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Meadow X1
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Hi,

I have been following the betfair politics thread for some time.  I feel I would be correct in suggesting that most folks take a deep breath and calm down a wee bit.

I am hoping to contribute to any discussions and wish to clarify my "status".


I come from the West coast of Scotland (Ayrshire).  My father was a miner for forty five years (died 1990) and was a lifelong Labour supporter and union representative (NACODS).

I am an SNP supporter and voted yes in the recent referendum on Scottish independence.  A referendum, I hasten to add that was welcomed by virtually all folks I know for the very large democratic turnout and the contribution made to the debate by all 16 and 17 year olds that were allowed to vote for the first time.

I am not anyone's "alias" and find it bizarre that it could be suggested that folks post under multiple names.

I do wish to contribute posts to all topics but mainly Scottish ones
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Report Dotchinite April 22, 2015 2:52 PM BST
meadow. I dont disagree that its interesting to see if labour effectively get wiped out in Scotland something that must lead to independence in the next few years. The point I keep making is that however many MPS they win they will still wake up on May 8th with no influence yet the media would have us believe they are some great threat which could veto Trident or borrow 100s billions.
Report Meadow X1 April 22, 2015 3:04 PM BST
Dotchinite,

I want you to hear this from a guy that is an SNP supporter (me). The SNP will not be able to dominate any aspect of Westminster politics. They hope to contribute to Westminster politics in a positive way that benefits everyone in the UK but will always have Scottish issues as their priority.
  The SNP cannot dictate Trident policy on their own. That is a decision for the people of the UK.
  The UK press are controlled by powerful and wealthy political forces. We live in a democracy where everyone has a choice of which paper they read or television channel we watch. Long may it may continue!
Report Dotchinite April 22, 2015 3:18 PM BST
Spot on meadow but its all well and good praising our free press when they are all so appalling. Sure I can read pro Labour rubbish in the Mirror or pro Tory crap in the Sun or Telegraph but where can I read a thoughtful unbiased article from a quality journalist or read an interview with any politician (barring Farage i suppose) where they actually answer a question.

The SNP issue is dominating at the moment but next week it will be something else. The only thing that will be consistent is the biased childish and inaccurate representation of the facts by the UK media.
Report Meadow X1 April 22, 2015 3:31 PM BST
Dotchinite,

My big sister (aged 72) is a wee bit wobbly (physically but not in mind) climbing up the stairs to her third floor flat overlooking the golf course at Irvine in Ayrshire. Accordingly, after my part time work I take her up the Telegraph and her groceries every couple of days.

  I am still hoping she will vote SNP at the General Election.

Have I tried to persuade her to vote SNP--- Yes, but only for forty years.
Report Alias April 22, 2015 7:24 PM BST
snp are just playing a game of chess whereby check is another referendum and check mate is a YES vote. every single thing they say and do is geared towards that and you labour lefties need to recognise that.

The penny drops. A wee bit late mind.
Report gus April 22, 2015 7:57 PM BST
i think the hint is in the name, which, to be fair isn't true of the Labour party, the Consevative and Unionist Party, the Liberal Party, or the United Kingdom Independence Party.
Report pawras April 22, 2015 10:39 PM BST
alias - as far as I'm concerned it's been obvious the whole time
Report CJ70 April 23, 2015 10:09 AM BST
CJ,

I was at the SNP rally in Troon on Monday night (Elaine C Smith, Pat Kane, Anne Lorne Gillies, good singers, comedian, witty presenter, buffet, drinks etc) in support of the SNP candidate for Ayrshire Central Dr. Philippa Whitford. A good night was had by all in the concert hall (Flush would have loved it!)
  You probably couldn't find a candidate and venue that was further away from folks perception of the SNP. Philippa is a consultant surgeon at a local hospital who has lived in Troon for the last twenty years. Troon is very conservative and a wee bit posh in places. The tickets for the event were sold out virtually right away.

The SNP are trying to build momentum on appealing to everyone from all sections of Scottish society.  If the reception that Philippa and speakers received is an indication of the progress the SNP are making, no constituency in Scotland is safe.


While that is a fair point and always used to be the case. SNP have clearly given up on all encompassing Scottish party picking up votes from Nats plus waverers on the left & right of Scottish politics. They've moved firmly into Labour territory by rightly guessing that the message of left wing dogma will attract Labour supporters from whom there is a bigger number to pinch.

For instance what would be there for me in the SNP manifesto? I'm pro-independence and broadly centre-right, if I was Scottish I'd be horrified at the loony economics and anti-aspiration message that is coming out from the SNP. There's plenty of like minded voters in Scotland, will it matter if SNP continue to hoover up Labour votes, not in the slightest.

Would I vote SNP in 2015 to get rid of Labour, of course I would. Pretty sure Scotland is heading the way of N.Ireland with a Nat/Unionist power struggle. I don't see Labour being a part of that.
Report CJ70 April 23, 2015 10:27 AM BST
Meadow XI

" Their negative campaigning will have virtually no effect on Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The Conservatives scaremongering target audience with this approach is UKIP waverers and LibDem held constituencies in places like the South West where recent Ashcroft polling suggests the Conservatives are making progress."

I'm interested in this bit on what difference it is making in Conservative inclined seats in the south of Scotland. Surely in the two winnable seats of Berwickshire.. and Dumfriesshire.. the SNP holding Labour to ransom should surely be bolstering the Con numbers in those seats. After all there's a reason they are Con leaning in the first place.

As for Wales, it's a massive issue on the doorstep here. The devolution settlement is far less generous and outside the Nat for Nat sakes vote there's a big feeling that SNP led Labour will be bad for Wales. Die hard Labour voters don't care as per as they know the only way they are going to get in is with the SNP ticket. Outside of that and the WWC of which is starting to tire of Labour in the same way as Scotland is splitting to UKIP rather than PC.

In the North Wales Labour held seats especially there should be a Conservative boost as keep the Tories out has moved to be ruled by the SNP. There's genuine fear rather than scaremongering and rightly so.
Report Meadow X1 April 23, 2015 11:43 AM BST
I really don't feel there will be any noticeable difference in polling intention in Scotland from now until the election. If the question is asked in opinion polls of your "certainty to vote and certain to vote that way" you always find Scottish voters considerably higher percentage than others in Great Britain, can't be sure of Northern Ireland.
  The polls in Scotland have remained virtually static since October and I can't foresee that changing.
  On the topic of the three borders seats, the results are in the lap of the gods. You couldn't fit a rizla paper between the polling intentions.  I hope SNP win all three but wouldn't be in the least surprised if Conservative win all three.
  I think it's going to come down to turnout and I would guesstimate that a very high turnout may favour SNP.
Report Meadow X1 April 23, 2015 6:04 PM BST
From the Panelbase poll out today..It's GB wide but has relevance to my earlier point about Scottish voting intentions.

When asked if voters might still change their mind from the party they intend to vote for...

Con 24%
Lab 18%
LD 43%
SNP 6%
UKIP 23%

This suggests that 94% of folks intending to vote SNP say they are certain to do so.  On a wider note, the LibDems should be really worried with those figures.
Report melv April 23, 2015 8:14 PM BST
Very interesting Meadow. Awful result for the Tories. They are totally panicking its hysterical. Their latest war cry is "Vote Labour get Alex Salmon."

Read my lips Tories negative campaigning plays very badly to the electorate.

Not counting  my chickens but am I sensing the smell of the tory party in flames.
Report bongo April 23, 2015 8:46 PM BST
Is it just me, or does anyone else secretly harbour the sick hope that there is a public fight this summer between Ed 'we have fundamental differences' and King Alex.
All this bickering is getting so tiresome, I'm actually hoping that it's a dead heat and we get entertained by some tools who should be able to work as a team but turn out to be completely incompatible because they're just too proud. A bit like  these two
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kICLDnopTt0
Report Alias April 23, 2015 8:57 PM BST
alias - as far as I'm concerned it's been obvious the whole time

An excellent answer. However it's not like it's EVER been hidden.
Report breadnbutter April 23, 2015 8:58 PM BST
Why would the Conservatives  be panicking ?

Hardly put a foot wrong ,at the end of the day the choice is clear  ,vote Tory get Tory .

Vote Labour get wee eck his wee fishy friend and a load of lefty numpties you have never heard
Report pawras April 23, 2015 9:08 PM BST
Alias - you would think it had the way labour are carrying on
Report breadnbutter April 23, 2015 9:10 PM BST
Quoting a random  poll in this election is crazy ,its meaningless ,Tory voters have the most choice and its most likely showing in that random and worthless poll  ,some might be thinking UKIP some might be thinking LIB ,depends where they are and what the local issues are .

Labour voters have the prospect of ED getting ragged by a tag team of Salmond and Sturgeon ,do they really fancy five years of that ?

Better to just put him out his misery now imo Wink
Report Alias April 23, 2015 9:13 PM BST
Not just Labour pawras.
Report Meadow X1 April 26, 2015 6:52 PM BST
Breadnbutter seemed to think the last poll I gave a link to was a random pointless poll.

http://panelbase.com/media/polls/W6836w5.pdf

Here's a full Scottish poll from Panelbase published today...

Voting Intention-SNP 48% Labour 27% Conservative 16% LibDem 4% UKIP 3% ScottishGreen 2%

Have a look at the first table, particularly question 4bb.. Have you definitely made up your mind how you will vote or is there a possibility of you changing your mind?

Definitely made up my mind- SNP 89% Labour 79% Conservative 76% LibDem 54% UKIP 79% ScottishGreen 16%
Report tony57 April 26, 2015 7:10 PM BST
I still think it will not be as bad as fead for labour, I think like the ref there are a lot of shy voters, lets be honest the yes campaign were shocked they lost and by a decent amount, on the day I thought they would win..people thought better on the day..i think snp will get 25-30 at best..still a great night for them..but not as much of a disaster for labour as first thought...although im the first to admit..its only holding off the inevitable
Report Meadow X1 April 26, 2015 7:55 PM BST
Tony,

Needless to say I voted yes in the referendum but, although disappointed, I wasn't surprised at the outcome. I was hoping it would have been a little closer but I totally accept the result.
The General election is not about the referendum but the referendum debate and process has a direct result on the present Westminster voting intention. Basically the folks that voted 45% yes (SNP, ScottishGreen, Scottish Socialist party) are intending to vote for the same party.  The 55% No Unionist vote was made up of Labour, Conservative, LibDem, UKIP.  Those voting intentions are repeated for Westminster but are split into the respective "no" parties.
  These voting intentions have remained virtually static since October 2014. There are eleven days left till voting day.  Can you really see SNP or Conservative voters switching en masse at the last minute to support Labour?
Report Meadow X1 April 27, 2015 11:14 AM BST
Full Scottish Opinion Poll today by TNS

SNP 54% (+2), Lab 22% (-2), Con 13% (0), LD 6% (0), Green 2% (-1), UKIP 2% (+1)

http://www.tnsglobal.com/uk/press-release/tns-poll-momentum-is-still-with-the-snp-but-many-remain-undecided
Report melv April 27, 2015 12:18 PM BST
Like.
Report Dotchinite April 27, 2015 12:19 PM BST
Yes Great news for us all.
Report CJ70 April 27, 2015 12:34 PM BST
That TNS poll is outstanding! A clean sweep with MOE apart from the Northern Isles.
Report Meadow X1 April 27, 2015 10:48 PM BST
New poll out tonight from the Daily Record (Scottish Daily Mirror)

David Clegg (Record political writer)
New Survation poll for Daily Record
SNP 51% (+4);
LAB 26% (NC);
CON 14% (-2);
LD 5% (+1);
OTHER 4%
Seats: SNP 55; LAB 3; LD 1; Tories 0 (presumably this is by applying UNS)
Report Meadow X1 April 27, 2015 10:56 PM BST
I wonder when the Daily Record will click that their rapidly falling sales and paying off journalists have a tenuous connection to Scottish voting intention.
Report CJ70 April 27, 2015 10:59 PM BST
Wouldn't have thought Labour would still have 3 on UNS with those numbers. There's an interesting market as to who will have more seats in Scotland Lab or Con. The Tie could be an interesting misprice in that market.
Report CJ70 April 29, 2015 11:06 AM BST
New Ipsos-Mori

http://bit.ly/1QIrAw2

SNP: 54
Lab: 20
Con: 17
LD : 5

I don't agree with the summary that it will involve SNP taking all 59 seats but it's more evidence that there is no Labour clawback.
Report Meadow X1 April 29, 2015 11:27 AM BST
The last seven Scottish polls %...

SNP- 52,49,54,49,48,51,54

Lab- 24,25,22,25,27,26,20

Con- 13,18,13,17,16,14,17

Libdem- 6,4,6,5,4,5,5

9/1 SNP to take all Scottish seats with Skybet?  Hmmm.
Report Meadow X1 April 29, 2015 11:35 AM BST
I've just noticed willhill have a market "Labour to win at least one seat in Scotland".

They go 1/20 Yes, 8/1 No.

This could be of interest because some of the toughest seats for the SNP to win are the three borders seats and Orkney and Shetland where the Tories and LibDems are mostly in competition.

The Labour held Glasgow North East/ Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath will still be tough nuts to crack though.
Report Burton-Brewers April 29, 2015 11:39 AM BST
latest MORI gives SNP a clean sweep

http://order-order.com/#_@/PANy4OXSTl0FQw
Report CJ70 April 29, 2015 12:46 PM BST
There is zero chance that SNP will take the Northern Isles seat IMO. The rest? I can't see a reason why not at the moment. I'm starting to be far more confident in SNP seat numbers with only six news cycles to go.
Report Alias April 29, 2015 7:12 PM BST
No over confidence in SNP ranks. Still, the only hope I envisage for the rest would be unprecedented tactical voting. I could believe cross voting Lib/Lab and Con/Lib, but not Lab/Con. Personally, I would love to see the coupons on Danny Alexander, Douglas Alexander, Iain "bayonet the wounded" Davidson and Alistair Carmichael if they get emptied. Davidson is also a barefaced liar.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/ian-davidson-is-a-liar/
Report pawras April 30, 2015 12:28 PM BST
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11563422/SNP-will-propose-new-independence-vote-next-year-former-deputy-leader-says.html

"Jim Sillars, who was Alex Salmond's number two, says party members will insist another referendum is 'first line' of 2016 Holyrood manifesto "

when they lost one recently I'm not sure they have the mandate to go for another one any time soon.

also I wonder this headline how this play out for the labour an tory votes in England next week
Report Meadow X1 April 30, 2015 1:09 PM BST
From the same Telegraph article....

An SNP spokesperson said: "As Nicola Sturgeon has said, this election is about making Scotland stronger at Westminster with a team of SNP MPs. It is emphatically not about independence, and we are not planning for another referendum - regardless of how many seats we win next Thursday.

"Jim is entitled to his personal opinion but as the First Minister has said, something substantive would have to change before another referendum could be proposed - such as Scotland getting dragged out of Europe against our will. People would then need to vote for a party offering a referendum in a Scottish Parliament election, and would then need to vote for independence - the people of Scotland are in charge at every stage."
Report CJ70 April 30, 2015 1:12 PM BST
More grist for the mill down south. If you want to keep the Union you have to vote Conservative as Lab will cave on another referendum.

You have to think some of this stuff coming out of the Scottish media is a plan to re-elect Cameron by SNP figures.
Report Meadow X1 April 30, 2015 1:19 PM BST
No doubt whatsoever that the Murdoch press are trying to eliminate Miliband.
Report CJ70 April 30, 2015 1:24 PM BST

Apr 30, 2015 -- 7:19AM, Meadow X1 wrote:


No doubt whatsoever that the Murdoch press are trying to eliminate Miliband.


What was the reaction within the SNP about the Scottish Sun coming out for SNP? I should imagine a slight softening amongst Lab converts?

Thought that was a massive shift but it seems to have been ignored.

Report pawras April 30, 2015 1:28 PM BST
given that independence is SNP's goal above anything else we'll see what tune they're playing within 12 months if we have a Tory government of some sort.
Report Meadow X1 April 30, 2015 1:40 PM BST
CJ,

Not a surprise really. In 1992 they did the same thing (rise now and be a nation again on front page). There wouldn't be much sense for the sun to back Labour as it's competitor in the tabloids the daily record does so. The core Conservative vote buys the heavies.
  The Murdoch empire is effectively anti-Labour now and will support the party with the best chance geographically of defeating them.
Report Alias April 30, 2015 8:05 PM BST
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given that independence is SNP's goal above anything else we'll see what tune they're playing within 12 months if we have a Tory government of some sort.

That same penny keeps on dropping for pawras. What tune would you expect?
Report pawras April 30, 2015 9:13 PM BST
As I said it's been obvious to me to the start I'm just disappointed that all sides aren't open on the matter
Report Meadow X1 May 6, 2015 3:07 PM BST
From the BBC...

Here's a new poll giving an insight into the state of play in Scotland. It's from Panelbase and suggests there's been no switch back to Labour in the closing days of this long campaign. Here are the numbers:
• SNP 48% (--)
• Labour 26% (-1)
• Conservatives 14% (-2)
• Liberal Democrats 5% (+1)
• UKIP 3% (--)
• Greens 2% (--)

I don't have any details on polling dates etc but this looks almost spot on with previous polling except Conservative look one or two percent low and UKIP the same high.
Report Meadow X1 May 7, 2015 6:05 AM BST
From the Sun...

A couple of days in England suggests that whatever happens at the polls, Nicola Sturgeon has come out of with a level of nationwide credit previously unheard of in regional party leaders.

A pal of my son tells how he was at home in Glasgow the other night when his door went — and there she stood, asking it she could rely on his vote.

Can you imagine Dave or Ed doing that? Trudging up two flights of tenement stairs to beg some oik for his X?
Report Meadow X1 May 7, 2015 7:17 AM BST
Well, I was first to vote at Prestwick in the Ayrshire Central constituency.

Exit Poll...

SNP 100%  the rest 0%
Report Alias May 7, 2015 8:21 AM BST
"regional" Meadow?
Report Alias May 7, 2015 8:26 AM BST
As for exit polls, I haven't trusted ANY poll since '92. Remember that the SNP victory for the last Holyrood election was not forecast.

IF SNP win 30 or more seats it will provide a majority in Scotland. That alone would be a huge achievement.
Report cryoftruth May 7, 2015 8:15 PM BST

No doubt whatsoever that the Murdoch press are trying to eliminate Miliband.


I think the "freedom of the press" debate is opened up by these extremist paper magnates using their wealth to produce propaganda.
Report cryoftruth May 7, 2015 8:16 PM BST
They hack the mobile phones of the family of murdered children and then assume to tell us how to vote. They are low beyond belief.
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 1:08 AM BST
Any word on how the SNP are doing?
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 2:08 AM BST
Indications throughout counts in Scotland indicate SNP on target to have 50 seats plus.
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 2:18 AM BST
SNP take Kilmarnock with 26% swing from Labour.
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 2:18 AM BST
SNP now thought to be taking all seven Glasgow seats.
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 2:23 AM BST
Shadow Foreign Secretary Douglas Alexander gone.  Beaten by 20 year old girl Glasgow University student.
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 2:26 AM BST
A 27% swing to SNP! Results coming in quickly now.
Report CJ70 May 8, 2015 2:29 AM BST
How many gins are you in, Meadow? Must be the best night you've ever had politically. Congrats.
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 2:31 AM BST
CJ,

Alcohol free as flying out at 7am!  Results coming in rapidly now, SNP winning every seat.  What was the breakdown of the Ceridigion result?
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 2:32 AM BST
SNP take Glenrothes with 35% swing.
Report CJ70 May 8, 2015 2:33 AM BST
Ahh, I'm throwing beer back like it's 1992. Not sure about Ceredigion will look tomorrow when the excitement finishes.
Report paddletoe May 8, 2015 2:33 AM BST
Do you think it could be a clean sweep Meadow. How many seats might they not win?
Report CJ70 May 8, 2015 2:33 AM BST
It's going to be every seat apart from Northern Isles, isn't it?
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 2:38 AM BST
Edinburgh South, Orkney and Shetland and Dumfriesshire Clydesdale and Tweedale the sticky ones.
Report paddletoe May 8, 2015 2:43 AM BST
Need to them lose 3 for me bet but if it loses I would like to lose in style and see them win them all.
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 2:49 AM BST
LibDem minister Jo Swinson gone now
Report wildmanfromborneo May 8, 2015 2:53 AM BST
Staggering figures in Scotland.

Its only a matter of time before Scotland leave the union,its now inevitable.
Report wildmanfromborneo May 8, 2015 2:53 AM BST
Staggering figures in Scotland.

Its only a matter of time before Scotland leave the union,its now inevitable.
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 2:54 AM BST
Gordon Brown's old constituency of Kircaldy gone now on a 35% swing.
Report Broomwagon May 8, 2015 2:55 AM BST
Tweedale would be a Epic. I am Blown away by these swings.
Report paddletoe May 8, 2015 2:56 AM BST
These results are off the scales.
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 3:11 AM BST
JIM MURPHY GONE!!!!!
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 3:26 AM BST
Glasgow seats coming in now. Shadow Secretary of State Margaret Curran gone in Glasgow East on a 31% swing. Glasgow North taken on a 29% swing.
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 3:38 AM BST
SNP have won 31/31 declared so far.
Report paddletoe May 8, 2015 3:40 AM BST
34/34

Might as well count it down
Report paddletoe May 8, 2015 3:45 AM BST
Clean sweep avoided with Orkney forecast to be held by lib dems.
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 3:49 AM BST
New Record swing. Glasgow North East taken on a 39% swing.
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 3:55 AM BST
37/37
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 3:57 AM BST
Disaster for SNP!!!! LibDem hold Orkney and Shetland.
Report paddletoe May 8, 2015 4:09 AM BST
Any danger of them losing another two of the remaining seats?
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 4:11 AM BST
Possibly but it's now 41/42
Report paddletoe May 8, 2015 4:12 AM BST
44/45 now
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 4:27 AM BST
Labour hold Edinburgh South
Report paddletoe May 8, 2015 4:30 AM BST
Any more seats they have much of a chance of losing?
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 4:33 AM BST
Yes, Dumfriesshire to the Tories, Berwickshire in a 3 way fight, Dumfries and Galloway.
Report paddletoe May 8, 2015 4:35 AM BST
Thanks.
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 4:38 AM BST
48/50
Report CJ70 May 8, 2015 4:46 AM BST
I'm surprised that the SNP got so close in N.Isles.

Certainly didn't envisage less than a -1k majority there. Probably more to do with the Lib Dem collapse than the SNP gain I'd say?
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 4:49 AM BST
I think if the SNP had a better candidate there that could have been in the net too.

50/52  7 seats to go.
Report northanlite May 8, 2015 4:53 AM BST
i guessed 47 for snp before the vote and i think i will be close but low by a couple.
the Aberdeen seats will be interesting with both being labour seats with strong but lower majority than lost seats in other places but with less nationalist feeling in the city.
I think they could come down to very small margins between snp & labour. if snp win both it really is a rout.
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 4:56 AM BST
Tories hold Dumfriesshire
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 4:58 AM BST
Recount in Berwickshire
Report Meadow X1 May 8, 2015 4:59 AM BST
SNP have taken all Aberdeen seats
Report northanlite May 8, 2015 5:02 AM BST

May 7, 2015 -- 10:59PM, Meadow X1 wrote:


SNP have taken all Aberdeen seats


really? north & south?

Report northanlite May 8, 2015 5:05 AM BST
i thought labour might hold aberdeen north. its been labour since the 1930's
Report Broomwagon May 8, 2015 5:15 AM BST
D+G SNP gain. Recount in Berwickshire Excited.
Report northanlite May 8, 2015 5:18 AM BST
you can only wonder about how bitter the recriminations will be in the Scottish labour party.
it will be very messy & unpleasant.
Report DFCIRONMAN May 8, 2015 5:39 AM BST
The fault lies with the leadership of the LABOUR PARTY. They angered many inn Scotland with their attitude re just going to ignore the SNP in Westminster. In effect ignoring Scottish voters. Madness the speeches made by ED M and BALLS!

The Scottish Labour party had no chance after LABOUR compounding the TORY scaremongering re the SNP.
Report northanlite May 8, 2015 5:52 AM BST

May 7, 2015 -- 11:39PM, DFCIRONMAN wrote:


The fault lies with the leadership of the LABOUR PARTY. They angered many inn Scotland with their attitude re just going to ignore the SNP in Westminster. In effect ignoring Scottish voters. Madness the speeches made by ED M and BALLS!The Scottish Labour party had no chance after LABOUR compounding the TORY scaremongering re the SNP.


the scaremongering during the scots ref has been a massive issue. so many no voters were sickened by it and many have voted SNP.
Everyone up here witnessed it and won't forget it. it was a disgusting campaign built on fear and lies and in the end threats.
if you were not here you won't get it but ask yourself why after having had a "no" vote the Scots have now voted in such huge numbers for the SNP.
We saw the establishment machine crank up to full gear and get their way but once it rumbled back down south it left nothing but broken promises and frustration behind.
we have seen the result of that tonight.

Report DFCIRONMAN May 8, 2015 12:12 PM BST
Well put!

The attack on Nicola S by ED M and BALLS re French Embassy "story" ( no hard evidence for their statements), as also "disgusting".....and this combined with the stance ED M took on the SNP when they would hold virtually all the seats in Scotland was another nail in coffin of LABOUR PARTY in Scotland.

The smug TORIES in this 1st past post system of non-democratic allocation of seats now will reek havoc IMO re EUROPE, on STOCK EXCHANGE and PROPERTY MARKET  re PENSION changes . STRIKES more likely in public services are very very likely. The scare mongering worked yesterday .....but in HISTORY the TORY party are likely to be remembered for their contempt of Scottish voters and probably the demise of current system in Westminster.
Report DFCIRONMAN May 8, 2015 12:17 PM BST
ED M says "Britain needs a strong LABOUR PARTY".............but UK needs a strong system of PR.....not LABOUR keeping on with the TORIES and this outdated system of electing MPs in Westminster.
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