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""  Peter Morrison, Leon Brittan, William van Straubenzee, Peter Hayman

Key Westminster figures from the 1970s and 1980s have been named in a series of Government child abuse documents.

After months of requests from Sky News the Government has revealed that papers exist that relate to Margaret Thatcher's former parliamentary secretary the late Sir Peter Morrison, former Home Secretary the late Leon Brittan, former diplomat the late Sir Peter Hayman and former minister the late Sir William van Straubenzee.

In January Sky News forced the Government to release the details of a file prepared for Mrs Thatcher's office on the 'unnatural sexual' behaviours of one of the men Sir Peter Hayman.

The new batch of file names reveal there were further Government papers relating to the former MI6 man and career diplomat.

The revelation comes after the Wanless and Whittam review of Government papers last year that failed to find many of the relevant abuse files held by Government departments.

The Cabinet Office apologised for the 'flaw' in the way they responded to the request for information.

Permanent Secretary Richard Heaton wrote to Whittam and Wanless in May saying: " I deeply regret that the Cabinet Office failed to identify the papers in question when you first asked for them."

The papers also reveal that the Kincora children's home in Northern Ireland was at the heart of further correspondence involving the security services.

Allegations of abuse and trafficking of children to England have centred on the home in Belfast.

The papers reveal former intelligence officer Colin Wallace raised concerns about abuse at Kincora - the papers had been stored by the Cabinet Office.

The contents of the papers have still not been revealed but have been shared with the police and will be passed to the Child Abuse Inquiry led by Justice Lowell Goddard.""

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This from msn on the internet.

The dirty, perverted, bstrds!
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Report salmon spray July 25, 2015 10:47 PM BST
Or has an agenda      Devil
Report Eeternaloptimist July 25, 2015 10:58 PM BST
Every time you post sean you reveal your age related idiocy. You refuse to rail against socialists who open our doors to the dregs of the earth to maul and violate our most vulnerable and then blame it on capitalism. Then when it is pointed out it is your party which perpetuated this outrage you turn on a sixpence and claim that they aren't actually true socialists. "Come the revolution you say." Then when it is pointed out that your socialist revolutions all over the world have left hundreds of millions of their own citizens face down in ditches for the crime of having a brain or conscience because they found your incoherent your dogshiit ideology repulsive you claim " ah, but they weren't real socialists either."

You're too old to be this stupid man. So I'm guessing that there was a day once long ago when dementia hadn't set in and it was still possible to have a rational discussion with you but that day has past. That or you display the same curious malady which befell Tony Benn. Either way you are a disingenuous rogue. Nearly everybody else in the world concludes your peculiar brand of six form simplistic, ideological nonsense has been tried and failed leading to mass displacement because normal people can't wait to flee your crackpot ideology and make for the nirvana of capitalism on any craft, animal or indeed foot with the insane ramblings of fervent blood soaked supporters like you ringing in their ears. Or, as you allege it really hasn't been tried in hundreds of years in its purest form because people simply aren't as daft as you.

The bottom line is that socialist regimes build walls and shoot their own citizens who see through your bullshiit. Nobody. not even me, can speak as eloquently or loudly as to the failed fallacy of socialism.
Report salmon spray July 25, 2015 11:07 PM BST
Why don't you say something about HUNTER Eo.
You can't believe he is rational ?
Report tonkability July 25, 2015 11:14 PM BST
EO writes eloquently but don't be fooled he promotes himself as the self styled referee of reason of the politics forum  but it's a lie he is a right leaning bulls hitter  who really should be laughed at  Bellend of the highest orderLaughLaughLaugh
Report Eeternaloptimist July 25, 2015 11:24 PM BST
Maybe Tonks but it's like when a challenger enters the ring to face the champ who's been at the top for a while. Naturally the judges may be swayed by the man in possession. So not only would I need to whip you but I'd need to be seen to whip you and I don't see me taking your title just yet because you may be somewhat wrinkly but you're still the bellends bellend.
Report tonkability July 25, 2015 11:26 PM BST
Got your number RefLaughLaugh
Report Eeternaloptimist July 25, 2015 11:28 PM BST
None of us are rational salmon. We could be out snorting coke off hookers heaving mammaries and yet we are arguing the toss on here on Saturday night. When a man died the Greeks asked above everything else whether he had passion. I ask if he had humour. I rarely get into it with those who display a a sense of the absurd nature of our existence or those who tickle me and there are some of those on both right and left.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 25, 2015 11:31 PM BST
I ain't no Wyatt Earp Tonks. He chiselled a few quid in the early days refereeing bouts and didn't seem to be above a bit of skullduggery. I'm in the Neon Leon camp when asked by Richard Prior because when you can knock motherfruckers out you knock motherfruckers out. Leave the rule book and its implementation to those past their time. Wink
Report Eeternaloptimist July 25, 2015 11:34 PM BST
You'll have to excuse the tales from history and anecdotes as I've had a few Guinnesses but I can pretty much guarantee that despite raging against the dying of the light that when I get back in the gym on Monday the young bucks will still have their eyes on stalks as I continue to outlift them and laugh at them. Either that or my knackers have once again dropped out of the bottom of my shorts. Now that's what is call middle aged droop. Laugh
Report salmon spray July 25, 2015 11:40 PM BST
You should wear shorts with more than a 2" inside leg imo.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 25, 2015 11:42 PM BST
I did salmon but I went to a tailor who didn't speak good English and he took his measurement from above my sock.
Report Gnarley July 26, 2015 1:56 AM BST
So the thread starts "And More Thatcher Perverts" and now it's upto the point where EO is dangling his gonads out of his shorts in the gym.

MarvellousCrazy
Report sean rua July 26, 2015 9:54 AM BST
ET, pal, ye are getting desperate for attention now, me old toldem/oldham mucker.Grin

Don't worry, unlike the NON_socialist reformists of the nulab/gaylib/ewe-krap band-wagons, i won't be drawn into making an issue of your pointless attack on the aged ( I think the dolts call it age-ism or suchlike).

Ye like to play the bully on here and the forum term " billy big bollix" is probably fitting, though in your case, though ye think ye are big, tough, and get this "clever" ( wac) Laugh, my guess is that ye have only three balls left, judging by all the fkrs ye've dropped in the short time I've been reading your sh ite on here.

I'll try again to educate ye:

Socialism is a GLOBAL SYSTEM  that can only come about when there is an OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF MANKIND  in favour of it.
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That is the simple truth. Why can ye not understand it?

'Tis pointless ye chatting about the many rogues, dictators, and criminals of history who have called themselves "socialists" ( yes and Adolf was one of them).
THAT IS FK ALL TO DO WITH THE REAL THING.

Just as your masters in the real ruling class ( who don't have to drag their bolli x into everything) probably think that PERVERTED THATCHERITE SEX  is the real thing,

when, of course, normal, decent, folk know it is NOT the real thing.

As far as I can see, those who seek to defend the perverted ruling classes - and the ****-masters of Rotherham etc are just as much in this sub-set of humanity ( ie perverted rich fkrs) must have some sort of hang-ups themselves.

Very dodgy, imo.

In your own case, 'twould appear ye have more of a fkn hang-out than a fkn hang-up.Grin in fact, I think a good bu nk up would do ye good and clear all the dirty water off your chest. Maybe then, ye wouldn't be on here 24/7/365 talking sh ite and trying to blame everything on the wkr nulab party who have never been able to organise fk all, let alone affect global corporate capitalism.

Get a fkn a grip, man! If ye are even half as good as ye say ye are, ye need to ask yourself the question, why the fk are ye spending all your precious time shooting the sh it on here?

If ye want to do something useful, then get with the Revolution! Quit the bull.
Report sean rua July 26, 2015 9:57 AM BST
w ho re-meisters of rotherham *
Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 10:39 AM BST
You are the master of Rotherham rua,this thread proves that,you have no thoughts to defend the abuse that is happening in Rotherham TODAY,just as you allowed catholic priests to operate in your socialist paradise,is that whàt it is?


You may be right in hàting Thatcher for destroying your socialist dream (sh1thole)but to attack her in this way tells us more about you and your sh1thole dream than it does about her. 



The truth is rua that you are willing to tolerate this abuse in order to promote socialism, as are all socialists.


The problem for socialism is the decent people will not vote to tolerate this,or you.
Report salmon spray July 26, 2015 10:52 AM BST
Since when was the Republic a socialist paradise ? It was priest-ridden,which was part of the problem.
Honestly HUNTER have you seen a doctor recently ?
Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 11:01 AM BST
Ask rua?

Friday 6 February 2015
Nigel Farage has been forced to abandon a public appearance in Rotherham amid protests and accusations of "rubber-necking" at victims of child sex abuse.

The Ukip leader was due to cut the ribbon on the campaign office of would-be MP Jane Collins, but his team said he was not coming out of the building in the South Yorkshire town on police advice.

Mr Farage insisted he was the victim of "trade union-funded" bullying, while a party spokesman branded 40-strong group of demonstrators "hard-line Socialist Workers".

But Labour's local MP, Sarah Champion, said his visit to the town amounted to "rubber-necking" after a damning report into the mishandling of child sex abuse allegations saw the government take over the functions of the council.



Mr Farage denied he was exploiting what had happened to stir up racial divisions.

"We're the one party that's warned consistently against division within society and multiculturalism and we've warned against it for years," he said.




"We want interculturalism. We've got different religions and faiths but we have to mix together and we have to live under one law.

"So I think to accuse us of exploiting it is not fair. We have warned for years that things have been going wrong with increasing divisions within society."

Mr Farage's visit comes in the wake of the withering Casey report into way Rotherham Council failed to deal with child sexual exploitation in the town.

His party has 10 councillors in the town which is one of its main target seats in the North.

The protesters were peaceful but noisy, many of them carrying placards saying "Reject Ukip lies", and shouting that the party's leader was not welcome in the town.


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Mr Farage was later escorted out of the office by security and police into waiting police car.

Mr Farage repeated his party's call for the whole of Rotherham Council to face re-election in May, rather than waiting until next year.

A Ukip statement said: "These protesters aren't the real people of Rotherham. This is the Labour Party running scared and trying to shut down any voice of opposition.


"They are just people who are trying to stifle democratic debate. Surely they should be directing their anger at those who presided over the industrial scale of abuse in this town, rather than those who are trying to change it for the better.

"They are more interested in keeping power than serving the people, which is what led to the cover-up."

Mr Farage was critical of the police response to the incident, which he blamed on trade unions.

Speaking to the BBC, the Ukip leader said: "A bit more co-operation from the police might be nice.


     
"The trade unions are funding this sort of thing all over the country. They are funded protests.

"Democracy is about exchanging views and people making up their minds. What this trade union hate campaign is trying to do is to stop Ukip even speaking, and they are prepared to use violence to do it."

 

Please leave me out of your trade union/socialist utopia,I will vote for Thatcher.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 11:08 AM BST
It is socialism combined with the Asian perverts that just voted Labour in Rotherham TODAY.

  Rotherham would most certainly would not be Thatchers kinda town,the socialist workers party rule.
Report salmon spray July 26, 2015 11:28 AM BST
There are small groups of Socialist Workers Party supporters in most towns. I hold no brief for them. I have met quite a few in the past and they are either unpleasant authoritarians or well-meaning dupes. They have little in common with the average Labour voter or the average Labour activist for that matter.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 11:49 AM BST
Spray I know your views on here,you are an apologist who would be marching like a sheep behind rua with a "fascist out of Rotherham banner" sponsored by the socialist workers party whose members supplied white schoolchildren to Asian paedophiles,you have been found guilty by association,I am the messenger.
Report salmon spray July 26, 2015 12:08 PM BST
That is not true HUNTER. The only demo I have been on since the 80s was against the Iraq war and I kept well away from the SWP banner then. These days if I was on a march and we came to even a mild uphill gradient I would have to drop out     Sad
As it happens I believe in free speech and certainly wouldn't shout down Farage ( I don't think he's a fascist btw. )
Report anxious July 26, 2015 12:32 PM BST
Hunter continues his paranoid obssesions
Report anxious July 26, 2015 12:35 PM BST
why does hunter not go on about dolphin square or kincora, i wonder why ?
Report spellingandgrammarchecker July 26, 2015 12:37 PM BST
pawras 14 Jun 15 09:55 Joined: 13 May 12 | Topic/replies: 4,601 | Blogger: pawras's blog
here's the links to list of the grooming cases I know of and low and behold I think it's labour councils the lot

derby
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_City_Council


oxford
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_City_Council_election,_2014



rotherham
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_sex_grooming_case

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_Council_election,_2012



rochdale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_Council_election,_2012


middlesborough
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/live-middlesbrough-grooming-trial-trio-6706250

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middlesbrough_Borough_Council


bristol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_sex_gang

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_City_Council


Telford
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_and_Wrekin_Council


Halifax
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/25-west-yorkshire-men-charged-child-sexual-offences-against-same-alleged-victim-1486674


Newcastle
http://www.northumbria.police.uk/news_and_events/news/details.asp?id=103354
http://www.northumbria.police.uk/advice_and_information/operation_sanctuary/updates/index.asp

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Add this one to the list.


AYLESBURY ABUSE CASE  THE OLD BAILEY -- FRIDAY

Vikram Singh, 45, of Cannock Road, Aylesbury, was found guilty of four counts of rape and administering a substance with intent.

Asif Hussain, 33, of Hodge Lea, Milton Keynes, was convicted of three counts of rape.

Arshad Jani, 33, of Cousins Drive, Aylesbury, was found guilty of rape and conspiracy to rape.

Mohammed Imran, 38, of Springcliffe Street, Bradford, was convicted of three counts of rape, one count of conspiracy to rape and one count of child prostitution.

Akbari Khan, 36, of Mandeville Road, Aylesbury, was found guilty of two counts of rape, administering a substance with intent, conspiracy to rape.

Taimoor Khan, 29, of Highbridge Road, Aylesbury, was convicted of one count of sexual activity with a child.

Sohail Qamar, 41, of St Anne's Road, Aylesbury, was cleared of two counts of rape, and assault occasioning actual bodily harm.

Sajad Ali, 34, of Brockhurst Road, Chesham, was found not guilty of sexual activity with a child.

Faisal Iqbal, 32, of Pixie Road, Aylesbury, was cleared of rape and sexual activity with a child.

Harmohan Nangpal, 41, of Langdale Drive, Hayes, was cleared of rape and sexual activity with a child.

The jury could not decide on charges against Jerome Joe, 35, of Pightle Crescent, Buckingham. He denies one count of rape and a single count of sexual activity with a child. The Crown announced that it will seek a retrial for him.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/aylesbury-child-sex-abuse-case-six-men-found-guilty-of-child-abuse-on-a-massive-scale-at-old-bailey-10415064.html
Report anxious July 26, 2015 12:38 PM BST
or Haut De Le Garreene  in  jersey
Report anxious July 26, 2015 12:41 PM BST
thats good that they have been convicted for despicable crimes , but the inquiries into the rich and famous, plus the miltary and more have been covered up and  the truth will be blocked by the establishment for evermore if they could get away with it.
Report spellingandgrammarchecker July 26, 2015 12:45 PM BST
They're all coonts of the highest order, that has to be said quite clearly.

One 'elite' lot protecting themselves is different to the police, the  council and child services ignoring it, and covering it up simply to gain votes.
Report spellingandgrammarchecker July 26, 2015 12:46 PM BST
the truth will be blocked by the establishment for evermore if they could get away with it.

'The establishment' covers all parties.

And nobody 'high up' and alive will go to prison for it.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 12:51 PM BST
The Labour party have been convicted as well,they are the supporters of the racist,sexual torture and abuse of white schoolchildren TODAY and are unelectable who knows what happened in the seventies,Cyril Smith is the only politician I am sure about.



These Labour towns and the Asian paedophiles are the concern for the electorate.

  That is why Labour are unelectable.


  Vote Labour get Rotherham is the message TODAY.
Report anxious July 26, 2015 12:53 PM BST
the Labour party are supporter of racist sexual torture- what absolute complete utter drivel
Report salmon spray July 26, 2015 12:53 PM BST
I have a fear your last sentence is correct s and g.
It is noticeable that since the Savile story broke a number of "celebrities" have found themselves behind bars but no politicians. We know Janner has a case to answer but there is no way he is going to jail. Morrison and Smith conveniently died years ago. It does look as though Brittan could have been prosecutable but that has only been stated in the mainstream since he died. We know there are several more under investigation but none of them will be young and one rather thinks any investigation will be so drawn out they will be dead or demented before action is taken.
Report anxious July 26, 2015 12:54 PM BST
you mean some labour councils did not investigate properly - is different than the labour party as a whole
Report anxious July 26, 2015 12:56 PM BST
ive never read such garbage in my life , your mind is completely poisoned hunter
Report anxious July 26, 2015 12:58 PM BST
have you never heard about  a former Conservative prime minister on his yacht known as uncle teddy
Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 12:59 PM BST
anxious 26 Jul 15 12:54 Joined: 14 May 15 | Topic/replies: 1,736 | Blogger: anxious's blog
you mean some labour councils did not investigate properly - is different than the labour party as a whole


  Maybe to you Hanks,but not to decent middle Engerlaand LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh.
Report anxious July 26, 2015 1:02 PM BST
decent middle england i doubt there is such a thing
Report anxious July 26, 2015 1:06 PM BST
to say that one political party is condoning and conducting mass pedophilia is absolute fantasy
Report salmon spray July 26, 2015 1:10 PM BST
I wouldn't push the Heath angle anxious or you are falling into HUNTER's trap and making a nasty dirty business party political which it really shouldn't be as we know all 3 parties have dirty linen.
I know there is a lot floating around about Heath on the net but I doubt whether it's true. There would be something more credible surfaced by now if there was anything in it. Ted suffered suspicion simply because he never married. It's quite possible he was a suppressed homosexual ( we know there were quite a few around when it was illegal ) or he may have been asexual which again is not THAT unusual.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 1:10 PM BST
You would not be welcome Hanks. Stay where you are in Labour lands ignoring what is happening and excusing it by trying to revisit the past and grave digging.



  Cameron,Gideon and Farage do not control the LABOUR party TODAY nor does Thatcher?
Report CJ70 July 26, 2015 1:15 PM BST

Jul 26, 2015 -- 6:58AM, anxious wrote:


have you never heard about

Report CJ70 July 26, 2015 1:15 PM BST
Have some allegations to make, anxious?
Report CJ70 July 26, 2015 1:16 PM BST

Jul 26, 2015 -- 7:10AM, salmon spray wrote:


I wouldn't push the Heath angle anxious or you are falling into HUNTER's trap and making a nasty dirty business party political which it really shouldn't be as we know all 3 parties have dirty linen.I know there is a lot floating around about Heath on the net but I doubt whether it's true. There would be something more credible surfaced by now if there was anything in it. Ted suffered suspicion simply because he never married. It's quite possible he was a suppressed homosexual ( we know there were quite a few around when it was illegal ) or he may have been asexual which again is not THAT unusual.


Very sensible ^^

Report anxious July 26, 2015 1:19 PM BST
im not making any allegations merely repeating what ive read and heard ok
Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 1:21 PM BST
It is most refreshing that the electorate and middle Engerlaaand have seen through your smokescreens, TODAY.




Who would want their daughter to be racially and sexually abused and tortured in a Labour town helped by the council?  I will not vote for Rotherham hanks,you do.


If you dont like Thatcher vote Ukip they were not around in the seventies,PIE and socialists wereWink
Report anxious July 26, 2015 1:23 PM BST
Hunter get your medication reviewed please.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 1:26 PM BST
Jul 26, 2015 -- 1:10PM, salmon spray wrote:

I wouldn't push the Heath angle anxious or you are falling into HUNTER's trap



   Be careful you do not fall into HUNTER's trap Hanks as opposed to the traps set by Labour councils and Labour for white schoolgirls.

Very sensible ^^
Report dave1357 July 26, 2015 1:49 PM BST
A.H HUNTER esq. • July 26, 2015 12:51 PM BST

  Vote Tory get Aylesbury is the message TODAY.


fixed
Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 1:52 PM BST
dave1357 25 Jul 15 09:47 Joined: 05 Sep 10 | Topic/replies: 3,466 | Blogger: dave1357's blog
Jul 24, 2015 -- 10:15AM, A.H HUNTER esq. wrote:

pawras 14 Jun 15 09:55 Joined: 13 May 12 | Topic/replies: 4,601 | Blogger: pawras's bloghere's the links to list of the grooming cases I know of and low and behold I think it's labour councils the lotderbyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_ganghttp://en.wikipedia.org/w... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_ganghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxf... http://www.northumbria.police.uk/advice_and_information/operation_sanctuary/...

Aylesbury, the responsibility of Tory Buckingham County Council left off the list

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-33662503

Hunter does his bit to cover-up for the party


  In this case these Asian perverts have all been charged and sentenced,there is no suggestion that these Asian perverts were aided by the council,although even in Bucks there are Asian communities who are guilty of this racist,sexual abuse of a minor.


But wherever they gather white girls are at risk of racist sexual abuse and torture.  In Rotherham most of the abusers are STILL at large and the council is guilty of neglect.  Labour towns are a safe haven for Asian perverts, as shown in this case in Tory towns they will be brought to justice. The problem in Labour towns is these perverts actually have friends working at these councils who are covering for the perverts.

  A fifth column.

  There should be no safe havens for these people anywhere in the country,under Labour these perverts had the "whip hand",only now are they facing exposure.

The day Labour were trusted with power in 1997 this was allowed to flourish,only now is this issue being tackled.


  I think I covered that? prat.
Report CJ70 July 26, 2015 1:58 PM BST

Jul 26, 2015 -- 7:49AM, dave1357 wrote:


A.H HUNTER esq. • July 26, 2015 12:51 PM BST  Vote Tory get Aylesbury is the message TODAY. fixed


Not sure you thought that one through.

Aylesbury is a prosperous market town with above average earnings. Vote Conservative for a better standard of living and prosperity.

Ironically that's why they won the election.

Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 2:00 PM BST
Abusing white children in Aylesbury means prison,not a place on the board that controls the police,my learned friend.
Report salmon spray July 26, 2015 2:07 PM BST
I wouldn't dispute that there was a disinclination by certain people in Rotherham to look into these allegations with the enthusiasm they should have shown. Very few people would disagree with that but I think you are now flirting with the libel laws HUNTER.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 2:17 PM BST
Be so kind as to point out where that may be,spray?
Report dave1357 July 26, 2015 2:21 PM BST

Jul 26, 2015 -- 7:58AM, CJ70 wrote:


Jul 26, 2015 --  1:49PM, dave1357 wrote: A.H HUNTER esq. • July 26, 2015 12:51 PM BST  Vote Tory get Aylesbury is the message TODAY. fixedNot sure you thought that one through.Aylesbury is a prosperous market town with above average earnings. Vote Conservative for a better standard of living and prosperity. Ironically that's why they won the election.


This is the context

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33656802

I don't think people want that from a Tory administration

Report salmon spray July 26, 2015 2:32 PM BST
Has anybody on " the police board " been found guilty of abusing children HUNTER ? If so I apologise.
Report CJ70 July 26, 2015 2:35 PM BST

Jul 26, 2015 -- 8:21AM, dave1357 wrote:


Jul 26, 2015 --  1:58PM, CJ70 wrote:Jul 26, 2015 --  1:49PM, dave1357 wrote: A.H HUNTER esq. • July 26, 2015 12:51 PM BST  Vote Tory get Aylesbury is the message TODAY. fixedNot sure you thought that one through.Aylesbury is a prosperous market town with above average earnings. Vote Conservative for a better standard of living and prosperity. Ironically that's why they won the election.This is the contexthttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33656802I don't think people want that from a Tory administration


I don't think anybody wants sex offenders from any administration.

The problem you seem to be missing is that in Rotherham the issue was caused by politically driven inaction in an area that is essentially a Labour rotten borough.

But still vote Conservative get Aylesbury is a particularly tempting slogan if you happen to live in an area not as affluent as Aylesbury.

Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 2:36 PM BST
Did you hear about the gangs of white taxi drivers in the market towns of Southern England who over a period of decades have been grooming, drugging and serially raping under-age girls of Pakistani Kashmiri heritage?

No of course not. It hasn’t happened and it couldn’t happen for any number of cultural reasons, the main one being this: the very second that the social services or the police or the victims’ community got even a whiff of what was going on there would be all hell to pay.

There’d be riots in inner cities, urgent questions in the House, demands for immediate action which would swiftly translate into a number of arrests. The Prime Minister would issue a grovelling mea culpa that such hideous crimes could have been allowed to take place in tolerant, multicultural Britain. Ministerial deputations to sundry mosques would reassure “Community leaders” that the issue was being given the highest priority. New concessions would be made to the Muslim community. The Guardian and the BBC would work themselves into ecstasies of righteous pontification. Special reduced sentences would be given to the rioters found guilty of arson, criminal damage or causing injury on account of the mitigating circumstances of the vile crimes that provoked their rage. And so on…

Not so, though, when the victims are white working class, as we’ve seen yet again, in the latest official report, by Louise Casey, into the Rotherham rape gang scandal – in which, over a period of decades, at least 1400 mostly underage, predominantly white girls have been groomed, drugged and raped by local Pakistani Kashmiri Muslims.

What emerges very clearly in the Casey report is the callous indifference of the local police to these poor girls’ plight.

Here’s a particularly grim example:

‘Child 3, aged 13, was found by the police at 3am…in a semi-derelict house alone with a large group of adult males. She was drunk, the result of having been supplied with alcohol, and there was evidence that her clothing had been disrupted. She alone was arrested for a public order offence, detained, prosecuted, appeared before the Youth Court and received a Referral Order for which the YOT arranged ‘reparation’, drug and alcohol counselling, art psychotherapy and victim awareness sessions.’

Yep, you read aright. The only person to be arrested when police found a child, three years below the age of consent, drunk and surrounded by her adult abusers was the child!

And no wonder with police attitudes like this:

In one victim’s account, a police officer told her: “Nothing good will come of it. I’ve seen your files. You lied about that man all those years ago.” He then pulled the police car over and persuaded her to drop the charges against a perpetrator. After ripping up some paperwork, he dropped her off at a restaurant where girls, including victims of CSE, and suspected perpetrators used to gather.

Inspectors wondered if some of this inaction was rooted in the attitudes of some South Yorkshire Police officers to the victims. They did not seem to believe the girls or their families or those who reported problems. They did not treat them as victims.

“The girls were blamed for a lot of what happened. It’s unbelievable and key to why it wasn’t taken seriously as an issue.” A police officer

“There was no awareness. The view was that they were little slags.” A key partner

“They didn’t understand the situation, and thought that the girls were happy, or complicit in it. The sense was that if there had been any offence it had been by the girls, for luring the men in.” A key partner

Can you imagine, post the Macpherson report and after well over a decade’s compulsory and regular diversity training, that any police force – even one as apparently venal and useless as South Yorkshire Police – would have been anywhere near so complacent if the perpetrators had been white and the victims from an ethnic minority?

The behaviour of Rotherham borough council in these matters was, of course, no better – which is why Communities Secretary Eric Pickles has stripped it of its powers.

“Where everyone matters” says the council’s logo, commissioned no doubt at vast local taxpayer expense from some trendy branding agency. What would have been more accurate, though, would have been: “Where everyone matters, just so long as it doesn’t involve upsetting the local Muslim community whose feelings and prejudices take precedence over everything.”

Here’s more evidence from the Casey report:

“If we mentioned Asian taxi drivers we were told we were racist and the young people were seen as prostitutes.” A former social worker

“…you couldn’t bring up race issues in meetings… or you would be branded a racist.” A key partner

“The number one priority was to preserve and enhance the [Pakistani heritage] community – which wasn’t an unworthy goal but it wasn’t right at the time. It was difficult to stand up in a meeting and say that the perpetrators were from the Pakistani Heritage community and were using the taxi system – even though everyone knew it.” A former key partner

Frontline staff were clearly anxious about being branded racist. Whether there was an element of self-censorship or otherwise, the impact of this was clear. The Council was not dealing with a serious problem right before its eyes.

Certainly this was not limited to frontline officers. There was also a clear perception among senior officers that the ethnic dimension of CSE in Rotherham was taboo. “They wanted to use any other word than Asian males. They were terrified about [the effect on] community cohesion. I got this sense from overhearing conversations between [senior Member] and [senior officer] ….they were terrified of the BNP”. A former senior officer.

We also learn from the report that it was felt within the Council that any issues regarding the city’s Pakistani community (even when, as in this case, it happened to impinge on what was being done to the white community) could only be dealt with by councillors of Pakistani heritage.

The former Deputy Leader, Jahangir Akhtar, was sometimes seen to be able to ‘deliver’ on difficult issues for the council. Inspectors were told that he had been able to stop young ‘Asian’ men coming out on the streets when the EDL wanted to march in the town.

“Given the town’s problems with the EDL, someone with this kind of reach and influence into the local population was extremely helpful.”A former senior officer

Pakistani heritage Councillors had and have (whether acquired or taken) a disproportionate influence in the council, particularly on issues which appeared to affect the Pakistani heritage community such as the taxi trade.

“I think what we’re probably talking about [is] the disproportionate influence one particular community has, how it punches above its weight and the power these politicians have.” A Councillor

Some claimed that Jahangir Akhtar’s influence extended to the police: “There was once a situation where a girl from a Pakistani heritage family went missing, they [Asian Councillors] went straight to the Chief Superintendent and that influenced our operations, they held a lot of power.” A police officer

It ought not to need explaining – but clearly does – that all this contradicts one of the most fundamental principles of the British justice system: that everyone is equal before the law.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 2:39 PM BST
Jahangir Akhtar,

  named and shamed spray.


  now go ahead punk,make my day.
Report salmon spray July 26, 2015 2:46 PM BST
Certainly from what I can find I consider Mr Akhtar to be a complete disgrace,but I can't find any record of his conviction. And he sounds just the type who would sue.
Oh dear HUNTER     Sad
Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 2:49 PM BST
salmon spray 26 Jul 15 14:32 Joined: 10 Jan 07 | Topic/replies: 34,669 | Blogger: salmon spray's blog
Has anybody on " the police board " been found guilty of abusing children HUNTER ? If so I apologise.


You cnt.
Report dave1357 July 26, 2015 2:52 PM BST

Jul 26, 2015 -- 8:46AM, salmon spray wrote:


Certainly from what I can find I consider Mr Akhtar to be a complete disgrace,but I can't find any record of his conviction. And he sounds just the type who would sue.Oh dear HUNTER     


its ok doubt that hunter has a pot to piss in, so no point suing

Report salmon spray July 26, 2015 2:54 PM BST
Charming.
He certainly sounds a nasty piece of work but has he or has he not been found guilty of abusing children ?
Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 3:16 PM BST
Yes you are a socialist spray.
Evil.
Report salmon spray July 26, 2015 3:43 PM BST
So the answer is he hasn't.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 26, 2015 3:46 PM BST
Thats your answer spray.
Report salmon spray July 26, 2015 3:49 PM BST
I think that's the end of that conversation.
Report tonkability July 26, 2015 8:16 PM BST
I too despise these Muslim abusers and any peadophile apologists of any ilk including Thatcher but you Hunter are a piece of filth  who deserves a bloody good hiding for your idiotic and rancid posts .Cool
Report CJ70 July 26, 2015 8:37 PM BST
Still early closing where you live, tonks?
Report tonkability July 26, 2015 9:18 PM BST
Have been at Carlisle Races  1 pint Al day Happy
Report Eeternaloptimist July 26, 2015 9:26 PM BST
Of Vodka? And what of the night Tonks? How many will you consume now before the late night rant?
Report tonkability July 26, 2015 10:24 PM BST
LaughLaugh no early night busy week ahead
Report Pokermonster July 26, 2015 10:39 PM BST
Even as a staunch right-winger and one who considers Thatcher to be the best Prime Minister of my lifetime it nonetheless seems perfectly reasonable to me for somebody to criticise, vilify even, any role she might have played in suppressing the alleged acts of Messrs Brittan, Morrison, Hayman et al.  If she know anything (and the case is still out as far as I know) and subsequently failed to act then it's unforgivable.

There are certain issues, exposing paedophiles and exacting justice for their victims being an obvious example, that should trump any semblance of misguided allegiance to a particular political party, cause or credo.  I find it truly disturbing, therefore, to witness outright denial and childish insults jostle for predominance when certain left-wingers address the recent scandals in south Yorkshire.
Report Pokermonster July 26, 2015 10:47 PM BST
*knew
Report Eeternaloptimist July 26, 2015 11:46 PM BST
Quite right Poker. If Thatcher knew and waved these fiends through then she is beneath contempt but we must be careful not to allow the usual nutters tho besmirch her name as if it is established fact that she did know.
Report salmon spray July 27, 2015 12:40 AM BST
That is where I tried to correct the OP. It's not party political. It's rancid whoever it is. Unfortunately HUNTER hi-jacked the thread with his Labour = paedophile nonsense.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 27, 2015 1:15 AM BST
Hunter is given to hyperbole as many of us can be when we are on a roll but what simply has to be addressed and largely hasn't by the left is the culture which sprung up which meant it was okay for all manner of state agencies to turn a blind eye to what went on. Now yes I agree with your point to an extent that we need to take party politics out of it but only to an extent because not only is there an element of party politics involved in this but the culture relating to what went on did come from the left. You can accept this or you may choose not to but this is the culmination of decades of, if we are being generous, muddled thinking amongst people of the left. The simple truth is that we have amongst us untold amounts of people whose core values are very different to our own.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 27, 2015 1:19 AM BST
If that wasn't clear I'll be explicit:

Where culture or religion conflicts with the law of the land those who are entrusted with positions of authority which involve them accessing the law must do so without fear or favour. Things must change and in particular the left have to buy into this and be wiling to face down the howls coming from some quarters as they inevitably will.
Report salmon spray July 27, 2015 1:22 AM BST
I have no problem with your last post Eo.
Report Pokermonster July 27, 2015 1:23 AM BST
Agree entirely, EO.

And the ironic thing is, of course, the open door policy of left-wing governments towards immigration adversely affects their own core voting demographic, the working class, more than most.
Report Eeternaloptimist July 27, 2015 1:32 AM BST
I'm a little undecided about one thing Poker. Labour has always relied and seemed to always think they can rely on the working class vote. What will truly set the cat amongst the pigeons is if this is no longer the case. Some areas remain staunchly wedded to the party but there seems the first stirrings of some people beginning to shop around. As I said pre election the political landscape is crying out for UKIP to park its economical tanks on Labour's front garden because with UKIP's anti EU and controlled immigration message it is quite conceivable that Labour could haemorrhage huge chunks of their deemed natural electorate and as King Kevin once said:

I would love it. Just love it.
Report Pokermonster July 27, 2015 1:38 AM BST
Indeed, EO.

My only concern with Labour's support collapsing in the manner you suggest is how and when a credible opposition will emerge to challenge the incumbent Conservative government.  I may be a right-wing Tory voter, but still firmly believe that a strong and viable opposition is in the country's best interest.
Report blackburn1 July 27, 2015 6:36 AM BST
This is a worrying time for politics, a poor govt with no effective opposition makes for lethargy at best.

I'm very hopeful that Corbyn wins the leadership election, for the first time in ages there'll be a clear division in what people can choose to support. I actually believe if he does win the Labour Party will split into two, the vulgar self interest of new labour on one hand, the crackpot statism on the other.

EO I clearly have a vested interest in your assessment, ukip too needs to identify its raison d'être and target market, I'm curious to see how we position ourselves.
Report sean rua July 27, 2015 6:55 AM BST
Dear oh dear!

A K unter:

Please learn to read and comprehend before churning out your daily dose of ultra-conservative lobbyist propaganda.

I'd better do it in ABC fashion, as that's probably what ye have in your beano or ladybird book :

A) Personal Matters

I am just as opposed to the nulab reformist party as ye are. They are not the vehicle for socialism; they are - like yourself - just another hindrance and obstructive distraction in our way.
I have told ye all this many times, but ye seem incapable of understanding it.

B) I am, along with a handful of others on here, one who has stated his opposition and dislike of ALL PERVERTS, be they ultra-conservative pakis or ultra-conservative jackal/fk alls like your self, be they nulab/gaylib/anything else politically, be they ANY religion.
I say perverts are all cnts. The most powerful group of perverts are rich ruling class bstrds - the sort of people ye seem to dote on.


I'll leave C) for tomorrow, as I feel that lesson will be enough for one day for ye. Please tery to absorb it, and, if God spares me down the cancer hospital again, I'll be back tomorrow to see whether ye've managed a bit of self-improvement.
'Ti s for your own good. Please make use of the opportunity and quit the poison.

BTw, tomorrow we'll be baqck to the main thing in politics = PRINCIPLES.

c YA!Happy
Report A.H HUNTER esq. July 27, 2015 12:17 PM BST
So tell me rua or any members of the socialist group,what is it about your ideology that determines you should decide who did what and when in the seventies? (the only people in power who I am sure about are your catholic priests and Cyril Smith?) and ye seem to excuse them and I mean directly involved and what is it about socialism that it seeks to drive Farage out of Rotherham?       

Rua you do realise that whilst you are wasting your time on Thatcher your socialist group is supplying white girls to Pakistani paedophiles and by dragging Thatcher into it your brand of socialism is complicit in what is happening TODAY.


Why the smokescreen rua? Why is YOUR brand of socialism not addressing the issues of TODAY.

Your brand rua,the super duper brand,not the old working mans brand. And certainly not that cnt Russells BrandConfused



  Rua let me answer that for you?
You are part of the problem,not the answer.  Your brand of socialism is still obsessed with Thatcher,she shat on ye Laugh

Rua tiswas your brand of socialism especially that ignores the issues of TODAY,ye catholic priests are all deed and so is Cyril.

  Rua instead of wasting your time down the pits,yôu could have had a cushy number at a Labour socialist council,you would have got away with it,their main grief is still ThatcherCry










































































   Until now Sad
Report sean rua July 28, 2015 10:24 AM BST
FFS! wac!

Please learn to understand basic factual statements, ak unter.

Here they are again in black and white:

"

I am just as opposed to the nulab reformist party as ye are. They are not the vehicle for socialism; they are - like yourself - just another hindrance and obstructive distraction in our way.
I have told ye all this many times, but ye seem incapable of understanding it.

B) I am, along with a handful of others on here, one who has stated his opposition and dislike of ALL PERVERTS, be they ultra-conservative pakis or ultra-conservative jackal/fk alls like your self, be they nulab/gaylib/anything else politically, be they ANY religion.
I say perverts are all cnts. The most powerful group of perverts are rich ruling class bstrds - the sort of people ye seem to dote on."


OK, now before going off on a fkn benny agin, please look and see how these two honest statements DO NOT match your fkn stereo-typical template that ye blindly assert I should fit.

Basically, this is called blind prejudice. It is irrational.
I've given ye two personal facts about myself  and ye fly off at a tangent that gets nobody anywhere.

'Till ye can grasp basic facts, we cannot get very far in showing ye the way forward.

Luckily, old thatcher like old heath and blair are all just cnts from the past. They are just bad memories.

I'll go into your ludicrous ideas about Ireland ( socialist republic? Laugh) when ye have shown yourself capable of understanding just two simple statements.
Report tonkability July 28, 2015 11:31 PM BST
Sean you are wasting your time Munter is an imbecile  and really not worth the effort Sad
Report sean rua July 29, 2015 9:19 AM BST
Sadly, tonks, if we believe in the principles of universal suffrage, we have to embrace every fkr, be they ruling class perverts or their imbecile lackeys.

'Tis not pleasant work but some bstrd has to do it.

I cannot really understand the motivation of the producers of ultra-conservative propaganda pamphlets in allowing their leaflet distributors to veer from their paper-round and come on here talking sh ite and pumping out their message.
Surely, the ignorance of these lowly-paid servile lackeys is an embarrassing negative that leads to self-destructive, self-defeating results?

OK, no doubt they would counter that I do the same, but, the major difference is I'm not singing off a professionally-produced hymn-sheet that promotes vested interests.
I speak from experience and from my own heart and mind. Not blind hatred, just a realisation of what is fkn wrong in society and its economics.

However, just pointing out the obvious flaws in a bad system is not enough; we need to work to change things for the better.
Many's the shift I shovelled over sixteen tons, but I can tell ye that this job is much harder!Grin
'Tis the battle for hearts and minds.

At present we have our backs to the ropes. Cnts like the nulab, gaylib, ewe-krap, pressure groups don't help. They divert valuable resources toward fkn silly little trivialities.

We need a new global system that's under our control bc folk think 'tis right.
Without this, everything and anything will always fail, eventually, and the working classes will have to suffer most.

Btw, ak unter referred to Ireland as a "socialist republic". LaughLaugh

Just yesterday, the powers that be made it easier to allow back the very same banker/developers who bust the country in the first place!
Property prices and rent costs have escalated over the last months almost as much as they did in the last bubble.

"Socialist republic" be fkd!

Let aK unter ask his fellow british union of fascists pal, Wilde drunk of Tipperary/borneo, about it, if he don't believe me.

We cannot have  socialism in isolated patches; 'tis a global system, otherwse it won't work.
Report anxious July 29, 2015 9:25 AM BST
Mr sean i wanted to ask you if as i can see you are a revolutionary Marxist it may take a long time to have a full scale revolution , at this then why do you so fervently disagree with say the Labour party which some socialists do join , if you cannot have a full cake surely a half or a quarter is better than nothing if you see what i mean
Report blackburn1 July 29, 2015 10:58 AM BST
A revolutionary Marxist?

Hilarious, he's on a betting exchange you dope, he's neither a Marxist or a revolutionary
Report anxious July 29, 2015 11:11 AM BST
hurling abuse again are we ?
Report blackburn1 July 29, 2015 11:17 AM BST
I'm happy to hurl abuse at somebody who refers to a fellow punter, who he's never met, as a revolutionary Marxist. Somebody suggested you were a teenager yesterday, its difficult to get away from that idea tbh.

What did that other bloke from East Manchester say:

I'm gonna start a revolution from my bed........

Are you one of the other band members - bonehead?
Report anxious July 29, 2015 11:22 AM BST
blackburn im impressed with your rockn roll knowledge, are you trying to say that you cant gamble if you have left wing views ?
Report anxious July 29, 2015 11:23 AM BST
when in rome and all that
Report blackburn1 July 29, 2015 11:26 AM BST
Nope, I'm simply saying that in your Marxist utopia betfair would be seen as the mother of all evils, greedy capitalists stealing money from anonymous poor people.

I grew up with coal miners, the Kent miners were seen as some of the most militant, to a man they loved a bet, none of them ever spoke about a Marxist revolution, they were all grown up men.
Report anxious July 29, 2015 11:29 AM BST
blackburn i addressed him in a lighthearted way , whats the matter with you are you still sore at failing to be elected to the house of conmen ?
Report blackburn1 July 29, 2015 11:31 AM BST
Not sore in the slightest, while you were spouting nonsense on a forum I was going through a fascinating experience which taught me an awful lot.

Education comes in various ways, you should give it a go.
Report salmon spray July 29, 2015 11:32 AM BST
Now come on blackburn.
As a revolutionary Marxist myself I am on here to win money off you capitalists to support revolutionary causes.
Years ago Lampus persuaded me to give him all my profits to subsidise his Cornish Revolutionary Army. They will be advancing across the Tamar any day now and Dave will have to flee to Eritrea     Happy
Report blackburn1 July 29, 2015 11:35 AM BST
Ah I forgot you lot are modern day Robin Hoods
Report salmon spray July 29, 2015 11:50 AM BST
With a sense of humour.
Report Lampus July 29, 2015 7:31 PM BST
Devil


River Fal
Report sean rua July 30, 2015 8:41 AM BST
Anxiety:

Yes, indeed, the big change will probably take some time; there is a lot to be done and we don't get the media help that mainstream reformist parties get.

Reformist parties are seen for what they are by the capitalist ruling classes, ie. weak, ineffectual outlets - rather like Corporation Street ( England's favourite tv show of all time) that are just sops for workers to feel better about themselves and REMAIN DOCILE.

That's their effect, even if tis not what some intended.
As such, they are considered harmless and beneficial for the rulers, and are tolerated so. It makes little difference to them which of the silly fkrs gets in at election time.
If ye are not convinced, just check out so called "Red China" or Russia: how many new millionaires do those lads churn out each year? Far more than even Dave or Blair did/do is the correct answer.

Why reformist pressure groups have to be opposed is because of the DAMAGE  they do by WASTING TIME  that can be ill-afforded by the working class.

OK, while capitalism lasts the capitalist get richer by the second, but, we, on the other hand just miss out on, possibly, yet another lifetime wasted grinding away in an unnecessary and harmful system.

There is NO GOOD Reason  for us to continue settling for SECOND BEST.  We can make this world a decent place and we shouldn't be afraid to take the opportunity.
Fiddling around trying to make capitalism "acceptable" by reformism DOES NOT and CANNOT WORK.
History shows this, so why fk about with useless tools like nulab, gaylib, ewe-krap and the others?

All ye do is give professional career politician dossers a fkn good cushy number.
Quit this headless voting!!Grin

--

Re gambling: yes, I'm the first to admit that it is the product of an imperfect set-up. Point is, under capitalism, 'tis dog eat dog and anything goes. Every fkr tries to get away with whatever he can regardless of any considerations.

So long as capitalism is thrust upon us, we have little choice but to get from the rat-race what we can to survive or give up and fkn die.

Meanwhile, we can still work for a better world through trying to spread a better way of thinking. That way IF and WHEN enough folk think along the same lines we can make the big shift DEMOCRATICALLY.
The understanding and acceptance of the principles has to come first.

Otherwise, 'tis like sh iting before dropping yer fkn trousers; all ye end up with is yet another mess. That's the sort of nonsense reformists do.

We'll do things differently; we'll do them right.Happy
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