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Angoose
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Report Angoose September 24, 2019 1:38 PM BST
Twice
Report Wallflower September 24, 2019 1:40 PM BST
Imagine Jacob Rees Mogg went to prorogue parliament againGrinGrin.

Popcorn time -  Frau Saxe-Coburg-Gotha says "come in you f*ckwit, its time we had a little chat".Shocked
Report bigpoppapump September 24, 2019 1:40 PM BST
it's about time you leavers had a word . 

If you are genuine in your belief that the UK should leave the EU then you ought to know that BJ isn't on your side (in the sense of sharing your view).  He's using Brexit for his own ends remember? 

He's pretending.  Just like TM before him.
Report 1st time poster September 24, 2019 1:41 PM BST
BORIS JOHNSON NEEDS A patsy to go and see the queen to ask for another prorogue

step forward  NICK HANNCOCK

1,01  LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 1:41 PM BST
do one bigpop, no need to be rude
Report 1st time poster September 24, 2019 1:41 PM BST
SORRY MATT HANNCOCK
Report unitedbiscuits September 24, 2019 1:42 PM BST
Imagine Jacob Rees Mogg went to prorogue parliament again.

Popcorn time -  Frau Saxe-Coburg-Gotha says "come in you f*ckwit, its time we had a little chat".


Laugh
Report bigpoppapump September 24, 2019 1:45 PM BST
do one bigpop, no need to be rude

typical snowflake brexiteer.  You do your ad hominem 'typical remainer blah blah blah' but then get all sensitive in the face of the truth.  you're being conned and to get conned you are looking for a short cut (greedy/lazy) or are gullible of the obviously false (stupid).  Sorry if this hurts.

Rees-Mogg and De Peffel; champions of the common man?  f'k off.
Report impossible123 September 24, 2019 1:50 PM BST
"We cannot leave without a deal because it is illegal (as well as being stupid economically)"

Wow! That is a bold statement to make/assume not even the supposedly "informed or learned" individuals MPs or otherwise would dare make - The gdp of The EU has only doubled since year 2000 with the new members (a proliferation since 2000) contributed a pitiful $1tr (total $18tr), but expenses multiplied many times.

I just cannot fathom how The present EU could be positive for The UK - it's more likely an impediment - given the annual humongous net contribution The UK make to The EU courtesy of the proliferation of new member states with diverse socio-economic system and status. It just does not work. And, The UK will have to contribute net $Bn(s) yearly to it to prop up this absolutely bizarre and stupid scenario.
Report 1st time poster September 24, 2019 1:50 PM BST
were going to be saved by selling the usa millions of cauliflowers and socks
sorry to  disappoint boris but 99.9% of the world can live without eating cauliflower in fact most would pay good money to avoid eating cauliflower
Report edy September 24, 2019 1:54 PM BST
Oy, no disrespecting cauliflower on my watch! Angry
Report 1st time poster September 24, 2019 1:54 PM BST
shark fin soup
cauliflowers
socks
tape measures

its took 3 years but there,s your Brexit benefits,
there,s probably even someone somewhere in the usa who wants to buy a tape measure to measure his feet to buy a pair of socks and wants shark fin soup and cauliflower for dinner, LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 1:55 PM BST
why are you so desprate to stay in the eu, it seems remainers only have one channel of vision and referendum results dont seem to matter to them, not many mps are for the people you can clearly see that in the way they want brexit stopped
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 1:58 PM BST
bigpop is the expert apparently on these matters, another remainer who seems to think democracy doesnt matter
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 24, 2019 1:58 PM BST
sell them worn socks and keep the collies...
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 2:00 PM BST
if you want me to spell it out bigpop, you voted leave or remain in 2016 , govermeant promised to deliver the result whichever way it went and all parties promised to respect the result
Report Angoose September 24, 2019 2:00 PM BST
He is carrying on as if nothing has changed. No apology will be forthcoming, zero display of contrition.
If so, the Rebel 21 will remain very much in the rebel camp. The possibility of a temporary coalition government must surely be back on the table.
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 2:04 PM BST
It’s neither here nor there if parliament resumes nothing is going to change

If Boris brings back a new deal or the old deal whatever Parliament will not vote for it

New Brexit MPs needed
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 2:06 PM BST
why should he say sorry, remainers should be apologizing for delaying the process
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 2:09 PM BST
like i said before this court process was pointless, it was only 4-5 days lost in all and as lfc has said whichever deal is put forward it wouldnt be voted thru anyway as ****s  lib and lab want another vote
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 2:09 PM BST
Corbyn again today in conference saying that no deal must not be an option

That’s anti democratic and overturning the referendum
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 2:11 PM BST
It really is quite unbelievable that Corbyn and labour and libdems can think they can get away with this
And they might
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 2:13 PM BST
he said something similar the other day

"we must respect the 2016 leave vote by getting a new deal and then holding another vote with leave or remain on the ballot paper"

rancid both libs and labour, what theyre doing now is so anti democratic
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 2:15 PM BST
Ah but he won’t allow a referendum the same as the first

With the option to leave with a clean break

Corbyns a liar
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 2:15 PM BST
theyre are some very stupid people who will vote for corbyn on the back of that speech
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 2:15 PM BST
remaoners seem to have gone quiet, they dont like the truth
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 2:16 PM BST
Many of them are not stupid , they know exactly what they are doing

That’s much worse I can assure you
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 2:17 PM BST
allright stupid ones and expert remainers
Report impossible123 September 24, 2019 2:21 PM BST
"Chicken" Corbyn is a disgrace: He voted down Mrs May agreed 'Deal'; he voted down a "No Deal"; he's against a General Election; he's against Labour for or against Brexit. But, he's the audacity to  criticise Bojo today - quite rightly for most, but not him.

The Labour Party idiotic leader needs to make his mind up - it's been 3 years since 32016 Referendum. It's really simple, either "For Brexit or Against Brexit"; sitting on the fudge means more fudge - it's no help for Labour canvassers or voters.
Report 1st time poster September 24, 2019 2:23 PM BST
REMAONERSS ARE STILL confused as to why 80 erg members voting against deal twice means remainers stopped brexcit happening,or do you mean your  Brexit,not mine, or bob,peter harry,s brexit
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 24, 2019 2:25 PM BST
why did the erg members stop us leaving on 29  march lfc

might need a few posts to explain that
Report bigpoppapump September 24, 2019 2:25 PM BST
absolutely seething these lads

Laugh
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 2:26 PM BST
A clean Brexit that’s fine
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 24, 2019 2:29 PM BST
leaving agreement is just first part

had the erg passed mays bill and not blocked it they could get clean brexit now

whoops
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 2:29 PM BST
as may said no deal is better than a bad deal
Report 1st time poster September 24, 2019 2:30 PM BST
80% of mp,s mirrored by 80% of the public don't want to leave without a deal
if for no ther reason that they were promised one
not just promised one,promised a better one,easiest deal in history etc etc
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 2:31 PM BST
but libs and lab want delay and to confuse the matter further into the next century
Report bigpoppapump September 24, 2019 2:31 PM BST
you cannot say that 1st timer.  That would be based in reality, and these lads are going a different route.

just be gentle with them; they can say what they like on here, it's entirely harmless. 

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 2:33 PM BST
both sides lied and stretched the truth in the run upto the 2016 vote, the ballot paper said leave it didnt say deal or no deal
Report bigpoppapump September 24, 2019 2:34 PM BST
they honestly believe that geography can be ignored. 

we can 'make a clean break'.  because they read these phrases in their paper, and hear them on their telly, the think the worls isn't integrated, they think we can choose whether the EU exists or not.

They really really really believe it...

leave 'em alone, they're having a bad day

Happy

oh and, Parliament is sovereign.
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 24, 2019 2:34 PM BST
The seethe is strong in this one.
Report bigpoppapump September 24, 2019 2:35 PM BST
seething 

Laugh
Report 1st time poster September 24, 2019 2:36 PM BST
ballot paper in election just says labour bit if they promise in 1st budget to reduce income tax by 10% and put it up by 10%
20 million people don't say fair enough it just said labour on ballot paper LaughLaugh
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 2:37 PM BST
those words were " should the united kingdom remain a member of the european union or leave the european union "  " remain or leave "

nothin about we cant leave without a deal
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 2:40 PM BST
bigpop you really are a sad indidival
Report bigpoppapump September 24, 2019 2:40 PM BST
reality means we cannot leave without a deal. 

just observable reality.

nothing important or anything.

Laugh

and we elected this set of MPs since that Referendum and the triggering of A50 to act as our representatives in our interests.
Report impossible123 September 24, 2019 2:40 PM BST
^^
And English was supposed to be the 1st language of the land.
Report bigpoppapump September 24, 2019 2:41 PM BST
actually I'm very happy.  I live in a democracy where a minority government cannot shut down our sovereign parliament because it feels like it.

Happy
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 2:43 PM BST
oh democracy is where two of the three main parties decide that a vote doesnt matter and we can do our own thing
Report InsiderTrader September 24, 2019 2:46 PM BST
----you-have-to-laugh---
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why did the erg members stop us leaving on 29  march lfc

might need a few posts to explain that

^

Firstly they didn't. Even if the whole ERG had voted for the new Treaty it was have not got through parliament.

Secondly, the Treaty that Mrs May did with the EU was BINO. It left us in a situation where we could not leave the Single Market and Customs Union unless the EU said we could leave. During that time we would have to pay tax to the EU with no representation on the laws, rules and taxes set by the EU. It was an unacceptable Treaty to both leavers and remainers.

The way I think most people see it is they either want to remain or they want to leave the ECJ, the CU and the SM.

A halfway house compromise suits no one.

I thought that was what the referendum in 2016 was.

It appears remainers now say it was not that question.

They say no one voted to leave the ECJ, CU and SM. (No one in the 1975 referendum voted for Maastrict or for allowing many poorer countries to have free movement of people into the UK. They just voted to be in the EEC the same as people voted to leave the EU in 2016. )

But why are both the lLibDems and Labour refusing to having leaving the ECJ, CU and SM on a new referendum (LibDems refusing any referendum now)?

It makes no sense. They want a public vote but they will not allow us to vote on the key thing many of us voted for in 2016.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 24, 2019 2:49 PM BST
once again a long post, from it, which starts with an untruth

can they not help themselves by sticking to the truth?
Report bigpoppapump September 24, 2019 2:49 PM BST
you're going to have stop seething, take a deep breath, and accept there are no numbers for no deal.

the attempt, by Parliament, to respect the referendum and make an exit deal with the EU was stymied by MPs from the ERG because they want no deal (because of their disaster capitalist and right wing media billionaire backers) and by those from the Remain side of the argument who could see it was pointless (to leave simply because of the referendum result, rather than because of what was best for the people's jobs/health/education etc). 

No numbers for no deal
no numbers for TM's deal

almost as if the idea of the referendum was to win an argument within the Tory Party rather than actually be a revolution in 40 years of domestic and foreign policy.

Crikey. 

A bit of reality for you

Laugh
Report bigpoppapump September 24, 2019 2:51 PM BST
I love that IT wants the ERG voting against leaving the EU to be something he can 'explain'

brilliant

Laugh
Report bigpoppapump September 24, 2019 2:57 PM BST
It's probably easily tested isn't it?

Rather than have a referendum fought along the lines of 'easiest deal of all time' don't worry, you can have exactly what you've got now, only with bigger t1ts etc. and we can leave.

Or you could have a ballot paper which offers two choices:

Remain
Leave without a deal

I cannot imagine anything easier.  Because we have spent more than 3 years pi55ing around proving the idea of a deal is nonsense.
Report 1st time poster September 24, 2019 3:04 PM BST
why don't brexiteers just to pass the time away tell us what they,d be campaigning on if we had a 2nd reff

please don't tell me
kippers
shark fin soup
cauliflowers
rees moggs nanny vat free shoes

is it,is that it
Report unitedbiscuits September 24, 2019 3:04 PM BST
Leave or Remain.
#putitbacktothepeople
We know the arguments, we know the terms of remain. The terms of Leave would be whatever pertains on polling day.
Simple. Purifying. Binding not advisory.
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 3:04 PM BST
you would love another vote wouldnt you bigpop just to overturn the result, the general population isnt the problem its the mps in parliament, what if leave won again another vote until remain won, you live in fantasy land if you think another vote will sort it out
Report unitedbiscuits September 24, 2019 3:06 PM BST
It literally WOULD sort it out as the referendum would be binding.
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 3:07 PM BST
no it wouldn’t
Report InsiderTrader September 24, 2019 3:07 PM BST
----you-have-to-laugh---
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once again a long post, from it, which starts with an untruth

can they not help themselves by sticking to the truth?

^

What is the untruth?
Report gutfeeling September 24, 2019 3:08 PM BST
Is Lord Skywalker really Mark Francois.
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 3:09 PM BST
You can’t have  a referendum in which people voted for no deal
And then refuse to implement that
And put another ref to the people with no deal missing
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 3:09 PM BST
remoaners would still argue the toss and court cases for years with remainer judges

The referendum was not legally binding. There’s no one source that can prove this statement true (although here’s a respectable one). That follows from the fact that the European Union Referendum Act 2015 didn’t say anything about implementing the result of the vote. It just provided that there should be one.


govermeant promised to implentment the result and the fact not one source can prove that the 2016 vote wasnt legally binding
Report gutfeeling September 24, 2019 3:10 PM BST
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Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 3:10 PM BST
^ blocked ages ago
Report gutfeeling September 24, 2019 3:11 PM BST
Calm down Francois, You'll blow a fuse man.
Report 1st time poster September 24, 2019 3:12 PM BST
you could argue correctly that the reff was only advisory and the bloke who said he,d implement it Cameron,didnt hang around to keep his promise
Report dave1357 September 24, 2019 3:12 PM BST
lfc post count for thread 41

lfc seethe rating: incandescent
Report unitedbiscuits September 24, 2019 3:13 PM BST
We're just going to clarify that very point with a #peoplesvote, lfc1971.
Of course, Brexiters may calculate that they have more chance of winning the referendum with a deal on the table but that is a matter for them.
Bring it on.
It is the will of the people to vote again and thank heavens that the kingdom's democratic pulse is strong.
Report n88uk September 24, 2019 3:13 PM BST
The 2016 vote wasn't legally binding for quite a simple reason, that you can't make a referendum legally binding without a predetermined process before it starts. So you'd have to have negotiated leave before a referendum was even called, and of course we know this didn't happen as leave was never defined. How can it be legally binding otherwise when one of the options is dependent on another power outside UK jurisdiction.
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 3:14 PM BST
It will be interesting to see what Cummings comes up with next

Hopefully he starts to earn some of his salary
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 3:15 PM BST
What about the Scottish ref n88
Was that different ?
And the next Scottish ref ...
Report unitedbiscuits September 24, 2019 3:18 PM BST
The 2016 vote wasn't legally binding for quite a simple reason, that you can't make a referendum legally binding without a predetermined process before it starts. So you'd have to have negotiated leave before a referendum was even called, and of course we know this didn't happen as leave was never defined. How can it be legally binding otherwise when one of the options is dependent on another power outside UK jurisdiction.

There's May's deal or there's Johnson's hoped for deal or there's no deal - each is a predetermined process that could be voted for but only one option will pertain on polling day. Leave can't have all three, that was a flaw of the '16 ref..
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 3:21 PM BST
I don’t think that’s right ub

Of course if we have to have another referendum then a clean break can be put to the people again
Put it in the ballot
Report lord skywalker September 24, 2019 3:23 PM BST
reaminers dont listen do they , from the fullfact.org website "The referendum was not legally binding. There’s no one source that can prove this statement true (although here’s a respectable one). That follows from the fact that the European Union Referendum Act 2015 didn’t say anything about implementing the result of the vote. It just provided that there should be one."


so no one can say it was not legally binding and that means no one
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 24, 2019 3:23 PM BST
dont forget deal in kent

nor king boris


king boris , deal in kent

a tongue twister  for today
Report InsiderTrader September 24, 2019 3:24 PM BST
Voting to leave the EU was just that. No mention of a deal being required.

Just as voting to remain in 1975 was just that. To remain. No mention of Maastrict or the EU or very poor countries get free movement of people in that.
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 3:26 PM BST
The remainers , and  Corbyn and lab and libdens
Will try and stop us leaving and try to make sure the original referendum is not voted in again

Disgraceful people
Report unitedbiscuits September 24, 2019 3:26 PM BST
Where is the difficulty?

Leave is a vote for leaving the EU. If Govt. has a deal in place on polling day, then we leave on those terms, next day; if we don't have a deal on polling day, we leave with no-deal, next day. If Leave wins the referendum.
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 3:27 PM BST
If they succeed , and they might

It will be the most disgraceful act of treachery  in Britain’s long history
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 3:29 PM BST
Put it on the ballot

Do you wish to leave the EU , cu , sm ecj and stop freedom of movement

or do you wish to remain

Same as the first time

What’s difficult to understand ?
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 3:31 PM BST
Put that in the manifesto for tories and Brexit

And labour can put remain in there’s
Report impossible123 September 24, 2019 3:31 PM BST
'n88uk', you're a clever clog! I wonder why the country's legal eagles and that of The EU never even thought of that. A new one along with the many folly excuses use by the losing 'Remainers' about Brexit.

Keep digging!
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 3:31 PM BST
And libdem in theirs
Report unitedbiscuits September 24, 2019 3:32 PM BST
A less charitable group would simply have decided by now that Leavers are too incompetent to succeed and simply cancel the project but Remainers are very patient, understanding and scrupulous: we just need to check if this is really what the country wants.
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 3:33 PM BST
Farage is watching quietly , and waiting Happy
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 3:34 PM BST
The Brexiteers have been very polite and shown great forbearance
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 3:35 PM BST
time hopefully is almost up
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 3:36 PM BST
Well we can’t still be here in a years time , can we ? :)
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 24, 2019 3:36 PM BST
tick tock
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2019 3:38 PM BST
I suppose anythings possible
Report Whisperingdeath September 24, 2019 3:59 PM BST
Wallflower24 Sep 19 13:40

Imagine Jacob Rees Mogg went to prorogue parliament againGrinGrin.

Popcorn time -  Frau Saxe-Coburg-Gotha says "come in you f*ckwit, its time we had a little chat".Shocked


My post of the day and probably the week!

Unfortunately wasted on some of the morons on hereWink
Report Whisperingdeath September 24, 2019 4:03 PM BST

lord skywalker24 Sep 19 15:23

reaminers dont listen do they , from the fullfact.org website "The referendum was not legally binding. There’s no one source that can prove this statement true (although here’s a respectable one). That follows from the fact that the European Union Referendum Act 2015 didn’t say anything about implementing the result of the vote. It just provided that there should be one."


so no one can say it was not legally binding and that means no one


The seethe is strong in this one it is!

Just to say I went to the Royal Albert hall last night to see The Empire Strikes back with a full Orchestra in the round. Bloody good I have to say even if I am from Gillingham.

So if no one can say it was not legally binding take it to Court! Oh and maybe employ Gina Miller's solicitors!
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 24, 2019 4:10 PM BST
bj has been told the european court cannot hear his appeal

until 3rd november Laugh
Report Whisperingdeath September 24, 2019 4:17 PM BST
No sign of that " Stop Brexit " geezer outside Parliament!

It is raining cat and dog out there! Must be an EU plot!
Report n88uk September 24, 2019 4:23 PM BST
Geoffrey Cox apparently advised the prorogation was legal anyone saying otherwise was doing so for political reasons. So he will be the fall guy I presume and finished.
Report Angoose September 24, 2019 4:24 PM BST
To be fair to Coxy, it was widely believed to be legal, there will have been no lack of top drawer lawyers who would have provided such advice.
Report n88uk September 24, 2019 4:25 PM BST
Probably purposely leaked to take some focus off Boris, put the blame on someone else.
Report Angoose September 24, 2019 4:25 PM BST
Remember, the English High Court initially ruled that it wasn't a matter for them
Report Angoose September 24, 2019 4:26 PM BST

Sep 24, 2019 -- 10:25AM, n88uk wrote:


Probably purposely leaked to take some focus off Boris, put the blame on someone else.


100% 
Cummings is clearly being retained so some other poor sod has to take the heat.
Cummings being the man who has said he will slaughter leakers will have been behind this one.

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