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politicspunter
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Ladbrokes...

Labour
2.00
Brexit Party
2.25
Conservatives
9.00
Liberal Democrats
51.00
SDP
51.00
Change UK
67.00
Green
101.00
UKIP
101.00
UKEUP
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Report n88uk June 7, 2019 2:12 AM BST
Corbyn surely isn't going to be around for long anyway, surely he's only going to be around as leader for like 1 more GE anyway.
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 2:13 AM BST
con vote held up quite well in brexit central, ...
Report enpassant June 7, 2019 2:13 AM BST
If such tight constituencies (this talked of as a bell-weather) are won when the odds are so heavily against Labour imo, that is very significant.
Report n88uk June 7, 2019 2:14 AM BST
Our politics as it's been done so far is not very set up for coalitions like you see in Europe. Like we'll still get the mentality in this country of these parties in these coalitions just go in and do everything they said which just isn't going to happen in a coalition rather than compromise.
Report n88uk June 7, 2019 2:15 AM BST
It suggests Labour will win a 2019 GE very likely, but that probs makes one less likely. Though given the whole system might collapse by the end of year, one might get forced anyway.
Report n88uk June 7, 2019 2:16 AM BST
Brexit Party excuses coming out.
Report n88uk June 7, 2019 2:18 AM BST
Conservatives really have shot themselves in the foot, an unbelievable mess they've created of their own party through Brexit.
Report n88uk June 7, 2019 2:19 AM BST
They've literally managed to self-destruct, well played.
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 2:20 AM BST
labour and tories obviously helped by the infrastructure built up
ove the years, but...its a very poor result for brexit party

not just because they lost but that there isnt another one just around the corner



and highlite of sky coverage was nigel farage pishing off to bogs...why on earth did
he not stand ?
Report enpassant June 7, 2019 2:21 AM BST
Boris is tonight probably thinking it's worth being PM for a couple of months than never at all !
Report n88uk June 7, 2019 2:21 AM BST
The infrastructure is also linked to actually standing for something beyond Brexit. Strongly linked in fact.

I'd love to know what % of Brexiteers would actually want Farage as PM. I don't know any Brexiteers to have a remote tab on it, but there are surely loads that wouldn't actually want Farage as PM.
Report thegiggilo June 7, 2019 2:22 AM BST
Even pandoras couldn't stop them Shockedhad to have a lie down,going to be some seething on here tomorrow!!Shocked
Report enpassant June 7, 2019 2:26 AM BST
Farage has made a point of saying how brexit voters would crawl over broken glass to vote so excuses will be hollow indeed from this duplicitous knave.
Report enpassant June 7, 2019 2:28 AM BST
And Corbyn has one more ally in the PLP !
Report n88uk June 7, 2019 2:30 AM BST
Conservatives still parroting the same stuff about just get Brexit done, no actual way how they are going to get it done.
Report n88uk June 7, 2019 2:30 AM BST
"an orderly fashion" How then?
Report thegiggilo June 7, 2019 2:37 AM BST
treetop    06 Jun 19 21:07 
Low expectations,low turnouts of Labour voters,etc. I have paid little interest to Peterborough and bow down to pp's knowledge and research but your comments have a theme of excusing a dismal showing

And still won,looks like the old farts party are in decline already...
Report jucel69 June 7, 2019 3:04 AM BST
I never knew Broadmoor allowed it's patients to have internet access, especially after bedtimeConfused
Report jucel69 June 7, 2019 3:08 AM BST
Union activist, says it all. The scourge of any country, fat union pigs decimating industries
Report aaronh June 7, 2019 3:22 AM BST

Jun 6, 2019 -- 5:35PM, eric_morris wrote:


What you doing on here numpty when you can have all that 3/1


should have listed to Eric and topped up CryCryCry

Report impossible123 June 7, 2019 6:44 AM BST
It just shows the Brexit Party is 'brexit' specific only. Not a total surprise result despite the betting market. Let's hope Ms Lisa Forbes is a much better MP than her predecessor.
Report edy June 7, 2019 7:05 AM BST
TBP didn't win a 60% leave area? Cry

Quisling wannabe brexiteers the lot of them
Report aaronh June 7, 2019 7:20 AM BST
true
Report aaronh June 7, 2019 7:23 AM BST
Will BXP get enough Tory (and labour) deserters with the experience and knowhow to maximise their vote in a general? Cause this is obviously what happened for labour, and I guess the Tories if they still got 20%.

This had so many factors leaning in BXP favour
Heavy Brexit territory, easy EU elections win for them, labour mp previously was booted out, this candidate already mired in controversy
Report InsiderTrader June 7, 2019 7:24 AM BST
Well done Labour gamblers.

It was always going to be hard for TBP to win (I said this earlier on the thread but was shouted down by a lunatic and no one else stood up and agreed with me).

It highlights that TBP splits the Tory vote and could let Corbyn seize power if their is a General Election.

The Tories need to take strong action on Brexit to stop this happening.
Report jumper3 June 7, 2019 7:34 AM BST
TBP may not win seats in great numbers but with a strong enough % vote they will cause disruption everywhere which is why the Tories need to deliver a Brexit well before any general election. Labour will come out as a Remain party with the aim to try and capitalise on this uncertainty. For the first time ever, what was considered as solid Conservative or Labour seats are potentially all up for grabs. That's a good thing for if you were left and living in the Tory heartlands, your vote was useless. Likewise, if you were a true blue but living in say Haringey, what point was there to vote.

Regardless of the reason, it's not a bad thing to move away from the 2 party system.
Report aaronh June 7, 2019 7:46 AM BST
Should be fun for political traders trying to price up constituency markets next election
Report Injera June 7, 2019 7:56 AM BST
I agree with jumper and IT.

The result highlights the power TBP have to disrupt any election. Neither Lab nor Tories can rest easy. Their first job is to deliver Brexit and then claim back votes from TBP supporters.

The fact that TBP even exists should shame them both but I'm not sure politicians know the meaning of the word....

The situation remains chaotic.
Report aaronh June 7, 2019 8:02 AM BST
What's the expectation for BXP if brecon and radnorshire by election happens?
Report impossible123 June 7, 2019 8:04 AM BST
TBP representing the British electorate in Brussels is very welcome and appreciated (by me especially) as The EU need a radial upheaval, but in Westminster is an entirely different story eg apart from a very, very small handful (Ann Widdecombe) the rest are just jumping on the bandwagon of the gravy-train commonly associated with public figures; these individuals must be asked to work the grass-roots of politics 1st before elevated to the echelons of power. There must be no-fast track route.
Report aaronh June 7, 2019 8:11 AM BST
The case work, meeting constituents and all that boring MP stuff likely of not much appeal to the grifters compared to going to Brussels once a quarter to make some noise
Report anxious June 7, 2019 8:42 AM BST
From what i have read Labour concentrated on local issues and also fought against a decade of tory austerity , the deliberate underfunding and privatisation of the NHS , cuts to social care and and  schools , fight on these issues and Labour are still in the game , farage and the spivs probably cut each others throats
Report 1st time poster June 7, 2019 8:49 AM BST
actually mr 1st timeposter at 14 25 post was the 1st to say Brexit/tory splitting vote lets mainly remain/anti no deal win in 61% leave seat, Wink
Report politicspunter June 7, 2019 8:53 AM BST
A very interesting by election with all main parties coming out with some degree of credit.

Labour- Won the seat through knowledge of where their voters were and fought on local issues. Kitchen sink was chucked at it and nothing less would have done. Their local organisers deserve a big pat on the back.
Brexit- Unlucky to miss out by a few hundred votes, losing out to Labours superior local knowledge.
Conservative- Far from disgraced and on another day could have finished much closer if their vote wasn't squeezed from all sides.
LibDem- A good effort but this isn't their territory.

Bookies fell into the trap of assuming what had just happened in the Euro elections would be repeated here, they are unlikely to make the same mistake again.
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 8:55 AM BST
It highlights that TBP splits the Tory vote and could let Corbyn seize power if their is a General Election.

The Tories need to take strong action on Brexit to stop this happening.



simply stop fielding brexit candidates is obvious solution if they cant win
Report 1st time poster June 7, 2019 9:08 AM BST
labour gets vote out,brexit party gets 700 less out ,wheres any evidence that if Brexit find anymore voters they will vote Brexit

if its held again next month Brexit party get their vote out they no where it is now and lose by 700, now the Brexit party have lost if it were held next month ,they,d lose by more bcause they haver only one policy, the lemming effect only works once before so called shy opposition parties return home
Report thegiggilo June 7, 2019 9:08 AM BST
If there hadn't been the brexit party the tiry majority wouldv'e been huge,so corbyns got lots to do on the night it was a great result long term got to win back voters...
Report InsiderTrader June 7, 2019 9:11 AM BST
It shows Corbyn has the right policy to sit on the fence over Brexit.

If he had gone full on remain it could have lost enough Labour leave votes to TBP to swing it.

But avoiding that issue and campaigning against the policies forced upon the Tories by the previous bankrupt Labour government he appeals to his base.
Report cyclops June 7, 2019 9:14 AM BST
politics punter, your analysis seems to suggest all four parties did well and should be pleased.

Can't see how that tallies.
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 9:16 AM BST
i agree with pp, except perhaps on lib dems, who might have expected better

but their vote seemed to stick with labour to defeat brex party, maybe they
are happy with that, knowing how the land lies in by elections
Report politicspunter June 7, 2019 9:18 AM BST

Jun 7, 2019 -- 3:14AM, cyclops wrote:


politics punter, your analysis seems to suggest all four parties did well and should be pleased.Can't see how that tallies.


cyclops, I just felt that all of the main parties could take something positive from the result.

Report 1st time poster June 7, 2019 9:43 AM BST
you could  argue the torys are reading this wrong,they seem to think sorting Brexit out beats brexit party but then they lose on local,national issue,s, might suit them to prolong the agony, cling to power because either way in the end they lose, as suggested been pm for only a short while if not at all would suit boris, without this meltdown, boris wouldnt be within a million miles of been pm in normal circumstances
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 9:51 AM BST
the system of two parties that we have ensures they will get a turn again...

unless they are replaced on the right, and they see the split in the party as a boil to be lanced
before it sees them replaced and they lose their turn.
Report enpassant June 7, 2019 10:52 AM BST
' the policies forced upon the Tories by the previous bankrupt Labour government'

OH my lord hahaha
Report InsiderTrader June 7, 2019 10:55 AM BST
Gordon Brown who promised 'no more Tory boom and bust' and left the country with massive debts and had run out of money.

This is always the legacy of even a moderate Labour government.
Report enpassant June 7, 2019 10:56 AM BST
So it was Labour that collapsed the world economy was it ?

Austerity was forced was it ?
Report enpassant June 7, 2019 10:59 AM BST

Jun 7, 2019 -- 4:55AM, InsiderTrader wrote:


Gordon Brown who promised 'no more Tory boom and bust' and left the country with massive debts and had run out of money.This is always the legacy of even a moderate Labour government.


This is simplistic nonsense and you surely know it.

Report InsiderTrader June 7, 2019 11:04 AM BST
enpassant
07 Jun 19 10:56
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So it was Labour that collapsed the world economy was it ?

Austerity was forced was it ?

^

Nothing is ever forced.

The coalition could have borrowed more money and handed it out.

The biggest transfer of wealth has been the result of emergency interest rates since 2008 which means those with capital have got massively richer compared to those without it.
Report pumphol. June 7, 2019 11:14 AM BST
InsiderTrader    07 Jun 19 07:24 
Well done Labour gamblers.

It was always going to be hard for TBP to win (I said this earlier on the thread but was shouted down by a lunatic and no one else stood up and agreed with me).


Think you're too kind by not naming names, always wonder when it comes to politics betting whether people bet with their heart rather than their head, seems some have certainly done their brains on this occasion.
Report 1st time poster June 7, 2019 11:25 AM BST
no media coverage on polling day so market moves its assumed can only come from those with inside info, hard to back labour at 8 to 1 in a 2 horse race without knowing its 8 to 1 because someone knows something you dont
Report differentdrum June 7, 2019 11:40 AM BST
It never ceases to amaze the slants that political parties put on election results.

Let's compare the last two results:-

Labour 10484 (22950)
Tories  7243 (22343)
Lib     4159 (1597)

On these figures it was a poor night to varying degrees for Labour, the Tories and the Brexit Party. The Tory vote just about held enough to allow Labour to fall over the line despite losing another chunk of remain votes to the Liberals. The only really positive move was for the Liberals but from a very low base. This wasn't in any shape or form a vindication of the Labour Brexit policy, in fact from the figures you can't help thinking that had they not lost so many remain votes it would have been a relatively comfortable win.

A big concern for the Brexit Party if can't take a big leave majority seat.
Report InsiderTrader June 7, 2019 11:58 AM BST
Turnout yesterday was 33,920 compared to 47,738 last GE so lets scale those figures by 1.41

Labour 14782 (22950)
Brexit 13819 (0)
Tories 10213 (22343)
Lib     5864 (1597)

Very crude method but changes would be..

Labour -  8168
Brexit + 13819
Tories - 12130
Libs   +  4267

It can be assumed the majority of the 13,819 TBP votes came from the Tories but there is still almost 2,000 that must have come from Labour - and that is if no remainer Tories switched to Libs.

There are 3,900 lost Labour votes that did not go to the Libs - almost half of the lost votes.
Report InsiderTrader June 7, 2019 11:59 AM BST
I do not think the whole Trump/Farage NHS story was that helpful to TBP either.
Report enpassant June 7, 2019 12:14 PM BST
IT: There is no counting how many times have you been called out on posting a point as if it were a fact when it is not.
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 12:18 PM BST
trump and farage wanting to privatise the nhs may as well
be stuck on the side of a double decker bus

its that kind of issue, innit



coming to an election near you, soon ( ish)
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 12:25 PM BST

It can be assumed the majority of the 13,819 TBP votes came from the Tories but there is still almost 2,000 that must have come from Labour - and that is if no remainer Tories switched to Libs.




simply cant be worked out from the data we have, and of course you forget to mention this was a seat in election that
ukips didnt stand to give tories a run at labour, ...ukips took 7.5 k in previous election, which gives brexit vote a fairly
solid base from which to hit 12k or so required to win. only 400 of that 7.5 k remained with ukips
Report InsiderTrader June 7, 2019 12:54 PM BST
enpassant
07 Jun 19 12:14
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IT: There is no counting how many times have you been called out on posting a point as if it were a fact when it is not.

^

What is the relevance of that unprovoked insult to this thread please?
Report enpassant June 7, 2019 1:05 PM BST
I did post a thread, some time ago, to address the specific subject but you chose not post on it despite the invite.

So apologies to you, the op and other posters for pointing this out on here.
Report InsiderTrader June 7, 2019 1:12 PM BST
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It can be assumed the majority of the 13,819 TBP votes came from the Tories but there is still almost 2,000 that must have come from Labour - and that is if no remainer Tories switched to Libs.




simply cant be worked out from the data we have, and of course you forget to mention this was a seat in election that
ukips didnt stand to give tories a run at labour, ...ukips took 7.5 k in previous election, which gives brexit vote a fairly
solid base from which to hit 12k or so required to win. only 400 of that 7.5 k remained with ukips

^

Ok fair point.

Why not combine Brexit Party + Tories + UKIP due to UKIP not standing in 2017.


Labour won 30.9% of the vote (down from 48.1% in 2015)
Tories + Brexit + UKIP won 51.5% (up from 46.8% in 2015)

The combined Tory/Brexit/UKIP votes is up 4.7%.

Some remain Tories might have gone to LidDems.

Where did the increase in Tory/Brexit/UKIP vote come from it is not from Labour?

Labour dropped 17.2%. Greens + Libs only up by 10.2%.
Report InsiderTrader June 7, 2019 1:14 PM BST
** those stats about should say 2017..


Labour won 30.9% of the vote (down from 48.1% in 2017)
Tories + Brexit + UKIP won 51.5% (up from 46.8% in 2017)

The combined Tory/Brexit/UKIP votes is up 4.7%.

Some remain Tories might have gone to LidDems.

Where did the increase in Tory/Brexit/UKIP vote come from it is not from Labour?

Labour dropped 17.2%. Greens + Libs only up by 10.2%.
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 1:18 PM BST
it hasnt increased, it is the percentage that has increased, innit

would you rather have 50% of £2

or 20% of £10k ?

not a trick question.



some folk didnt vote, trying to make sweeping assumptions from raw data
without seeing what underlying trends may be , can lead to some incorrect
assumptions being built into a model.

of course you might be correct, !
Report politicspunter June 7, 2019 1:25 PM BST
The thing that strikes me is that Farage is rapidly becoming Jeremys little helper.
Report InsiderTrader June 7, 2019 1:31 PM BST
donny osmond
07 Jun 19 13:18
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it hasnt increased, it is the percentage that has increased, innit

would you rather have 50% of £2

or 20% of £10k ?

not a trick question.



some folk didnt vote, trying to make sweeping assumptions from raw data
without seeing what underlying trends may be , can lead to some incorrect
assumptions being built into a model.

of course you might be correct, !

^

Again fair point in terms of who go their vote out.

All I am doing is looking at the numbers and making some assumptions to try to figure out what happened.
Report politicspunter June 7, 2019 1:41 PM BST
I wouldn't try to analyse in micro detail the figures. It's a by election, it's unique, there is no reason at all to suggest the same result would be repeated at a general election.
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 1:47 PM BST
i think labour worked ever so hard to get what vote they could.

twitter comment suggested they struggled badly in some areas
but other areas were more ready to vote.

there was no comment, sadly, to show why these folk would not
turn out, or why those that did, did.

the pollsters today suggest the result was within their expectations,
that is, not a shock, even if a slight surprise.

farage hant quite mastered the first past the post system, and is increasingly
becoming marmite.
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 1:49 PM BST
and twitter got this spot on from late afternoon, and folk were slow
to react on hear.
Report politicspunter June 7, 2019 1:59 PM BST
On the betting front it was the best result for me. I was happy enough with my position for a couple of weeks leading up to the election where I had Labour and Brexit covered to make a profit of just under £400 irrespective of the result. I would have won £3k if the tories had won! Anyway, the Labour price started to drift out badly on election day for no obvious reason I could find so I had £25 at 8.0, £22.50 at 7.0 and £120 at 6.0 which I then laid £100 at 3.45 on here as the market went haywire during the count.  So, a good night but with the Brexit Party now in play, hopefully not the last one.
Report InsiderTrader June 7, 2019 2:03 PM BST
Interesting so you are more a trader than a raw arber?
Report politicspunter June 7, 2019 2:11 PM BST
I just try and make a profit, irrespective of the result. Last night, I wouldn't have risked my Brexit profit by sticking it on Labour. Maybe I should have! Would have been gutted though if Brexit had won by a few hundred votes.  The simple situation was that the Labour price I felt was huge with respect to their chances and I was happy to cut my possible winnings on Brexit to play some of it up on Labours huge price.
Report treetop June 7, 2019 4:28 PM BST
Well done pp, you have my totaal respect for your effort and fully deserve to make a profit from your betting mate.
Report 1st time poster June 7, 2019 6:08 PM BST
the arberter,s of so called democracy farage and co bemoaning their loss on labour getting its vote out, so their idea of democracy is hoping their rivals  don't get their vote out, Confused
Report Facts June 7, 2019 7:03 PM BST

.......Nigel Farage has now arrived at the Peterborough by-election, after reportedly sneaking in through the back door......




And then slunk out through the same back door. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report politicspunter June 7, 2019 7:08 PM BST
And slithered under trap two in the lavvies to avoid the press.
Report InsiderTrader June 7, 2019 7:47 PM BST
He was out talking to the press today.

It is always hard to comment immediate after a loss.

Remember HRC sent out that weird Podesta guy from the gmail hacks when she lost...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4IiQ2gWfWs
Report politicspunter June 7, 2019 7:54 PM BST
For an experienced politician Farage can be naive in the extreme. There he was last night, pictured knocking back a few beers in the garden of a local pub with his candidate, while the voting is still taking place. Then turning up to collect the trophy only to discover the other team have scored in injury time.
It's like Major and the tories out knocking doors till the last minute while Kinnock and co were having a victory party in Sheffield or the one from earlier on this thread...

@jessicaelgot
2m2 minutes ago
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I’ll never forget covering @gareth_snell’s Stoke by-election, I was speaking to Ukip activists who had joked that they hadn’t seen a single Labour activist in the town centre. I said I thought they’d probably have been knocking on doors of their regular voters, not leafleting...
Report InsiderTrader June 7, 2019 8:15 PM BST
The problem for TBP is they do not know which doors to knock on.

They have no ground troops and information to get their vote out.
Report politicspunter June 7, 2019 8:20 PM BST
They will have some experienced guys analysing voting figures from the EU elections and Peterborough to identify their typical voter, street, ward. The better they identify this, the more accurate will be the delegation of their canvassing teams. To build up info normally takes time but they will be learning fast.
Report donny osmond June 7, 2019 8:31 PM BST
should have given cambridge analytica a bell, what they called these days?
Report Facts June 7, 2019 8:33 PM BST
Cants
Report politicspunter June 7, 2019 8:40 PM BST
Opinion polls also normally give a breakdown of voting intention by social grade, age, past voting etc.
Report impossible123 June 7, 2019 11:13 PM BST
Barely has Ms Lisa Forbes been elected as an MP she's already mired in accusation of ignoring and endorsing anti-Semitic posts. The Labour Party just cannot dissociate themselves from accusations of anti-Semitism so long as Corbyn is the leader, it seems. And, he's done little to placate the issue either.
Report politicspunter June 7, 2019 11:35 PM BST
Errm, this happened before the election and was in the public domain.
Report InsiderTrader June 8, 2019 7:43 AM BST
Just over a week after the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) launched its investigation into Labour, we now have in Lisa Forbes an MP who both the anti-racism group Hope not Hate and the Labour party’s Jewish affiliate, The Jewish Labour Movement (JLM), are demanding has the whip removed before she even steps into Westminster.

Forbes has insisted that she believes anti-Semitism is ‘abhorrent’. But she liked a Facebook post saying Theresa May had a ‘Zionist Slave Master’s agenda’ and on another occasion,  announced she had ‘enjoyed’ a Facebook thread which said Islamic extremists were created by Mossad and the CIA.

She also added her name to a petition denouncing Labour signing the internationally recognised IHRA definition of anti-Semitism. So, she is someone who says they find anti-Semitism abhorrent, but perhaps not when Jewish people define it.


https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/06/the-shame-of-labour-mps-who-campaigned-for-lisa-forbes/

The article goes on to say 'moderate' Labour MPs like Tom Watson, Hilary Benn, Stephen Kinnock and Catherine West supported this woman.

What is going on?
Report politicspunter June 8, 2019 8:48 AM BST
Is this not becoming a bit over the top? These things were well known to the public before voting took place and if the candidate was such a racist in the eyes of the voters, then she wouldn't have been elected. Lisa Forbes understands that anything connected with Judaism will be micro examined from now on in her role as an mp, the same as all Labour mps. It's time to move on.
Michael Gove has admitted he took cocaine at social events when a journalist twenty years or so ago. Should it alter folks voting intentions for him ? No. If anything, folks should accept we are all human, we have all made foolish mistakes in the past but life goes on.
Report 1st time poster June 8, 2019 9:45 AM BST
suzzane evans ex ukip said on newsnight last night all boris quips about black people,muslims,asians,scousers,junker are jokes but all labour similar remarks about jews,israel etc are anti semites,
Peterborough was 61% leave,90% tory/labour last election and 60% plus Brexit party at eu elections 2 weeks ago,farage Brexit party tell us their taking votes of both labour and tory and would comfortably win a 2nd reff
in that scenario they've got to be some right foooooooking thick cooooonts if they've been knocking on the wrong doors,listening to farage earlier in the week you,d have thought the Brexit party would give a free holiday to anyone knocking on a door that wasn't a possible/probable Brexit vote,never mind using it as an excuse for losing lib dems got 4000 so there were only really 5000 doors in Peterborough that wernt possible votes
Report aaronh June 8, 2019 10:05 AM BST
suzzane evans ex ukip said on newsnight last night all boris quips about black people,muslims,asians,scousers,junker are jokes but all labour similar remarks about jews,israel etc are anti semites,

it is just another example of their hypocrisy but it's nothing new. shutting down criticism of Islam by calling it Islamophobic vs (mostly) shutting down criticism of Israel by calling it anti semitic. (although these liked posts seem more clear cut)

The Jewish groups calling out Labour should be paid attention to but the Muslim ones calling out the Tories should not be etc.

It is a failure of some of the left to push away people who would be mostly sympathetic to them into the arms of people even more harmful to them.

on postal votes; https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/08/no-labour-s-anti-semitism-crisis-isn-t-fault-britain-s-muslims

.
Report aaronh June 8, 2019 10:07 AM BST
Michael Gove has admitted he took cocaine at social events when a journalist twenty years or so ago. Should it alter folks voting intentions for him ? No. If anything, folks should accept we are all human, we have all made foolish mistakes in the past but life goes on.

It shouldn't but if it does it would alter them with probably the Tory core Crazy

I honestly don't give a **** if any of these Tories have taken drugs. The issue is when they get to portray it as a bit of hi-jinks in their youth then resulting policy is either a terrible war on drugs, lack of support for addicts and people struggling and so on. I don't know Gove's thoughts in particular here.
Report InsiderTrader June 8, 2019 10:08 AM BST
The problem seems to stem from support for Palestine and a dislike of some of Israel's policies.

Some people on the left seem to be unable to distinguish between Jewish people and the actions of the Israeli government.

It would be better for people like Forbes and Corbyn to condeme people and policies rather than like offensive murals and comments on social media.
Report politicspunter June 8, 2019 10:23 AM BST
Insider, Most of us hate Israel, including me. I don't hate Jewish people, far from it.
Report InsiderTrader June 8, 2019 10:26 AM BST
How can you hate a country?

Do you mean you dislike some of the policies of those running the country?
Report politicspunter June 8, 2019 10:30 AM BST
Yes.
Report donny osmond June 8, 2019 10:46 AM BST
why didnt anybody spill the beans on gove last time around ?

funny lot these tories


as for the victorious labour candidate , the incident was clear before the vote,
but certainly needs to be looked at as part of the ongoing investigation into
labour party.
Report thegiggilo June 8, 2019 10:09 PM BST
https://twitter.com/search?q=peterborough&src=tyah

Someone caught nige there..
Report thegiggilo June 8, 2019 10:09 PM BST
https://twitter.com/search?q=peterborough&src=tyah

Someone caught nige there..
Report thegiggilo June 8, 2019 10:09 PM BST
https://twitter.com/search?q=peterborough&src=tyah

Someone caught nige there..
Report thegiggilo June 8, 2019 10:12 PM BST
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1136944485236187136
Report thegiggilo June 8, 2019 10:12 PM BST
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1136944485236187136
Report donny osmond June 8, 2019 11:19 PM BST
i saw that on twitter, i may have accidentally retweeted it,

whoops Laugh
Report politicspunter November 21, 2019 8:27 PM GMT
For insider trader. Feel free to read through your posts.
Report politicspunter November 21, 2019 8:46 PM GMT
well insider, I can find my bets easily enough. Where are yours?
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