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Report Libertine93 June 4, 2019 7:58 PM BST
I don’t see what the rule changes change in terms of the market. We all knew the leadership race wouldn’t be settled til July anyway
Report LuckyAz June 4, 2019 7:58 PM BST
July into 1.22 now, guys you've got to ramp the June departure date better than this or my odds on lays are never going to get matched! Cry
Report Libertine93 June 4, 2019 8:02 PM BST
You’re gonna lose a lot of money on Friday
Report tomb raider June 4, 2019 8:05 PM BST
Email to party members this evening confirms May will remain Acting Leader of the Party until a successor is appointed.
Report Lifter June 4, 2019 8:29 PM BST
Settle it now
Report Libertine93 June 4, 2019 8:32 PM BST
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48513896

Quite clearly states May steps down as leader of Friday but stays on as PM, also backs up what I was told by customer services. People don’t understand the market.
Report tomb raider June 4, 2019 8:33 PM BST
Email to members clearly says she stays on as Acting Leader.
Report Libertine93 June 4, 2019 8:38 PM BST
Market is about official leader
Report Lifter June 4, 2019 8:38 PM BST
"After the Prime Minister formally steps down as Leader of the Conservative & Unionist Party, the process to elect a new Leader will begin. The Rt Hon Theresa May MP will remain Acting Leader of the party until a successor is appointed."
Report Wallflower June 4, 2019 11:26 PM BST
Source?   (I've no skin in the game  -17 loss, so don't care.  )
Report dave1357 June 5, 2019 7:18 PM BST
yeah its correct my tory party sourced messaged me
Report dave1357 June 5, 2019 7:21 PM BST
btw that doesn't absolve betfair cs from simply guessing what the position would be.
Report Chemosabe June 5, 2019 11:23 PM BST
The position of "acting" party leader is notable by the fact that it is not the actual party leader. In the same way, an acting headmaster is not officially a headmaster at all, just a stand-in. The reality is that May is "officially" resigning as party leader on the 7th June, and the desperate gaslighting from Betfair and certain members of this forum doesn't change that fact.
Report donny osmond June 5, 2019 11:30 PM BST
a new forum name, but still doesnt understand what resign means

ffs
Report Chemosabe June 6, 2019 12:02 AM BST
When politicians resign, it is effective immediately. May hasn't resigned as PM, just announced her intention to do so, because she is staying on until July. But she is resigning as party leader, as of Friday.
Report tobermory June 6, 2019 3:02 AM BST
If she doesn't vacate the leadership then she remains leader til the election is done.

That it will go all the way though is not so sure. With Boris looking strong it will be difficult to keep him out of the final two. If he gets that far he surely will win easily in a members vote.

What will the other candidate want ? If they want to be Foreign Sec or Chancellor then they can't spend a month rubbishing Boris's plans. Only if it is someone that would not serve under Boris would they want to do that before going to the backbenches. I think there will be a lot of spin from the Boris camp that "We have 18 weeks 'to do Brexit' so let's not waste the first 5 of those on a futile campaign when Boris is a cert".

So June may still win.
Report dave1357 June 6, 2019 8:07 AM BST
The words of the message

"The Rt Hon Theresa May MP will remain Acting Leader of the Party until a successor is appointed"

I was as vehement as anyone that she was no longer leader on Friday when she resigns, but there is no chance whatsoever that the market will be settled on Friday.
Report LuckyAz June 6, 2019 8:25 AM BST

Jun 5, 2019 -- 9:02PM, tobermory wrote:


If she doesn't vacate the leadership then she remains leader til the election is done.That it will go all the way though is not so sure. With Boris looking strong it will be difficult to keep him out of the final two. If he gets that far he surely will win easily in a members vote.What will the other candidate want ? If they want to be Foreign Sec or Chancellor then they can't spend a month rubbishing Boris's plans. Only if it is someone that would not serve under Boris would they want to do that before going to the backbenches. I think there will be a lot of spin from the Boris camp that "We have 18 weeks 'to do Brexit' so let's not waste the first 5 of those on a futile campaign when Boris is a cert".So June may still win.


June ramping has just hit a whole new level of absurdity. Laugh

Report tobermory June 6, 2019 1:12 PM BST
Confused

You think if there is 1 candidate left on June 22nd that they will still have a members ballot with May hanging about for a month ?
Report Gin June 6, 2019 2:11 PM BST
Mentioned by Guido Fawkes:

https://order-order.com/2019/06/06/punters-demand-stewards-inquiry-mays-resignation-date-bets/
Report Gin June 6, 2019 2:12 PM BST
Quite a lot of chatter over at PoliticalBetting.com over the resignation date of Theresa May. Barring something dramatic happening Theresa May will formally resign as Leader of the Conservative Party tomorrow, as the above official statement from the party chairman and the 1922 Committee makes clear. Seems straightforward.

Over on the Betfair exchange some £3,057,129 has been staked on the exact date of her exit on the “UK – Party Leaders– Exit Dates – Theresa May” market. The small print in the bet market’s rules states:



Punters seeking clarification have now been told that this means when she leaves Downing Street – which is something completely different altogether. May will remain the Prime Minister in Downing Street for another month or so after she has resigned even though she is no longer the party leader. Punters who understood the Conservative Party’s rules are not happy. It’s clear the bookies are confusing the party leadership and the premiership…
Report Floccinaucinihilipilification June 6, 2019 2:22 PM BST
From The Guardian: "No 10 says May will only resign when she is confident her successor can command confidence of Commons"

Rowena Mason Rowena Mason

Boris Johnson could avoid facing an immediate confidence vote in his premiership if he becomes Conservative leader, as ministers are considering whether to send MPs home early for their summer break before the new prime minister is announced.

Mel Stride, the new leader of the House of Commons, aroused suspicions that the Conservatives are plotting to put off a confidence vote for their new leader until September, as he refused to confirm when recess will start. (See 11.36am.)

He said it was “not necessarily” the case that the new Conservative leader would have to appear in front of parliament before MPs go off on holiday until the autumn.

Ministers appear to be trying to get round the threat of a new Conservative leader failing to be able to form a government, if Johnson or one of the other frontrunners to succeed Theresa May loses the support of some Tory MPs or cannot win over the Democratic Unionist party.

Labour sources said they believe the government whips are planning recess to start potentially as early as July 19 – almost a week earlier than last year – while the Conservatives will not say exactly when the winner of their leadership contest will be announced, other than it will be in the week of July 22.

The move to delay a confidence vote until September would give a new leader the chance to ensure its confidence and supply deal with the DUP still stands.

However, it could mean that Theresa May would not be able to go to Buckingham Palace straight away and resign as prime minister. Her spokesman said May would only hand over the keys to No 10 when “she says to the Queen that she is stepping aside and believes that someone else can command the confidence of the House”.
Report Lifter June 6, 2019 2:36 PM BST

Jun 6, 2019 -- 8:12AM, Gin wrote:


Quite a lot of chatter over at PoliticalBetting.com over the resignation date of Theresa May. Barring something dramatic happening Theresa May will formally resign as Leader of the Conservative Party tomorrow, as the above official statement from the party chairman and the 1922 Committee makes clear. Seems straightforward.Over on the Betfair exchange some £3,057,129 has been staked on the exact date of her exit on the “UK – Party Leaders– Exit Dates – Theresa May” market. The small print in the bet market’s rules states:Punters seeking clarification have now been told that this means when she leaves Downing Street – which is something completely different altogether. May will remain the Prime Minister in Downing Street for another month or so after she has resigned even though she is no longer the party leader. Punters who understood the Conservative Party’s rules are not happy. It’s clear the bookies are confusing the party leadership and the premiership…


Yes, but she will stay on as "acting leader". Which in the eyes of BF means that she hasn't stopped being leader.

Report Lifter June 6, 2019 2:38 PM BST

Jun 6, 2019 -- 8:22AM, Floccinaucinihilipilification wrote:


From The Guardian: "No 10 says May will only resign when she is confident her successor can command confidence of Commons"Rowena Mason Rowena MasonBoris Johnson could avoid facing an immediate confidence vote in his premiership if he becomes Conservative leader, as ministers are considering whether to send MPs home early for their summer break before the new prime minister is announced.Mel Stride, the new leader of the House of Commons, aroused suspicions that the Conservatives are plotting to put off a confidence vote for their new leader until September, as he refused to confirm when recess will start. (See 11.36am.)He said it was “not necessarily” the case that the new Conservative leader would have to appear in front of parliament before MPs go off on holiday until the autumn.Ministers appear to be trying to get round the threat of a new Conservative leader failing to be able to form a government, if Johnson or one of the other frontrunners to succeed Theresa May loses the support of some Tory MPs or cannot win over the Democratic Unionist party.Labour sources said they believe the government whips are planning recess to start potentially as early as July 19 – almost a week earlier than last year – while the Conservatives will not say exactly when the winner of their leadership contest will be announced, other than it will be in the week of July 22.The move to delay a confidence vote until September would give a new leader the chance to ensure its confidence and supply deal with the DUP still stands.However, it could mean that Theresa May would not be able to go to Buckingham Palace straight away and resign as prime minister. Her spokesman said May would only hand over the keys to No 10 when “she says to the Queen that she is stepping aside and believes that someone else can command the confidence of the House”.


Market is about Tory leadership

Report Templeton Peck June 6, 2019 2:39 PM BST
Guido doesn't know what it's talking about.  Market is clear now, she remains as acting leader of the Conservative Party until replaced.  That's good enough for Betfair.  So all a case of whether they go to members to choose or not.  Would be amazed if they don't, they've been saying for a long time it was a mistake to have a coronation for May.
Report Chemosabe June 6, 2019 3:20 PM BST
> That's good enough for Betfair.

I am concerned that it is more a case of "good for Betfair". The very irregular way in which the Theresa May exit market(s) have been behaving (since she announced her 7th June resignation date as party leader) suggest VERY strongly to me, that Betfair itself has taken an active position in the market, and they are sitting on a lot of money for a July-Sept exit date.

They clearly initially misunderstood the difference between the roles of Party Leader and Prime Minister, and are now clutching at straws that the position of "acting" leader is the same as the "official" leader (which it obviously is not). Of course, they are relying on the fact that they will use their "discretion" to determine how the Party Leader market is settled (ie to their advantage). If this is the case, then Betfair would be guilty of a major conflict of interest.

The only way to settle the question of when Theresa "officially" ceases to be leader of the Conservative Party, is for Betfair have to get an official statement from Conservative Campaign Headquarters. The uninformed opinion of some Betfair employee (with a vested interest in the outcome) is just not going to cut it. This confirmation needs to be sought on the 7th June - tomorrow, and the market should be suspended until they get a formal response, and then either settled or re-opened depending on that response.
Report LuckyAz June 6, 2019 3:58 PM BST
June backers are calling Betfair CS & being told the rules of the market as I tried to weeks ago & are now calling the Samaritans. Grin
Report Chemosabe June 6, 2019 4:05 PM BST
People may be reluctant to take "advice" from someone who clearly doesn't understand that the position of Party Leader is not the same as Prime Minister.
Report LuckyAz June 6, 2019 4:16 PM BST

Jun 6, 2019 -- 10:05AM, Chemosabe wrote:


People may be reluctant to take "advice" from someone who clearly doesn't understand that the position of Party Leader is not the same as Prime Minister.


I understand it's common sense to check with the rule maker exactly what the rules are of a market before parting with my hard earned cash, unfortunately for some involved in this market common sense has gone out of the window & they're still in denial.

The best advice I can give you now is trade out of your position while you still can...a small red is better than a large red. Love

Report Templeton Peck June 6, 2019 4:29 PM BST
Betfair didn't confuse PM with party leader.  That's a myth.  Their response has been the same throughout: settles when May officially no longer party leader which is when she is replaced.  1922 committee, who run the contest, have confirmed she remains as acting leader.  Jul-Sep should be 1.10 or so.
Report dave1357 June 6, 2019 5:19 PM BST

Chemosabe • June 6, 2019 3:20 PM BST

The only way to settle the question of when Theresa "officially" ceases to be leader of the Conservative Party, is for Betfair have to get an official statement from Conservative Campaign Headquarters.


They have issued a statement: "The Rt Hon Theresa May MP will remain Acting Leader of the Party until a successor is appointed".

Betfair have got lucky.  At the time they were spouting off, they had no evidence whatsoever to back up their claims.  But there is utterly no chance of disputing their assertion now.
Report Libertine93 June 6, 2019 5:37 PM BST
Their response hasn’t been the same throughout though I was told by betfair CS word for word
Me “if she resigns on June 7th that will settle the market?”
CS “exactly, it is the date that Theresa May resigns not when a new leader is chosen”

Fee free to DM me if you want the screenshot.
Report dave1357 June 6, 2019 5:50 PM BST
well I have a FB message that says

While she will step down to make way for a leadership contest on the 7th of June, she will not officially leave until a new leader has been chosen.

As I said at the time this was nonsense, but the official Tory party statement has got them off the hook.
Report Wallflower June 6, 2019 6:07 PM BST
If 1922 committee has confirmed she is Acting Leader - then it is also confirmation she is no longer Party Leader. It is not the same thing. As I said before, I have no interest here. 

Also - time of replacement is irrelevant. The position can officially be vacant. As it has been in the past.

June 7th is clearly the date she is no longer leader
Report LuckyAz June 6, 2019 6:07 PM BST

Jun 6, 2019 -- 11:37AM, Libertine93 wrote:


Their response hasn’t been the same throughout though I was told by betfair CS word for word Me “if she resigns on June 7th that will settle the market?”CS “exactly, it is the date that Theresa May resigns not when a new leader is chosen”Fee free to DM me if you want the screenshot.


You were kind enough to share that screenshot with me shortly after May announced her departure timetable on the 24th May & I agreed with you the rules are very vague.

There was some initial confusion by some CS staff but they were quickly updated by 'The Traders' on their rules for settlement on this market.

Since then further information has been released by the Conservative party this week  "While she will step down to make way for a leadership contest on the 7th of June, she will not officially leave until a new leader has been chosen.

This legally does get Betfair 'off the hook' so to speak, well played 'The Traders'. Wink

Report tobermory June 6, 2019 6:16 PM BST
It does get them off the hook as the only body that could be deemed as making an 'official' announcement (even by betfair's own market rules) was the Conservative Party. And if the Tories had officially stated the position was vacant it would have been ludicrous for Betfair to maintain Theresa May was still the leader, which they apparently were going to do.

So a statement declaring she is leader til someone else is has saved Betfair from having  to argue black is white.
Report Templeton Peck June 6, 2019 6:59 PM BST
Libertine93    06 Jun 19 17:37 
Their response hasn’t been the same throughout though I was told by betfair CS word for word
Me “if she resigns on June 7th that will settle the market?”
CS “exactly, it is the date that Theresa May resigns not when a new leader is chosen”

Fee free to DM me if you want the screenshot.


Ok, one or two of their CS might have made an error but I'm afraid that's Betfair nowadays.  The official line from the team that makes the decision has not at any point changed.  If something official had come out saying the position was vacant then I'm sure Betfair would have settled.  Again, that is clear in the market rules:

'In the event of any ambiguity over an official announcement, Betfair may determine, using its reasonable discretion, how to settle the market based on all the information available to it at the relevant time. Betfair reserves the right to wait for further official announcements before the market is settled.'
Report unitedbiscuits June 6, 2019 7:40 PM BST
"Betfair have got lucky." - What a peevish little man dave1357 is: whenever posters advised caution, he doubled down on his certainty that Betfair would settle tomoz; hopefully nobody took his word while he was trading out.
Report dave1357 June 6, 2019 8:12 PM BST
yawn
Report dave1357 June 6, 2019 9:07 PM BST
Interestingly, if Boris wins the tory leadership, he might not be able to go to the Queen and say he can form a government.  So May might not be able to resign as PM.  That would be fun.
Report LuckyAz June 7, 2019 9:27 AM BST

Jun 6, 2019 -- 3:07PM, dave1357 wrote:


Interestingly, if Boris wins the tory leadership, he might not be able to go to the Queen and say he can form a government.

Report LuckyAz June 7, 2019 9:30 AM BST
With July-Sept in the main market you're covered, they'll have a new PM in place by the end of Sept with Brexit due on 31 Oct.
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 9:31 AM BST
dup rubbing hands ?
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 9:33 AM BST
once boris is elected, or a n other, they will be leader of tory
party, this isnt a prime minister market.

but there is a next pm market, and betfair may wait , again, for
queens speech to pass, which would be fun, again.
Report LuckyAz June 7, 2019 9:36 AM BST
Some people with more money than sense still want to back June. Crazy
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 9:46 AM BST
it is still possible that after 2 votes there are only two candidates who have over 10% of vote
and run off is carried out, or one concedes

but i expect tories want full and frank debates on bbc and sky as they will focus uk on tory party
and away from others.
Report LuckyAz June 7, 2019 9:56 AM BST
No chance off May being out of office by the end of this month, would like to see Johnson VS Gove in the final two & enjoy the fireworks as they trade blows all the way to 24th July.
Report Chemosabe June 7, 2019 11:38 AM BST
> No chance off May being out of office by the end of this month

Give it a rest, mate. BBC News has stated several times this morning that Theresa is formally stepping down as Conservative Leader today.

At this point, you're clearly just pretending you don't understand the difference between party leader and Prime Minister. You're just talking your book. Do you work for Betfair by any chance?
Report Chemosabe June 7, 2019 11:51 AM BST
BBC News headlines this morning. Verbatim:

"Theresa May officially steps down as Tory leader".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48550452

If Betfair are going to ignore a statement by our STATE BROADCASTER because it doesn't suit their book, then Betfair are going to be in for a world of pain. There's a clear conflict of interest in the way they are managing this market.
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 12:01 PM BST
Theresa May will officially step down as the leader of the Conservative Party on Friday, but will remain as prime minister until her successor is chosen.
She announced her resignation two weeks ago, saying it was a matter of deep regret that she had been unable to deliver Brexit.
Eleven Conservative MPs are vying to replace her as party leader and, ultimately, prime minister.
The winner of the contest is expected to be announced in the week of 22 July.
Mrs May remains acting party leader during the leadership election process


article written by some bloke whos backed june on hear?

anal oliver next manager on footy would be proud of that....
Report Lifter June 7, 2019 12:01 PM BST
I was a June backer and argued my case that TM would no longer be leader in June, but that has changed now.

As Donny says, Resign doesn't always mean to quit the role on that very day.
Report LuckyAz June 7, 2019 12:02 PM BST

Jun 7, 2019 -- 5:51AM, Chemosabe wrote:


BBC News headlines this morning. Verbatim:"Theresa May officially steps down as Tory leader".https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48550452If Betfair are going to ignore a statement by our STATE BROADCASTER because it doesn't suit their book, then Betfair are going to be in for a world of pain. There's a clear conflict of interest in the way they are managing this market.


No I don't work for them so I wish you the best of luck in trying to sue them.

Report LuckyAz June 7, 2019 12:09 PM BST
...but I wouldn't put any money on it. Laugh
Report bingo bongo June 7, 2019 12:33 PM BST
No money on this but I'd be arguing my case if I had. Lots of evidence that May is no longer leader as of today. Acting leader is not the same in my opinion. Wiki says the position is now vacant, someone on here been doing some editing?
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 12:41 PM BST
bbc staff must have thought they were cleaning up when they
got news of mays resignation.
Report LuckyAz June 7, 2019 12:43 PM BST

Jun 7, 2019 -- 6:41AM, donny osmond wrote:


bbc staff must have thought they were cleaning up when theygot news of mays resignation.


LaughLaughLaugh

Report dave1357 June 7, 2019 12:55 PM BST
the "remains acting leader" is just taken from the tory party communication.
Report LuckyAz June 7, 2019 1:07 PM BST
https://www.conservatives.com/OurTeam
Report dave1357 June 7, 2019 1:10 PM BST
hasn't changed since the announcement.  I had a beady eye on that page waiting to pounce.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190524234641/https://www.conservatives.com/OurTeam
Report dave1357 June 7, 2019 1:11 PM BST
since the initial announcement that is
Report LuckyAz June 7, 2019 1:14 PM BST
https://twitter.com/theresa_may?lang=en-gb
Report LuckyAz June 7, 2019 1:16 PM BST
But still June backers argue May is no longer the leader. Crazy
Report dave1357 June 7, 2019 1:38 PM BST
They are obv wrong now (in as much as they haven't a hope in any dispute as betfair's opinion is now not unreasonable) but that doesn't mean they were wrong prior to the "remain acting leader" announcement.
Report LuckyAz June 7, 2019 1:45 PM BST
True & I was originally one of those June backers, but we've had ample time to readjust our position but some have just continued to stick their heads in the sand despite trying to be helped.
Report tobermory June 7, 2019 2:42 PM BST
As a June backer I don't have a problem with active leader being considered official leader.

My issue with this was that she would still be considered leader if the position was officially vacant.

Now the only hope of June rests on Boris making the two and the other candidate accepting foreign office or chancellor rather than lose to Boris and become a backbencher.
Report LuckyAz June 7, 2019 3:09 PM BST

Jun 7, 2019 -- 8:42AM, tobermory wrote:


As a June backer I don't have a problem with active leader being considered official leader.My issue with this was that she would still be considered leader if the position was officially vacant.Now the only hope of June rests on Boris making the two and the other candidate accepting foreign office or chancellor rather than lose to Boris and become a backbencher.


Best of luck with your bet but I wouldn't put any more money on it. Wink

Report dave1357 June 7, 2019 5:00 PM BST
Boris won't have the confidence of the house and May won't lie to the queen again and say he has, so I don't see how he ends up as PM.
Report Celeric June 7, 2019 5:15 PM BST
The problem with the betfair position and the july backers is the word 'official'. Officially she has exited her office. The conservatives have announced this. I agree the wording is unclear in the rules, which leads to a debate over the meaning of words.
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 5:26 PM BST
officially she has resigned, weve had a debate about the meaning of resign.

on tory website, which bbc june backers cannot influence Mischief




Theresa May
Prime minister and Leader of the Conservative Party

https://www.conservatives.com/OurTeam
Report Celeric June 7, 2019 5:40 PM BST
yes you are right. the arguement isnt over resign it is over other words 'official'. And she isn't leader of the Tories she is 'acting' which is different and thats the problem
Report Lifter June 7, 2019 5:42 PM BST
It's when does she "officially cease" to be leader. She is still leader as far as Conservatives are concerned.
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 5:47 PM BST
sadly her resignation letter and their replay to her are not to be published according to press
Report Celeric June 8, 2019 7:01 AM BST
The key word is 'official' According to the 1922 committee she has 'officially' left the leadership. 'Acting' leader is unofficial. As a June backer the problem isn't that I don't understand the market. On the contrary, the problem is that I do and i can read English and understand what words mean.
Report dave1357 June 8, 2019 8:56 AM BST
the wording is "officially cease to be leader"  not "cease to be official leader"
Report Celeric June 8, 2019 9:18 AM BST
It does, you are correct. And here we have a word game. My annoyance with the market is not that a gambler has to predict the outcome but has to predict how a betfair trader reads it. In future I will stick to more certain, unambiguous markets.
Report Lifter June 8, 2019 11:34 AM BST
As a very loud June backer, even I can't argue that she still isn't leader
Report Chemosabe June 8, 2019 1:56 PM BST
Acting leader is not the leader. The clue is in the qualifying word "acting". An acting leader, like an an acting head, does not have the mandate or authority to carry out the more important duties of an actual leader/head. They are little more than a bookmark.

According to the OED, "acting": [attributive] Temporarily doing the duties of another person.

By the same, an "actor" is someone playing a role, but is not really that person. Unless you think George C. Scott was actually General Patton, or Alec Baldwin is actually Donald Trump.


For what it's worth, I escalated the non-settlement of this market with Betfair, and they have now given me an IBAS reference number to take the issue for adjudication.
Report politicspunter June 8, 2019 2:03 PM BST
Good luck with that one Chemosabe but I think your cause is lost. Betfairs rules allow them to interpret whichever outcome they feel is correct. They aren't set in stone but they should be.
Report Celeric June 8, 2019 2:17 PM BST
Chem, i totally agree with you. the key word is 'official'. good luck. Personally it costs be £24 and i won that this week on the football, but it is the principle of an ambiguous market.
Report bingo bongo June 8, 2019 2:28 PM BST
@BetfairCS - She is now the acting leader for the party until a new candidate is chosen, so she will still continue with her leader duties although not officially a leader of the party.

Betfair admit May is not leader on twitter.
Report Celeric June 8, 2019 2:30 PM BST
Interesting, and I asked them to publicise the evidence why june 7th is not the winning date.
Report Lifter June 8, 2019 2:41 PM BST
https://twitter.com/theresa_may - Prime Minister and @Conservatives Leader.
Report tobermory June 8, 2019 11:42 PM BST
The Boris spin to have this settled in June is underway....


TORY grandees are pushing for Boris Johnson to be crowned PM without a vote by party members – so he can ‘get cracking’ on Brexit. Sources claim that if the Tory frontrunner comes out on top in voting by MPs he should be put in No.10 straightaway.

Under the contest’s current rules, MPs will pick a final two by the end of June. The Tory membership then elects the winner by July 22, but there is growing concern that if the party waits that long, it could cause yet another critical Brexit delay. One of those behind the early coronation plan says: “If we wait, you’ll have the PM hitting up Europe in the first week of August when they are on the beach.” They add that the former Foreign Secretary is already way ahead in polls of the Tory membership. But on Friday night rival campaigns warned against any “stitch-up”.

And they said it was vital Boris Johnson or whoever made the final two were tested and put under “real scrutiny”. Theresa May was crowned without going to the membership in 2016 after Andrea Leadsom pulled out. One camp said: “It’s hugely important members get a chance to decide who our next leader is so that the next Prime Minister has a mandate.”
Report peckerdunne June 9, 2019 6:25 PM BST
This is a horror story.Iv'e no bet just find it all ghastly.

You can't have a Prime Minister and an acting Prime Minister at the same time.

Surely that's all anyone should need to know.

Scandalous!
Report dave1357 June 9, 2019 6:28 PM BST
You can't have a Prime Minister and an acting Prime Minister at the same time.

Surely that's all anyone should need to know


I agree.  What country's prime minister are you referring to?
Report peckerdunne June 9, 2019 8:08 PM BST
I'm referring to Mrs May being one or the other.
Report dave1357 June 9, 2019 8:15 PM BST
She is not acting prime minister.  There is no such thing as an "acting" prime minister in the UK.  The Queen decides who the prime minister is and that is May, until she resigns.
Report peckerdunne June 9, 2019 8:20 PM BST
Ok Dave, i should have said leader..

She is the Prime Minister who has resigned but is still acting leader as opposed to leader and her resignation
is on an ongoing basis which means she is actually not acting.
Report tobermory June 9, 2019 8:39 PM BST
The Prime Minister part is not relevant really.

The market was just about Tory leader, despite what some people earlier in the thread seemed to think.

As it is she is 'officially' the acting leader of the party until someone else is. So yeah she is the leader as per the rules of the market.
Report peckerdunne June 9, 2019 8:42 PM BST
Thanks Tober, stand corrected.
Report bingo bongo June 17, 2019 7:05 PM BST
https://order-order.com/2019/06/17/rory-mania-lead-boris-coronation/

could be all over tomorrow!
Report politicspunter June 17, 2019 7:07 PM BST
No possible chance.
Report donny osmond June 17, 2019 8:54 PM BST
if boris gets 60% and others less than 10% each then what happens?

is that it?
Report politicspunter June 17, 2019 9:00 PM BST
No. Two candidates must go to the members. In an tie years ago for who was eliminated (Michael Ancram was one of them) there was a revote as none of them would back down.
Report donny osmond June 17, 2019 9:04 PM BST
seems when they framed the new rules they didnt state what would happen, or
not that i can find anyway. pretty sure you are correct and they would declare a
second place for the run off.
Report Angoose June 18, 2019 1:32 AM BST
Boris Johnson could become Prime Minister tomorrow, thanks to Rory Stewart, obviating the need to go to any public hustings.

The 1922 Committee’s new threshold rules mean that any candidate who gets fewer than 33 votes tomorrow is automatically eliminated from the contest, meaning if all but Boris fail to meet the threshold, he becomes PM. There is a real (if small) chance that due to Rory’s disruption, Hunt and Gove could slip back a little and other candidates not gain enough new supporters for an accidental coronation to happen…

Guido’s tracker of public declarations shows that Jeremy Hunt and Michael Gove are both sitting on just on 34 public declarations, meaning Rory only has to attract two public switchers from each for neither to reach the 33 vote cut off. Among Gove’s declared backers are uber-Remainers Claire Perry and Oliver Letwin. Among Hunt’s are Amber Rudd and Greg Clark. All four could switch ship if they are keen to ensure Rory makes it into Tuesday night’s BBC debate, accidentally knocking out Gove and Hunt…

Even going by non-public votes from last round, Hunt would have to lose just eleven, and Gove just five MPs to fall below the vital threshold. Assuming a full turnout, Boris would only need to take 153 votes, for every other candidate to rest on 32, and an accidental coronation to take place…
Report politicspunter June 18, 2019 8:05 AM BST
Guido is Boris unofficial (and very naughty) social media arm.
Report jucel69 June 29, 2019 11:39 PM BST
Can still lay June at 65s, why?Confused
Report tobermory June 30, 2019 12:39 AM BST
1 or 2% chance that someone quits on Sunday I guess. Though seems a free money lay as less than 1 in  1000 that happens.
Report bingo bongo November 26, 2019 4:03 PM GMT
Rumor that IBAS have ruled betfair settled this incorrectly from Guido (yes I know). Can anyone remember what their position was?
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