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23 Feb 19 21:12
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LAB 32 (-5)
CON 40 (+3)
TIG 6
LD 5 (-3)
UKIP 7 (=)

Tiggers taking votes from Labour and LibDem but not Conservative.

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By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 23 Feb 19 21:36
Incredible. Everywhere you look in this Govt of all the talentless - PM, Home Sec, Foreign Sec, Defence, Transport you see jackass behaviour that makes the UK an international laughing-stock. Factions of the party are operating more or less autonomously. They have completely screwed up relations with the EU, China, Japan..even Trump can barely disguise his contempt for this newly diminished country. And they are 8 points clear of the opposition.
By:
politicspunter
When: 23 Feb 19 21:38
The biggest thing I take from this poll (and there is likely to be more over the weekend) is that Vince Cable's days as LibDem leader are numbered.
By:
politicspunter
When: 23 Feb 19 21:42
And another one tonight from Deltapoll, a company I am not familiar with but similar results.

CON: 39%
LAB: 31%
TIG: 11%
LDEM: 5%
UKIP: 4%

via @DeltapollUK, 21 - 22 Feb
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 23 Feb 19 21:52
Politics dividing along Leave/Remain lines.
By:
politicspunter
When: 23 Feb 19 21:52
Oh stop it please.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 23 Feb 19 21:54
If Labour mirrored 65% of their voters by supporting remain, they would be 10 clear now.
By:
thegiggilo
When: 23 Feb 19 21:55
Its been obvious for over a couple months what was gping to happen,i said we were are getting to kinnock and foot territory ages ago those politucs markets are going to crash soon..i bet that 4/7 no general; election this year will take a walk/.The tprys were never gping to bvote for that tiggers [party..no great surprioses just a matter of when labour gp below 30% now.
By:
politicspunter
When: 23 Feb 19 22:00
I'm not convinced in the sub 30 forecast (yet!). Tiggers were at 17% through the week, let's see what happens in a few weeks.
By:
thegiggilo
When: 23 Feb 19 22:04
It dorsn't matter just the fact the tories are gaining votes,would seem an impossibility,more top leave labour the tories now know they can do anything they like,incredible corbyns destroying the labour part should be 10 pointsd clear struggling to even be leader soon or a deluded losing one..
By:
politicspunter
When: 23 Feb 19 22:09
Maybe Soubry and co leaving the tories have helped boost their vote?
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 23 Feb 19 22:10
The Labour Party were presented with an open goal from the ref; Brexit was always going to be a right-wing vehicle and Labour could have defined themselves against it, they could never hope to "out-Brexit" the Govt. I think I read somewhere that Corbyn is supposedly "the leader of the opposition".
They thought it would be cute to "sit it out". How's that working out for them?
By:
politicspunter
When: 23 Feb 19 22:11
Well, they were 25 points behind...
By:
thegiggilo
When: 23 Feb 19 22:12
40% of vopterts going for topry the state their in,just fond it incredible thogt we'd totally moved away fro  those figyures im beginning to wionfer of people who voted labour ladt time are now actually voting toryShockedseems no way back imagine of the torys axctually do something right...
By:
thegiggilo
When: 23 Feb 19 22:12
40% of vopterts going for topry the state their in,just fond it incredible thogt we'd totally moved away fro  those figyures im beginning to wionfer of people who voted labour ladt time are now actually voting toryShockedseems no way back imagine of the torys axctually do something right...
By:
politicspunter
When: 23 Feb 19 22:17
The tory vote has been at roughly 40% since the general election.
By:
thegiggilo
When: 23 Feb 19 22:26
Exactly how could it be at the 40% range still,can only get bigger its obviously a combination of corbyn and brexit,i do agree that voting remain they would be level at least,how can the tory vote get smaller or labour vote get bigger unless corbyn does something that actually means something..The worst goverment in history,yet 8 points clear,just unbelievable
looks like i'm going to win on a bet i don't want to win.Cry
By:
enpassant
When: 23 Feb 19 22:29

Feb 23, 2019 -- 9:52PM, politicspunter wrote:


Oh stop it please.


Hahahahaha !

By:
politicspunter
When: 23 Feb 19 22:31

Feb 23, 2019 -- 10:26PM, thegiggilo wrote:


Exactly how could it be at the 40% range still,can only get bigger its obviously a combination of corbyn and brexit,i do agree that voting remain they would be level at least,how can the tory vote get smaller or labour vote get bigger unless corbyn does something that actually means something..The worst goverment in history,yet 8 points clear,just unbelievablelooks like i'm going to win on a bet i don't want to win.


I can only suggest that both Tory and labour have a similar core vote with labours being more volatile than the tories.

By:
politicspunter
When: 23 Feb 19 22:34
I,for one, am far from convinced that post brexit, the tory vote is going to hold up.
By:
enpassant
When: 23 Feb 19 22:36
F..k the polls ! (no offence pp !). Peak TIG won't last long and a unified, left wing heavy (the Purge has begun people ) Labour party will form the next government. JC at last starting to give some back to the deceptaCons in our party !
By:
thegiggilo
When: 23 Feb 19 22:37
The theory of voting for corbyn as a protest vote might be proved to be a realization,this tiggers group just make things look slightly worse but certainly not tiouching the torys as was their plan anyway..Those tiry defectirs will be back there in 6 months,there won't be a tigger party and not convinced the labour part will get much if any of the bvote back,unless corbyn actually doers something..
By:
thegiggilo
When: 23 Feb 19 22:37
The theory of voting for corbyn as a protest vote might be proved to be a realization,this tiggers group just make things look slightly worse but certainly not tiouching the torys as was their plan anyway..Those tiry defectirs will be back there in 6 months,there won't be a tigger party and not convinced the labour part will get much if any of the bvote back,unless corbyn actually doers something..
By:
enpassant
When: 23 Feb 19 22:41
DOES WHAT ????????????????
By:
thegiggilo
When: 23 Feb 19 22:52
Anything,something that wins votes not losing them expel 500 members from labour party,go for peoples vote just anything
apart from have another terrible day,the torys are at their lowest should be destroying them,i remenmber the 80s anf its justy like that kinnock era..
By:
enpassant
When: 23 Feb 19 23:07
So play politics like the rest of the insincere rancids in the tory party and in TIGSLtD !
By:
enpassant
When: 23 Feb 19 23:08
If the electorate cannot see honest among the dishonest then the UK deserve the tigs and torys
By:
n88uk
When: 23 Feb 19 23:11
Well when Labour snub remain London or remain Scotland, how can they expect to win? Can't win off their heartlands alone.
By:
thegiggilo
When: 23 Feb 19 23:17
Where is the intelligence,thought process of gaining winning votes,it's just a self destruct button everyday,i've been ill the last couple of months so been following closely as i've been bettung fill time on horsexs for 20 years but had some health issues so been taking a bit more interrst..I read a lot of forums and look at as mich information as posible and thebrunning theme is,labour voters are saying i don't recognize this labour part can't vote for corbyn..It's everywhere the same message,my daughters head in her hands i tell her two days in advance now of what disaster corbyn will do next and bugger me he goes and does it..You have to platy the game at some point and use your intelligence,the tories are winning by a landslie and worst government in history,if corbyn doesn't do something recognizable ot will be abnother 10 years of it..
By:
thegiggilo
When: 23 Feb 19 23:22
It's im[possible to wion an election outright without remain vote,i campaigned for the vote as well thought it was obvious that's what labour would do and bugger me they do the opposiote,its impossible to win from same postion as the torys all you;re doing is maybe getting a small tory minority goverment not unless you have some great madterplabn..
I keep thonking corbyns got this genius plan,which he;s going to display but then its just one dosaster after another its just ridiculous people are justy bored of it,apathy has set in and i'm staunch labour,what will happen the turnout will be poor and no one will vote ;abour its a certainty..
By:
enpassant
When: 23 Feb 19 23:44
Again DO WHAT ?
By:
thegiggilo
When: 23 Feb 19 23:45
The figure just before christmas was labour if enabling the tory brexit and no peoples voter their % vote could fall to 26% worst since the 1930s the warning was there,so how is it going to be counteracted...
By:
enpassant
When: 24 Feb 19 00:47
In what way to you suggest Labour are enabling a tory brexit ?
1. Do you believe Labour should be stopping brexit ?
2. Do you say they should articulate their own brexit more clearly ?

It's his open enemies that want him to back a PV - they would stop at nothing to stop him being PM- so ask yourself why are they trolling him to back a PV ?

He will be PM.
By:
thegiggilo
When: 24 Feb 19 01:10
How are they going to win votes what's the tactic where the things that are going to change to get everyine onside,i've already said most i speak to have the same point of view they won't vote for corbyn because of this antesemetism situation and not having a peoples vote is now obviously adding to it,although not as much as the first point.They just see day after day if disaster,whats going to turn it around so people thik the opposite oif him i don't get it,like i said the young vote will be gone they won't vote just on the antesemitism thing alone.You say the enemies are the ones that wanted a peoples vote the majority of younf voters wanted the peoples vote and they are the core voters...that;s why they are going away in droves...
By:
thegiggilo
When: 24 Feb 19 01:24
This is why the younger generation wanted a vote they didn't wany to leave the eu and they wanted at least a chance to vote in it,
71% of 17-24yr olds wanted to remain now they can't have that vote and thats why they are leaving in droves,corbyn cannot possibly win.
By:
enpassant
When: 24 Feb 19 01:42
This is what I actually said 'It's his open enemies that want him to back a PV' not what you posted I said - "You say the enemies are the ones that wanted a peoples vote" -

I think perhaps you have too much faith in what you are hearing from the media. I cannot account for those you speak to other than to say they are either so anti Corbyn that they don't even look for the truth or like you have too much faith in the news media.

I think you are wrong about Corbyn on many counts and though I agree the young in the main want to stay in the EU they are certainly not 'leaving in droves'. The young are also overwhelmingly socialist and they only have one home for that and it is Corbyn's Labour party- Oh Jeremy Corbyn is THEIR MANTRA and they will help push him to power.
By:
enpassant
When: 24 Feb 19 01:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzO03oAetx8
By:
thegiggilo
When: 24 Feb 19 01:56
Can't afford to lose 1% of the young vote never mind 10-20% and that was just to keep a minority government in,what you have to remember a lot of middle class voters voted for labour because of them likely being remain,the floating voters unless they are appeased more votes lost.Unless you play clever or at least be percieved to be clever you cannot win elections,you have to have awareness intelligence of the way different people in society think not just from one point of view,so far corbyn has shown no awareness of anything.We shall see,it just looks like headlong into traffic at the moment the tirys are loving it not even having to do a thing,just crashing and burning..
By:
enpassant
When: 24 Feb 19 02:12
Your stated opinions on Corbyn are the polar opposite to mine and I'm afraid nothing you are saying is impacting upon that. The tory party are ready to fall- you probably need to put that into your considerations about the young, the polls and the EU- if you already have done that and you still hold to your view then I suspect we will not see eye to eye until this all unfolds and we are left with an outcome. JC4PM
By:
thegiggilo
When: 24 Feb 19 02:14
I pointed out the bias on Question time on several forums i was the first person i knew to bring it up,i said the agenda was set then for the foreseable future,but even on these forums the support for labour has gone same running theme,older labour voters say they don't recognize the party won't vote corbyn these are all recent they weren't saying these things 12 months ago..
I think we will be waiting another 6 years before labour get in,as you say the young are to the left i know that but i think they won't vote and even if they do the floating voters have gone or split,the only hope is that corbyn defines himself more and of course there is the strong possibility of terrible new tiory leader..
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