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Eeternaloptimist
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They often expect the state to do things instead of taking responsibility for making things better themselves. They not only want to steal from the wealthy but they also expect to steal from future generations with impunity as well. They want the best for themselves but expect others to pay for it. If faced with a dilemma of make do and mend or splash the cash and leave the bill for someone else to pay then..........yep, you guessed it. The best of everything and now is their mantra and hang the consequences. What a horrible lot.
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Report unitedbiscuits May 25, 2015 6:54 PM BST
Selfishness is the cornerstone of the Right. "Greed is good." "Honey I shorted your house." Right-wingers worship greed, to take their creed to its logical conclusion in extolling ruthless self-interest, their God is cancer.
Report Eeternaloptimist May 25, 2015 7:29 PM BST
well in terms of tripe from you that is well up to your usual standard. if it wasn't you who had posted it I would have remarked on its suprising stupidity.

Still a coward after all these years crybaby.
Report pawras May 25, 2015 8:00 PM BST
angel - I don't believe in paying for the bad decisions made by anyone at any point on the economic scale. A caveat being, for either end, if no intervention has a much more of negative net impact on the country than intervention would.  Which is why I wouldn’t advocate people, born in UK, being left without food, shelter or medical care.

united - if greed equals seeking to keep what I've earned and not wishing to hand it over to other people then greed is good baby!

Ski- if on balance someone is a net taker then I’d like to hear how you think any money is taken from them and handed to the ‘rich’. Also who you do define as the rich? The upper 50% who pay 90% of the tax?
Compared to other points in the last 50 years inflation doesn’t seem that high at the moment ie just look at 1971 – 1982
http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/2647/economics/history-of-inflation-in-uk/
Report Howdi May 25, 2015 8:16 PM BST
Maggie Thatcher 'The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of spending other peoples money'
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 8:35 PM BST
Maggie Thatcher 'The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of spending other peoples money'

Of course she also said that there were the " good "  Khmer Rouge she wanted to do business with and the not so good.

That was quite evil garbage as well.
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 8:39 PM BST
well in terms of tripe from you that is well up to your usual standard. if it wasn't you who had posted it I would have remarked on its suprising stupidity.

Still a coward after all these years crybaby.

I am no coward but anyway even if you were for once being truthful it would still be better than being  a truly ghastly,stinking, lying bigot like you.
Report Eeternaloptimist May 25, 2015 8:51 PM BST
Of course she also said that there were the " good "  Khmer Rouge she wanted to do business with and the not so good.

That was quite evil garbage as well.


And of course a quite deliberate and evil lie. True to left wing form. Accuse your opponent of lying while telling whoppers all the time. What a horrible rancid specimen you are.
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 8:58 PM BST
No no. She said it alright. She armed the Khmer Rouge with our money and when challenged she said there were some Kymer Rouge who were good and she wanted to support.

It is of course an absolute fact, not a lie, but a fact.

I am unsurprised you did not know this fact. That is because you are ignorant as well as bigoted.
Report Eeternaloptimist May 25, 2015 9:16 PM BST
Then show me the quote.
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 9:28 PM BST
Oh back to that again.

I don't need to, if you want look it up for yourself.

You assume others are lying because that is all you ever do. I am telling you the truth. She was ambushed by a reporter who challenged her policy of supporting the Kymer Rouge. She said that there were some Kmer Rouge that "we can do business with" the " not so bad ones" .

I remember it very well. It was shown as part of a documentary about Cambodia post Pol Pot. I am actually surprised you dispute this fact. It has been proven on the forum again and again that the Thatch supported the Khmer Rouge. It's on Wikipaedia and other very accessible places.

When you have looked it up I know what a good decent honest person would do.

He would say "sorry I got it wrong again" .

You however are not decent or honest of good.

You are an odious bigot so you will bluster and wriggle and lie again.
Report pawras May 25, 2015 9:32 PM BST
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Margaret_Thatcher


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The problem with socialism[edit]

A quote attributed to Margaret Thatcher goes along the lines of
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money [to spend]."
or
"Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money [to spend]."
There are a number of similar almost-quotes to be found on the Web, but I haven't found any authoritative sources. She may, in fact, have made the statement in various forms at different times. QuicksilverT @ 15:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Update: Margaret Thatcher, in a TV interview for Thames TV This Week [[1]]on Feb. 5, 1976, Prime Minister Thatcher said, "...and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them."

The popular version seems to be a reasonable contraction.
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Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 9:33 PM BST
See if this link works on your computer

http://bloodandtreasure.typepad.com/blood_treasure/2011/08/mrs-thatcher-explains-the-khmer-rouge-to-british-children.html

What is quite appalling in this quote is that the evil cow tried to defend her evil policy to children.
Report pawras May 25, 2015 9:35 PM BST
cry - don't make claims then refuse to back it up with actual links and quotes and the tell people to go away and prove you right/wrong, just kills any credibility in your argument.
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 9:36 PM BST
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jan/09/cambodia

Or this one.
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 9:38 PM BST
Well 2 links are there now for you.

Anyone with any knowledge of that period of history recalls the Thtach's evil legacy.
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 9:40 PM BST
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http:/www.number10.gov.uk/Page12166

Another link for you.

An apology from the eeternal bigot is due but will not be forthcoming.

He will run away or bluster or wriggle or do the usual - lie and lie and lie.
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 9:42 PM BST
Another link for you..come on old pal. Surely you can see you were yet again quite wrong.

http://socialistunity.com/the-woman-who-changed-britain-thatcher-dead/
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 9:50 PM BST
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2014/04/how-thatcher-gave-pol-pot-hand

Another excellent link to the truth about Thatchers support of the "good" Khmer Rouge.
Report pawras May 25, 2015 9:51 PM BST
haven't gone through it yet as the Khmer Rouge is not something I'm familiar with, but re the guardian article it was about claims an ex Khmer Rouge commander was going to make in court, did he actually make the claims in court and was any of them proven?
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 9:52 PM BST
I say eeternal.

Are you going just for once come clean and admit you were wrong and apologise?

Or are you going to run and hide again?

And you called me a coward. LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 9:56 PM BST
Pawras. Just believe me, I am right, it's what her policy was and she told kiddies on Blue Peter there were "good " Khmer Rouge. All the links are there.

The background was her blind support for Reagan and the USA. They backed the Khmer Rouge because Pol Pot was kicked out of Cambodia by the Vietnamese. pol Pot came to power because of illegal USA bombing of Cambodia. They hated the Vitnamese because they had kicked the UDA out of their country. Thatcher just backed them to support the yanks. It was an evil error but it is a fact that she did it. A shameful bit of British history, defending the biggest mass murderer in modern times.
Report CJ70 May 25, 2015 10:00 PM BST
Pretty sure the biggest mass murderer in modern time is a toss up between Mao and Stalin.

Not all of us like cats.
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 10:01 PM BST
So 5 links to prove eeternaltube is a liar and a coward.

Splendid.

Will he:

1. Run for cover
2. Bluster and wriggle
3. Tell more lies and become abusive
4. A combination of 1,2 and 3.

5 apologise and behave like a decent human being.

Anyone make a book. It's 1000/1 bar 4!
Report pawras May 25, 2015 10:02 PM BST
I'm having a read, "reasonable" seems to be the word used not "good"
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 10:04 PM BST
Okay CJ you may well be right. Pol Pot may have killed a few million fewer than those 2. But the Thatch didn't give them training and arms.
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 10:05 PM BST
Pawras

Where do you think the eeternalbigot has gone to?
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 10:06 PM BST
And calling the Khmer Rouge of Pol Pot "reasonable" and giving them money and training them was okay then was it?
Report Eeternaloptimist May 25, 2015 10:06 PM BST
You've wasted my time yet again crybaby. You used the word good. I can find no evidence whatsover that Thatcher used the word good about them. It is a matter of record that at a UN meeting (I think) she made the point that you had to split the nutters within the Khmer Rouge from the "more reasonable" ones. That was what she said then and what she said in the Blue Peter article and that was in fact what actually happened in the country. So not only was Thatcher right in principle but she was right in actual fact. So stop lying and apologise you wretch.
Report pawras May 25, 2015 10:07 PM BST
yeah the killing fields was beginners stuff compared to Mao and Stalin.


but interestingly , Stalin , Mao , Pol Pot, all communist


I shall have a read around the Khmer Rouge stuff though as I can't really comment until then
Report Eeternaloptimist May 25, 2015 10:09 PM BST
And calling the Khmer Rouge of Pol Pot "reasonable"

Yet more lies. You never stop. She made a very clear distinction between Pol Pot and his supporters and others within the Khmer Rouge.
Report CJ70 May 25, 2015 10:09 PM BST

May 25, 2015 -- 4:04PM, cryoftruth wrote:


Okay CJ you may well be right. Pol Pot may have killed a few million fewer than those 2. But the Thatch didn't give them training and arms.


Your history is about as accurate as your politics.

Report Eeternaloptimist May 25, 2015 10:14 PM BST
The fact is that you take a truth crybaby and then you spin lies around it. The truth is that in a move which some will find appalling and some will find just another example of politics, Thatcher did the Americans work for them in helping the Khmer Rouge to stand up to the Vietnamese. This was a murky affair and we simply don't know the facts of what Thatcher did and didn't know in specific terms. We know that the SAS helped train the Khmer Rouge. We also know that Thatcher gave a statement in the House Of Commons essentially denying that by saying that we weren't helping them. Either she wasn't kept informed or she lied. We don't know which. Of course you will jump to your own conclusions but once again tonight's events show you are not to be trusted and will happily mislead people at will.
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 10:15 PM BST
So 5 links to prove eeternaltube is a liar and a coward.

Splendid.

Will he:

1. Run for cover
2. Bluster and wriggle
3. Tell more lies and become abusive
4. A combination of 1,2 and 3.

5 apologise and behave like a decent human being.

Anyone make a book. It's 1000/1 bar 4!


Sadly true to form another chance lost by eeternal bigot.

Just for once I had thought you would prove to be a bit less rancid than all previous form but I was proved right again.

You are a hopeless case.

Just think how much your reputation could have risen. After all you didn't know that the attach had been on the telly telling British children about the good Kymer Rouge and it's quite shocking that the evil witch actually did so, you could have just said. "Got it wrong" I would have said; okay not problem we can all make mistakes.

Instead you continue to lie and wriggle and bluster.

Do you never get tired of being shown up as an ignorant bigot, not even once?

There was never 2 Khmer Rouges never. There was just one and it was led by Pol Pot.
AND YOU IGNORANT IDIOT SHOULD KNOW THAT THE thatch only started arming them when they had been kicked out and had set up guerrilla bases in Thailand.
Report cryoftruth May 25, 2015 10:19 PM BST
And of course she started to arm and train the Khmer Rouge after the knowledge of what they had done had already come out.

You missed a chance tonight pal. I am sorry because even I thought you might have had just a little decency somewhere inside you.

I was wrong and am happy to admit it. You have no decency left, it's all been wasted away by your hatred and extremist and bigotry.

Very sad. I feel sorry for you and anyone sad enough to know you.
Report Eeternaloptimist May 25, 2015 10:21 PM BST
crybaby

Allow me to bring you back to the matter at hand. On the programme Thatcher used exactly the same wording as she had at the earlier meeting I referred to. She never used the word good. You said she did. You lied. I'll find the original quote from which this all springs from.
Report Eeternaloptimist May 25, 2015 10:25 PM BST
In fact this is the quote and it originates in that Blue Peter interview:

"So, you'll find that the more reasonable ones of the Khmer Rouge will have to play some part in the future government, but only a minority part. I share your utter horror that these terrible things went on in Kampuchea."

And now I'm going to go and find an example of the people she referred to as the more reasonable ones of the Khmer Rouge.
Report Eeternaloptimist May 25, 2015 10:34 PM BST
Here you go. Straight off the bat. First name ut of the hat. The main man of the country himself:

Hun Sen came to power with the Khmer Rouge and served as a Battalion Commander in the Eastern Region of Democratic Kampuchea (the state name during the Khmer rouge government). In 1977 during internal purges of the Khmer Rouge regime, Hun Sen and his battalion cadres fled to Vietnam.
Report Eeternaloptimist May 25, 2015 10:39 PM BST
I know you have difficulty telling fact from fiction and to be fair we do have to take your medication into consideration but just in case you were asking:

Hun Sen (Khmer: ហ៊ុន សែន; born 5 August 1952)[1] is the 34th and current Prime Minister of Cambodia, Deputy President of the Cambodian People's Party (CPP), and Member of Parliament (MP) for Kandal. He has served as Cambodia's premier for more than 25 years, making him the longest serving head of government of Cambodia and one of the longest serving leaders in the world.

There would have been many people like him operational or formerly operational within the Khmer Rouge. To make the assumption that they were all complete blood thirsty maniacs isn't accurate and probably a bit racist. Still I can understand why you'd think that way crybaby. They were after all commies. Laugh
Report Eeternaloptimist May 25, 2015 10:40 PM BST
How does Burky put it. Ah yes. I remember:

Fookin owned cnunt. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Eeternaloptimist May 25, 2015 10:40 PM BST
Come back chickenshiit. I've got a full keg of whup a55 for you just waiting.
Report pawras May 25, 2015 10:50 PM BST
Cry – you need to couch your arguments a bit less emotionally.
A key point of your argument is incorrect, I can only find the word ‘reasonable’ used not ‘good’, I’m not saying that was acceptable way to describe them either but if you’re going place such significance on their description then you have to get it correct or it blows a hole in your argument.
Plus she didn’t refer to Pol Pot as ‘reasonable’ she seems to be referring to what she saw as another element within the Khmer Rouge, whether there could have been said to be factions within the Khmer Rouge I don’t know but EO seems to have been doing to research on that.


The underlying argument for me is was it acceptable for the USA with some involvement from the UK government and whoever else, to give help to some element of the Khmer Rouge against the Soviet backed Vietnamese army, as part of the global cold war chess game at the time, to curtail Soviet Union influence in the world and specifically south east asia in this instance?
Report paddletoe May 25, 2015 11:02 PM BST
What is the saying - you shouldn't ask a question unless you have the full facts and you know how the witness will answer.
Report Eeternaloptimist May 25, 2015 11:30 PM BST
There's another. Don't fucck with the baldies. Wink
Report cryoftruth May 26, 2015 8:05 PM BST
Oh dear

Having given the stinking lying bigot another good shallacking I see in my absence he has tried to rewrite history and used more of his usually bullying disgusting and insulting language - "chickenshittt" being the latest variant of his normal foul mouthed and ignorant abuse; it normally gets cheaper and nastier when he gets caught lying.

It is, as I say quite sad, that having yet again been proven to have lied and been rude, the eeternalbigot chooses, instead of acting like a man and owning up to his crass and ignorant error, to try and do his normal, bluff, wriggle and bully his way out of the hole he dug for himself.

It is sad for him as it is actually no fun being a bully, he ends up being despised and pitied. Is also sad for anyone else on the forum as he inevttably sees anyone not as extreme as him as a bullying target. This 24/7 campaign of hatred and bigotry has put many decent folk off this forum.

Ah well eeternal. You had another chance and blew it all for the sake of pretending to save face.

Everyone on here has seen what you are like I guess eeternal so I suppose if you now started to act sensibly and stopped being an utter arrrse nobody would ever believe you had really changed anyway.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. May 26, 2015 8:06 PM BST
Who wrote that, Rupert Keegan?
Report cryoftruth May 26, 2015 8:15 PM BST
Oh and just so there is not doubt..
thatcher supported Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge with training and materials after the scale of the killing fields genocide was well known

That was a clear and shameful episode of British foreign policy that she and he minions lied about in the House of Commons.

It is not at all surprising that the eeternalbigot supports such a crazy evil policy. In fact is is utterly inevitable that he supports even in hindsight a policy that is supportive of mass murderers.

And of course the juxtaposition of his support on this forum for other massmurderers like Pinochet in Chile and his consistent and foul mouthed abuse of black people like, Obama, and Mandela and of course his favourite target, Diane Abbot is long and sadly recorded on this forum.

Come back when you need putting straight again bigot.

I think you have had enough of a thrashing for now.

Useless bigot!
Report A.H HUNTER esq. May 26, 2015 8:29 PM BST
and greasy and the economy?  LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

cryofbollox -you lost.
Report Angel Gabrial May 26, 2015 9:38 PM BST
Pol Pot was a pusst cat compared to that fancy dress crew and breast feeding mothers who interrupted Farage and his family meal.

Oh the outrage after that day!Cry
Report spellingandgrammarchecker May 26, 2015 9:53 PM BST
1. Run for cover
2. Bluster and wriggle
3. Tell more lies and become abusive
4. A combination of 1,2 and 3.
5 apologise and behave like a decent human being.

Anyone make a book. It's 1000/1 bar 4!


This is good from a nutcase who didn't want to name his own price and stake in a bet over my true identity. Laugh

I'll have a £1 bet on EO saying he was drunk when he posted it.

Will you take that at 1000/1?

If he doesn't say it, where do we meet for you get your £1?
Report ab----t May 26, 2015 9:55 PM BST
In 1983, Thatcher sent the SAS to train the "coalition" in its own distinctive brand of terrorism. Seven-man SAS teams arrived from Hong Kong, and British soldiers set about training "resistance fighters" in laying minefields in a country devastated by genocide and the world's highest rate of death and injury as a result of landmines.

More than 16,000 people wrote to Thatcher in protest. "I confirm," she replied to opposition leader Neil Kinnock, "that there is no British government involvement of any kind in training, equipping or co-operating with the Khmer Rouge or those allied to them." The lie was breathtaking. In 1991, the government of John Major admitted to parliament that the SAS had indeed trained the "coalition"
Report pawras May 26, 2015 10:05 PM BST
But still the underlying argument for me is was it acceptable for the USA with some involvement from the UK government and whoever else, to give help to some element of the Khmer Rouge against the Soviet backed Vietnamese army, as part of the global cold war chess game at the time, to curtail Soviet Union influence in the world and specifically south east asia in this instance?
Report ab----t May 26, 2015 10:22 PM BST
The corruption and inhumanity under Thatcher knew no borders. When she came to power in 1979, Thatcher demanded a total ban on exports of milk to Vietnam. The American invasion had left a third of Vietnamese children malnourished.  Oxfam and Save the Children had made clear to the British government the gravity of the emergency. An embargo led by the US had forced up the local price of a kilo of milk up to ten times that of a kilo of meat. Many children could have been restored with milk. Thatcher's ban held.
Report ab----t May 26, 2015 10:31 PM BST
Pawras there is no good reason for assisting or helping a regime that committed genocide, and then lie to your people about the help/assistance. It wasn't the only time Thatcher did it either.

In his arms-to-Iraq enquiry, Lord Richard Scott heard evidence that an entire tier of the Thatcher government, from senior civil servants to ministers, had lied and broken the law in selling weapons to Saddam Hussein. These were her "boys". Thumb through old copies of the Baghdad Observer, and there are pictures of her boys, mostly cabinet ministers, on the front page sitting with Saddam on his famous white couch. There is Douglas Hurd and there is a grinning David Mellor, also of the Foreign Office, around the time his host was ordering the gassing of 5,000 Kurds. Following this atrocity, the Thatcher government doubled trade credits to Saddam.
Report Angel Gabrial May 26, 2015 10:36 PM BST
Thatcher was a wicked coont in many ways. Right wingers can defend Thatcherism in the sense of her economic and social policy but when it comes to supporting mass murderers and sending in the SAS to educate terrorists on landmine strategy which kill many many innocents, then how could anyone defend that?
Report Eeternaloptimist May 26, 2015 11:59 PM BST
Nobody would I think Angel. Just asking the question whether Thatcher did it, was aware of it or whether it was done without her knowledge? Following on from that do people take into account realpolitik and accept that if Thatcher did order it does she get any allowance for the fact that sometimes our leaders hold their noses when makign hard choices because they think it in the national interest. reducing her to a cold calculating psychopath is too easy for the left and undermines their arguments credibility
Report Eeternaloptimist May 27, 2015 12:04 AM BST
Speaking of argument undermining ab--t does it above quoting John Pilger who is known for being an anti American/British sensationalist. The word Pilgerize was invented for him. In the same article he makes the accusations above he also says the following:

In 1982, the Argentine cruiser, General Belgrano, was steaming outside the Falklands exclusion zone. The ship offered no threat, yet Thatcher gave orders for it to be sunk. Her victims were 323 sailors, including conscripted teenagers. The crime had a certain logic.

People can draw their own conclusions but for me it was akin to the time I was enjoying reading The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein and she cited Tony Benn's comments about something to do with Thatcher implying he was some kind of impartial observer. You don't come back from that and I don't think Pilger comes back from his comments about The Belgrano and this taints whatever else he says in the article because you find yourself wondering what else he may be sexing up.
Report Eeternaloptimist May 27, 2015 12:05 AM BST
crybaby

You said quite clearly and explicitly that Thatcher used the word good in relation to the Khmer Rouge. You even put it in quotation marks. Put up or shut up biitch.
Report paddletoe May 27, 2015 12:14 AM BST
Talk about an own goal. You could have said almost anything about Thatcher and you would have been right but you bet the farm on one descriptive word and you could not even get it right.
Report Eeternaloptimist May 27, 2015 1:08 AM BST
Sadly true paddle. Sometimes all it takes is one word and someone with the ability to spot it amongst all the others. Laugh

For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the message was lost.
For want of a message the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.
Report cryoftruth May 27, 2015 4:11 AM BST
crybaby

You said quite clearly and explicitly that Thatcher used the word good in relation to the Khmer Rouge. You even put it in quotation marks. Put up or shut up biitch.


Oh and just so there is not doubt..
thatcher supported Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge with training and materials after the scale of the killing fields genocide was well known

That was a clear and shameful episode of British foreign policy that she and he minions lied about in the House of Commons.

It is not at all surprising that the eeternalbigot supports such a crazy evil policy. In fact is is utterly inevitable that he supports even in hindsight a policy that is supportive of mass murderers.

And of course the juxtaposition of his support on this forum for other massmurderers like Pinochet in Chile and his consistent and foul mouthed abuse of black people like, Obama, and Mandela and of course his favourite target, Diane Abbot is long and sadly recorded on this forum.

Come back when you need putting straight again bigot.

I think you have had enough of a thrashing for now.

Useless bigot!
And remarkably still wriggling in spite of his being shown up. Has he really no pride at all?
Report paddletoe May 27, 2015 9:36 AM BST
Cry, you just ended up being 100% wrong in an argument over Thatcher. That takes some doing.
Report pawras May 27, 2015 10:49 AM BST
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/06/world/asia/cambodia-khmer-rouge-timeline/

the thing is how many governments here and in other western countries have got in bed with/or helped other governments that are far less 'civilised' to varying degrees, to suit their xyz aims at that point in time?

so it isn't very honest to just purely focus in on this incident due to an ideological hatred of that prime minister
Report ab----t May 27, 2015 10:50 AM BST
Did Tony Blair 'hold his nose' when saying Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or did he, as he says " believe it at the time".

Thatcher knowingly told Parliament a lie, apparently the most heinous of political crimes.

The quoting of John Pilgers column does not make it untrue and he is not alone. John Major had to tell Parliament that Mrs Thatchers answer to a Parliamentary question was not true, it was in fact a lie.
Report ab----t May 27, 2015 10:53 AM BST
Less civilised to Pol Pot. Astonishing.
Report Eeternaloptimist May 27, 2015 10:57 AM BST
The word you used was good crybaby which is very different from more reasonable. One suggests approval and the other doesn't. It deliberately and quite wickedly changes the whole meaning of what is being conveyed. It's like saying Lenin was more reasonable than Stalin. Only a fool or knave like yourself would think that was praise of Lenin. You see this is your problem. Either you don't understand language or you do and twist it to suit your agenda. Are you thick or cunning? You see you come across as too stupid to be cunning but then so did Columbo. Have you got a dirty mac crybaby? Should I denounce you or feel sorry for you? Do you not have the intellectual capacity to understand my comments about people like Pinochet or are you seeking to mislead people about them?

Sometimes the internet can be a curse. If we could see you eating jelly on your ward flinging your own shiit at the wall it would be so much easier to draw firm conclusions.
Report pawras May 27, 2015 11:02 AM BST
Don't be a sad little pr&ck, I did put in quotes and you know that and ergo you also know what I actually meant ie generally very unpleasant etc etc , or are you just thick?

Was it actually Pol Pot they dealt with or the coalition made up of element of the Khmer Rouge ,  Prince Sihanouk & Son Sann ?

I'm not excusing anything but I do like accuracy.
Report Eeternaloptimist May 27, 2015 11:04 AM BST
We know it's untrue ab--t but you seem to have a very black and white way of looking at the world when it suits you. The question is who was misleading who? This is a democracy. Prime Minister's aren't all powerful and often don't want to know the gory details. It's quite possible that Blair was given the false information by his intelligence people including Campbell and was shielded from the truth so that he could plausibly deny that he knew it to be false. We simply don't know. If Thatcher knowingly told parliament a lie can you point us to the evidence? Major's comment proves the lie but it doesn't prove that Thatcher knew of the lie in the same way we can't be sure of Blair.

One thing we know of Thatcher fro various memoirs is that she left the fine detail of things to government ministers. She wanted them to know their brief and to be able to convince her that they knew their brief and to be able to defend their actions. No Prime Minister is an island.
Report Eeternaloptimist May 27, 2015 11:04 AM BST
That's the problem with some left wingers pawras. Pathologically dishonest.
Report ab----t May 27, 2015 11:18 AM BST
Because Thatcher was the 'instigator' along with the US of the 'coalition' proves she knowingly told a lie. That is why Ta Mok, 'The Buthcher',one of Pol Pots murdering henchman, said she along with Reagan should be on trial with him as he faces 'crimes against humanity' and Genocide.
Report ab----t May 27, 2015 11:20 AM BST
Typical right wingers. Descend into name calling.

Cannot argue with school children. I'm Out
Report Burton-Brewers May 27, 2015 11:20 AM BST
you can't believe these Johnny foreigners, no backbone like us
Report Eeternaloptimist May 27, 2015 11:31 AM BST
Because Thatcher was the 'instigator' along with the US of the 'coalition' proves she knowingly told a lie.

The fact that she was probably the one who agreed a policy in the area may be evidence you'd take into account but it isn't proof ab--t You seem to have the two mixed up. It's possible that she lied. Some would argue that it is likely but to state that she knowingly lied you'd need a very high degree of proof to not eventually see your reputation shattered. It's happened to so many of your fellow left wingers over the years. They make claims they can't substantiate, paint themselves into a corner and then storm off in a huff when it is explained to them why they have over reached themselves.

My gut feeling is that she may well have known and may have taken the view that pawras alluded to earlier that sometimes you have to deal with baastards to fight other baastards. If so she made a grave error of judgement but even that isn't the same as saying that she supported Pol Pot himself. You see if we are to believe this narrative that she was evil and a cunning manipulator then she would have done truly evil things and first amongst them would have almost certainly been to attempt to grab power undemocratically as so many other evil leaders have done. Thatcher was a democrat who believed in the democratic process and a patriotic Britain as indeed were people like Callaghan who she praised in her memoirs. You do no service to your points seeking to make her out to be things she wasn't.
Report ab----t May 27, 2015 11:33 AM BST
AG

As 16,000 wrote to Thatcher complaining of British involvement, I would think she had a pretty good idea of what was going on regards the training of Kymer Rouge when she denied British involvement in Cambodia, wouldn't you?
Report ab----t May 27, 2015 11:35 AM BST
First rule of the playground. Deny deny deny.
Report ab----t May 27, 2015 11:36 AM BST
Clever of Neil Kinnock to ask the question when he already knew the answer.
Report pawras May 27, 2015 12:12 PM BST
abt - if you dishonestly quote me don't expect a pleasant reply.
Report ab----t May 27, 2015 12:33 PM BST
Pawras

Be specific, for I have no idea 'what you really mean' if you don't say so. I am not a mind reader.
Report ab----t May 27, 2015 12:37 PM BST
As regards a dishonest misquote did you or did you not post "less 'civilised' regimes" in regards to helping governments, which as we were discussing the Kymer Rouge, you meant.
Report Angel Gabrial May 27, 2015 12:38 PM BST
ab---t

From 1983 the SAS had been training the Khmer Rouge and only in 1991 did the government admit that the SAS had been training the `resistance`

One can only assume how livid Thatcher was to have been left out of the loop, and made to look like a liar. She  was neither cold nor calculating you know!
Report Angel Gabrial May 27, 2015 12:43 PM BST
That deaf, dumb and blind woman
Sure played a mean pinballLaugh
Report pawras May 27, 2015 12:44 PM BST
abt -- I put civilised in single quotes to show I was being sarcastic in describing Khmer rouge or any other likes them as such. So you were either deliberately dishonestly quoting me or you were just dim.
Report ab----t May 27, 2015 1:04 PM BST
Single quotations equals sarcasm. You should have said. Perhaps you could post a list of symbols and their meanings so we will all know in the future 'what you mean'
Report Angel Gabrial May 27, 2015 1:06 PM BST
`You should have said` - that was sarcastic.
Report ab----t May 27, 2015 1:07 PM BST
Not so dim as to believe your a 'striver' just taking time off to refurbish your house. Must be a big house, it's taken six months so far.

Me, I have been 'medically retired' so I have plenty of time on my hands, no need to exaggerate my worth.
Report ab----t May 27, 2015 1:12 PM BST
AG

She  was neither cold nor calculating you know!

Would have said so when she allied her son Mark up with the Saudis. Mind you there are the decisions our Primes Ministers need to make in the interests of the nation that us minions musn't know about. Our maybe it was her Ministers using their own initiative.
Report Eeternaloptimist May 27, 2015 1:16 PM BST
We shouldn't have got involved with the Khmer Rouge for sure. Commies are horrible bastaards.
Report ab----t May 27, 2015 1:18 PM BST
All dictators are generally horrible. Even minor political ones who rule their governments with an 'iron fist'.
Report Eeternaloptimist May 27, 2015 1:22 PM BST
Seems to suggest you're suggesting Thatcher was a dictator ab--t. I'm sure you weren't of course.
Report sageform May 27, 2015 1:26 PM BST
Left wing politicians expect to get luxuries paid for by the state while Right wing ones expect to pay for them themselves on higher incomes as a result of lower taxes. You only have to look at the list of expense abuses to see that some left wingers are certainly selfish.
Report pawras May 27, 2015 2:01 PM BST
abt - Last year I was taking time off to get stuff on my house and also cos I just felt like it as I hadn't really taken any proper time off for years. If you must know I'm meant to be doing stuff at the moment for a client but instead I'm allowing myself to be distracted by amusing myself on here.

ps cling to your dream if you like but I've far from exaggerated anything.
Report ab----t May 27, 2015 2:40 PM BST
I don't dream about your wealth Pawras, I am sure you do plenty of that yourself. Whatever floats your boat.
Report unitedbiscuits May 27, 2015 2:51 PM BST
I don't dream about your wealth Pawras, I am sure you do plenty of that yourself. Whatever floats your boat.LaughLaughLaugh Bullseye!
Report pawras May 27, 2015 3:09 PM BST
I meant that whatever reason you dream/like to think that I've exaggerated in what I've said about myself, which I'm afraid is not true.


perhaps you think I like to knock one out while wearing something like this?
http://uk.loudmouthgolf.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/m/o/moneysportcoat.jpg


United - don't worry I do go to sleep very peacefully with a nice warm feeling that your dreams of wealth redistribution via static capital tax is exactly just that a fkn DREAM LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report ab----t May 27, 2015 3:22 PM BST
I meant that

Oh I see. You said something but meant something else. I'm catching on now. Whatever you say you mean something different, opposite maybe?
Report Eeternaloptimist May 28, 2015 12:44 AM BST
What happened to crybaby? How long does it take to look up the words good and more reasonable? Come on chump the meter is burning money.
Report spellingandgrammarchecker May 28, 2015 3:16 PM BST
crybaby, the oxford dunce...sorry...don...must be back on medication after this latest mauling.

EO knows this, paddletoe agrees, and so do I.

This means we can expect his next post on here to open with the 'alias gambit' of: 

'eeternalbigot/paddletoe/spelling and all your other aliases'  LaughLaughLaugh
Report cryoftruth May 28, 2015 6:52 PM BST
What happened to crybaby? How long does it take to look up the words good and more reasonable? Come on chump the meter is burning money.

Oh and just so there is not doubt..
thatcher supported Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge with training and materials after the scale of the killing fields genocide was well known

That was a clear and shameful episode of British foreign policy that she and he minions lied about in the House of Commons.

It is not at all surprising that the eeternalbigot supports such a crazy evil policy. In fact is is utterly inevitable that he supports even in hindsight a policy that is supportive of mass murderers.

And of course the juxtaposition of his support on this forum for other massmurderers like Pinochet in Chile and his consistent and foul mouthed abuse of black people like, Obama, and Mandela and of course his favourite target, Diane Abbot is long and sadly recorded on this forum.

Come back when you need putting straight again bigot.

I think you have had enough of a thrashing for now.

Useless bigot!
And remarkably still wriggling in spite of his being shown up. Has he really no pride at all?

Clearly not but we knew that.

He ended up in a ridiculous position trying to support the Thatch's decision to arm a mass murderer; either becasue he thinks Pol Pot was not too bad or becasue he hates being shown up as a  stupid ignorant liar or both.

It was absolutely inevitable that the eeternalbigot would not admit once again that he was quite wrong. He was certain not to say "sorry you were right" but instead yet again try and wangle an excuse for being foolish and rude.  That he would wriggle and abuse with foul language and odious remarks, and generally behave and exhibit attempts to bully and show that he is a bigot as, like so many times before, quite inevitable.

Now the reason eeternaltube acts like a stupid ignorant bullying bigot is not complex at all.

He acts like that because he is ignorant, stupid , a bully and a bigot.

Simples.

Swatted again.
Report spellingandgrammarchecker May 28, 2015 6:54 PM BST
Crybaby, you lied.

simple.
Report pawras May 28, 2015 8:20 PM BST
was it Pol Pot or an element of the Khmer Rouge within the coalition the USA and the UK helped? how much of link did Pol Pot have to this coalition?
Report Eeternaloptimist May 28, 2015 9:17 PM BST
I didn't give an opinion on the issue of what Thatcher herself may or may not have done crybaby. I pointed out your lie. That's all.
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