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Report anxious September 3, 2019 11:50 PM BST
They never said he would become Labour leader 125-1 first time round , then he won again, they said he would be slaughtered in 2017 election , he increased the Labour vote
Report jucel69 September 3, 2019 11:51 PM BST

Sep 3, 2019 -- 5:50PM, anxious wrote:


They never said he would become Labour leader 125-1 first time round , then he won again, they said he would be slaughtered in 2017 election , he increased the Labour vote


only by lying

Report Angoose September 3, 2019 11:51 PM BST
And anyway, shouldn't you be checking the Old Trafford weather forecast Happy
Report jucel69 September 3, 2019 11:51 PM BST
the man is a complete joke
Report anxious September 3, 2019 11:51 PM BST
lol the spivs have lied for over 150 years
Report jucel69 September 3, 2019 11:51 PM BST

Sep 3, 2019 -- 5:51PM, Angoose wrote:


And anyway, shouldn't you be checking the Old Trafford weather forecast


I can multitask I've got a few screens!

Report Angoose September 3, 2019 11:52 PM BST

Sep 3, 2019 -- 5:51PM, jucel69 wrote:


the man is a complete joke


Sorry, but that is a man down the pub meaningless statement

Report anxious September 3, 2019 11:52 PM BST
Hey you guys im From Manchester and its going to rain a bit
Report ColeWorldNoBlanket September 3, 2019 11:52 PM BST
Are the Tories even going to have enough candidates to run in every seat Laugh
Report anxious September 3, 2019 11:52 PM BST
Australia to win for me
Report politicspunter September 3, 2019 11:53 PM BST

Sep 3, 2019 -- 5:52PM, ColeWorldNoBlanket wrote:


Are the Tories even going to have enough candidates to run in every seat


They can amalgamate with UKIP, who can't field a full compliment.

Report jucel69 September 3, 2019 11:54 PM BST

Sep 3, 2019 -- 5:52PM, Angoose wrote:


Sep  3, 2019 -- 11:51PM, jucel69 wrote:the man is a complete jokeSorry, but that is a man down the pub meaningless statement


I've already stated above my thoughts on him as a man and a 'leader'

Report subversion September 4, 2019 12:03 AM BST
theresa may photographed leaving parliament laughing her @rse off Laugh Laugh Laugh
Report SontaranStratagem September 4, 2019 12:04 AM BST
Theresa May has nothing to laugh about, she was mind numbing tedium

Johnson has at least got some laughs in him, rees mogg is funny as well

May bored everyone to sleep
Report lfc1971 September 4, 2019 12:05 AM BST
Time is on Boris’ side
Report Angoose September 4, 2019 12:07 AM BST
The Tory MP, Rory Stewart, appeared to confirm he would not stand as an MP at any upcoming general election after rebelling against the government tonight. Speaking at the GQ Men of the Year Awards in London, he said:

Politics is at an all-time low at the moment all over the world and it is great you continue to take an interest in it. We have a lot of work to do to regain anybody’s trust.

But I want to finish by saying this is a pretty special evening in many ways because, when I voted against the government this evening, I heard that my whip has been removed.

It’s likely tomorrow that there’s going to be an election and I’m not going to be able to stand as the member of Parliament because Boris [Johnson] has decided he doesn’t want me in the party.

I am very proud to take the award as politician of the year on the evening which I cease to be a politician.
Report subversion September 4, 2019 12:08 AM BST
yep, lets give boris more time... i wonder how many more Tory MPs he can sack Laugh
Report lfc1971 September 4, 2019 12:08 AM BST
Bye bye
Report lfc1971 September 4, 2019 12:09 AM BST
Every mp can be replaced , that’s the funny thing when someone leaves a job
no one is missed
Report anxious September 4, 2019 12:10 AM BST
Spiv Culture end of  very soon , rejoice rejoice
Report jucel69 September 4, 2019 12:10 AM BST

Sep 3, 2019 -- 6:07PM, Angoose wrote:


The Tory MP, Rory Stewart, appeared to confirm he would not stand as an MP at any upcoming general election after rebelling against the government tonight. Speaking at the GQ Men of the Year Awards in London, he said: Politics is at an all-time low at the moment all over the world and it is great you continue to take an interest in it. We have a lot of work to do to regain anybody’s trust.But I want to finish by saying this is a pretty special evening in many ways because, when I voted against the government this evening, I heard that my whip has been removed.It’s likely tomorrow that there’s going to be an election and I’m not going to be able to stand as the member of Parliament because Boris [Johnson] has decided he doesn’t want me in the party.I am very proud to take the award as politician of the year on the evening which I cease to be a politician.


He hasn't

Report subversion September 4, 2019 12:10 AM BST
agreed, those 13 Tory MPs in scotland going to be replaced with SNP ones very, very soon Laugh
Report Angoose September 4, 2019 12:11 AM BST
That's why it says appeared
Report lfc1971 September 4, 2019 12:12 AM BST
England will decide, thanks
Report n88uk September 4, 2019 12:13 AM BST

Sep 3, 2019 -- 6:07PM, Angoose wrote:


The Tory MP, Rory Stewart, appeared to confirm he would not stand as an MP at any upcoming general election after rebelling against the government tonight. Speaking at the GQ Men of the Year Awards in London, he said: Politics is at an all-time low at the moment all over the world and it is great you continue to take an interest in it. We have a lot of work to do to regain anybody’s trust.But I want to finish by saying this is a pretty special evening in many ways because, when I voted against the government this evening, I heard that my whip has been removed.It’s likely tomorrow that there’s going to be an election and I’m not going to be able to stand as the member of Parliament because Boris [Johnson] has decided he doesn’t want me in the party.I am very proud to take the award as politician of the year on the evening which I cease to be a politician.


He's said he will continue to be an MP on Twitter so that's not what he meant.

Report subversion September 4, 2019 12:13 AM BST
such a shame SNP MP votes count towards a majority in parliament, eh? Laugh

next GE, Tories start with a 13 MP handicap Laugh
Report politicspunter September 4, 2019 12:13 AM BST
Ah but by moving the proposed election date from the 14th to the 15th October in order to avoid the Jewish religious holiday, he has probably held three seats in London that were iffy at best.
Report jucel69 September 4, 2019 12:14 AM BST

Sep 3, 2019 -- 6:11PM, Angoose wrote:


That's why it says appeared


Rory Stewart
@RoryStewartUK
Strange that a decision has been made to remove the whip from so many colleagues who were ministers so recently. Particularly when we voted repeatedly for a Brexit deal. I can’t think of a historical precedent. But I am not stepping down as an MP.

Report lfc1971 September 4, 2019 12:17 AM BST
He’s gone for good
Report anxious September 4, 2019 12:17 AM BST
Hey guys what i think most can agree on is that the Spivs need to be defeated , in a few weeks the choice wil come around, lets get rid of the trickle down merchants once and for all
Report anxious September 4, 2019 12:18 AM BST
snp , labour , plaid  , lib dems  lets get ready to get rid of this filth from destroying our great Country
Report jucel69 September 4, 2019 12:24 AM BST

Sep 3, 2019 -- 6:18PM, anxious wrote:


snp , labour , plaid

Report thegiggilo September 4, 2019 12:24 AM BST
Why would labour agree to an election before november insanity..
Report subversion September 4, 2019 12:26 AM BST
why interrupt boris when he's busy tearing the Tory party apart? give him more time to finish the job! Laugh
Report jucel69 September 4, 2019 12:27 AM BST

Sep 3, 2019 -- 6:18PM, anxious wrote:


snp , labour , plaid  , lib dems  lets get ready to get rid of this filth from destroying our great Country


> get out of the 1950s ffs
Big unions and mass manufacturing are gone for good.
Small mindedness like that is what brought the UK to it's knees under Labour in the 70s

Report jucel69 September 4, 2019 12:28 AM BST
Nobody really used prorogue until a few weeks ago
Be prepared for fillybustering to be on everyone's lipsGrin
Report subversion September 4, 2019 12:29 AM BST
fillybustering? what have female horses got to do with this?
Report anxious September 4, 2019 12:33 AM BST
Juice you disappoint me can you not realise that trickle down has failed my Country , its created terrible unequal society the only one to profit are the greed is good brigade
Report anxious September 4, 2019 12:35 AM BST
How much lies will they tell about Britain a great country destroyed by trickle down and its cheerleaders
Report jucel69 September 4, 2019 12:43 AM BST

Sep 3, 2019 -- 6:33PM, anxious wrote:


Juice you disappoint me can you not realise that trickle down has failed my Country , its created terrible unequal society the only one to profit are the greed is good brigade


When was there equality ?
Life isn't fair, you just have to play the cards you are dealt with
Compared to most sh1tholes in the world Brits get a great deal.
Socialism never has and never will work
Not saying this is great but it's the best alternative

Two things I'm sure we agree on
1) Banks should be held responsible for their actions and not bailed out
2) Tax avoidance should be stamped out

All this quibbling about tax cuts or increases is pennies, the real cost to an economy is avoidance

Report jucel69 September 4, 2019 12:51 AM BST
And I'm not a Conservative per se.
Whatever happened to personal responsibility, self reliance and pride

I'm just anti socialism and all it stands for.
There isn't really a party that I could get behind wholeheartedly
Report anxious September 4, 2019 12:53 AM BST
hey i can agrre with you there on some things , but please public services have been decimated , social care for the old and vulnerable , police cuts ,  there has been something like a 30 per cent cut since 2010 that is a national disgrace
Report anxious September 4, 2019 12:55 AM BST
Stop the abuses of the rip off private cowboy firms , they have fleeced the country , its a disgrace
Report jucel69 September 4, 2019 1:12 AM BST

Sep 3, 2019 -- 6:53PM, anxious wrote:


hey i can agrre with you there on some things , but please public services have been decimated , social care for the old and vulnerable , police cuts ,

Report jucel69 September 4, 2019 4:42 AM BST
Wonder what would happen if one of the Lords had a heart attack whilst debating.
Surely they would call a recess for the day out of respect?
Report jucel69 September 4, 2019 7:35 AM BST
Busy day in parly today:
-MPs aiming to pass all stages of the Benn bill (avoiding no deal on 31 Oct) by 7pm
-Govt has tabled an early election motion to be debated straight after
-Lords trying to pass motion to timetable bill through Lords on Thurs/Fri - *86* amdts been tabled
Report potlis September 4, 2019 7:58 AM BST
Nothing magical about Davison leadership in Scotland other than she offered a home to the 39% of Scots who voted to leave, only party leader in Scotland who called for the referendum result to be respected, unless those 39% have all emigrated they will still be there for the Tories to sweep up.
Report politicspunter September 4, 2019 8:00 AM BST

Sep 4, 2019 -- 1:58AM, potlis wrote:


Nothing magical about Davison leadership in Scotland other than she offered a home to the 39% of Scots who voted to leave, only party leader in Scotland who called for the referendum result to be respected, unless those 39% have all emigrated they will still be there for the Tories to sweep up.


Lol, Davidson was the biggest REMAIN supporter in the UK. Don't you remember her in the debates?

Report potlis September 4, 2019 8:05 AM BST
Corbyn doesn't know if he's coming or going, Monday he wanted GE, yesterday he didn't , today he's not sure.
Report ColeWorldNoBlanket September 4, 2019 8:09 AM BST
He's putting the national interest first by making sure no deal is off the table before an election and dethroning Boris Cool
Report potlis September 4, 2019 8:09 AM BST
"Lol, Davidson was the biggest REMAIN supporter in the UK. Don't you remember her in the debates?"

Read the post, she was also the only leader AFTER the referendum who call for the result to be respected, a natural home for those 39% of Scots who voted leave.
Report politicspunter September 4, 2019 8:59 AM BST

Sep 4, 2019 -- 2:09AM, potlis wrote:


"Lol, Davidson was the biggest REMAIN supporter in the UK. Don't you remember her in the debates?"Read the post, she was also the only leader AFTER the referendum who call for the result to be respected, a natural home for those 39% of Scots who voted leave.


So you are saying that in Scotland, only Davidson called for the result to be respected?

Report politicspunter September 4, 2019 9:01 AM BST
And you are under the totally mistaken impression that only Conservative voters in Scotland voted leave. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Report brigust1 September 4, 2019 9:33 AM BST
Teresa May's deal is coming back any time soon. If Boris loses the vote today, and that is not a given, the May deal is the next step. We leave.
Report Angoose September 4, 2019 9:42 AM BST
And when the ERG vote against it, let's see him purge them from the party as he clearly stated he would in the house just yesterday.

In response to Tory Huw Merriman in the Commons, Johnson confirmed the same rules would apply.

“I think you can take it that... what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander,” the prime minister said.

Merriman had asked: “In order to get the leverage to get this great deal through that the prime minister is working on he has said that any (MP) on these benches who doesn’t vote tonight in support of the government will lose the whip and indeed not be able to stand again as a Conservative MP.

“Working on that basis in the event that a deal is reached, which I very much hope there will be, will that treatment apply to those MPs who don’t vote for his great deal?”
Report politicspunter September 4, 2019 9:43 AM BST

Sep 4, 2019 -- 3:33AM, brigust1 wrote:


Teresa May's deal is coming back any time soon. If Boris loses the vote today, and that is not a given, the May deal is the next step. We leave.


I have always felt that is the best compromise solution.

Report Angoose September 4, 2019 9:52 AM BST
In his morning London Playbook briefing for Politico Europe, Jack Blanchard has some more evidence of the backlash in the Conservative party against Boris Johnson’s decision to remove the whip from the 21 Tory rebels. Here’s an extract.

‘Richard bloody Benyon?’ Despite all the threats and aggressive briefings from No. 10 in lead-up, plenty of Tory MPs and aides were still gobsmacked by the unprecedented purge of the moderates we saw last night. When was the last time any major political party threw out more than 20 of its MPs for disobeying orders? Worryingly for Downing Street, even slavishly loyal Brexiteers were unnerved. “It’s like something out of North Korea,” one normally supportive No. 10 aide phoned Playbook to say. “I honestly think they’ve completely overreached. They have f***ed this up. We look bonkers. You’re trying to frame it as parliament vs. the people — and then you deselect 20-odd of your own MPs, including Winston Churchill’s grandson? I mean — deselecting Philip Hammond is one thing, but Richard bloody Benyon? Imagine what we’d be saying if Corbyn did something like this” ...

Caught in the middle: Centrist Tory MPs such as ex-Minister Tobias Ellwood told my colleague Annabelle Dickson they too were worried by Downing Street’s response. “It is a sad day indeed when the grandson of Churchill is threatened with deselection,” Ellwood said. “We shouldn’t lose sight of the party we used to be — an open, center-right, one nation, progressive party. Given how many people rebelled under Theresa May’s government it is a worrying precedent that has been set.” Another Tory MP told her the deselections were “completely unacceptable,” adding: “There are a lot of moderate people who won’t be at all happy with this.”
Report potlis September 4, 2019 10:08 AM BST
"And you are under the totally mistaken impression that only Conservative voters in Scotland voted leave. Nothing could be farther from the truth."

???

No, I'm under the impression that Scottish Labour and SNP leave voters would have voted Conservative after the referendum because of the stance taken by the other party's.

The figures speak for themselves, almost zero success before the referendum 12seats after, the votes had to come from somewhere and there had to be a reason.
Report politicspunter September 4, 2019 10:13 AM BST
The votes did come from somewhere, they were unionists who supported Ruth Davidson who carried a huge personal vote. There is next to no chance that SNP leave voters voted Conservative (they voted SNP).
Report flushgordon1 September 4, 2019 10:22 AM BST
Pish
Report potlis September 4, 2019 10:29 AM BST
So your claiming not a single SNP supporter voted leave, and Scottish labour votes just vanished like a fart in the wind.
Report potlis September 4, 2019 10:38 AM BST
THE HERALD

A report by the National Centre for Social Research[NatCen] said the snapshot of 1,391 people between September 22 and October 24 showed the same proportion, 36 per cent, of Nationalist supporters as Labour voters voted for Leave.

It also said all parties with the exception of Ukip saw a "significant" proportion of their backers vote against their leaders' advice. Even 26 per cent of supporters of the pro-European Liberal Democrats voted Leave, it claimed.
Report politicspunter September 4, 2019 10:39 AM BST

Sep 4, 2019 -- 4:29AM, potlis wrote:


So your claiming not a single SNP supporter voted leave, and Scottish labour votes just vanished like a fart in the wind.


Plenty of SNP supporters voted leave, 36% of them actually, but that doesn't mean that they voted Conservative in the 2017 election. Scottish Labour voters supported their party to the extent they gained six seats.
Unionists work together in individual constituencies to defeat the SNP, whichever unionist has the best chance, that's the one that gets the votes.

Report potlis September 4, 2019 11:00 AM BST
"There is next to no chance that SNP leave voters voted Conservative"

And you know that how? 

"doesn't mean that they voted Conservative in the 2017 election"

And it doesn't mean didn't.

You read the results as you wish and I will do the same.
Report politicspunter September 4, 2019 11:04 AM BST
You seem to be confusing Leave voters and Conservative voters, they are not the same. In fact 42% of Conservative supporters voted remain, the same as 36% of SNP supporters voted leave. Too many people are under the impression that the way you cast your vote in the 2016 EU referendum dictates which party you vote for in a general  election. It doesn't.
Report potlis September 4, 2019 11:28 AM BST
Not confused at all, my original point is quite straight forward, Davidson had near to zero success before the referendum but great success after, I believe this is due to disgruntled leave voters switching sides.
Now you can muddy the waters all you like with your deep political analysis, but it's quite straight forward really, leave voters switched to Conservatives due to the response after the referendum.
We will shortly find out who is right or wrong , according to a previous poster the Conservatives are about to lose all those Scottish gains in the upcoming GE, we will see.
Report politicspunter September 4, 2019 11:37 AM BST
You simply don't understand how it works in Scotland. If you were trying to say that how Scots voted in the independence referendum had a direct impact on which political party they voted for, you would be correct. Instead you are saying that leave voters from the likes of the SNP switched to the Conservatives which is ludicrous. Next you will be saying that all the remain supporting Conservatives (42% of them) switched to the SNP.
Report politicspunter September 4, 2019 11:43 AM BST
And if you think Ruth Davidson had "near to zero success" before the EU referendum perhaps you may reconsider when I tell you that under her leadership the Conservatives more than doubled their seats at the 2016 Scottish Parliament elections.
Report potlis September 4, 2019 12:36 PM BST
"Next you will be saying that all the remain supporting Conservatives (42% of them) switched to the SNP."

Your just being silly now, and a little jumped-up to assume you know what I will say next when you can't grasp what I've said already.

I've given my opinion, you don't agree, that's just tough, I can happily live with your disapproval, others can make their own minds up on the merits of the argument.
Report politicspunter September 4, 2019 12:46 PM BST
Your argument is that 2016 EU referendum leave voting SNP supporters voted Conservative at the 2017 General election as their vote in that referendum placed a higher priority on it than which political party they supported.
It follows then surely, that remain voting Conservatives switched to the SNP in the 2017 General election, according to your logic?
Report potlis September 4, 2019 4:51 PM BST
"It follows then surely, that remain voting Conservatives switched to the SNP in the 2017 General election, according to your logic?"

No, it doesn't follow at all, my arguments based on the Conservatives winning seats, your claim would be based on the SNP losing 21 seats, obvious nonsense.

Quite clear that many leave voters switched to Conservatives after the referendum, results make that clear, and nothing you have posted so far proves otherwise, show us how they didn't or shut up.
Report politicspunter September 4, 2019 5:23 PM BST

Sep 4, 2019 -- 10:51AM, potlis wrote:


"It follows then surely, that remain voting Conservatives switched to the SNP in the 2017 General election, according to your logic?"No, it doesn't follow at all, my arguments based on the Conservatives winning seats, your claim would be based on the SNP losing 21 seats, obvious nonsense.Quite clear that many leave voters switched to Conservatives after the referendum, results make that clear, and nothing you have posted so far proves otherwise, show us how they didn't or shut up.


Results make it anything but clear. It is your opinion, without any foundation or basis in fact and you are wrong. The Conservatives gained their seats by having a very strong Scottish leader in the shape of Ruth Davidson who carried a huge personal support and had already proved her credentials by more than doubling the Conservative representation at Holyrood in the  2016 Scottish Parliament elections, incidentally, before the EU referendum had even taken place.
In Scotland you fail to understand the difference between unionist parties and independence parties, there is very little switching from one group to the other. However, there is more movement within unionist parties who work together to try and defeat the independent constituency candidate. This has and will always been the case.

Report potlis September 4, 2019 5:49 PM BST
Of course it's my opinion, and it's perfectly valid, again a long winded post from you that does nothing to prove otherwise.
Your contention is that it was Davidson personality that was soley responsible for Conservative success, mine is that it was her attitude towards the referendum result that brought leave voters over.

By your logic all seats gained will be lost without Davidson leadership, as I said, we will find out at the GE.
Report politicspunter September 4, 2019 6:04 PM BST

Sep 4, 2019 -- 11:49AM, potlis wrote:


Of course it's my opinion, and it's perfectly valid, again a long winded post from you that does nothing to prove otherwise.Your contention is that it was Davidson personality that was soley responsible for Conservative success, mine is that it was her attitude towards the referendum result that brought leave voters over.By your logic all seats gained will be lost without Davidson leadership, as I said, we will find out at the GE.


Now then, that will be the proof of the pudding will it? I am happy to stand by my contention of Ruths positive impact on the tory seat gains. Ruth resigned as Scottish Conservative leader on 29th August as she could not support Boris's no deal brexit. Here is a Scotland poll from yougov conducted 30th August-3rd September...

SNP 43%
Con 20%
Lab 15%
LibDem 12%
Brexit 6%
Green 4%

On those figures the SNP would win 51 of 59 Scotland seats (up 16), Conservatives would win 3 seats (down 10).

Report potlis September 4, 2019 6:11 PM BST
Opinion poll, lol
Let's wait for the actual results shall we, shouldn't be a long wait.
Report politicspunter September 4, 2019 6:12 PM BST
Opinion polls are a licence to print money for punters. You should study them.
Report SontaranStratagem September 4, 2019 7:02 PM BST
good ole bozo lost another today

He don't care, it'll just be him and Rees Mogg soon, Rees Mogg will have plenty of room to slouch soon
Report thegiggilo September 4, 2019 7:34 PM BST
Think the tories might not even get 20% yet in scotland after this johnson fiasco..
Report jucel69 September 5, 2019 12:56 AM BST
It's great watching this filibustering in the lords on BBC parliament channel, it started at 15.36pm and they are only on amendment 2 of 86..this bill may yet die on it's arse.
Report jucel69 September 5, 2019 12:57 AM BST
Deserves to die after the liberties Bercow has taken!
Report jucel69 September 5, 2019 1:35 AM BST
The Lords have given up, the bill will now pass by 5pm on Friday
Report n88uk September 5, 2019 2:28 AM BST
It doesn't actually matter what the actual time is/day is. As long as the Lords is sitting continuously it's still Wednesday as far as the Lords is concerned, so it could be 5pm on Friday and still be Wednesday in the Lords.
Report n88uk September 5, 2019 2:34 AM BST
Surprised the government caved so easily, maybe they have some as yet unseen trick up their sleeve (no idea what though). However to me it does all seem pointless and a huge waste of time, what's the point of delaying the approx 70 hours it was gonna take if you will lose in the end anyway, and it's hard to see how you don't lose when we can see in every vote that clearly the numbers are on the other side. Just seems a huge waste of everybody's time.
Report jucel69 September 5, 2019 2:38 AM BST
Probably would have made them sit over the weekend too
Report n88uk September 5, 2019 2:39 AM BST
Yer they were ready to sit over the weekend. I also read last week though not seen confirmed that you can't prorogue parliament while Lords is sitting, if that's true it was literally just a waste of time from the start as then it's clear there's the numbers to just rotate forever no matter how much filibustering you try.
Report jucel69 September 5, 2019 2:51 AM BST
Money coming for Oct GE
Report jucel69 September 5, 2019 2:51 AM BST

Sep 4, 2019 -- 8:39PM, n88uk wrote:


Yer they were ready to sit over the weekend. I also read last week though not seen confirmed that you can't prorogue parliament while Lords is sitting, if that's true it was literally just a waste of time from the start as then it's clear there's the numbers to just rotate forever no matter how much filibustering you try.


yeh that's true

Report n88uk September 5, 2019 2:54 AM BST

Sep 4, 2019 -- 8:51PM, jucel69 wrote:


Money coming for Oct GE


Well because now the theory will be that Labour/SNP might back one. I think they'd be mad to do so until this is actually enacted though.

There's rumours from no-one of substance on Twitter that they might have agreed to an election to get them to fold, seems unlikely to me though, given they would have likely won anyway and surely all the Labour decision makers are long in bed anyway.

Report n88uk September 5, 2019 2:54 AM BST
I imagine the government will have something up their sleeve, we will just see what.
Report brigust1 September 5, 2019 7:58 AM BST
I don't think Boris has any other option than to bring back May's deal. I think this has been the plan all along. He may wait until the EU discussions in October to see if he can get a little tweek somewhere but I have always thought that was his plan. And that is why he has firmly stressed he will be leaving on 31st Oct. I can see no other reason why he could have been so confident.
Report Angoose September 5, 2019 8:51 AM BST
Also, if there is an election, Boris either gets a majority and thus remains in No. 10.

Or we get a hung parliament, and, at least initially, he remains in No. 10, using squatters rights, whilst the squabbling goes on to form a coalition or another dirty confidence and supply arrangement.

As for MV4, that is a definite possibility.
If it does come back to the house, the ERG have stated that they will reject it, and Boris has stated that they would then be purged.

He has some wriggle room over the ERG though.
Report brigust1 September 5, 2019 9:45 AM BST
Boris will not want to take on Farage in an election. By recycling May's deal he can deal with the Brexit party, the Stop Brexit Lib Dems and now the remain Labour party. When he hired Cummings I went through the possibilities and he has followed the predicted route. And the predicted results leave us where we are. No surprises. In fact to help the cause and to ensure the majority get behind him when he presents May's deal, he sacked 21 rebels and will return the whip any day soon. This is almost text book planning.
Report n88uk September 5, 2019 10:51 AM BST
Unless the prorogue is overturned somehow, there is no way to get May's deal passed and legislated for by Oct 31st even if that was the plan.
Report Angoose September 5, 2019 10:56 AM BST
Who knows anymore, but overturn the prorogue and cancel conference season to get it done.
Thing is, you get the feeling that it simply wouldn't pass, even now.
Report brigust1 September 5, 2019 11:57 AM BST
The current plan is to wait until the next EU council in mid October where Boris is saying he hopes to come back with a deal. That is when he will produce May's, possibly tweaked, deal. There will be a vote and the deal will pass. Neither the Tories nor Labour want to fight the Brexit party in an election.
Report Angoose September 5, 2019 12:00 PM BST
Slight nuance to that, Labour would be happy enough to take them on in an election post 31 October when Boris has failed to get either a deal or out of the EU.
Report politicspunter September 5, 2019 12:02 PM BST

Sep 5, 2019 -- 5:57AM, brigust1 wrote:


The current plan is to wait until the next EU council in mid October where Boris is saying he hopes to come back with a deal. That is when he will produce May's, possibly tweaked, deal. There will be a vote and the deal will pass. Neither the Tories nor Labour want to fight the Brexit party in an election.


I think Labour would be delighted to have the Brexit Party competing in a general election.

Report brigust1 September 5, 2019 12:17 PM BST
Jo Johnson has today resigned as an MP and a Minister. He was an arch remainer in a Leave party and opposed Theresa May continually.
Another point to consider is with reference to timing. Why today? Is it because Boris is making a public statement today. Will he mention May's deal?
Report Angoose September 5, 2019 12:22 PM BST
Why today?

He was, apparently, furious with the purge, and he wanted to make the biggest impact he could.

The big mistake Boris made was to imagine that he could control him from within the cabinet.
For him to have been outside the cabinet and then purged for voting against no deal on Tuesday would have bene far less damaging than this.
Report Angoose September 5, 2019 12:28 PM BST
In the Brexit committee Michael Gove has just finished answering a series of questions about how Dover would cope with lorry arrivals in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Hilary Benn, the committee chair, did not sound hugely reassured, and he concluded by asking Gove to admit that no one actually knows what will happen in the event of no deal. Gove did not contest this, but replied:

The future is known only to the Almighty.

Benn said unfortunately the Almighty would not be appearing as a witness.
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