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Report PierreLaRogue January 25, 2015 2:57 PM GMT
So my perfectly reasonable replies are being censored? sums up this forum, I guess this is a fascist forum just for facists, any view that does not coincide with theirs is deleted, you couldn't make it up. I know some will think its a good thing that I am being censored, but I'm happy about it, it demonstrates exactly what ive been saying all along.

This is not a free forum to exchange views its a forum for those with a certain view of the world.
Report pawras January 25, 2015 3:14 PM GMT
given all the nonsense you come out with is a marxist jew something of an oxymoron?
Report cheese January 25, 2015 5:48 PM GMT
What the about the grooming and abus of young white girls ? Oh yeah I forgot the fact all the perps are asian muslim men is PURELY coincidence, plus nothing can be read into the fact you don't have gangs of white christian men trawling the streets looking for young asian girls to abuse.

There are large numbers of paedophiles in this country. Most are white. Some are muslims.

If you had some data that showed there was a disproportionate number of muslim paedophiles you would have an argument
You don't.

Do you have anything to offer than cherry-picking examples of bad behaviour within a specific and numerous community?
Because if you don't then your argument is pretty hollow. I'm sure you could demonize everybody from dog owners to
toddlers if you simply selectively choose information about those groups which make them look bad.
Report pawras January 25, 2015 6:31 PM GMT
I see , so as previously you will blindly ignore the fact that all those grooming and abuse cases were committed by asian muslim men.

There's a lot more Christians than muslims but none of them have gone and chopped some imans head off , yet.
Report pawras January 25, 2015 6:33 PM GMT
Plus the fact they were targeting white teenage girls is another fact to be ignored.
Report cheese January 25, 2015 6:54 PM GMT
I see , so as previously you will blindly ignore the fact that all those grooming and abuse cases were committed by asian muslim men.

There's a lot more Christians than muslims but none of them have gone and chopped some imans head off , yet.


Not all grooming and abuse cases are committed by Muslim men. The fact that some Muslims are paedophiles does not mean all paedophiles
are muslm. This is obvious.

Some DJ's have committed sexual crimes against children judging by the news. I don't think we should lock up all the radio preseters.

Christians do not generally chop people's heads off, but we do invade muslims countries are burn people to death, including many children,
with air strikes. Some are beheaded as a by-product of that. I don't see anything particulary superior about our cultural practices. There's
a lot of scum in every society and ethnicity.

Plus the fact they were targeting white teenage girls is another fact to be ignored.

It is a crime. Any one who hurts a child should be sent ro prison. I don't think one particular ethnicity of children is more deserving of
protection than another.
Report cheese January 25, 2015 6:55 PM GMT
given all the nonsense you come out with is a marxist jew something of an oxymoron?

Marx was from a Jewish family.
Report pawras January 25, 2015 7:35 PM GMT
I’m not saying all grooming and abuse cases are committed by muslim men or that are all muslim men are nonces, or that any group of victims deserve more protection than another (where did you get that from????)
But can you give another example where the perps are targeting another racial/cultural group for grooming and abuse? It’s hardly an isolated case give the sheer scale of what’s been going on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_sex_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_sex_grooming_case
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/live-middlesbrough-grooming-trial-trio-6706250
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_sex_gang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang

Eg. Do you have groups of white Christian men or say Chinese guys or Jewish guys targeting young girls for grooming and abuse in racial/cultural group different to their own? Can you quote any cases?
The answer is NO.

Oh yeah I forgot it's absolutely sheer coincidence..........



I talking specifically about Muslim guys deliberately targeting and hacking off the heads of non Muslims in this country, I have yet to any non muslims do that.  It’s like you’re excusing it due to foreign policy.
Report pawras January 25, 2015 7:41 PM GMT
What I’m highlighting is an underlying cultural attitude problem where by those of a different religion are ‘kuffar’ and fundamentally lesser people.
Report Eeternaloptimist January 25, 2015 7:42 PM GMT
I see you're as slippery as ever cheese. Once again I'll tell you what the issue is and you can pop off for a while and then come back on with that same shiit again:

The paedophillia and the shameful attitudes of many muslims towards women and white teenagers are a side issue. The issue remains what our local councils, social services and law enforcement did for years which was bury the crimes and indeed evidence in the name of social cohesion and multiculturalism.

Get your head out of your ar5e man and don't be so dishonest.
Report pawras January 25, 2015 7:45 PM GMT
I think you'll find that local councils related to all the links I posted were all labour councils.....
Report cheese January 25, 2015 7:58 PM GMT
The issue remains what our local councils, social services and law enforcement did for years which was bury the crimes and indeed evidence in the name of social cohesion and multiculturalism.

Local councils, social services and law enforcement buried cases of paedophilia in many other cases where social cohesion and multiculturalism were not a factor.
Report cheese January 25, 2015 7:59 PM GMT
What I’m highlighting is an underlying cultural attitude problem where by those of a different religion are ‘kuffar’ and fundamentally lesser people.

How do you think Muslims or other ethnica minorities would view your attitudes?
Report pawras January 25, 2015 8:06 PM GMT
Where in the Christian religion or western democratic society is it a fundamental tenet that those of a different culture are ‘kuffar’ /infidel and all the negative connotations with it?
Report cheese January 25, 2015 8:52 PM GMT
Where in the Christian religion or western democratic society is it a fundamental tenet that those of a different culture are ‘kuffar’ /infidel and all the negative connotations with it?

The word infidel is Christian in origin. You will find plenty of nutcases in Christian churches, moderate and mainstream, who believe that non-christians are an inferior species. They are a minority, but they exist. There are extreme sects on the fringes which believe this monolithically.

Similarly by implication your implying that all Muslims think the same way about this issue, which is ridiculous given that they agree with each other on virtually nothing from sect to sect and place to place. Most Muslims I have met obviously did not subscribe to notions of cultural superiority.
Report pawras January 25, 2015 10:05 PM GMT
Infidel is of French origin not specifically Christian. Where as kuffar/kafir is specifically muslim.
I never said that all Muslims think the same way on the issue, but where things differ is that yeah you might get a minority of Christians that believe mad stuff but unlike the Koran the Bible has no mandate about killing no believers nor any verses teaching that others are lesser people, nor does it preach inequality.

Would you say Christianity or Islam has the most extremists acting on their extremist bullsh&t views?
Would you rather live in a Christian western democracy or an Islamist regime?
Which do you view as the better society?
Do Islamic countries tolerate other religions, would I be allowed to go and build a church in one of those countries?
Report cheese January 26, 2015 2:08 AM GMT
I never said that all Muslims think the same way on the issue, but where things differ is that yeah you might get a minority of Christians that believe mad stuff but unlike the Koran the Bible has no mandate about killing no believers nor any verses teaching that others are lesser people, nor does it preach inequality.


People have used the bible to make perverse arguments, particulary amongst evangelicals in the US. Most don't. As most Muslims I've discussed these issues with don't either.


Would you say Christianity or Islam has the most extremists acting on their extremist bullsh&t views?


Difficult to say. If you are a Christian extremist you can sign up to a drone programme and bomb wedding parties
in Afghanistan or somewhere. That's socially acceptable. If you are a Muslim extremist you have to kill people on
the streets or make an improvized explosive. That's not socially acceptable.

You can go out to Afghanistan and hide amongst a lot of soldiers who probably are there for the right reasons and
kill lots of Muslims. In the UK if you are Muslim. you have to go and murder Christians on the street if you hate
them. Neo-fascists, particulary in the US, do this a lot. I think it happens less with the British army but its
difficult to say.

My strong intuition is that anybody holding a gun in any context is a c*** the world be better off without, be they
Muslim, Christian, atheist or agnostic.

Would you rather live in a Christian western democracy or an Islamist regime?

Our society isn't remotely Christian in any real sense. You probably have to go back to De Valera's Ireland to find
a Taleban-style Christian democracy. And yes, that was pretty ugly-you may have noticed that horrible story about
babies dumped in a septic tank near a Catholic home for unwed mothers.

Some adjustments have to be made for socio-economics. Theocracies tend to develop in countries where liberal democracy
isn't practical because of a lack of resources, so some authoritarian government is necessary just to hold things together.
This explains why, say, Somalia turned to theocracy: they were sick of banditry and chaos.

Do Islamic countries tolerate other religions, would I be allowed to go and build a church in one of those countries?


Mostly you would be, yes. Historically Muslims haven't been particulary intolerant. There are exceptions of course, and we tend
to hear about them disproportionately.

I'm guessing here but I would imagine you aren't a churchgoer or a Christian in any actual meaningful sense.
Report pawras January 26, 2015 9:20 AM GMT
Posting at 2:00am??? lol

By saying “People have used the bible to make perverse arguments….” you basically avoided the statement that unlike the Koran the Bible has no mandate about killing non believers nor any verses teaching that others are lesser people, nor does it preach inequality.
So as the Koran actually directly has such bullsh&t in there which they take as the word of God, rather than someone just interpreting things to suit themselves , I feel you are far more likely to have Muslims saying they are doing nonsense in the name of their bullsh&t book/religion


Saying Christians extremist ‘could’ be going to Afghanistan etc to kill people is a pretty weak attempt to muddy the waters, the point is you don’t have anything like the number Christians going out and killing people and saying it’s in the name of Christianity as you do Islam.
Muslims in the UK don’t have to go indiscriminately killing people in the streets if they hate Christians, they can get themselves on a flight and join Isis or Boko Haram. But then they wouldn’t get their Jihadist Seekers Allowance then would they.
Do you get examples of Christians in the UK going murdering any muslim they can find as some sort of revenge attack for say the atrocities committed against Christians in Egypt? Egypt where Christians are systematically targeted? Do you see that happening in a western democracy??? Er NO !

Plus are you saying it’s a policy of western armies to deliberately go and kill civilians indiscriminately?
There's been some nice of examples of that re villages in Nigeria thanks to Boko Haram.

Would you rather live in a Christian western democracy or an Islamist regime?
So you don’t go off a tangent and talk historically, let me rephrase that to “a vaguely Christian western democracy as we have now in the west or any of the Islamist regimes that exist now?

“Theocracies tend to develop in countries where liberal democracy isn't practical because of a lack of resources”
Well that’s utter nonsense , resources have nothing to do with it.


>Do Islamic countries tolerate other religions, would I be allowed to go and build a church in one of >those countries?
>Mostly you would be, yes. Historically Muslims haven't been particulary intolerant. There are >exceptions of course, and we tend to hear about them disproportionately.

Well that’s utter sh&te , we are talking about the world now, so are you saying that if you go out to Pakistan , Saudi Arabia , Iran , Iraq, Egypt  etc etc you’d have no problems either from the government or non Christians,building a church??? What a joke.
I spent a couple of years working very closely , day after day, with a (supposedly moderate) Muslim guy and we ended up having a lot of conversations about a lot of this type of stuff and I got to know some of his friends and family, was quite an insight for me.
I actually asked him straight out about us going over to Pakistan and building churches like they build their mosques here, he had a good laugh at that one shall we say.

You completely avoided - Which do you view as the better society?  A current western one or a current Islamist one?

Although I was very much raised as such, I’m not practicing Christian, although the Mrs is very into all that.

You have your views and seem to try and make excuses for Islamic ideology, but I see the ideology as nothing but a cancer in Europe.
Report pawras January 26, 2015 10:50 AM GMT
Is there a place in western democracies for those who wish to live under and Islamist regime? Shouldn't they just basically fk off???
Report grappler January 26, 2015 11:09 PM GMT
cheesy has a long and ignoble record of being disingenuous. he was an apologist for the ussr, now for the religion of peace. he uses the idiotic 'moral equivalent' non-argument that the islamo-loons do bad things, but you have to understand their reasons for doing so; the west does bad things, and all is not lovely in its garden. that is tru(ish) but he would not respond to a criticism of (say) christianity by saying 'thats nothing, look what this mob get up to'. he ignores the great slaughter taking place in  algeria, nigeria, sudan, and almost every islamic state. i choose these examples because there is no way even a fool like him can imply that it is in any way influenced by a reaction to western interference.

he will not countenance the reality of islamic intolerance and brutality. his line that 'bombing wedding parties is 'socially acceptable' is grotesque. the killing in afghanistan is almost totally taleban inspired. they slaughter buses full of girls. deliberately. the u.s. does not. whose side are you on. the taleban make no bones about it. they kill everyone who is not islamic enough. western intervention in afghanistan has been a disaster for us because of the death of troops and aid workers, but the afghans are desperate to keep us there, knowing the fate that awaits them at the hands of the islamo-loons. whether you like to admit it or not, the u.s. tries to prevent the taleban killing afghans. the taleban celebrate every atrocity.spot the difference?

hard for an resentful kn0bhead like you to accept, but the western powers have tried to do the right thing in afghanistan, but the naive politicos that have spend our billions(and lives of others) could not comprehend what it was that they would be confronted with. they cannot understand why people are not like they are; sensible, non-violent, liberal, democratic(ish).
they cannot conceive that the followers of the religion of love are programmed to hate everything they consider rational, humane and decent.

atheistic commentators often say' all religion is mad, and all have extremists'. but they are being dishonest. they are all irrational, but only one commits worldwide murder on a horrible scale. the elephant is so enormous that the room has been demolished, but the truth-denying politicians and self-censoring press will do nothing until it has squashed them all.
Report Michael Simeon January 27, 2015 2:49 AM GMT
The US is widely hated in the arab world because it consistently opposed democratic regimes
in favour of autocrats and theocracies in the Muslim world, which it could more easily influence.

You are obviously too ****g stupid  to pick up a history book or educate yourself about this issue
over and above what you see on thetelly and/or crap you read in right-wing tabloids.
Report Burton-Brewers January 27, 2015 8:08 AM GMT
mmmmm now who is this? Confused
Report pawras January 27, 2015 9:04 AM GMT
at one point were we talking about why the arab world hates the USA?
Report cheese January 27, 2015 12:05 PM GMT
he will not countenance the reality of islamic intolerance and brutality. his line that 'bombing wedding parties is 'socially acceptable' is grotesque. the killing in afghanistan is almost totally taleban inspired. they slaughter buses full of girls. deliberately. the u.s. does not. whose side are you on. the taleban make no bones about it

I am on nobody's "side". I wonder what side you are on. You nationalists share many characteristics with the Taleban, slavish adherence to dogma, a complete lack of intellectual curiousity, a limitless willingness to ignore your own factions atrocities or wish them away whilst bleating endlessly about the atrocities of your enemy. I think you are a different side of the same coin.
Report mobo January 27, 2015 9:00 PM GMT
cheese would be the first to be locked up by the people he seeks to defend they do not encourage free speech
Report mobo January 27, 2015 10:33 PM GMT
what you don't understand is that free expression is closed down anywhere Islamic rule predominates
even so called mainstream or even moderate islam operates

you need to learn that

and I am a fkn socialist - they really hate socialist ideas - you need to wake up to that cheese
Report mobo January 27, 2015 10:34 PM GMT
this is how the nazis operated and no good people stood up to them
instead they sought the capitalist backed approach and destroyed any radical opposition to the nazis

yippee  - am I the first to play the godwin's law card!!!!
Report grappler January 27, 2015 10:47 PM GMT
'The US is widely hated in the arab world because it consistently opposed democratic regimes in favour of autocrats and theocracies in the Muslim world, which it could more easily influence'
 
i like this. there are no democratic regimes in the middle east, never have been, except the one everyone hates, and i doubt the latest crew-member on this ship of fools is a fan of israel.

fyi brainbox, the u.s. overthrew one autocrat in hussein(why we call the evil bugger by his first name, i dunno) and has consistently opposed the theocracy in iran that hangs pregnant women. in public.

aside from that, you are bang on.
Report cheese January 28, 2015 10:25 AM GMT
fyi brainbox, the u.s. overthrew one autocrat in hussein(why we call the evil bugger by his first name, i dunno) and has consistently opposed the theocracy in iran that hangs pregnant women

This is pointless: it is obvious your information comes from television and hack tabloid journalists.

Even if we are to ignore the long history of the Americans supporting tyrannies such as in Egypt and Saudi Arabia (and there are many other examples), your own examples are obvious bullshit.

The Americans backed Saddam Hussein for many years until he turned on them over Kuwait. It isn't opposing Iran anymore, it is happily working with it to destroy ISIS, a organization like the Taleban which it had a substantial hand in funding and developing.
Report cheese January 28, 2015 10:26 AM GMT
and I am a fkn socialist - they really hate socialist ideas - you need to wake up to that cheese

Google "Islamic socialism".
Report Dr Crippen January 28, 2015 1:25 PM GMT
Where is Angel Gabrial?

I haven't seen him post for quite a while now.
He won't be on holiday because he can't afford to go away.
Report Sunset Cristo January 31, 2015 1:36 PM GMT
for once i agree with AG on something,there no such thing as a moderate muslim
Report Sunset Cristo January 31, 2015 1:37 PM GMT
what with all the money he wins on here,of course he's on holiday
Report Sunset Cristo January 31, 2015 1:40 PM GMT
mobo is wrong about islamic socialism cheese,but spot on with his first assertion. freedom and islam don't mix
Report pawras February 3, 2015 10:56 AM GMT
I don't know why we don't do that, plonk them and their follwers somewhere in the outer hebrides

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/11384850/Norway-court-rules-government-can-exile-hate-preacher-to-remote-village.html
Report paddletoe February 3, 2015 12:56 PM GMT
With some people every debate finds a way back to blaming jews.
Report Eeternaloptimist February 3, 2015 1:02 PM GMT
I'll happily discuss it with you Pepe. Who are the Marxist Jews to who you refer and how do they socially engineer Europe?
Report PierreLaRogue February 3, 2015 1:06 PM GMT
Id first like to debate why my posts were deleted in the first place. Explain this for me?
Report Eeternaloptimist February 3, 2015 1:11 PM GMT
How would I know? I'd guess either somebody reported you or a moderator saw what you had written and thought it contravened the rules. Either way that is irrelevant now. You've got what you wanted. Someone to discuss your theory about Marxist Jews and social engineering. The floor is yours.
Report PierreLaRogue February 3, 2015 1:21 PM GMT
No, you explain to me why my posts were deleted, they did not contravene any rule whatsoever and were not offensive. It seems if you swap out the word "muslim" with the word "jew" then your post will be instantly deleted, now why is this?
Report spellingandgrammarchecker February 3, 2015 1:27 PM GMT
PierreLaRogue   
03 Feb 15 13:21 
No, you explain to me why my posts were deleted.


You could always try emailing the moderators and asking them, instead of asking EeternalOptimist, who has already told you that he doesn't know. 

Or are you stuck for an answer to his question?
Report PierreLaRogue February 3, 2015 1:32 PM GMT
Oh another account? how many do you have? are you stuck?
Report spellingandgrammarchecker February 3, 2015 1:41 PM GMT
awww...diddums
Report Dr Crippen February 3, 2015 1:53 PM GMT
Muslims hate the Jews, so why would the Jews want to import Muslims into Europe?
Report pawras February 3, 2015 1:57 PM GMT
I agree there's a social engineering project going on but I'd like to see some shred of evidence re the marxist jew statement



what did she think it was going to be like being with one of those fks?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11386569/Muslim-convert-stabs-controlling-boyfriend-to-death-in-row-about-Western-lifestyle.html
Report PierreLaRogue February 3, 2015 2:38 PM GMT
Also i asked for an alternative culprit, all these european countries seem to have the same agenda and same immigration policies in general, so if there is an alternative explanation then someone explain? anyone? and next joining Europe will be Turkey  Crazy but yeah im the crazy one with the tinfoil hat, right.
Report PierreLaRogue February 3, 2015 2:49 PM GMT
Turkey Population 75 million.

Islam is the largest religion of Turkey with 99.8% of the population being registered as Muslim.


David Cameron has said that he still “very much supports” Turkey joining the European Union.


So like i said the case is clear, like most small minded people you are all focusing on the Muslims but not on the causes of why they are here in the fist place and that is the social engineers of Europe.
Report pawras February 3, 2015 2:52 PM GMT
you need to present some evidence as to your theories on who is responsible for what
saying ,”it just is because that's what my opinion is” , isn’t any form of argument
Report Dr Crippen February 3, 2015 2:54 PM GMT
Why would the Jews want to turn Europe into a no-go zone for themselves?
It would be themselves they were destroying.

Nevertheless something is going on.
Someone must have a vested interest in flushing Europe down the drain because it is clear that is the only place they are going.
And the UK with it if we don't come to our senses quickly.
Report Eeternaloptimist February 3, 2015 2:59 PM GMT
Now now Pepe. Before you descend into sobs again following by wild conspiracy theories you really need to have the stones to back up your assertions. Dropping a turd bomb on the forum and asking people to explain why it is a turd isn't cricket old boy.
Report pawras February 3, 2015 3:19 PM GMT
conspiracy theory websites run by the likes of you don't count by the way
Report cheese February 3, 2015 3:24 PM GMT
Before you descend into sobs again following by wild conspiracy theories you really need to have the stones to back up your assertions


His conspiracy theories are different than your bull**** only in that he conjured them up himself rather than cribbed them out of the Mail.

Without highly selective demonization you have absolutely nothing to your islamophobic drivel except appeal to the dumb tribal mentality in
evidence here. I have more chance of being killed by bees than muslim terrorists.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. February 3, 2015 3:39 PM GMT
Our left wing loons seem to have gone full circle and are now supporting Hitlers ideology, by way of persecuting Jewish people and appeasing the Ghazis whose ideology is very similar to Adolph,luckily the Daily Mail have not made the same mistake.   

Left wing loons are you really saying "Hitler was right"after all these years of accusing others of being Nazis?
Report A.H HUNTER esq. February 3, 2015 3:43 PM GMT
PierreLaRogue 03 Feb 15 14:27 Joined: 31 Aug 07 | Topic/replies: 1,247 | Blogger: PierreLaRogue's blog
So Crippen you can say that Muslims hate the Jews without fear of being persecuted, lets see if i can something similar without it getting deleted, Jews hate all non-Jews, they regularly refer to them as goyim (cattle) and shiskas (****s) in their own language which is full of racist terms which obviously they have created themselves.


  The Furher used the same language as this. The left have now reverted to National socialism?
Report Eeternaloptimist February 3, 2015 4:04 PM GMT
If you aren't able to back up your comments then why make them Pepe? Come back when you can.
Report PierreLaRogue February 3, 2015 4:10 PM GMT
Do i need to write out what she said in that video for you? you watched it didn't you, now you are stumped Crazy poor boy.
Report Eeternaloptimist February 3, 2015 4:27 PM GMT
Yes yes Pepe and prominent Muslim Anjem Choudary would like Shariah Law in this country. If that is the limit of your evidence it doesn't amount to a pimple on an elephants arse. Oooh shock horror someone advocates multiculturalism. Well not actually a shock to anybody who hasn't been asleep for the last 20 years.
Report mobo February 3, 2015 5:35 PM GMT
yes the jews will out breed us   we are doomed

or might it be another different breed of men who wear dresses
Report mobo February 3, 2015 5:38 PM GMT
no such thing as moderate islam for starters
Report mobo February 3, 2015 5:41 PM GMT
immigrants in general and muslims in particular are slowly taking over the inner cities

tidied up into nice tight little ghettos, making sure who they all have to vote for, it will soon be a powerful little lobby introducing their own by laws etc etc

you heard it here first
Report Eeternaloptimist February 3, 2015 6:34 PM GMT
No Pepe what is very very weak is you seeking to conflate immigration with some pan European Jewish conspiracy and your evidence for this is this woman's comments. The gap between your rhetoric and evidence is laughable.
Report cheese February 4, 2015 1:35 AM GMT
immigrants in general and muslims in particular are slowly taking over the inner cities

You do know this bull**** is repeated every few decades about whatever immigrants in whatever
country happen to be moving in at the time? It doesn't happen. Extrapolating on the basis of an
exponential trend is faulty logic for very obvious reaons-why am I even writing that, I might
as well read Chaucer to a pony.

Immigrants move in. They get richer, move out of the ghetto, become assimilated, and then start whining
about the next generation of immigrants (re: racist paddies who seem to have forgotten they were
the right's fashionable hate group a few decades back).
Report A.H HUNTER esq. February 4, 2015 8:59 AM GMT
We did not allow the Nazis to infiltrate and take over towns and cities , we fought them and their barbaric ideology.

  Schools in Birmingham and child protection in Rotherham were never under the control of Adolph?
Report pawras February 4, 2015 9:01 AM GMT
the difference is the sheer size of the influx of immigrants over the last 15 years compared to previous decades

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/latest-immigration-statistics
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28964323

morons
Report Eeternaloptimist February 4, 2015 10:05 AM GMT
Hey cheese. After you've read Chaucer to that pony do you also tell it that the words debt and deficit are interchangeable and that nobody saw the crash coming?
Report Eeternaloptimist February 4, 2015 10:06 AM GMT
Indeed pawras. Enoch said in 68 that we have a proud record of assimilating smaller groups over many centuries. What has happened over the last few decades is unprecedented. Throw in the rise of muslim fundamentalism and you have a heady brew.
Report cheese February 4, 2015 10:41 AM GMT
We did not allow the Nazis to infiltrate and take over towns and cities , we fought them and their barbaric ideology.

Er yes we did, your still here. Maybe we should lock you all up under anti-terror legislation, you sound like Brevik waiting
to happen to me.
Report Eeternaloptimist February 4, 2015 11:25 AM GMT
Fortunately apart from pointing and laughing nobody really pays any attention to you do they cheese? Probably because you are a balloon.
Report PierreLaRogue February 4, 2015 12:59 PM GMT
So nearly every single one of my posts deleted yet again, total censorship on what grounds?
Report PierreLaRogue February 4, 2015 1:12 PM GMT
To summarize, the focus should not be on Mulsims but on the social engineers that engineered and are continuing to engineer the populations of europe, these being marxist jews.

Last year the SD took in 86,700 new immigrants, a huge number for a country with such a small population. On a per capita basis, Sweden took in three times the legal immigrants that America took in last year!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA7Ymki71fM

http://conservative-headlines.com/2014/12/swedish-government-collapses-over-mass-immigration-new-election-to-be-held/
Report Eeternaloptimist February 4, 2015 1:39 PM GMT
I actually agree with you Pepe. I think they should leave your swivel eyed anti semitic rants up so we can all laugh at you. To summarise you have put up a video clip of one individual's views to support your barking mad claim that there is a Europe wide programme developed and implemented by a Jewish cabal. You have no evidence. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

You sir are a complete joke.
Report PierreLaRogue February 4, 2015 1:58 PM GMT
Yeah yeah you say that when you are the one probably reporting them, it seems strange how you can get away with saying anything you like just as anyone on here can get away with saying anything they like about Muslims but soon as Jew is mention the post is deleted.

Anyway im taking this further, no Forum should be permitted to go on unchecked and in such a biased fashion, if i cannot be permitted my freedom of speech then i will do what it takes to make others aware of this biased forum and shut it down.
Report Burton-Brewers February 4, 2015 2:04 PM GMT
LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Eeternaloptimist February 4, 2015 2:59 PM GMT
Pepe the crusader for justice. Laugh

Oops. I said crusader. Pepe will be reporting me to the Rozzers for Islamophobia. Shocked
Report Eeternaloptimist February 4, 2015 3:01 PM GMT
Back on the topic Pepe. So after waving your arms around the upshot of your post is you don't have any futher evidence for this europe wide Jewish conspiracy which has controlled the political process?

You do realise you have been knocked out of the ring at this stage and shiit is easing down your leg don't you? Laugh
Report PierreLaRogue February 4, 2015 3:30 PM GMT
Thats all your lot can do when they cant win a debate, go round screaming "Oy Vey, Oy Vey" and claiming "anti-semitism" its beyond pathetic.
Report Eeternaloptimist February 4, 2015 3:35 PM GMT
I've already told you Pepe. I think you're a complete bellend and the best way of exposing you is ridicule and that can only happen if your posts stay up.

How would you describe someone who asserts that European politics is controlled by a cabal of Jews and whose only evidence is some minor figure in Sweden espousing multiculturalism?

I want you to come back with something more because my hand is getting sore slapping you like this and I really do want you to have some encouragement to keep going.
Report Eeternaloptimist February 4, 2015 3:39 PM GMT
Internet warriors. Laugh
Report Eeternaloptimist February 4, 2015 3:46 PM GMT
I'm here to laugh at imaginary hard men like you. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

See Pepe. I laugh. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Eeternaloptimist February 4, 2015 4:00 PM GMT
Don't you worry about me Pepe. Just concentrate on getting ready to come out for the next round for some more. Wink
Report Eeternaloptimist February 4, 2015 5:05 PM GMT
Stop whining.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. February 4, 2015 5:41 PM GMT
Pierre we need to deal with you Ghazis in the same way we dealt with the Nazis and why people like cheesy and cryofbollox are now supporting a very similar ideology to Hitlers is astounding,but be honest like all left wingers the people they really dont like are the hard working,honest white Englishman and his culture.
Report spellingandgrammarchecker February 4, 2015 6:43 PM GMT
PierreLaRogue
04 Feb 15 12:59
So nearly every single one of my posts deleted yet again, total censorship on what grounds?


Quite possibly that:
a) you're a sandwich short of a picnic
b) you're a pallet short of a load
c) you're not playing with a full deck
d) you're only 11 pence to a shilling
e) or the best of all, Diane Abbott probably makes more sense than you.

Shalom
Report cheese February 4, 2015 11:51 PM GMT
) you're a sandwich short of a picnic

as opposed to what? Thirty thousand posts about Muslims in totally unrelated threads?

You and your little friends have exhibited all the advanced stages of paranoid schizophrenia.

Guess what: your muslim takeover fantasy is not happening, never will happen, it is a product of your
disordered mind.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. February 5, 2015 8:53 AM GMT
cheese your hypocrisy is astounding,the type of loon who would ban  good people from fostering on Rotherham council whilst allowing for 17years the racist, rape,torture and assault of people who do not fit in with your lies and warped ideologies.   


Finally the left wing cretins at Rotherham are no longer in positions of power.
Report pawras February 5, 2015 9:31 AM GMT
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11390257/Voter-fraud...
Report spellingandgrammarchecker February 5, 2015 12:59 PM GMT
spellingandgrammarchecker
) you're a sandwich short of a picnic


cheese
as opposed to what? Thirty thousand posts about Muslims in totally unrelated threads?
You and your little friends have exhibited all the advanced stages of paranoid schizophrenia.
Guess what: your muslim takeover fantasy is not happening, never will happen, it is a product of your disordered mind.


And your post is a product of your disturbed mind.
I have made just over 1,200 posts, not 30,000.
I have no 'little friends'.
As for paranoid schizophrenia, try a mirror, or lay off the cannabis.
Muslim takeover? Of what?
Report spellingandgrammarchecker February 5, 2015 1:00 PM GMT
Apart from which, my post was directed at Pierre La Plonquer.
Is that you as well?
Report PierreLaRogue February 5, 2015 1:27 PM GMT
Have a read about what Israeli jews were forced to do in Gaza then talk to me about moderate muslims

http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/publications
Report treetop February 5, 2015 4:55 PM GMT
An update, if we burn a book we get a million muslims marching and rioting across the world, if they burn a man alive,a muslim guy, nothing. Absolutely nowt.
Report treetop February 5, 2015 5:30 PM GMT
And Palestinians kidnapped and murdered three teenagers and Palestine cheered,so ? Eventually the sickness and hatred has to stop on both sides before we ever get peace.
Report PierreLaRogue February 5, 2015 6:21 PM GMT
Yeah and it should be the bigger man that does that, if Israel was the bigger man and moral authority it claims to be it could solve all these problems tomorrow, but thats not what they want.
Report Dr Crippen February 5, 2015 6:33 PM GMT
Eventually the sickness and hatred has to stop on both sides before we ever get peace.

I disagree, the Muslims will never make peace with the Jews.
It's a case of pure racial hatred.
And now we've got the problem as well because we've imported so many of them.
Report PierreLaRogue February 5, 2015 6:46 PM GMT
How many jews are in Iran? they get on fine, i think.
Report Dr Crippen February 5, 2015 6:56 PM GMT
Less than half there were before Iran became an Islamic state.

Their dwindling numbers do not suggest that they get on fine.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. February 24, 2015 7:31 PM GMT
By Andrew Gilligan8:30AM GMT 22 Feb 2015
Entryism, the favourite tactic of the 1980s’ Militant Tendency, is when a political party or institution is infiltrated by groups with a radically different agenda. Since Militant’s Trotskyites were expelled from the Labour Party, the word has rather fallen out of fashion.
But now, according to one Muslim leader, Islamic radicals are practising entryism of their own — into the heart of Whitehall – courtesy of a woman who was until recently a government minister.
Baroness Warsi, the first Muslim woman to sit in Cabinet, handed official posts to people linked to Islamist groups, including a man involved in an “unpleasant and bullying” campaign to win planning permission for the controversial London “megamosque” proposed by a fundamentalist Islamic sect.
He sits – alongside other radicals or former radicals and their allies – on a “cross-Government working group on anti-Muslim hatred” set up by Lady Warsi and Nick Clegg, the Deputy Prime Minister.
Some members of the group are using their seats at the table to urge that Whitehall work with Islamist and extremist-linked bodies, including one described by the Prime Minister as a “political front for the Muslim Brotherhood”. Some are also pressing to lift bans on foreign hate preachers from entering Britain, including Zakir Naik, who has stated that “every Muslim should be a terrorist”.

Fiyaz Mughal, a former member of the working group, told The Telegraph that he had resigned in protest at its activities. “I was deeply concerned about the kinds of groups some of the members had connections with, and some of the groups they were recommending be brought into government,” he said. “It seemed to me to be a form of entryism, by people with no track record in delivering projects.” Mr Mughal is head of Tell Mama, the national organisation for monitoring anti-Muslim attacks.
Another member said: “The working group was Sayeeda [Warsi]’s personal project and she was responsible for the appointments. There was very little transparency about who was put on.”
The working group, set up in 2012, has continued after Lady Warsi’s resignation last summer in protest at the Government’s “morally indefensible” policy on the Gaza crisis. It is based in Eric Pickles’s Department for Communities and Local Government (DCLG) and includes officials from there, the Ministry of Justice, the Home Office, the Department for Education, the Foreign Office and the Crown Prosecution Service.
Among its most prominent non-government members is Muddassar Ahmed, a former senior activist in the Muslim Public Affairs Committee (MPAC), an extremist and anti-Semitic militant body which is banned from many universities as a hate group.

During Mr Ahmed’s time, MPAC campaigned heavily against “Zionist” MPs, in particular Jack Straw, the former foreign secretary, and Lorna Fitzsimons, the former Labour MP for Rochdale. She lost her seat after MPAC sent thousands of leaflets to local Muslim voters saying they should sack her because she was “Jewish”. She is not Jewish. MPAC has stated that Muslims are “at war” and that “every Muslim who does not participate in that war is committing a major sin”.
Mr Ahmed said that his “regrettable” MPAC activities were “many years in the past” and he was now a “very different person from what I was then”. He had not been involved in the racist campaign against Ms Fitzsimons, he said, but had concentrated on Mr Straw. The Government also insisted that Mr Ahmed had “dissociated himself” from MPAC and its “approach” to politics.
More recently, Mr Ahmed and his PR company, Unitas Communications, have played a role in a body called the Newham People’s Alliance (NPA), which was created to demonstrate “community support” for plans to create Britain’s biggest mosque near the Olympic Park in the east London borough of Newham.
The NPA blockaded Newham Town Hall after councillors refused planning permission for the mosque. It has run a virulent campaign against Sir Robin Wales, the borough’s mayor, calling him “Dirty Robin”, a “Zionist” and a racist and saying that no Muslim should vote for him.
It fiercely supports Lutfur Rahman, the extremist-linked mayor of the neighbouring borough, Tower Hamlets, saying Newham should be more like Tower Hamlets. “It was a very vicious campaign, with a lot of lying and making things up, and they were close allies of Lutfur,” said Sir Robin last night.
“Muddassar Ahmed wanted to stand as candidate for us [Labour], but we blocked him because of his background.”
The mosque applicant, Tablighi Jamaat, a conservative Islamic sect accused by some of being a gateway to radicalism, is appealing against the refusal of planning permission.
Mr Ahmed and others from Unitas Communications represented the Newham People’s Alliance at the planning inquiry last June. “The NPA were very unpleasant and bullying people to deal with,” said Alan Craig, a former Newham councillor who led a rival campaign, MegaMosque No Thanks, at the inquiry.
The planning appeal will be decided by the Department for Communities and Local Government, the same ministry which runs the working group on anti-Muslim hatred on which
Mr Ahmed sits, although it reports to the Deputy Prime Minister. The decision will be announced next month.
Also on the working group is Iqbal Bhana, who has repeatedly praised the work of a body called the Islamic Human Rights Commission (IHRC). The group has defended Abu Hamza, saying he has been “demonised” and claiming his recent terrorism conviction in America was an example of the “double standards of the British justice system in relation to Muslims”.
Other members include Iftikhar Awan, a former trustee of Islamic Relief, a charity with links to the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, and Sarah Joseph, a former spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), with which the current and previous governments have broken ties over its links to Islamism.

Some members of the working group have tried to get the Government to rebuild ties with the MCB and also to open new links with the IHRC and the Cordoba Foundation, a body described by David Cameron as a “political front for the Muslim Brotherhood”.
One working group member opposed to these attempts said: “Civil servants in the DCLG resisted strongly. They kept saying that there was nothing showing a change in the voice and opinions of these groups. But they were under tremendous pressure from Warsi.”
The working group was set up after Lady Warsi claimed in 2011 that Islamophobia had “passed the dinner-table test” and was “widespread and rising”. According to police figures at the time, anti-Muslim crime had been falling. Since the murder of Lee Rigby, the soldier, in 2013 such crime has risen, but still does not appear widespread. According to the Home Office, faith hate crimes, not all of which would be anti-Muslim, account for 5 per cent of hate crimes reported in England and Wales.
The Metropolitan Police, the only force that reports numbers for anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic and homophobic crime, reports that per head in London, gay people and Jews are about four times more likely to be victims of hate crime than Muslims.
While there is no doubt that anti-Muslim hatred is real and is disgraceful, the charge of Islamophobia has also been abused by Muslim wrongdoers and their allies to smear critics and deter scrutiny. Another former member of the working group, Chris Allen, an academic, claimed that the “Trojan Horse” scandal – where schools were taken over by hardline Islamists – was a “hoax” and an example of Islamophobia in the UK.
Not all members of the working group are Islamist or radical sympathisers and there is no suggestion that any member is a supporter of violent extremism. Another member, Matthew Goodwin, the associate professor of politics at Nottingham University and an expert in hard-Right political movements, said he was not aware of any attempt by the group to push an Islamist agenda. He said that he and others had been frustrated at the group’s lack of progress.
Mr Ahmed said he was not responsible for the behaviour of the Newham People’s Alliance. He said they were a “very loose group, a group of guys we grew up with who asked us to help them out at the planning inquiry. Tablighi Jamaat have never been linked to any sort of extremism and we have got to be careful not to alienate them from mainstream discourse.” He said he and Unitas had not been paid by the sect or anyone else.
A DCLG spokesman said: “We are very clear that we will not fund or engage with groups which promote violent or non-violent extremism.
“All individuals represented on the cross-government working group on anti-Muslim hatred are committed to the peaceful integration of all communities.”
Lady Warsi was unavailable for comment. Last month, she fiercely criticised the Government for “defining many groups and individuals as beyond the pale,” saying: “We needed to bring more people into the fold rather than increasingly adopt positions which pushed groups and individuals out to the fringe.”
Report pawras February 25, 2015 10:17 PM GMT
coming to the uk soon.....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11431509/Saudi-Arabia-court-gives-death-penalty-to-man-****nounced-his-Muslim-faith.html
Report pawras February 26, 2015 7:37 AM GMT
I bet you don't have an article like this on Guardian site

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11434343/Lets-stop-making-excuses-for-these-jihadi-brides.html
Report dray February 26, 2015 11:53 AM GMT
I bet you don't have an article like this on Guardian site

You do know the economics editor of the Telegraph just resigned because they hushed up his expose of the HSBC scandal?
Telegraph readers shouldn't lecture any one about proper journalism.
Report pawras February 26, 2015 12:00 PM GMT
Was I talking about the HSBC thing or agree with any of it?

Don't do the left of trying to divert onto a different issue
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