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By:
politicspunter
When: 14 Oct 19 11:45

Oct 14, 2019 -- 11:43AM, geordie1956 wrote:


4.5 to leave on or before 31 Oct - Brexiteers must be in clover


That's a big price for folks that believe Boris, Rees Mogg and Priti.

By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Oct 19 11:49
Impossible

That's the problem. Too many people do not know what democracy or Parliamentary Sovereignty is!

I'm afraid it appears you are one of them!
By:
themover
When: 14 Oct 19 11:57
The Referendum voted to leave the EU, Parliament voted to invoke Article 50.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Oct 19 11:59
So what?
By:
themover
When: 14 Oct 19 12:00
So that is democratic is it not?
By:
Angoose
When: 14 Oct 19 12:03
Yes, those were two elements in a much wider democratic process.
However, democracy doesn't stop, it goes on, and on, and on, and on .......
By:
themover
When: 14 Oct 19 12:06
1 member out of 27 at EU level can however veto, for example, an extension request, so not everywhere is democratic Wink
By:
politicspunter
When: 14 Oct 19 12:08

Oct 14, 2019 -- 12:06PM, themover wrote:


1 member out of 27 at EU level can however veto, for example, an extension request, so not everywhere is democratic


As that was agreed by all EU countries, it is indeed democratic.

By:
themover
When: 14 Oct 19 12:09
Laugh
By:
lord skywalker
When: 14 Oct 19 12:17
like i ve said before youu will never get a remoaner to see sense, it isnt the peoples fault its parliament so why on earth should there be another vote, the result was clear, if leave won again remoaners still wouldnt be happy and would continue to kick the remain can down the street, the 2016 vote was a one off, you cant change the result just because you dont like it
By:
Angoose
When: 14 Oct 19 12:23
If you wish to live a life devoid of detail, that is entirely up to you.

For everyone else, detail matters, and it is abundantly clear that the process of defining the detail of the 2016 referendum has proven to be far more difficult than the public were lead to believe it would be.

Again, if you wish to ignore this detail, that is entirely up to you.
Fortunately, the individuals responsible for delivering legislation are very interested in detail and the consequences of those details.
By:
lord skywalker
When: 14 Oct 19 12:24
mover why isnt it democratic to veto an extention?
By:
lord skywalker
When: 14 Oct 19 12:29
there you go again angoose with youre remain dribble, how many times angoose the vote was leave not delay and dither for a decade, you made your choice in 2016 to leave/remain and thats it, no amount of arguments will change that and endless threads of how much worse off we will be, its dribble and remainers know that
By:
Angoose
When: 14 Oct 19 12:34
What were the details?
By:
Angoose
When: 14 Oct 19 12:37
What are the details now?
By:
Angoose
When: 14 Oct 19 12:43
Are you satisfied with "Get Brexit Done", is that sufficient detail for you?
By:
themover
When: 14 Oct 19 12:45
BREAKING NEWS

Nicola Sturgeon has demanded that the match between Japan v Scotland be replayed as the majority of Scots didn't vote for that result
By:
politicspunter
When: 14 Oct 19 12:59
MORE BREAKING NEWS

Themover is so biased against the SNP that his posts are irrelevant.
By:
lord skywalker
When: 14 Oct 19 14:59
didnt darren fletcher say before the scotland - san marino game yesterday that the scottish people were very negative, says it all about the SNP and angoose yes get brexit done is fine as long as we leave , a boris brexit rather than anybody else is my only wish
By:
politicspunter
When: 14 Oct 19 15:11

Oct 14, 2019 -- 2:59PM, lord skywalker wrote:


didnt darren fletcher say before the scotland - san marino game yesterday that the scottish people were very negative, says it all about the SNP and angoose yes get brexit done is fine as long as we leave , a boris brexit rather than anybody else is my only wish


What on earth can you be on about regarding the Scotland match and the SNP ?

By:
impossible123
When: 14 Oct 19 21:10
'Whisperingdeath', who cares in this context ie Brexit whether your definition of Parliamentary Sovereignty differs to mine - rightly or wrongly? However, anyone getting personal when discussing Brexit usually indicates that person has lost the argument, and rightly so.

How many times does one need to be reminded the 2016 EU Referendum was whether The UK exit The EU or not? It was so explicitly clear, and nothing about how we exit eg with or without a 'Deal' otherwise it would have been communicated on the ballot paper then.
By:
geordie1956
When: 14 Oct 19 21:26
Part of what was mentioned was the amazing trade agreements countries would be rushing to sign up to ... wrong
The massive freedoms which would make us all wealthier ... proven to be false even by Brexiteers who talk about short term pain & endurance for the supposed long term benefits ... but they don't know when we will benefit if ever
No discussions about the Irish Border which we find are almost insurmountable
Control of our borders & yet they argue about No hard border in Ireland ... not much control there
Reducing immigration but that isn't likely to happen
Oh and the £250mill per week extra for the NHS ... we may get up to 6 hospitals ... whenever
Brexit was sold on false promises
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Oct 19 21:28
This is what was promised

Have the “exact same benefits” as we get from EU membership
Be fully negotiated by March 2019
Produce a dividend from Europe worth £350m per week for our NHS
Result in new trade deals from day one after leaving
Deliver more jobs and higher wages across the UK
Mean no payments for access to the Single Market
Ensure an end to free movement in March 2019
Fully protect the integrity of the United Kingdom
End austerity
Mean a complete end to EU rules and regulations from March 2019
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 14 Oct 19 21:30
Impossible

I wasn't getting personal. I was just highlighting the inconsistencies of Brexit arguments particularly leaving because they wanted a Sovereign Parliament and then when Parliament shows its powers they whinge like babies and cry it's sooo unfair!
By:
lfc1971
When: 14 Oct 19 21:36
We haven’t left , so Parliament isn’t sovereign until we do leave
By:
impossible123
When: 14 Oct 19 22:42
There will no doubt be pain at the outset post Brexi, however, I do believe the present EU and its structure are just unworkable, why? There are too many members, the majority basket cases economically. But, for these basket cases the annual contribution of The UK to The EU would have been significantly less than £8/9bn - these basket cases are haemorrhaging (our) funds, The EU are also becoming too political; led by past-it politicians of limited ability and experience; bureaucratic and does not reward creativity and productivity.

I do not listen to what our British politicians say about the pros and cons of Brexit certainly not what were purportedly spread across that "bus" - only a bit of research needed; our MPs are too self-serving to be trusted.
By:
Platini
When: 14 Oct 19 23:59
you know what the really crazy thing is ?

Most of the remainer types believe that there is a much higher chance of the world ending (due to climate armageddon) than the collapse of their beloved EU project.
By:
lord skywalker
When: 15 Oct 19 08:24
"The government outlined plans in the Queen's speech on Monday to require people to bring photo ID to polling stations in order to vote.

Mr Corbyn claimed the move was an attempt to "suppress voters" and "rig" the next general election result."

corbyn already got his excuse out for losing the next election, what a loser!!
By:
lord skywalker
When: 15 Oct 19 08:27
no remainers get the fact that the nation as a whole voted to leave, theyre still going on about how worse off we will be and how undemocratic it is
By:
impossible123
When: 15 Oct 19 09:48
That's what I detest about the present Labour Party ie anything suggested by the present government - good or bad - is mocked or ridicule. It's only recently this country introduced photocard driving licence where it had been mandatory in the majority of developed countries; some citizens there carry identity card as well to facilitate administration.

The voting fraud in Tower Hamlets was a clear example of miss-using "political correctness" as an excuse to uphold democracy.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 15 Oct 19 10:57
you know what the really crazy thing is ?

Most of the remainer types believe that there is a much higher chance of the world ending (due to climate armageddon) than the collapse of their beloved EU project.


Wrong!

The EU has major problems, The Euro has major problems that could possibly bring down the EU but at the moment should we become an Island we shall be sucking cocke of Gangster Number 1 The USA and be vunerable to a squeeze by China whom if you remember are building a brand new Power Station for us at an exhorbitant cost because thew Tories are the Party of Business ( F Business! ). Wait till India try and squeeze the pips!
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