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Why Leavers Are So Scared Of A Second Referendum
Why Leavers Are So Scared Of A Second Referendum
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Now we have the monkey and the organ grinder on behalf of Leave
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Remainers gave dusgraced themselves , that’s there for all time of course
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It really is something when we see Barnier coming over to the Brexit side
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Impossible
Don’t you believe in Parliamentary Sovereignty? I thought that is what leavers wanted! |
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I can just hear the Europeans saying to themselves , These remainers , little grovelling ******, lol
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Either you're lying, you're stupid, or Farage is lying. Or all 3 to be fair.
Post of the day and I have to ad an  ! |
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Its called a Parliamentary Democracy for a reason ...
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sorry losers , I’m too tired to explain those silly things ,
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Why should anyone trust these Conservative Governments?
Now Mogg is supporting the May Deal? Are we to be a vassal state? |
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The 'Leavers' just want to 'Leave' The EU with or without a 'Deal' because the 'Leavers' do not like the present mishmash EU composition eg economic pariahs and economic leaders, with the economic leaders paying for the rejuvenation of the economic pariahs for many, many more years to come all for the sake of political dominance and enormous land mass; a very crass strategy only stupid leaders with little understanding or experience of Economics could embark on.
Not so long ago people in other parts of the world sacrificed their lives for a vote for democracy. And, now a vote legitimately taken by everyone eligible in 2016 some here still questioned its legitimacy. I also believe in Parliamentary Sovereignty too as long as our representatives in Parliament carry out the vote of their people otherwise, the Parliamentarians can get lost - the Parliamentarians are working for the people not themselves. But, democracy must not be eroded by Parliamentarians - they are there to act of the people's behalf ie carry out the result of a vote. I also do not care which government eg Tories, Labour or Lib(un)Dem in power, whoever must carry out the result of a democratic vote, not theirs. |
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I thought it was a simple question!
Here is another Should Scottish MP's vote for a No Deal Brexit? So you do believe in Parliamentary Democracy but only if they do what you want? |
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I do not care about what the Scottish MPs think or do, why? Scotland is part of the UK, and if The UK have voted for Brexit Scotland will just have to accept it. But, they can always ask for another Referendum to detach from The UK in the future - did they not get one not so long ago, and lost?
If an entity is part of a bigger entity and the bigger entity has chosen to embark on something then that entity would have to accept it willingly or not eg in business, a division of a conglomerate has no say in the final outcome of a mega or takeover. |
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Scotland has accepted their referendum vote which was to remain.
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If you keep on like this impossible you are going to replace lfc in our hearts!
So Scottish MP's should not represent the wishes of their voters? Really! That is why we voted to leave is it? |
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Scottish mps are not representing the wishes of its voters
I don’t know how many snp are doing that |
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I can’t think of one who is representing the leave voters , there may be
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Same problem in England with labour of course
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all elections are fought on the basis of a multitude of lies on both sides. it's up to the electorate to decide which lies they believe
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remaoners will use any argument to say the 2016 vote doesnt count and we were not told the full truth , i would rather have a deal but if not so be, remoaners hould accept the result and move on
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Why?
Why shouldn't they do all that is legally and Democratically allowed to stop it? |
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'Whisperingdeath'...what did you not understand about the 2016 EU Referendum? It was crystal clear about its objective and unambiguous. It was either a 'Yes' or a 'No' to exit The EU - no ifs or buts; ambiguity was only "introduced" by 'Remainer' - the loser post that Referendum (not prior). And, what you're doing now is trying to fudge it by using unrelated or mutually exclusive comparison for Brexit - the horse had bolted!
SNP represents Scotland (not many of them), and Scotland is only one component of The UK; 2016 Referendum covered the entire UK (including Scotland); The UK voted to 'Leave' The EU, and if Scotland did not,...that's tough = like it or lump it. But, please do not bring in totally unrelated and independent situations not Brexit related into the equation. As I said earlier Scotland can always ask again for another referendum to detach from The UK - I'm not allowed to vote in that - but it has my support, why? I do not believe in keeping any entity into a "club" if the entity is unhappy to do so. |
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Impossible , we must punish the remainers , and make sure they never get another referendum
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even my parents who are remoaners sound like robots who keep on repeating the same rubbish, gina miller started the remoaner revolt straight after the referendum stating parliament should have a say in starting article 50, they passed it and now should let the uk leave the eu without any further votes, trust will be lost forever in mps if they manage to stop brexit and that is what the lib dems,snp and to a lesser extent labour (cant make their poxy minds up)
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I voted to leave in 2016 impossible!
Three Conservative Governments have failed to deliver on it. Parliament has failed to deliver on it. The Country is split down the middle. I as a citizen of this great country have every right to change my mind and to oppose us leaving the European Union if I so desire. That is what being British is all about! The UK Parliament has shown its power and the very people who want Parliament to be Sovereign complain that it is! I do not want to leave the EU at this time. I wish the decision of the British People to be reversed. Is that against the law or undemocratic? If the people deliver a Parliament that allows Dorris to force through a no deal Brexit then so be it. If I vote for a Parliament that will either revoke Article 50 or call for a confirmation referendum then that is my democratic choice and right, what don't you understand about that? So if they do call another referendum or revoke Article 50 will you accept it? |
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Yes it is against the law, as Article 50 is in EU law and that says the UK are leaving the EU on the 31st October (deal or no deal).
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snp does represent scotlands interests quite correct PP but scotland is part of the UK and therefore must leave the EU unless they have another referrendum to seperate from the uk but mps should respect the 2016 vote and leave sooner rather than later, another delay will only lead to more arguments and more ammo for remain to say it was so long ago tthat the 2016 vote is no longer valid
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Yes it is against the law, as Article 50 is in EU law and that says the UK are leaving the EU on the 31st October (deal or no deal).
Print out the bit that says that! |
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https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2016/577971/EPRS_BRI(2016)577971_EN.pdf
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https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2016/577971/
EPRS_BRI(2016)577971_EN.pdf |
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personally i will not vote in another referrendum as i strongly beleive the first one shouldve been enacted, what if leave won again whisper would you accept it then proberly not
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Article 50 – Treaty on European Union (TEU)
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements. 2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. 3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period. 4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it. A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. 5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49. |
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No new referendum , until the first has been implemented and we have left , simple
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nothin is ever simple lfc, those pesky remoaners would jump off a cliff if they thought it would save their right to be part of the wonderful EU brigade
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the 1st paragraph proves we won't leave under Article 50 - The Benn Act is part of our constitutional requirement
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sorry mover
but where does it say as Article 50 is in EU law and that says the UK are leaving the EU on the 31st October (deal or no deal). |
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Brexit has been enacted for 3 1/2 years (don’t blame the Govt or negotiators, they were enacting Brexit)
You don’t need to be told that it has failed utterly and impoverished the country. Time to end the psychodrama. Leavers, I think you know, your time has come. End the lies, the evasions..Prepare to make your final defence, before the binding referendum. |
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eh? It's not specifically about the UK, that's Article 50 guidelines. If you don't believe the UK is currently set to leave the EU on the 31st October in EU law then you have nothing to worry about!
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'Whisperingdeath', as you voted to 'Leave' I'm at a lost about your present non-receptive stance of upholding democracy, unless of course you do not appreciate, understand or value the importance of a vote that reflects democracy.
You're correct 3 Tory governments could not enact Brexit, but it is not Tories and/or democracy specific - it's MPs specific ie the MPs did not wish to carry out the wish of the electorate for personal reasons despite voting overwhelmingly to invoke Article 50 - the same MPs even refused a General Election. I believe these MPs think they are cleverer, more intelligent and better placed than joe or harriet public about Brexit, and the importance of a vote and democracy. If so, I'd challenge them to ply their skills outside the corridors of power ie civvy life) for their bread and butter instead of feeding from the public trough doing nothing else except politics; some even chose to cross benchers but would not relinquish the platform and (salary and perks) they represented previously; some even enlisted their family members into the public trough. Our MPs are CARP, and only self-interested. |
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4.5 to leave on or before 31 Oct - Brexiteers must be in clover
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