New opinion research poll has Con 8 ahead.

Spot on donny but thats politics all over. Theres plenty of people who defend policies and personalities just because they come from a politician who is in "their" party.

Rational people in political discussions are in even shorter supply than in life in general.

I think it is more media pushing polls that suit their narrative than it is people. We have seen polls getting it wrong but even at the last GE they began to show the trend to Labour in the final few days. So they need a fair deal of consideration before you take anything solid from them imo.

I remember Labour were well in the lead, and Mr Kinnock already had one-foot in No 10...

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Westminster voting projection, turnout adjusted:

LAB: 43% (+7)
CON: 37% (-9)
LIB: 10% (+2)
UKP: 4% (+1)
GRN: 2% (-)

@DeltapollUK
, 28–30 Mar
Changes with 21–23 Feb

(Headline figures: LAB 41, CON 36, LIB 7, UKP 7, GRN 3)

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Westminster voting projection, turnout adjusted:

LAB: 38% (-)
CON: 38% (-2)
LIB: 11% (+2)
UKP: 5% (-)
GRN: 3% (-)

@OpiniumResearch
, 28–29 Mar
Changes with 20–22 Mar

(Headline figures: CON 35, LAB 35, LIB 9, UKP 9, GRN 5)

Never trust the polls.

These polls with a big Labour lead appear just as May is pushing for a General Election but elements in the establishment do not want one right now.

The more brexit looks likely to go through the worse it gets for the tories,what a dilemma for them

The more brexit looks likely to go through the worse it gets for the tories,what a dilemma for them

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I've just been looking at polling in the regions of the UK, and I think if there were a snap election, the Tories could well be in real trouble in the south of England. In the south (excl. London), it's CON
⬇️
7.3% and LAB
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2.0%.

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Interestingly, while the Revoke Article 50 petition is not necessarily reflective of how the country would vote in a 2nd referendum, these results align with the notable shift towards Remain apparent in the south, something which could be driving Tory misfortune.

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This hasn't been picked up on by political commentators and other psephologists, and it may mean eating my hat come a snap election, but it does appear like a long-term shift is continuing in party support by region. OTOH, LAB losing more support than CON in Midlands.

Labour could be headong for a diaster in the midlands,its gradually crept to working class areas going tory a lot of the seats have always been quite close but looks very dangerous for labour,for example they lost Telford up the road from me and they may well lose it again massive brexit area..These are the sort of seats labour should be winning by a landslide,thet need to target seats like this and a very strange candidate there,they put up a sikh there last time in a huge brexit working class area against a white woman were never going to win.

Do you want them to pander to racists ?

You have also posted many times that Labour should be for/in favour of remaining so how do they appeal to a big leave area and remainers ?

labour are the only party with a workable brexit policy

funny old world

Telford is also a large muslim area,so not only did they have the anti brexit vote but the muslim vote mustv'e been lost as well pretty sure muslims and sikhs do not get on,whoever picked that candidate mustv'e had a brain the size of a pea.They still only just lost the seat so no reason why they can't win it even on a remain candidate i don't know how the vote is made up there,but putting a sikh up was laughable trying to win that seat.

I also said labour should be seen to be a party of backing remain,i never really thought that would happen they just had to make sure they weren't backing a tory brexit if recent polls are anything to go by its wprking already..

We are a secular society and cannot, must not start to pick and choose on grounds other than merit.

If that were the case we would have women in full burkhas in white working class brexit areas,it's never going to happen certainly not in foreseaable future.

That is a disconcerting post.

labour are the only party with a workable brexit policy

Most political commentators and electorate seem to be confused about what that may be Donny ? Remain ?

its been said often enough treetop, but if you wish to feign ignorance
carry on...

Corbyn keeps sounding confused and if the leader doesn't explain it most of the country cant understand it. Remain ? Talk to Brussels,stab May in the back,I would appreciate it if you could elaborate on that.

????

Hahaha 'confused' - saying the same thing, same plan over and over is now confusing hahaha.

So,what is the plan ?

A permanent and comprehensive customs union with the EU;
    Close alignment with the Single Market;
    Dynamic alignment on rights and protections;
    Commitments on participation in EU agencies and funding programmes;
    Unambiguous agreements on the detail of future security arrangements.

And how is he going to achieve that with an EU that has been obstructive, just by talking or caving in repeatedly ? Sounds more like Remain to most people and he would command more respect by admitting it.

treetop, why are you on here asking people policy questions then criticise them when they help you?

I am not criticising them pp, just pointing out the naivety that Corbyn is taking the easy route standing back,not offering much but easy platitudes, instead of working with the govt to get a reasonable solution to the referendum choice. We can easily say we can talk to the EU and claim a solution but the EU have consistently blocked any reasonable approach by the govt and May,for all of her faults,has shown incredible resilience trying to steer a path through an absolute minefield.I see the only path as a No Deal that should have been prepared for long ago but feel the EU is going to dump this on us when our civil service and negativity in Westminster has left us high and dry.

Perhaps May has now eventually realised the folly of calling an unnecessary general election? Perhaps she should have resigned immediately the result was known? Perhaps she should have discussed matters earlier with Corbyn rather than the ERG or DUP?  Perhaps...

That decision will go down as her worst choice,wounded herself unnecessarily. Tip for you pp for fun, Canvassed at Kempton tonight,a knocking bet.

I don't do horses normally but thanks anyway. I will be having a bet on the Grand National though!

You said he was confused. Then you asked for his plan. I gave you a reason why he does not sound confused at all and then gave you his plan.
Whether the EU would negotiate with his plan is up for debate but that is an entirely different issue of course.

treetop

you hadnt seen the plan, lol

but have a prepared reply when its posted...



quite layghable unless you now wish to play the only trolling card ...

Not really Donny,I hadn't seen the plan but it seems to be made up as he goes along to suit the media appeal. Even he has contradicted Starmer at times, Anyway my emotions are all more affable after lumping on the 6-45 and a 0-3 win tonight,even though that league 1 footie is gruesome to watch.

always nice to back a winner!

If Labour do force a General Election, they might get smashed. I believe that Mrs May lost at least a million votes by revoking the fixed term Parliament Act last time as the public widely support it. If either party trigger a Parliamentary vote (they need 66% of MP's in favour) to revoke it again they will lose votes.

she didnt revoke the act, she operated within the act.

she lost votes through her dreadful campaign of taxing the old and the dead

and supporting foxhunting.

CON: 32% (-4)
LAB: 31% (-2)
LDEM: 12% (+1)
UKIP: 7% (+3)
BREX: 5% (-)
GRN: 4% (-)

via @YouGov, 02 - 03 Apr
Chgs. w/ 25 Mar

Highest LibDem figure for 12 years apparently.

13% for UKIP/BREXIT is highest for a while?

As the Newport by election highlighted, all these anti brexit parties are doing is splitting the leave vote and allowing the remainer to win more easily in closely fought constituencies.

Why the sudden Lib Dem surge, people not trusting Labour's Brexit approach?

A clear remain option in an uncertain, untrustworthy political world.

How do SNP currently poll in Scotland?

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/area_scot.html

This is the best seat by seat guide for Scotland.

37% turnout is an ominous sign of the public view of all of them. The majority of voters refused to vote for any of the candidates on the ballot. That could happen in a General Election imo.

37% is ok for a by election. Usual stuff, apathy, poor weather, one party big favourite to win.

Shadow boxing.
Read nothing into the result.
Everybody wants to see the back of the Brexit humiliation, only a referendum can settle it.  It's the issue overhanging politics until we lance the boil and drain the poison. If the result of a referendum was certain, we wouldn't need it, but the sight of Leavers running scared and praying for the final whistle is cringeworthy.

By-election    Turnout %
Manchester Central by-election, 2012    18.2%
Leeds Central by-election, 1999    19.6%
Shoreditch and Finsbury by-election, 1958    24.9%
Wigan by-election, 1999    25.0%
Tottenham by-election, 2000    25.4%
Cardiff South and Penarth by-election, 2012    25.7%
Batley and Spen by-election, 2016    25.8%
Newham South by-election, 1974    25.9%
Middlesbrough by-election, 2012    26.0%
Croydon North by-election, 2012    26.5%
West Bromwich West by-election, 2000    27.6%
Feltham and Heston by-election, 2011    28.8%
Preston by-election, 2000    29.6%
Kensington and Chelsea by-election, 1999    29.7%

stoke on trent 2017 by election 165% .....nuttall 103% swing

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Welsh Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 33% (-2)
CON: 26% (-3)
PC: 15% (+1)
CHUK: 9% (+9)
LDEM: 7% (+1)
BREX: 4% (+4)
UKIP: 3% (-3)

Even in wales this tigs party getting 9%,looks like the good old brits are settling for the middle of the road yet again,may as wekl get blair back..

Same Wales pattern as before. Labour and Tories down, Plaid and LibDem up. Brexit and UKIP parties splitting the leave vote effectively nullifying their impact. CHUK at 9% is significant but can they maintain that support at elections? So far they have refused to stand for re-election in their own constituencies and didn't put forward a candidate for the Newport by election.

This is wales though not england,if this is a growing trend its back to centre ground politucs and goodbye labour which at the moment looks ominous,been the same since the beginning of time in the uk nothing ever changes the status quo remains.

rocking all over the world!

how can you call the 2016 vote close, leave won by more than a  million votes, no deal isnt the disaster many mps would have you beleive, other countries arent suddenly gonna stop trading with us because were out of the eu, prices arent suddenly gonna shoot up, this is all project fear

Both status quos would be awful..

LAB: 43% CON: 34%

I couldn't post on here for some reason earlier but it let me start a thread !

Clear your cookies (data history).

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Westminster voting intention (ft. new parties):

LAB: 31% (-3)
CON: 29% (-10)
CHUK: 8% (+8)
LDEM: 8% (-4)
UKIP: 7% (+2)
BREX: 6% (+6)
GRN: 4% (-)

via @BMGResearch, 02 - 05 Apr
Chgs. w/ 08 Mar standard voting intention.

Back to reality..

Don't tell enpassant...

We have updated England and Wales General Election voting intention from polling conducted 3rd-8th April:



Top-line voting intention figures (change vs 2017 General Election results):

CON 37% (-8) LAB 41% (-1) LD 10% (+2) UKIP 7% (+5) GRE 2% (nc) PC 1% (nc) CHUK/TIG 1% (new) AP 2%

Survation

All these polls suggest the same thing to me that I've thought for a while that a GE would lead to a Labour coalition with SNP/LD or both.

I don't believe these polls yet,if you read anything from tiry or labour members everybody seems to be dissatisfied i find it hard to believe these smaller partys aren't going to get more of the vote if things continue how they are..

Some of the smaller parties like CHUK, UKIP, Brexit, Green etc might get extra votes but highly doubtful they can translate that into Westminster seats.

It's gonna be a hung parliament almost certainly though as it stands.

last 3 elections have not really produced the form result though - cameron was expected to win outright in 2010, got a majority in 2015 when another hung parliament was likely and then may blew a huge lead in 2017. you'd have to pretty brave to stick your neck in these unpredictable times

Politicspunter betting rule 1..

Go for the one with the biggest price antepost then balance your book nearer the event.

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19h19 hours ago

Westminster voting projection, turnout adjusted:

LAB: 41% (+1)
CON: 38% (+1)
LDM: 10% (-1)
UKP: 4% (N/A)
GRN: 2% (N/A)
TIG: 1% (+1)

@Survation, 3–8 April (England and Wales polled; we have imputed Scotland results to give a GB-wide share)
Changes with 15 Mar.
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19h19 hours ago

Current aggregate general election forecast (GB-only; changes with 2017):

LAB: 38.1% (-2.9)
CON: 35.2% (-8.2)
LDM: 9.9% (+2.4)
UKP: 4.3% (+2.4)
SNP: 3.6% (+0.5)
GRN: 2.9% (+1.2)
BRX: 2.7% (+2.7)
PCY: 0.8% (+0.3)
TIG: 0.7% (+0.7)

Apr 11, 2019 -- 1:49PM, unitedbiscuits wrote:

Don't tell enpassant...

It may be that you are becoming a little fixated on me UB. Let it go.

Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 32% (+1)
CON: 28% (-4)
LDM: 11% (-1)
BXP: 8% (+3)
UKIP: 6% (-1)
CHUK: 3% (New)

Via @YouGov, 10-11 Apr.
Changes w/ 2-3 Apr.

There has to be a limit somewhere to Conservative members patience.

^It is said to be the first youguv poll to give Labour a lead since 2018

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Graham Woodhouse
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3h3 hours ago
Replying to @ElectionMapsUK @YouGov

If @UKLabour are 4 points ahead of the Tories on YouGov then the reality must be that they are at least 8 points clear.
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'Joe

Joe

'@JoeDynastyX
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Replying to @ElectionMapsUK @YouGov

Labour are ahead in YOUGOV! This is something I never thought I'd see! '

It seems there is an amount of cynicism out there for these pollsters !

A new Corbyn smear must be being worked on frantically.

If only there was an election tomorrow it might be relevant.

As for "Corbyn smears" isnt that just a twisted way of criticizing someone who has pointed out something embarrassing
or damaging he has done in the past.

Well, no, Dotchinite. There is a double-page article in today's Mail On Sunday about some perceived fault in Corbyn. The piece is framed under a picture of the back of Hitler's head, addressing a Nuremburg rally. I think Corbyn a weak, dishonest leader, but that treatment is disgusting.

UB you can find articles in tabloid papers against all politicians that arent fair or balanced. In fact ones like you quote cause damage as they encourage the paranoid to believe somehow Corbyn is targetted with smears.
I wouldnt generalise and say all the stories are justified especially when you are referring to things such as the Mail
but the basis for so much of the criticism against him is based on his previous actions and comments.

Middle ground politics will soon revive as the main two parties dont represent anyone bar the fringes at both extremes.
Thats not sustainable and someone will fill this void be it Change UK or someone else.

Conservative funded change uk friends of israel supporter liar,again politucs of lies and deciet already being seen through..

What?

same old song from the tory fanboys any chance to discredit Jeremy and they are all over it , the tory lie machine and the financial institutions , billionaire  right wing press barons at it all the time

The Spiv filth have destroyed this country with their free market agenda

More people in employment than ever,unemployment among the lowest in Europe,especially under 25's,hundreds of thousands queuing up to get into the UK each year and general satisfaction with most people equates to destroyed ??? ffs get real lads.

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Our Westminster voting intention, as of 12 Apr:

Lab: 34.7% (-6.4)
Con: 33.1% (-10.5)
LDem: 10.0% (+2.4))
UKIP: 7.4% (+5.5)
Grn: 4.3% (+2.6)

[Oth]: 10.5% (+6.4)

Chgs. w/ GE2017 result.

Apr 14, 2019 -- 12:36PM, Dotchinite wrote:

If only there was an election tomorrow it might be relevant.As for "Corbyn smears" isnt that just a twisted way of criticizing someone who has pointed out something embarrassingor damaging he has done in the past.

Nonsense.

Apr 14, 2019 -- 8:53PM, treetop wrote:

More people in employment than ever,unemployment among the lowest in Europe,especially under 25's,hundreds of thousands queuing up to get into the UK each year and general satisfaction with most people equates to destroyed ??? ffs get real lads.

An hours work a week is 'employed' ffs get serious will you. The under 25's are being exploited across the board almost. Interviews for youngsters now often consist of doing a f..king shift of unpaid work.....ffs. One post available and they interview 30/40 kids and make them do a shift 'to see' if they are suitable f..k right off.

Treetop living in the land of fantasy,no doubt a baby boomer with own house and decent pension why anyone over 65 thinks they can comment on how things are bemuses me...You could put a list of 20 things that are setting us back,kids going to school without having anything to eat as parents are living in poverty as produced yesterday by the national education survey,foodbanks being used by 10s of thousands no one able to afford a house rents through the roof,wages are pathetic..Underfunding of schools,hospitals community centres all shut down and hospitals being shut down...The list is huge,people are happy and satisfied what a load of bollox..

But the countries in the EU like France, Spain, Italy and Greece with left leaning Governments are paragons of virtue enjoying huge public support.

The Spiv experiment over the last 40 years has divided and destroyed this country , all done with planning and malice not by accident

Apr 15, 2019 -- 9:19AM, sageform wrote:

But the countries in the EU like France, Spain, Italy and Greece with left leaning Governments are paragons of virtue enjoying huge public support.

????

Apr 15, 2019 -- 9:19AM, sageform wrote:

But the countries in the EU like France, Spain, Italy and Greece with left leaning Governments are paragons of virtue enjoying huge public support.

Lol j.... wept

I am with you anx, the last 40 years under the EU mafia has divided us and had a massive impact ! Some of you need a wake up call to get out of your comfy middle class anguish classes and get a life.

The polls surely are giving even less incentive for Corbyn to do a deal with May. Why exactly will he throw them any bone when it's clear as day the Tories are disintegrating at the polls.

Apr 16, 2019 -- 2:19AM, n88uk wrote:

The polls surely are giving even less incentive for Corbyn to do a deal with May. Why exactly will he throw them any bone when it's clear as day the Tories are disintegrating at the polls.

Precisely. Some have posted that Corbyn needed to 'do something'. Time has shown that waiting for the tory implosion was the simplest and best way. JC4M!

Best way to get elected and the best way to destroy the UK economy.

How exactly ?