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https://news.sky.com/story/labour-falls-into-fourth-place-in-new-opinion-poll-11756313

Anyone still believe that sitting out Brexit was Corbyn's masterstroke?

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By:
Angoose
When: 04 Jul 19 10:43
Come on in Mr Corbyn, your time is up .....
By:
sageform
When: 04 Jul 19 10:45
Apparently only 5% of Labour voting leavers from the last election would now vote Labour and less than half of those who voted Remain! Please keep Corbyn in charge for the foreseeable future. With only 7 points separating 4 parties plus SNP and DUP, the next parliament will be powerless to do anything- like the current one. Not a good idea if the poll is reflected in seats. Could be 6 parties, none of whom will talk to any of the others.
By:
1st time poster
When: 04 Jul 19 10:46
NOTHING TO SEE just confirming what we already no roughly 50% Brexit/tory, 50%lab/libdem/greens, mirroring leave /remain
if we leave on no deal there,ll be a swing to remain parties and if we leaver with a deal supported by erg tory,s will probably rise to 35% plus, GE polls are meaningless til Brexit is delivered
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 04 Jul 19 10:58
if there is an election before brexit happens they are not worthless
By:
edy
When: 04 Jul 19 11:15
Sad
By:
tony57
When: 04 Jul 19 11:20
one poll? last week labour were leading in 2 polls? i wouldn't worry UB ..september is the time of the crunch, may i remind you labour were 28pts behind the tories at the start of the last election, 6 wk election can change things for or against you...labour will be the biggest party..it wont get a majority..imo.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 04 Jul 19 11:34
tories getting wall to wall at the moment, two great hopes head to head

they should be well over 35%


only 25% of remainers backing labour

tomorrow is another day!
By:
n88uk
When: 04 Jul 19 12:34

Jul 4, 2019 -- 10:45AM, sageform wrote:


Apparently only 5% of Labour voting leavers from the last election would now vote Labour and less than half of those who voted Remain! Please keep Corbyn in charge for the foreseeable future. With only 7 points separating 4 parties plus SNP and DUP, the next parliament will be powerless to do anything- like the current one. Not a good idea if the poll is reflected in seats. Could be 6 parties, none of whom will talk to any of the others.


While things are clearly bad, I don't buy 5% for a second for whoever said that. I'm just not buying 19/20 Labour leavers wouldn't vote Labour in a GE.

As is it's hard to see what the solution is to last part, you can't get anything through this parliament, and you probs won't in the next parliament either, though you will return vastly different numbers. We are at a total gridlock really.

By:
n88uk
When: 04 Jul 19 12:35

Jul 4, 2019 -- 10:46AM, 1st time poster wrote:


NOTHING TO SEE just confirming what we already no roughly 50% Brexit/tory, 50%lab/libdem/greens, mirroring leave /remainif we leave on no deal there,ll be a swing to remain parties and if we leaver with a deal supported by erg tory,s will probably rise to 35% plus, GE polls are meaningless til Brexit is delivered


It's likely the GE will become before Brexit is delivered though.

By:
1st time poster
When: 04 Jul 19 12:52
in a 4 party race ,depending where your vote is a small % of votes can produce a large % of seats,as opposed to ukip getting noithing for 4 million, if GE comes before Brexit I,d expect remain parties to hold balance of power in the commons
By:
differentdrum
When: 04 Jul 19 13:47
The surprise is that they are not even lower.

Weasel has been a total disaster. As people are increasingly saying although he has been up against a government in total disarray he has provided the most ineffective opposition you could imagine.

He really should step down rather than keep on embarrassing himself. 

The crowning glory of his inept leadership will be overseeing his own party help Brexit over the line. That will no doubt please the buffoon but will make the idea of a Labour government a distant memory.
By:
thegiggilo
When: 04 Jul 19 13:55
He will go down as the worst ever labour leader if he goes on to contest the next election and lose.he's lost one general already,two euros and two locals and got labour down to lowest ever polling ever and worst ever polling for leader of party and against worst ever PM as well plus if he loses to johnson an utter embarassment and imbecile that would just top it all off..
By:
1st time poster
When: 04 Jul 19 14:26
depends who,s leading what
a Blairite advocating momentum policy
or a momentum candidate leading mcluskey driven policy

both been rejected by electorate,mcluskey,s for 40 years
By:
thegiggilo
When: 04 Jul 19 14:28
Yep there wouldn't even be a chance of an election shouldn't even be close,a tory brexit equals total annihilation..am amzed the are 6/4 to win crazy pruces who the hell would bet that,laughable.
By:
politicspunter
When: 04 Jul 19 16:06
Only one poll, it's meaningless.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 04 Jul 19 16:37
^^Says the dope who's always quoting single polls when it suits his argument.
By:
flushgordon1
When: 04 Jul 19 17:06
How sad too bad nevermind!
By:
politicspunter
When: 04 Jul 19 17:12

Jul 4, 2019 -- 4:37PM, Dr Crippen wrote:


^^Says the dope who's always quoting single polls when it suits his argument.


Nonsense. One poll is meaningless. You should get back on your abacus and see if you can finally learn to count, do percentages or how to bet. After all, it is a betting forum.

By:
flushgordon1
When: 04 Jul 19 17:14
Jeremy is the only one who gets to ride the Abacus.
By:
politicspunter
When: 04 Jul 19 17:17
CON: 26% (+1)
LAB: 24% (-3)
LDEM: 22% (+7)
BREX: 12% (-4)
GRN: 8% (-1)

via @IpsosMORI
Chgs. w/ 10 May

Here is another meaningless poll. Individual polls are a snapshot in time. However, if you study all polls from a number of companies over a decent timeframe you can pick up trends which can be useful for betting purposes.
By:
flushgordon1
When: 04 Jul 19 17:40
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5a93f47fcf0d79c765ce995eb4048f339246896e9c48addd47c78c015c0ead55.jpg
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 04 Jul 19 19:18
brexit 12%

when was that polled?
By:
politicspunter
When: 04 Jul 19 19:43

Jul 4, 2019 -- 7:18PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


brexit 12% when was that polled?


21st-25th June

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 04 Jul 19 20:07
ta pp
By:
eric_morris
When: 04 Jul 19 21:07
I think Labour under Corbyn is a viable opponent against the Tories but ONLY once Brexit is delivered and the elitists like Watson, ex Labour Chukka Ammuna and others driven purely by overturning Brexit leave the party as they have no other motive. They can be replaced by Corbyn with those who want to make a difference for working and middle class people and they will have a strong chance of succeeding.
By:
tony57
When: 05 Jul 19 08:22
new comres poll..

labour in the lead on 27% ...oh dear UB and the other anti democrats..politics is right..1 poll is nothing..
By:
flushgordon1
When: 05 Jul 19 08:30
A broken clock is right once a day ,as Diane Abbott said.
By:
politicspunter
When: 05 Jul 19 09:07
Trowbridge Drynham (Wiltshire) result:

LDEM: 41.6% (+28.4)
CON: 30.5% (-35.8)
IND: 23.7% (+23.7)
LAB: 4.2% (-16.3)

Liberal Democrat GAIN from Conservative.

A very small vote but these are significant results if there is enough of them and in this case, in the right geographical area, for the tories to be very worried.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 05 Jul 19 09:43
a return to tactical voting by labour voters in seats they cannot win.?

corbyn picked up big numbers in last election by mopping up these
labour votes, from natural labour voters, who may have previously voted
lib dem to avoid a tory mp.

billy bragg will be happy


i guess the ind was a brexiteer too?
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 05 Jul 19 09:45
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By:
politicspunter
When: 05 Jul 19 09:50
In places like the above local council election, the tories would, in normal circumstances, be certainties to win the surrounding Westminster constituencies. However, we don't live in normal times and virtually no seat in the West Country-ish region should be considered a shoo in for the tories.
By:
flushgordon1
When: 05 Jul 19 09:51
Ditto for Labour  North of Watford where there is not a large gimmigrant population.
By:
politicspunter
When: 05 Jul 19 09:52
Where would that be exactly?
By:
flushgordon1
When: 05 Jul 19 10:02
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/27/15/14016046-7072857-image-a-63_1558966490204.jpg
By:
politicspunter
When: 05 Jul 19 10:04
Oh please, not the Daily Mail. Besides, the link doesn't work.
By:
sageform
When: 05 Jul 19 11:55
pp, the significant result in your small ward sample is Labour 4% down from 20%. They don't have much support in rural Wiltshire or Somerset where I live but they are losing what little they had. I know it makes no difference in a GE as they have no seats to lose.
By:
politicspunter
When: 05 Jul 19 12:07
sage,

Absolutely. There is a strong chance that tactical voting is going to be in play in the event of a general election this year and Labour voters will likely try and damage the tories in any practical possible way.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 06 Jul 19 10:07
Labour voters will likely try and damage the tories in any practical possible way.

Wow, talk about stating the blindingly obvious.

No wonder his political bets do so badly.
By:
flushgordon1
When: 06 Jul 19 10:14
Methinks thou doth protest too much.
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