 6:17 PM BST
dup been duped
Report lfc1971 October 19, 2019 11:45 AM BST
New Zealand 17 , Ireland 0
Very good ... so far
Report lfc1971 October 19, 2019 12:39 PM BST
New Zealand 29 Ireland 0 :)

ongoing
Report lfc1971 October 19, 2019 1:14 PM BST
46 -14 HappyCool
**** off Ireland
Report anxious October 19, 2019 2:20 PM BST
lfc the DUP are now going to back the letwin amendment , they are livid with Bulingdon
Report lfc1971 October 19, 2019 2:37 PM BST
The loyalists are true arrows , you have to give them that
Report pa lapsy October 19, 2019 2:47 PM BST
This is much better than the rugby!!

dup now are "remainers" lol.
Report jollyswagman October 19, 2019 2:48 PM BST
is irish tv covering our parliamentary madness pa?
Report pa lapsy October 19, 2019 2:53 PM BST
I'm not sure JS unless it is on rte news channel which i'd imagine.
Report jollyswagman October 19, 2019 2:54 PM BST
thanks
Report pa lapsy October 19, 2019 3:48 PM BST
Your "true arrows" have gone a bit wonky Lfc, remainers to the core now,lol

feck England
feck the majority of NI

"true arrows" indeed,ya silly boy.
Report pa lapsy October 19, 2019 3:57 PM BST
Your bud Nigel looking to back a 2nd referendum.10 extra heads in the crowd for the peoples vote,

"true arrows"

feck the union we do what suits ourselves.
Report lapsy pa May 28, 2021 2:51 PM BST
Seems that meeting last night was some gas altogether Laugh
Report Mister E June 2, 2021 12:05 PM BST
Rogered by the Tories, only themselves to blame, the precedent was there with LibDems,  Tories use them for all they can and then leave them .
Report politicspunter June 3, 2021 11:33 AM BST
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57342118

The DUP are becoming a political laughing stock who represent no one.
Report lapsy pa June 3, 2021 12:01 PM BST
A brief summary;

Dup back brexit
Dup block Mays deal
Dup block Boris making deal
New Gov and have lost influence.
Deal agreed by UK and EU,
Dup furious and blame everyone else.
Dump AF and take instructions from UDA/UVF/UFF

The meeting Thurs with an Taoiseach looks a complete backtrack on the previous rhetoric re North/South talks.They are getting nowhere fast.
Report politicspunter June 3, 2021 12:05 PM BST
Their opinion poll figures are horrendous and are in danger of becoming a nonentity as all other parties benefit from their downfall.
Report lapsy pa June 3, 2021 12:15 PM BST
Couldn't happen to a nicer crowd.
Report lapsy pa June 17, 2021 4:07 PM BST
Laugh These goons just keep on giving!

Will Poots last til tea time? Ian og the only one standing by him from all accounts
Report Giuseppe June 17, 2021 4:10 PM BST
haven't really been following this

what's the problem with this Givan fella?
Report lapsy pa June 17, 2021 4:24 PM BST
I don't know tbh Joe re Givan but the party is in meltdown,to be continued....
Report Giuseppe June 17, 2021 4:30 PM BST
seems to be a bit of whippersnapper
Report politicspunter June 17, 2021 9:18 PM BST
Poots chucked out.
Report politicspunter June 17, 2021 9:32 PM BST
Poots get Boots could be a headline tomorrow?
Report politicspunter June 17, 2021 9:38 PM BST
They get rid of Arlene Foster because she abstains on a vote about gay correction therapy, replace her with a total nutjob who thinks the world is only a few thousand years old, then chuck him out after a few weeks..what next for the dinosaurs of UK politics?
Report boxingthefox June 17, 2021 9:43 PM BST
Sectarian dinosaurs let's hope they'll be extinct after this.
Report peckerdunne June 18, 2021 1:55 PM BST
The cautious but irreversible road to destruction................DUP Laugh

Thousands of Irish speaking kids in the North, running around with Hurls and Concertinas.  Laugh HUP
Report lfc1971 June 18, 2021 3:01 PM BST
Big Ian’s shoes are difficult shoes to fill Cool
Report lapsy pa June 18, 2021 5:07 PM BST
Hello PD,hope you are keeping well!

Think you are into trad music, i have a buddy who lives off Barrack St but he was out in his garden and spotted John Spillane passing with his guitar,bud said howya and said he likes his stuff, JS goes into the garden and plays "The streets of Ballyphehane" had a coffee and was off on a "gig".
This happened this morning,bud was delighted and sent me the vid from his phone,fair play to JS,it was very good.
Report peckerdunne June 18, 2021 6:32 PM BST
Hi Pa, i'm good thanks, hope your chipper yerself..

I remember you saying you werent a fan of Spillane.

His material is not for everyone, i wouldnt rush to pull his lp out first, but that said the fella is a BARD, a huge talent to be respected for sure, and clearly very down to earth also.He's fluent Irish and fairy forts and cherry blossom tree and  all sorts HUP Laugh
Report TheBetterBettor June 18, 2021 10:13 PM BST
Someone summed it up perfectly on the dup board...

The D.U.P., they won the battle but lost the war.
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