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pa lapsy
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By God the stench,

Surely deserves an inquiry,running scared of the implications?
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Report lapsy pa November 30, 2020 9:34 AM GMT
Well?
Report lfc1971 November 30, 2020 10:19 AM GMT
Hasn’t Ireland elected Sinn Fein/ IRA into government?
Report lapsy pa November 30, 2020 10:21 AM GMT
Don't the DUP sit in your own Westminster?
Report lfc1971 November 30, 2020 10:22 AM GMT
Yes
Report lapsy pa November 30, 2020 10:23 AM GMT
No difference.
Report lfc1971 November 30, 2020 10:26 AM GMT
Didn’t SinnFein / IRA murder Judges , and soldiers and policemen , and security staff , and ordinary innocent members of the public ?
Report lapsy pa November 30, 2020 10:27 AM GMT
Who murdered Pat Finucane?
Report lfc1971 November 30, 2020 10:27 AM GMT
And then were elected into government
Report lfc1971 November 30, 2020 10:28 AM GMT
Loyalist paramilitary the UDA murdered him
Report lapsy pa November 30, 2020 10:29 AM GMT
And who else?
Report lfc1971 November 30, 2020 10:33 AM GMT
There was an inquiry , it concluded that there was overriding conspiracy by the British gov to have Pat Finucane murdered

Anyone with any sense knows the British gov had no interest or wish that such a thing should happen
Report lfc1971 November 30, 2020 10:34 AM GMT
* there was no overriding conspiracy
Report lapsy pa November 30, 2020 10:36 AM GMT
There was no inquiry ever,there was a reveiw by a "Sir" de Silva, time for an Inquiry.
Report lfc1971 November 30, 2020 10:37 AM GMT
And I know lapsy pa you are not without good sense
Report lapsy pa November 30, 2020 10:50 AM GMT
Not just me Lfc, the Supreme court has said that all previous examinations of his death has not been compliant with human rights standards.
Report lfc1971 November 30, 2020 10:51 AM GMT
That’s nonsense
Report lapsy pa November 30, 2020 10:55 AM GMT
Tisn't,i am sure there have been "reviews" etc by your own before and findings have been completely different with an independent inquiry.
Report peckerdunne November 30, 2020 11:09 AM GMT
Not this bollox again lfc...................

McGurk's Bar bombing



Andersonstown shootings


New Lodge Six


Just 3 incidents of many licensed to kill atrocities by the British Government
Report lfc1971 November 30, 2020 11:16 AM GMT
I don’t know the details of those cases pd
I could check , I’m confident that the British government had no involvement
Report lapsy pa November 30, 2020 11:18 AM GMT
What would you say if it had involvement?
Report shiny new shoes please November 30, 2020 2:22 PM GMT
Collusion for sure.
Like many others
Nothing new!
Report Angoose November 30, 2020 5:36 PM GMT
The British government has decided to not order a public inquiry into the 1989 murder of the Belfast solicitor Pat Finucane, one of the most notorious killings of the Troubles, despite intense legal and political pressure.

Brandon Lewis, the Northern Ireland secretary, made the announcement on Monday in a devastating setback to a decades-long campaign for a fresh investigation into an attack found to have involved state collusion.
Report Angoose November 30, 2020 5:37 PM GMT
Loyalist gunmen forced their way into Finucane’s home on 12 February 1989 and shot the lawyer 14 times in front of his wife and three children. The 39-year-old had become prominent for defending IRA paramilitaries, often successfully.

It emerged that Brian Nelson, the Ulster Defence Association member who directed the organisation’s attacks, was an agent controlled by the British army’s force research unit.

The government promised a public inquiry in 2001, only to backtrack. The original investigation into the murder was ineffective and failed to meet the standards required under human rights law, the supreme court ruled last year.
Report lapsy pa November 30, 2020 6:01 PM GMT
Tough on his family,fair play to Louisa Haigh,morals at least unlike the current crew.
Report lapsy pa November 30, 2020 6:55 PM GMT
The Irish goverment issued a statement minutes after the UK's one condemning it.

Surely no inquiry is an admission of guilt and the British goverment were in fact in collusion with terrorists?
Report peckerdunne November 30, 2020 6:59 PM GMT
Sickening, really putrid but no surprise at all, just further acknowledgement of a conspiracy to protect those at the very very top...
Report lfc1971 November 30, 2020 7:37 PM GMT
I haven’t seen any evidence of collusion , and certainly not by the British government
I like facts .
Report peckerdunne November 30, 2020 7:54 PM GMT
The reason they refused was because of the evidence.The supreme court has said so and this won't be the end.
Report lapsy pa November 30, 2020 8:02 PM GMT
It won't be the end, America and other countries will want to know why this hasn't been investigated properly,we all know why, you like to point the finger lfc but like only doing it in one direction.

No goverment would want an inquiry when the results may come to the conclusion of aiding and abetting terrorism?
Report lfc1971 November 30, 2020 8:10 PM GMT
I’m not pointing the finger , I’m pretty sure what happened
Report lfc1971 November 30, 2020 8:12 PM GMT
The British government does not get involved in killing lawyers
They know he worked for people who committed murder
And they know that’s how the system works
Report peckerdunne November 30, 2020 8:13 PM GMT
Please do tell us all lfc.
Report lapsy pa November 30, 2020 8:17 PM GMT
Your ex PM David Cameroon disagrees with you and stated there was collusion.
Report lapsy pa November 30, 2020 8:19 PM GMT
Cameron even,
Report lfc1971 November 30, 2020 8:20 PM GMT
He can state all he likes ,there’s no evidence
Report Kelly November 30, 2020 8:29 PM GMT
As pointed out this evening by the Finucane family , the British Government are as usual kicking the can down the road rather than face a public enquiry . The whole legacy issue has been sidelined / binned by the current British Government , they want nothing to do with justice being seen to be done after due process in Northern Ireland ( part of the United Kingdom ) .

A well documented procedure adopted over the years when uncomfortable facts may be revealed and become facts historically  .

The PSNI have said they have no substantial new facts currently available within their organisation , yet the British Government is hiding behind an ongoing investigation by the PSNI .

Eventually the truth will be established , but by then anyone culpable will have moved on .

The Finucane family have repeatedly said they do not want prosecutions , just the ability to establish the truth and move towards finality , which is surely their right backed up by independent investigations ( Stephens etc ) and David Cameron apologetic comments .
Report lapsy pa November 30, 2020 8:29 PM GMT
As i said,they don't want/won't look for "evidence",hence it is natural to presume if they don't want the facts out they are guilty.
Report peckerdunne November 30, 2020 8:31 PM GMT
The MRF was succeeded by the Special Reconnaissance Unit (SRU; or 14 Intelligence Company) and, later, by the Force Research Unit (FRU).

YEAH RIGHT LFC
Report Angoose November 30, 2020 8:36 PM GMT

Nov 30, 2020 -- 2:19PM, lapsy pa wrote:


Cameron even,


You were right the first time Grin

Report peckerdunne November 30, 2020 8:37 PM GMT
Laugh
Report Kelly November 30, 2020 8:44 PM GMT
The credibility of the PSNI was also severely undermined last week when 2 completely innocent Northern Ireland journalists were awarded large damages for wrongful arrest .

Their only "crime" was to have published a book ( made into a film --No Stone Unturned --) regarding the facts / investigations involved in  the murder of 6 innocents ( one an 85 year old ) shot in a quiet Loughinisland pub watching a World Cup match .

The common thread in both these was the allegation of state collusion with those guilty of the respective murders .
Report lfc1971 November 30, 2020 8:52 PM GMT
They claimed collusion , despite there being no actual evidence that any officer
had committed any offence or even breached the police code of conduct
Report lfc1971 November 30, 2020 8:56 PM GMT
The book has no evidence and the film has no evidence of any collusion
Report Kelly November 30, 2020 10:39 PM GMT
If there was no collusion it could be proved in an official enquiry . So why not have a public enquiry if you have nothing to hide ?

There are too many loose ends in both cases that arouse suspicion in any normal person that facts were being hidden to protect someone .
Report akabula November 30, 2020 11:08 PM GMT
Why have an inquiry into the death of a member of the ira?
Report shiny new shoes please November 30, 2020 11:53 PM GMT
The dogs on the street know who's involved , it's no secret

It's how the u.k does business till it backfires dramatically

Which often happens.

Denial is what the u.k do best.
Report akabula December 1, 2020 12:18 AM GMT
Great facts based post snsp you can't get a better source than the dogs in the street.
Report shiny new shoes please December 1, 2020 12:22 AM GMT
Not the brightest akabula or stuck in denial , makes no difference
Never mind its a funny old world
U.k did a great job for recruitment by killing innocent people
Report akabula December 1, 2020 12:30 AM GMT
Have a wee bitter lemon, it might sweeten you up. Laugh
Report shiny new shoes please December 1, 2020 12:32 AM GMT
In sweet enuf xx
Report shiny new shoes please December 1, 2020 12:35 AM GMT
You wanted facts
There's one.
U.k helped out by killing innocents

Dirty war

Who won?
Report akabula December 1, 2020 12:41 AM GMT
Think whatever you want, its your prerogative.
Report shiny new shoes please December 1, 2020 12:51 AM GMT
Why thank u xxx
My hero!
Report lfc1971 December 1, 2020 8:48 AM GMT
You see here we have the problem in Ireland , people will believe the propaganda regardless of evidence
That’s very dangerous and leads to lives lost
Report lfc1971 December 1, 2020 9:12 AM GMT
Pat Finucanes son , Sinn Fein mp John Finucane has refused to condemn
the murder of solicitor Edgar Graham
Anne Graham, the sister of Edgar says she just wants Sinn Fein to condemn her brothers murder
Report lapsy pa December 1, 2020 12:22 PM GMT
No propaganda,the reality is you are going against a supreme courts findings,why?

Findings,reviews whatever you want to call them didn't work in the Bloody Sunday killings,Birmingham 6 etc until the actual truth was exposed from the pack of lies with a public inquiry.

Mary Lou calling you out with "exposes in the most dramatic fashion the reality of collusion between the British state and the British goverment at the very highest level"

If so, shouldn't the many lives lost due to that interference be made public?
Report peckerdunne December 1, 2020 12:31 PM GMT
Too big,too high profile, too many dead as a direct result.The truth is too awful.

I remember when they tried to put it about that Martin was in fact an informer protected by the very same.

Imagine something as huge as that but true.

Maybe when they are all dead we will get to the truth.
Report lapsy pa December 1, 2020 12:41 PM GMT
Great post PD,totally agree.
Report lapsy pa March 12, 2021 6:55 PM GMT
The council of Europe is on the case as the UK has not addressed an adequate investigation into it.

The cover up needs exposing.

It has to be an independent inquiry as no one will give justice against themselves.
Report lfc1971 March 12, 2021 9:14 PM GMT
Will take a look at that , confidence in the British government
Report lapsy pa March 12, 2021 9:21 PM GMT
"council of Europe to reopen investigation into Pat Finucanes murder" RTE.
Report casemoney March 22, 2021 1:42 AM GMT
Watched the " MIAMI SHOWBAND " Doc ,the other night Sad What Sicko's thought that one up , Guys completely harmless and a Mixture of religions

Incredible Sad
Report casemoney March 22, 2021 1:44 AM GMT
Think the Bass guitarist will not let it rest and rightly so  ,was there any further updates following the Documentary ?
Report tobermory March 22, 2021 12:37 PM GMT
In Northern Ireland they should just have done the same as South Africa: just declare an amnesty for every killing prior to the new deal.....

People were able to come forward and say 'I killed so and so' which at least left relatives clear about what happened, even if there would be no prosecution.

What we have with N Ireland though is people clamouring for investigations into decades old killings by British forces but no interest in finding out who exactly carried out IRA shootings etc

If they insist on investigating Finucane,Bloody Sunday etc then make sure to find 100+ detectives to reexamine all the bombings etc carried out by republicans.

IMO just don't bother and draw a line under the whole thing.
Report lapsy pa March 22, 2021 12:51 PM GMT
This isn't about the IRA,this is about were the British goverment in collusion with loyalist terrorists?
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2021 1:11 PM GMT
N Ireland’s first minister Arlene Foster is to present a dossier to Taoiseach Micheal Martin containing allegations the
Irish State colluded with the IRA
Mr Martin will be asked to study the file which is claimed points to ‘ collusion between the provisional IRA
and gardai ‘ and provide answers on behalf of the state

‘ I trust this will be an opportunity to set out the concerns of many innocent victims and press forward with the Irish state
  being able to provide families with some answers ‘
Report tobermory March 22, 2021 1:47 PM GMT
Lapsy, well a lot of unsolved deaths were about the IRA. No doubt there are a few 'people in government' (Sinn Fein) that could enlighten us about those.

Either investigate all of it or none of it is my view.
Report peckerdunne March 22, 2021 1:57 PM GMT
Yeah, investigate it all, starting at the very heart of Westminster.
That in it self self is a lifetime work.

Maybe, eventually, you can nick the odd Garda for using his loaf....in 'the spirit of the nation' Grin man from Castlebar Laugh
Report casemoney March 22, 2021 2:03 PM GMT
Using dirty tactics in conflicts nothing new, far from exclusive to the British Government

infact using them against armies on terrorists acceptable .,WORLDWIDE

Using them against completely innocent people such as the MIAMI SHOWBAND shocking ,what

was that meant to achieve Sad
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2021 2:14 PM GMT
IRA member Kieran Conway has claimed that some members of the Irish government and the gardai colluded with the IRA

From 1973 - 97 the U.K. sought the extradition of 110 republican suspects from the Irish Republic
But only 42 were arrested and only 8 were extradited
Report peckerdunne March 22, 2021 2:23 PM GMT
Using them against completely innocent people such as the MIAMI SHOWBAND shocking ,what

was that meant to achieve Sad


They wanted to paint a picture Case, in order to stiffen up the campaign, every Irishman is a threat.It all went terribly wrong and resulted in ques to 'sign up'and many more dead.
Report peckerdunne March 22, 2021 2:24 PM GMT
IRA member Kieran Conway has claimed that some members of the Irish government and the gardai colluded with the IRA

From 1973 - 97 the U.K. sought the extradition of 110 republican suspects from the Irish Republic
But only 42 were arrested and only 8 were extradited


Luckily LFC would never believe the words of an IRA man.
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2021 2:26 PM GMT
Those are the official figures pd , and those are the words of the member of the IRA
Report peckerdunne March 22, 2021 2:28 PM GMT
And lfc, you know full well, that it was not a policy and as a Garda in that area NE of DROGHEDA, you just wanted to get home safe and not be doing anything stupid, and who can blame them.
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2021 2:28 PM GMT
Has Martin and the Irish government and the gardai opened an investigation ?
Report casemoney March 22, 2021 2:29 PM GMT
Never Mind ur UDR UVF mob  there were no shortage of RA members who had been flipped ,but forget about them .
Report peckerdunne March 22, 2021 2:29 PM GMT
Show some evidence................
Report peckerdunne March 22, 2021 2:30 PM GMT
to lfc
Report lfc1971 March 22, 2021 2:31 PM GMT
That’s a no then , until they do forget about any investigation by the U.K. , cheers
Report peckerdunne March 22, 2021 2:31 PM GMT
Yes Case...........

You catch no fish in clear waters.
Report casemoney March 22, 2021 3:06 PM GMT
Bro in law staunch republican , I sent him a plate with a picture of Prince Phillip on it one year for his Birthday Grin His main worry was the postmen had not had a look inside Laugh

Pmsfl He went mad Laugh
Report casemoney March 22, 2021 3:09 PM GMT
I often send him a text Xmass day to remind him the Queen is on LaughGrinLaugh

I cant put the replies on here GrinGrinGrin
Report casemoney March 22, 2021 3:10 PM GMT
English followed by a word beginning with C  is usually in them Laugh
Report peckerdunne March 22, 2021 3:16 PM GMT
Laugh v good
Report lapsy pa March 22, 2021 5:34 PM GMT
Glad to see you are in favour of inquiries into goverments collusion with terrorists Lfc.
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