EU starting to run scared.

^^See what I mean.

No, explain verbosely.

Also explain verbosely where

edy • February 10, 2019 8:55 AM GMT
Dr Crippen, what evidence, this can be anecdotal if you wish, are you basing your verdict on that the EU is running mightily scared?

and

edy • February 9, 2019 3:30 PM GMT
Are they actually running scared? Can you back that up convincingly or is it more wishful thinking?

Just like the leading Brexiteers are ideologues that are willing to make the country suffer for their extremely elitist neoliberal market radical free trade paradise, the remaining EU countries are willing to take smaller individual hits than the UK to protect the European project.

contain personal digs towards you. Thank you in advance.

*contain personal, provocative digs towards you that prevent you, as you said, from answering.

I see little point in continuing the exchange if you're going to fly off the handle.

Running scared...

Tusker resorting to school boy insults.

Junker having nothing to say.

Barner saying in the case of a no deal Brexit the EU are looking for an immediate solution to a hard border in Ireland using technology showing the 'backstop' up to be a sham (what Patriots have said all along).

The EU know if they keep pushing the fake Ireland agenda and have to go through with it they will destroy the ROI Economy.

I am not familiar with that saying, but I promise I will not literally fly off the handle, Dr Crippen.

Feb 10, 2019 -- 12:05PM, Dr Crippen wrote:

I see little point in continuing the exchange if you're going to fly off the handle.

You mean if you have to deal with any questions? He’s quite carefully not flown off the handle despite provocation. Pointing out that you’re a trolling bluffer is just factual, it doesn’t require any anger.

Thank you IT.

What do you call what you're doing here Fatslogger, is that not trolling?

Feb 10, 2019 -- 12:08PM, InsiderTrader wrote:

Running scared...Tusker resorting to school boy insults.Junker having nothing to say.Barner saying in the case of a no deal Brexit the EU are looking for an immediate solution to a hard border in Ireland using technology showing the 'backstop' up to be a sham (what Patriots have said all along).The EU know if they keep pushing the fake Ireland agenda and have to go through with it they will destroy the ROI Economy.

If there is no need to worry and technology will obviously solve the border, why is anyone bothered about the backstop, which exists only as an option to address the border if no other solutions are found?

Obviously that the “solution” is largely unicorn tech is the problem here.

Feb 10, 2019 -- 12:12PM, Dr Crippen wrote:

What do you call what you're doing here Fatslogger, is that not trolling?

I call it pointing out uncomfortable truths, Crips. Sorry that you’re very bad at addressing them and not that much better at deflecting but you can’t blame anyone else for your own failings.

To be v clear, not that you don’t know, edy asked you to provide evidence, rather politely. You pretended he’d personally attacked you when he hadn’t (but you had tried to wind him and others up), as an excuse to avoid answering. You then tried to deflect that by pretending he’d got angry when he hadn’t (or at least hadn’t used angry posts, he may be a bit irritated at you or more likely he’s amused).

nope , you’re assuming we will come to a trade deal
We want to retain the option of a hard border if the EU are not reasonable
It’s up to them of course

Last image I have of Juncker, is of the Irish PM escorting him to his place after a most satisfying lunch I expect.   

He seemed very wobbly on his feet.

Why is the backstop there ? Because of the threat of violence by the Irish
and the remainers are in league with these men of violence in an attempt to overthrow the referendum result
Remember that

Feb 10, 2019 -- 12:29PM, lfc1971 wrote:

Why is the backstop there ? Because of the threat of violence by the Irish and the remainers are in league with these men of violence in an attempt to overthrow the referendum result Remember that

Err, can you explain this, with reference to where the Irish have threatened violence. Is this like various Tory MPs threatening violence if we don’t leave the EU?

What is this technological solution? I keep hearing about it all the time. I'd consider myself fairly well educated and can handle new tech so can someone give some details of the tech itself and how it protects either side from products entering that they would consider unsafe.

The IRA are Irish , the Irish people voted for members of the IRA murderers into government to their eternal shame to represent them
They are the ones threatening to bomb and murder and again

with reference to where the Irish have threatened violence

What was Blair on about here, published today?

Brexit: Tony Blair says no-deal exit will lead to 'really hard border' in 'devastating' blow to peace process in Northern Ireland

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-tony-blair-northern-ireland-hard-border-peace-process-good-friday-agreement-a8772056.html

No substance to it of course, just the usual Tony Blair waffle that leaves an impression without him giving any details.

doc - I take it you'll be equally scathing about brexiteers threatening violence on the streets if they don't get their version of brexit.


Y'know, to avoid being a complete hypocrite like.

LFC,don't be taking it out on the Irish just because you're having a sh1te brexit.

pa lapsy nothing has been decided in regards to Brexit

Exactly,just blame everyone else,so vogue at the moment anyway.

I like to put the blame we’re it lies , with the troublemakers and those who cannot respect a democratic vote
That’s the Irish and the remainers

The Irish have this attitude that the days of the British telling them what to do are over.

That’s fine of course , as long as they don’t start a campaign of bombing and murder that seems to me to be a good arrangement

regarding the tech,regardless whether its there or not,there was a woman on sky the other day saying it was there,you can transport shoes for example with an electronic chip saying where they were made,going,material, etc etc
but what the loon didn't try to answer or wasn't asked by  dumbo journo was, that's all well and good but using the usual example of chrlonated chicken, horse meat etc etc you highly unlikely to register it as such,it will be flaged up,chipped up as passing all the regulations and without physical checks smuggling etc will be rife
of course we no bo jo and the erg arnt interested in food,agri regulations they want dodgey chicken etc coming in in a race to the bottom to be in their eyes more competitive, fair enough but why don't they just admit it

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    Feb 10, 2019 -- 12:08PM, InsiderTrader wrote:


    Running scared...Tusker resorting to school boy insults.Junker having nothing to say.Barner saying in the case of a no deal Brexit the EU are looking for an immediate solution to a hard border in Ireland using technology showing the 'backstop' up to be a sham (what Patriots have said all along).The EU know if they keep pushing the fake Ireland agenda and have to go through with it they will destroy the ROI Economy.


If there is no need to worry and technology will obviously solve the border, why is anyone bothered about the backstop, which exists only as an option to address the border if no other solutions are found?

Obviously that the “solution” is largely unicorn tech is the problem here.


^^^^

Very simple the current agreement means the EU can reject any technology solution or any other trade deal to keep the UK in the Custom's Union paying them cash.

There is no incentive for the EU to sort out a technology solution or work with the UK to do so if they have the backstop.

If suddenly the option of keeping us under their control through the fake Irish border issue is gone then the EU will have to get serious about implimenting the technology and coming to a practical solution. 50 years since we put man on the moon yet some think border tech is impossible...

It is not and Barner has admitted as much. Tusker is angry because their dream of keeping us under their control is fading. Why else do think Tusker supports Corbyn's daft idea of keeping us in a Customs Union?

tech only works with folk who use it

there are tens of millions of border crossings in ireland each year

i'm not sure how they regulate non chipped goods

maybe harry potter and his mates can help

The Good Friday agreement lfc is there for a reason, you could always be honest with yourself and say you wouldn't send your own politician to the shop for a pint of milk.

Very simple the current agreement means the EU can reject any technology solution or any other trade deal to keep the UK in the Custom's Union paying them cash. Th e usual paranoia

There is no incentive for the EU to sort out a technology solution or work with the UK to do so if they have the backstop. We're the ones leaving. We're the ones saying it'd be so easy. Bit rich to ask them to sort out the finer details for us.

If suddenly the option of keeping us under their control through the fake Irish border issue is gone then the EU will have to get serious about implimenting the technology and coming to a practical solution. 50 years since we put man on the moon yet some think border tech is impossible... Again, if it's so easy must be a piece of cake for a Brit to figure it out. Presume someone already has. They've had a few years now.

It is not and Barner has admitted as much. Tusker is angry because their dream of keeping us under their control is fading. Why else do think Tusker supports Corbyn's daft idea of keeping us in a Customs Union? How many years has this gone on and you've managed to get the names of the 3 major Eurocrats wrong. Good going. And yep, usual paranoia again.

I take it you'll be equally scathing about brexiteers threatening violence on the streets if they don't get their version of brexit.

Where have I been scathing towards anyone?

I simply reported what Blair said today. I even wrote there was no substance to it.

So what were you on about?

yes I’m sure if Ireland learns to behave in a civilised way all will be fine,
Let’s see

doc - you're on about remainers or the EU using the threat of violence as a means of impeding the vote. No?

I was on about what I wrote.

I suggest you read it in connection to the post I was replying to.

My issue with tech is that it works for what you're wanting to deliver. If I manufacture widgets that need to cross the border then I can get them checked out, verified and delivered with no impediment. Great stuff.

But if I'm wanting to send something that I know is a bit dodgy. Maybe some foodstuff that falls foul of EU regulations then only a fool would label it such and try to send.

So where are the checks that what is being labelled at source is correct?

The second point and much bigger one is the scope for smuggling. I send my truck full of widgets from Derry to Dublin. Paperwork is fine and van is loaded up as normal before departing. Before crossing the border the van stops and picks up a load of glow in the dark chickens which are possibly unsafe but are so tasty with all those juicy chemicals and the Irish just lap them up. Before reaching the destination the van stops off again and unloads its contraband and no-one's any the wiser.

So how does the tech protect Irish citizens from unsafe or illegal products?

I suggest your constant attempts to dodge straight questions makes you look weaker than soggy tissue paper.

put simply tech if it ever can, in n conjunction with EU regs, can only be used on the law abiding part of the population for those not bothered about breaking, circumnavigating the laws,regualtions etc physical checks need to take place, surely that's blindingly obvious to everyone

pineapple nails it
it aint rocket science

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My issue with tech is that it works for what you're wanting to deliver. If I manufacture widgets that need to cross the border then I can get them checked out, verified and delivered with no impediment. Great stuff.

But if I'm wanting to send something that I know is a bit dodgy. Maybe some foodstuff that falls foul of EU regulations then only a fool would label it such and try to send.

So where are the checks that what is being labelled at source is correct?

The second point and much bigger one is the scope for smuggling. I send my truck full of widgets from Derry to Dublin. Paperwork is fine and van is loaded up as normal before departing. Before crossing the border the van stops and picks up a load of glow in the dark chickens which are possibly unsafe but are so tasty with all those juicy chemicals and the Irish just lap them up. Before reaching the destination the van stops off again and unloads its contraband and no-one's any the wiser.

So how does the tech protect Irish citizens from unsafe or illegal products?

^

You are talking about smuggling. There are already different tax rates and duties.

If people choose to break the law then they can be tracked down in the usual way. For instance your fear is that 1000 tonnes of american KFC chickens turn up in Dublin. If that is the case and trading standards find them they can track down and punish the smugglers.

Some people seem to think that every item coming from outside the EU into Southampton is checked and every parcel is checked. It is not. Fake and substandard goods are available illegally inside the EU. When they are found the authorities deal with the criminals. Checks do not have to occur at the border for products.

Barner knows this. That is why he is now rushing to get a tech solution ready for next month.

So where are the checks that what is being labelled at source is correct?

Where are the checks now?

but there is a hard border at southampton

are you suggesting we remove that too?

NO EVIDENCE BUT A I,D HAZARD A GUESS every truck from outside the eu carrying live animals are checked

The passage of goods between the two Irelands is only a trickle.

Doc - there are no need for checks now as the risk is minimal. We know the goods on one side of the border are of the same standard as the other. The only non-EU goods allowed into Derry are those permitted by the EU and so can cross over.

That changes next month.

PP,

Are saying that safety checks have to done at the border?

The EU have created a storm in teacup.

no

a storm in a teacup.

hard ,soft,invisible border are all irrelevant ,the peace process is based on the good Friday agreement,which I believe states that both sides are treated equaly,which under ,no deal,no backstop they cant guarantee, thatsthe argument in Ireland not whats on backs of wagons trucks etc

Which part of which page did draw those conclusions from:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/136652/agreement.pdf

The GFA allows both countries to install checks for security
there are customs checks today to prevent smuggling

A problem with smuggling ? That’s ok , large fines and jail sentences should concentrate their minds and help them to obey the law

More cries of distress from the EU.

While the threat of a no-deal Brexit is "focusing minds" and encouraging compromise, the chancellor has said.

And yet there are some who have been calling for the No Deal to be taken off the table.
I think it was Isabel Oakeshott who said "No Deal is the table".
Turning out to be our best bargaining tool.

Take note of all those who want to take no deal off the table.

They're either stupid, or want to keep us tied to the EU.

They all want to keep us tied to the EU Dr C. The thought of having to run a country on their own terrifies most of them.

With the UK out of The EU the recent and newly accepted EU members soonish will have a massive say in the demographic of the more established EU member economies, and "lawfully challenging activities" of making a quick dosh similar to the UK at present.

I'd like to see a Brexit even a "No Deal" one because it will be good for the UK in the long run - a reincarnation similar to a rebuild experienced by Germany and Japan post World War II; the British will need to stand-up and be-counted. Anyone not willing to could always decamp to a EU member state,...with my blessing I hasten to add.

And, to the gravy-train privileged individuals in the House Of Commons eg Abbot, Umunna, Soubry, Rudd, etc, they could join them too, and hop-onto the more generous and undemocratic EU equivalent, again with my blessing.

Well I voted for us to be like post war Germany. Don't know about anyone else.

do you think he is espousing scrapping of trident?

BBC flat out to overt Brexit this morning on their Today programme.

Yvette Cooper given the stage to pile on the pressure of trying scupper the last minute negotiations (the only ones that are meaningful from the UK's point of view) Then straight to a biased defence spokesman for more anti-leaving propaganda.

What a shabby organisation the BBC has become.

I voted for impoverishment, hyperinflation and food shortages, dunno bout you.



Ministers are planning a “hardship fund” for Britons impoverished by a no-deal Brexit.

A leaked document from the cabinet committee dedicated to preparing for a chaotic rupture with the European Union reveals the extraordinary scenarios being prepared for in Whitehall.

Other measures under consideration include using “tax and benefits policy” to offset rises in the cost of living, protection for parts of the country “geographically vulnerable” to food shortages and sourcing alternative food for schools, prisons and hospitals.

Crikey, they didn't go to that trouble in two world wars when the U-boats were sending all our supplies to the bottom.

Lol.

I know we import a lot of food from the EU but there are ways round a no deal. Will it be illegal for a company in (say) Morocco to buy food from Spain, land it for an hour in Casablanca and then ship it direct to the UK? It might cost a bit more but shortage? I don't think so.

we wont be taking in food from casablanca if we cant get it in from france!

Once we've shipped back the 3m there wont be any shortages

On a brighter note, £ rising as Brexit slips over the horizon. Proving what I have been saying daily for 32 months: Brexit is economic poison.

With the help of Labour, we may all have the chance to vote ourselves richer!

Lol

The pound is rising because the EU is in recession and the Euro has negative interest rates!

More sensitive to GBPUSD here. There are subsidiary factors but £ moves inverse to the fortune of Brexit, that's the overwhelming influence.

rubbish.

gold has remained fairly flat against the pound of late
at around £1000 an ounce

more movement around euro and us dollar at the mo

but then we are in a holding pattern, which we are excited about, but
the course was widely predicted

no dealer might tip the balance of course, ...

The usual abuse from politics pauper in the absence of him being able to construct a proper reply.

Crippen simply is unable to understand the difference between disagreeing with another poster and dishing out personal abuse which he does daily.

tut tut, more personal abuse by politics pauper there
It’s a daily occurrence now and on the football and chit chat threads also
pp is a sick puppy

It’s not a question of whether the pound is stong  or the exchange rates in that sense , As long as the British banks are run with precision !

Wrong, lfc.
As well as the country’s fortune being tied up with the value of its currency, so it is with each and every family inside it.
The Leave vote made you poorer, relative to 99% of other people, and the blithering botched Brexit sh**show has further impoverished people in the U.K. In a just world, Leave voters alone would pay the price.

ub prices adjust to take account of changing exchange rates , yes there will be a certain time lag usually
But ultimately how ruch or how poor we are as a country and as individuals is dependent the economy
The exchange rate merely reflects that  , and there is no magically way around that

This is inevitable in every aspect of life , jobs , wages , house prices, holiday costs , whatever you care to think of

But ultimately how ruch or how poor we are as a country and as individuals is dependent the economy
The exchange rate merely reflects that  , and there is no magically way around that

Exactly. The exchange rate is simply a measure of the strength of the economy and the performance of £ daily proves that Brexit is economic poison.

Another bad day for Brexit, another good day for £.
Beginning to see a connection yet, Crippen?

EU starting to run scared.

And the UK government have soon put a stop to that - lol.

UB,
You're a clown with this currency nonsense.
The pound was much stronger last April when Brexit looked nailed on.

You can't have it both ways, yet you persist in trying to pull the wool over people's eyes.

Stronger against the Dollar of course.

The pound has to strengthen against the Euro because the EU is tottering on the brink of recession.

British pound carves out fresh multimonth high amid expectations of Brexit delay

https://finance.yahoo.com/m/df1db2a7-2e23-3e8c-a3c5-dab93c3f9787/british-pound-carves-out.html

Headline news Crippen. It's better that you have to keep denying the evidence, like a Creationist.

Here's the bit you need to take in UB:

The pound was much stronger last April when Brexit looked nailed on.

You need to believe your own eyes where money is involved UB.

Not simply dance to whatever tune the headlines try to suggest.

The dollar and Euro are only 2 currencies albeit important ones. If you look at a currency converter site there are plenty more and the pound is close to its mid point compared to year high and low against most of them.

The ref 2016 caused the biggest one day fall of any major currency since fixed-rates.
There's no escaping the verdict, since re-inforced w/ every twist in the "negotiation": Brexit is economic poison.

A hard day spent unzipping members from their tweed wrappings and guzzling them so hard their owners forget about the sheep that need rounding up on a quad bike.
Hmmm, the taste of landowner **** in his mouth, and an evening trolling the betfair forum. Life is good for biscuits.

Poor bongo.

£ now 1.17, same price as "brexit wont happen in march", I'd rather buy a £

yajyaj, FX is much much easier to figure out than the twists, turns, feints and lies of May's Govt. £ when goes up when Brexit is delayed or thwarted from its purpose; when Brexiters look to be ascendancy again, £ will plunge. It happens as regular as brickwork, and that's all you need to know about foreign exchange.

Thanks very much for that biscuit, so given the betting suggests it deffo wont happen on time, my bet goes down the sh1tter, my shares tumble (they generally do when £ rises) but I should rejoice because the £ in my sky will rise against many other currencies #happy days

£ when goes up when Brexit is delayed or thwarted from its purpose;

Yet the pound was stronger last April when Brexit looked nailed on.

1)Because negotiations were progressing well, and we appeared to be heading towards an amicable split.
2) Love Leavers' "let's start counting from here" game (in this case April'18) but the only way £ will get back to pre-ref levels is when we reverse Brexit.
3) The message that the world is sending us daily is that Brexit is economic poison.

but the only way £ will get back to pre-ref levels is when we reverse Brexit.

They'd better try and reverse the quantitative easing they carried out if you want the pound to recover the ground it lost since they started printing money way back before the ref.

And the UK economy can't sustain a 1.40 Euro whether we are in or out.

Sterling will shoot up when remain is confirmed

I still have a feeling we could be leaving on the 30th..