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Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 2:18 PM GMT
I think it was right to question that kind of analysis if you are trying to stop things like Bengazi happening again.
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 2:26 PM GMT
my point was ..he question her for 11hours..it was stupid, repeating stuff over and over..i dont know if she did anything wrong!..anyway enough..
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 2:30 PM GMT
https://www.wsj.com/articles/former-trump-aide-carter-page-was-on-u-s-counte...
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 2:33 PM GMT
Do you object to the memo being released Tony?
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 2:35 PM GMT
read that IT..
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 2:36 PM GMT
jesus it, ive explained this too you...release it, but release it all, no just what trump wants you too see..
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 2:37 PM GMT
Tony I don't pay for the WSJ. No use putting up links.
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 2:37 PM GMT
its ok its not behind a paywall
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 2:39 PM GMT
If elements in the FBI are politicized I don't think that is a good thing.

If the FBI are now complaining about things being omitted they should apply to disclose them.
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 2:40 PM GMT
3

When it comes to the Russia investigation, the word ‘collusion’ gets thrown around a lot. But there's not a lot of clarity on what it actually means. Is it illegal? Is it grounds for impeachment? We asked a law professor to explain. Photo Illustration: Drew Evans/The Wall Street Journal.
By Rebecca Ballhaus and  Byron Tau
Feb. 1, 2018 7:00 a.m. ET
Carter Page, who served as a foreign-policy adviser to Donald Trump’s campaign, was known to U.S. counterintelligence officials for years before he became a prominent figure in a dossier of unverified research about the future president’s ties to Russia.

The White House is expected to release as early as this week a memo detailing what Republicans allege were surveillance abuses during the 2016 campaign. Republicans say the memo, written by the GOP staff on the House Intelligence Committee, shows that prosecutors used information...

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Report tony57 February 1, 2018 2:41 PM GMT
oh my...have you not read what has been posted or the articles explaining whats going on..i give up...have a nice day..
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 2:48 PM GMT
I have read all the articles you have posted that I can access for free and a few more.
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 2:53 PM GMT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/rep-nuness-memo-crosses-a-dangerous-...
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 2:55 PM GMT
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/norman-solomon/why-the-washington-posts_b_458...
Report bigpoppapump February 1, 2018 2:58 PM GMT
Clinton was impeached by the Republican House for Obstruction of Justice.
Thus - it follows - Obstruction is an Impeachable offense.


Whether Collusion is ultimately proved remains to be seen
Whether money laundering is ultimately proved remains to be seen

The people (like Flynn) in the campaign who already pleaded guilty and have been cooperating (ie giving information about people further up the food chain) because he wants leniency for the possible 10 years he could serve for lying to the FBI.

All the above are facts.

This is my opinion:  I think Mueller will be building an Obstruction case against Trump and it appears to be a strong one.


When it comes to the Russia investigation, the word ‘collusion’ gets thrown around a lot. But there's not a lot of clarity on what it actually means. Is it illegal?

This is not a complex definition: collusion in this case means, working with a foreign power to corrupt the workings of the american elections.
And yes, that's illegal.  And yes, it's impeachable.

Acting all head-scratchy is fine because maybe you don't know this stuff?

It - theoretically - is all straightforward. 

Proving it is difficult - hence the ongoing investigation is taking a long time.
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 3:01 PM GMT
Tony, you know that opinion piece was by Schiff?
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 3:10 PM GMT
ofcourse..and you dont belive him because he is a democrat ..not because he is factual and telling the truth?were in that article is a lie?
adam schiff has never crossed a line and only ever dealt in facts and evidence, trumptards may not like the facts or the eveidence..but thats were we are..

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/no-gop-s-public-war-fbi-not-normal-n843626
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 3:14 PM GMT
it..that post you put up is a blog from 2014...about the wspo?
what you saying now the paper carnt be trusted?you do live in some shadow world ..
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 3:15 PM GMT
I didn't say I don't 'believe him'.

He is trying to make a point that the 'memo' should not be released because it would stop information sharing in the future as the memo is onesided.

He may have a point or he may be trying to use that as an excuse to stop it coming out.

He keeps coming up with different reasons for not releasing it.

Now they are saying it was doctored.

I am always suspicious when people have more than excuse.
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 3:16 PM GMT
* more than 1 excuse.
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 3:17 PM GMT
re: huffingtonpost piece on the WP. I just thought you should be aware of the motivation behind the operation.
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 3:22 PM GMT
there is no motivation for telling the truth and facts ..other than right and wrong..its abit rich for you to be questioning a paper that has also done great articles on the flynn charges..on trumps jnrs meetings with russians ..many others..

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/01/politics/nunes-memo-donald-trump/index.html

he is what its all about..simple..
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 3:29 PM GMT
I saw that link you posted on another thread.

Again CNN.

Do you admit there is a real issue here in getting to the truth?

The media is all so biased depending on which articles you read you get a completely different version of the 'facts'

Go on Twitter and search #releasethememo and read the linked articles from news outlets.

Totally different view on the world there compared to ones you read and post.
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 3:32 PM GMT
your article:

President Donald Trump continues to tell his associates he believed the highly controversial Republican memo alleging the FBI abused its surveillance tools could help discredit the Russia investigation, multiple sources familiar with White House discussions said.

The President continues to direct some of his anger toward his Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.
In phone calls last night and over the past days, Trump has told friends he believes the memo would expose bias within the agency's top ranks and make it easier for him to argue the Russia investigations are prejudiced against him, according to two sources.

^

Unnamed sources again. Totally useless to us.
Report bigpoppapump February 1, 2018 4:00 PM GMT
lol at Deathsquads

if they were named sources whom you believed they wouldn't suddenly be "of use" to you.  We are not actors in this drama.

Unnamed sources are not useless either; journalists often promise not to reveal their sources.

Simply contradicting news links that other people put up along the lines that they are lying leaves you in a simple position:  You are not somebody to whom anything can be proved.  You'll believe what you already believe and disregard that which you don't like.  This is all fine - many people fall into the category.

All you can do is wait for events to play out.  If you believe whatever happens has actually happened will be interesting in the future. Clearly you inhabit a marginal reality.

Further events will follow - the investigation is ongoing.
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 4:06 PM GMT
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/01/trump-to-declassify-surveillance-...
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 6:57 PM GMT
ttps://www.cbsnews.com/video/fbi-director-prepared-to-issue-rebuttal-if-nune...
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 6:58 PM GMT
The FBI went to the WH and cleared it according to Fox News.

The plot thickens.
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 7:02 PM GMT
utter nonsense..
watch the video above..the women in it used to run the office inside the fbi ..fiza warrants..also rumours are as soon as memo is released..wray will rebut it..then resign..then we are in big ,,this is all about trump trying to stop mueller and the investgation..if he can fire rod rosenstien ..then he can put someone who is loyal to him and they can fire mueller..
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 7:03 PM GMT
IT..DO ME A FAVOUR..i dont mind have our different views and all thats fair enough..but please dont insult me by quoting fox..its not news..its trump tv..
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 7:09 PM GMT
But it is ok to quote CNN?
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 7:20 PM GMT
quote any major news outlet bar fox.what has cnn said thats so wrong?i,ll tell you..trump doesent like it..so you dont?theres nothing you can attack on factual content..
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 7:21 PM GMT
have you watched cbs video?...
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 7:24 PM GMT
trump just liked a fox news tweet, saying 1,4m americans engaged with russians on social media in election...he does not hide what he is...
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 7:26 PM GMT
edition.cnn.com/2018/02/01/politics/white-house-worried-wray-nunes-memo/inde...
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 7:29 PM GMT
'what has cnn said thats so wrong?'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV3KMCJO5Jc
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 7:34 PM GMT
General scripting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gqYcQTpq_c
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 7:38 PM GMT
CNN cutting people off when they don't like what they say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9kgN_pk0F8
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 8:13 PM GMT
you go to a bizare nonsense site..jesus you are dense mate..childish..i will not bother anymore..
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 8:14 PM GMT
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/02/while-you-are-tweeting-about-th...
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 9:34 PM GMT
You say I am childish for quoting Fox News yet you think you are Einstein for quoting Motherjones and CNN.

Talk about double standards.
Report InsiderTrader February 1, 2018 9:34 PM GMT
I admit I do not know what will happen in this case. Non of the news is unbiased. Some appears pro-Trump and some is anti-Trump.

But you only seem capable of reading anti-Trump information to follow your own belief from the start that Trump is bad.

You have lost all objectivity.
Report tony57 February 1, 2018 9:42 PM GMT
https://lawfareblog.com/it-was-worse-you-think-house-intelligence-meeting-nu...
Report tony57 February 2, 2018 8:04 AM GMT
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/01/donald-trumps-fbi-memo-release-risks-rev...
Report InsiderTrader February 2, 2018 8:47 AM GMT
Behind a paywall. Already has my article this week.

Do you pay for all these online papers Tony?
Report InsiderTrader February 2, 2018 12:33 PM GMT
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/02/politics/trump-tweet-nunes-memo/index.html
Report tony57 February 2, 2018 1:27 PM GMT
nyt..and the times..
Report tony57 February 2, 2018 2:27 PM GMT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/02/02/devin-nunes...
Report InsiderTrader February 2, 2018 2:58 PM GMT
James Clapper comments on this on the CNN link above.
Report tony57 February 2, 2018 4:04 PM GMT
clapper 40 yrs a spy serving his country..attacked by trump and republicans because he gives his opinion..
Report tony57 February 2, 2018 4:05 PM GMT
this memo will be released tonight in a classic friday night doc dumb...shows you how confident they are ...
Report InsiderTrader February 2, 2018 4:10 PM GMT
Clapper has an interesting take on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al64bUJbgj0
Report tony57 February 2, 2018 5:15 PM GMT
they just released the memo..IT.. they give it to right wing media and fox..it,ll be 2 hours before the main media get going..they already are attacking it as a partisan nonsense..
Report InsiderTrader February 2, 2018 6:37 PM GMT
Waiting to see what state secrets they were worried about coming out.
Report InsiderTrader February 2, 2018 6:41 PM GMT
They did not tell the court who was financing the dossier. Unbelievable.
Report InsiderTrader February 2, 2018 6:42 PM GMT
Used a Yahoo news article to back up the case even though it was likely a FusionGPS inspired article.
Report InsiderTrader February 2, 2018 7:21 PM GMT
Even CNN saying McCabe in an interesting situation.
Report InsiderTrader February 2, 2018 7:23 PM GMT
'The highly controversial memo from the GOP and Rep. Devin Nunes alleges that then-Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe told the House Intelligence Committee that no surveillance warrant would have been sought for a Trump campaign aide without a disputed opposition research dossier on Trump and Russia.'

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/02/politics/republican-intelligence-memo/index.html
Report tony57 February 2, 2018 7:35 PM GMT
its nonsense...as ive explained stop watching fox news IT..
they dump on there own message, they say the dossier is sole reason..then say that popadop was used in fiza warrant?LOL..wait till rebuttle, for the last time..to get a fiza warrant..you need more than that..this warrant was reveiwed 3 times..
so until you see the REAL info..keep your ammo dry...
Report InsiderTrader February 2, 2018 7:49 PM GMT
CNN is the same.

It seems that they got the warrant using a dossier part paid for by HRC and also used a news article that was briefed by F-GPS.

i.e. all the same source.

It now seems clear why McCabe left early.

Having said all that there is nothing there we did not already know.

And nothing that threatens security so that was an odd reason to give for not allowing it to be released.
Report InsiderTrader February 2, 2018 7:51 PM GMT
To be fair to CNN they are making some interesting points about McCabe.
Report InsiderTrader February 2, 2018 8:00 PM GMT
Reading the full memo:

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/02/politics/fbi-nunes-memo-full/index.html

This is disgusting behaviour to get a warrant.
Report moisok February 2, 2018 8:02 PM GMT
this hasn't turned out the way they wanted - has this ever happened before?
Report InsiderTrader February 2, 2018 8:02 PM GMT
The hope is the people behind this are long gone from public life.
Report tony57 February 3, 2018 3:17 PM GMT
thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/371991-ex-gop-lawmaker-slams-nunes...
Report tony57 February 3, 2018 3:28 PM GMT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0twnM_cfVI
Report tony57 February 3, 2018 3:33 PM GMT
after watching that IT..I EXPECT YOU TO SAY ON HERE..YOU dont belive the memo..
Report InsiderTrader February 3, 2018 5:07 PM GMT
No you think its fake.

Before you thought releasing it would jepodise national security.

You made your mind up about Trump before he was even elected and are now trying to find any reason to fit your agenda.

It is a shame because you have the right ideas about Brexit and PIP but on Trump you are way off the mark.

Huge things like this for the working people:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/26/us-companies-that-have-announced-bonuses-investments-after-tax-cut.html

Just overshadowed by the garbage people are being fed by the Democrats.

The Democrats did nothing for the working people in years. They encourage uncontrolled immigration of low skilled workers just like our friends in the EU. You are allowing your personal hatred of Trump to block your vision.
Report tony57 February 3, 2018 5:52 PM GMT
i truely belive you are delousional, nothing will change your mind facts truth etc..please continue your utter nonsense...ive tried to converse and be fair ..but its impossible with someone with such a closed mind to factual content...im sorry to say people like yourself are easy fodder for trump and the far right..but as for me continueing to converse with you  im afraid its not worth it...
Report InsiderTrader February 3, 2018 6:22 PM GMT
You are the one with the closed mind.

You failure to see anything wrong with what happened in the Campaign on the other side.

The CNN debate questions - you ignore.

The cutting out of Bernie Saunders in the Primaries you ignore.

All the payments to Clintons you ignore.

Bengazi you ignore.

The funding of ISIS you ignore.

All of the Clintons anti-women actions you ignore.

The email server you ignore.

The Russia links with the Clinton you ignore.

But anything you rumour you hear about Trump and you are all over it.

There are rumours on both sides. Not just one.
Report InsiderTrader February 3, 2018 6:24 PM GMT
And above you ignore the other sides campaign to bring in more illegal immigrants and sign unfair trade deals to further help their corporate friends.
Report tony57 February 3, 2018 6:49 PM GMT
https://www.msnbc.com/brian-williams/watch/fbi-insider-on-what-the-nunes-mem...
Report tony57 February 3, 2018 6:52 PM GMT
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/nunes-memo-presents-incomplete-pic...
Report tony57 February 3, 2018 6:59 PM GMT
tps://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari-melber/watch/watch-legal-journalist-de...
Report tony57 February 3, 2018 7:19 PM GMT
https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/two-ex-doj-officials-on-nunes-memo...
Report moisok February 3, 2018 7:23 PM GMT
clinton foundation now worth - billions?
Report InsiderTrader February 3, 2018 7:28 PM GMT
Its of no interest to the anti-Trump mob moisok.

They just want to know what Rachel Maddow thinks about Trump.
Report tony57 February 3, 2018 7:29 PM GMT
https://www.msnbc.com/brian-williams/watch/mccain-undermining-our-own-rule-o...
Report tony57 February 3, 2018 7:35 PM GMT
https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari-melber/watch/revealed-gop-rep-nunes-...
Report InsiderTrader February 3, 2018 8:05 PM GMT
Just to be clear Tony you have a conspiracy theory that Trump is some kind of evil genius that colluded with Russia to win the election because RT exists?

But the DNC/Clinton paying for a dossier on Trump made by an ex-British spy is absolutely fine?
Report tony57 February 3, 2018 9:31 PM GMT
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/once-the-party-of-law-and-or...
Report tony57 February 3, 2018 9:38 PM GMT
https://apnews.com/3a607b2df9be4ae9beae80dc82b3445f
Report tony57 February 5, 2018 1:42 PM GMT
https://www.lawfareblog.com/i-hope-instance-fake-news-fbi-messages-show-bure...
Report tony57 February 5, 2018 4:22 PM GMT
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/03/devin-nunes-intel-committee-say...
Report tony57 February 5, 2018 7:02 PM GMT
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-deep-state-is-the-new-fake-news?via=twitte...
Report tony57 February 7, 2018 1:24 PM GMT
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/he-wants-a-killer-bannon-nunes-kelly-frustrated-trump-west-wing

trump is going mad knowing mueller is closing in on him and the family..but he is bending the institutions to his will..trump thinks he should be allowed to make america like turkey, philippines,china, his party are now protecting him knowing the the damage it is doing to the confidence in law enforcment..
Report tony57 February 8, 2018 3:24 PM GMT
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/the-trumping-of-the-fbi...
Report tony57 February 10, 2018 10:45 AM GMT
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/09/trump-agrees-trump-authorizes-release-democratic-memo-rebutting-republican-claims-fbi-surveillance/317476002/


thehill.com/homenews/administration/373239-blumenthal-trump-refusing-to-release-dem-memo-is-evidence-of
Report tony57 February 10, 2018 10:45 AM GMT
what a surprise...
Report tony57 February 12, 2018 5:34 PM GMT
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/justice-department-offic...
Report tony57 February 13, 2018 4:02 PM GMT
-NSA Dir. Mike Rogers (responding to Sen. @RonWyden) says he *did* raise concerns about Nunes memo w/DNI Coats.

-FBI Christopher Wray indicates he did the same.

...

-Wyden asks: Anything you can say in open session?

-Wray: We had grave concerns.

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Report tony57 February 13, 2018 4:05 PM GMT
BREAKING: It appears when Trump used a recent NYT story to attack the FBI, he likely had already been briefed on it by his CIA Director and told it (the NYT story) was false. Which means Trump knowingly spread a story about the CIA he knew was false. Media should cover that now.Seth Abramson added,
Report edy February 13, 2018 6:11 PM GMT
Hey, who the heck made you Chief Secretary of the Truth Department? Trump's facts are just as valid and true as yours are, as mine are, and as everyone else's are. Even if they completely contradict each other or there is solid so called "evidence" against them.
Report tony57 February 13, 2018 6:32 PM GMT
LOL..
Report tony57 February 15, 2018 5:00 PM GMT
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/the-conflict-of-interest-in-plain-sight/553436/

have alook IT
Report tony57 February 15, 2018 5:04 PM GMT
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/02/donald-trump-jr-just-liked-a-tw...
Report tony57 February 25, 2018 2:40 PM GMT
nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/democrats-release-declassified-rebutta...
Report tony57 February 25, 2018 2:54 PM GMT
https://www.vox.com/2018/2/24/17048764/schiff-memo-nunes-read-full-text-pdf

compleatly destroys republican lies ...CRIPPEN AND IT.. proof the fbi told the judge all they needed too, that the steele dossier was NOT the reason the fbi opened the investigation into trump campaign, and that it was open months before they SAW steele dossier...carter page was a russian spy..and fbi belived others inside trump campaign were in contact with russians ..we know now one was popa, (whos flipped)its belived the others could be kushner trumps son in law..and sessions the AG  all under surviellance before chris steeles dossier..and dont forget they have phone intercepts..the final thing to remember is this  THE FBI PUT THIS before 4 republican judges to be reapplied??? not once..but 4 times ..so they must of shown eveidence they had gotten since the first one...the last one is trump is now attacking his own goverment ..he put all the people who are now investiagting him in power..rosienstien, wray, 4 judges ..his fbi.....this all before the new flip in gates....trump is in deep ..the russians have a asset in the WH..
Report tony57 February 25, 2018 4:00 PM GMT
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/democratic-memo-undercu...
Report tony57 February 27, 2018 4:26 PM GMT
NSA Director Mike Rogers tells Congress that he would need to be granted the authority by Trump or secdef to stop Russian meddling at its source, but he hasn't yet been given that day-to-day authority

7:44 AM - 27 Feb 2018

wow..what does that tell you...
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