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I am in no doubt any longer. He no longer represents the leader of the Party alone but the struggle to oust those that want to maintain a corrupt and failing system of governance. If the parliamentary party want to stand for their beliefs then they must be prepared to stand down for them also. If this means 170 by-elections so be it. We seem to be in a time of political change and not the politicians overly used rhetoric regarding change. I am agitated by Labour MP's spouting about being 'electable' rather than expressing their beliefs and having that be the appeal for voters. It suggests they are willing to bend and bow to any populist view at any time. If Corbyn wins the leadership election again, those MP's that conspired to oust him, in such an underhand way, must surely resign. It will mean fresh faces, unsullied by the conspirators and the legacy Blair. If that is the case then the party can build from a defined ideological base.
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Corbyn has all the credentials - Smith says he is left like corbyn - he hasn't the same credentials or anything like them. All he has is to be on the Blair side of the party and an ex lobbyist for a dodgy chemical party.
Corbyn is hated because he is breaking the mould of the same old same old westminster bubble politics which has none or minimum contact with the majority of the people in this country. |
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If ye really believe that, enpasse,
why bother with the pro-political nonsense of reformism? Why not join the movement for proper revolution? I can almost certainly guarantee ye that the like of jeremy, smith, abbott will NEVER achieve anything good for the working classes. The game they play depends on public image, ie show-bizz credentials are required above all else. They ain't got what it takes. Second, they also lack proper revolutionary principles; they may pay a bit of lip-service here and there, but even they know 'tis futile and all they look for is continuous responsibility-dodging phony anti-A Team "opposition". Nice money if ye can get it. Ditch these chancers and get with the REAL DEAL.  |
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Time to put away your Kalashnikov sean.
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No VIOLENCE, ss.
Democratically agreed by an overwhelming MAJORITY of the GLOBAL population. That will be our way, salmon. 'Tis the only lasting solution. None of this current sh it like a ref where 37% of eligible voters win by 3.8% majority and some new PM gets the say without a vote or fk all in the speak -easy. Only lunatics would believe in stuff like that. Our way will have to be understood and agreed by an overwhelming majority, beforer anything could begin. There ain't no short- cut to success. I wish there was. Violence is NOT the way. |
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So Sean have you never voted in an General Election in Britain or Republic of Ireland ?
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The 172 should leave and form a credible opposition to the Government and then Corbyn and his band of nutters can go back to into the fringes where they belong.
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Another spiv supporter who wants a choice between Conservative Party and er another Conservative Party
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I just want a sane left of centre opposition.
Isnt it childish how the far left are accusing virtually everyone who opposes them of being a Tory . They really should grow up. |
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But you are a Tory arent you ?
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Dot i will ask you the same question should the 172 Labour mps accept the democratic result of the leadership election and whoever wins get behind the leader, yes or no ?
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I havent voted Tory in a quarter of a century of voting so NO im not.
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Do you mean support policies that they strongly disgree with? No of course not. Corbyn didnt for the last 20 years did he?
How can he suggest others do what he never has. |
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anxious..nice chap that Jezza is..he could not lead a duck to water..do you really think he could
win a general election?...Michael Foote revisited. |
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Dot even though he disagreed with leadership years ago he never caused trouble like the 172 traitors are doing
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Kenny he has not contested a general election yet
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This is the weak point in Corbyn's argument though anxious. He had always been a serial rebel until he became leader. Quite rightly at times of course as over Iraq. However if I had a vote I would go for him rather than Smith,whom I wouldn't trust as far as I can throw him. There just seems to be nobody who can unite the party. If Corbyn wins again then we will probably see those who voted against him,not just the MPs,split the party. This time it will be much more damaging than the Gang of Four. The Tories are not a united party either of course but they somehow manage to stick together whatever their differences ( since 1846 anyway ).
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From what ive seen Smith looks like he would be capable of being a decent leader that could win back lots of voters for labour and stand a favourites chance in 2020.
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A split is what the left needs and a new party that can unite all the disillusioned Libs with all the mainstream Labour voters.
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Listen if Owen Smith w ins the leadership election i will say fair play lets get oon with it , why can the mps not do the same it sounds like they will only take part if they get the right result how democratic is that
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Salmon yes i agree it would be disatrous a split , this would only benefit the tories because the anti -tory vote would then be split
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Like it was in the 80s
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smith is backed by a chemical company through Save Labour
hardly a lefty eh? anyway Labour will probably never get in power as long as the same boundary and voting set up continues unless they linked up with the SNP. Of course things change but it wouldn't matter if the party was led by May they still wouldn't get in. The system is so skewed towards toryism. |
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Can anybody on here explain to the difference between New Labour and the Conservative Party ?
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How can people who have openly said he isnt up to the job then turn around and support him and try convincing the Public he is a credible PM.
What has he done in this last year anyway? He is still obessesed with his usual protest issues but what progress has he made with any serious policies? What is his economic plan other than taxing more and printing magic money from thin air? |
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The difference Anxious can be seen in our Schools ,Hospitals, all upgraded from slum conditions ,minimum wage !
Any more ? |
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The difference between New Labour and Labour now! Easy one!
New Labour Government! Corrbyns Labour extinction! |
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tonks i have no problem with owen smith if he wins fair enough , but why will the 172 mps npt abide by the result ?
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Tonks why did Blair abandon clause 4
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Owen Smith has promised to bring it back
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"new" Labour introduced tax credits that is hardly the mark of a conservative is it anx?
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The post-war Conservative Party was actually quite progressive BB. Then you know who came along.
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Anxious,
yes, I have voted several times and always agin the government of the time, and nine times out of ten for no-hopers. Waste of time , really. In Australia, voting was compulsory, but still a waste of time for me. Going out rioting was an even worse waste of everything. |
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So Sean have you ever voted for the futile- reformists the British Labour Party
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Corbyn came under fire again for his performance at PM's Questions yesterday.
Yet as Diane Abbott said on the radio this morning. When Theresa May stood up to speak she was met with cheers. When Corbyn stood up to speak he was met with silence from his own MPs. It must be pretty difficult speaking in a chamber like the House, without any support from your own side, and all those in front of you jeering every word you utter. This set of Labour MPs are a disgrace to the name of their party. Imagine that lot running the country. |
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Give over Cripps why would you applaud a loser ,non of us intentionally back losers do we ?
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Abbott used to do other things for Jeremy when he stood up makes me feel ill just thinking about it ! |
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corbyn soon to trash chemical smith the representative of big business and very left wing - cough cough!!!
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makes me feel ill just thinking about it
Why's that Tonks, are you a brown hatter? |