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wildmanfromborneo
17 May 14 09:22
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The establishment are fighting back,the press trying to smear UKIP the BBC the same it will get worse.

UKIP are challenging the cosy cartel,the quango members,human rights lawyers,high grade civil servants.

The first in are the UAF with threats of violence and some actual acts of violence but now departments of the state will pursue UKIP members in a bid to scare them off.
The UKIP members will come under the scrutiny of the taxman and worse still they will be threatened by social services.

The well heeled champagne socialists see a threat to their hegemony,a threat to their sponsored lifestyle so don't be surprised to see an unholy alliance between Lib/Lab/Con to do down UKIP by fair means or foul.
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Report moisok May 19, 2014 7:07 PM BST
This is what Mr Farage said.....

Nigel Farage said: "UKIP will never allow the false accusation of racism levelled by a politically correct elite to prevent the raising of issues that are of concern to the great majority of the British public.

"The unfortunate reality is that we are in political union with a post-Communist country that has become highly susceptible to organised crime.

"Where there are differential crime rates between nationalities, it is perfectly legitimate to point this out and to discuss it in the public sphere and I shall continue to do so.

"Police figures are quite clear that there is a high level of criminality within the Romanian community in Britain. This is not to say for a moment that all or even most Romanian people living in the UK are criminals.

"But it is to say that any normal and fair-minded person would have a perfect right to be concerned if a group of Romanian people suddenly moved in next door. So far as I can see most of those media commentators objecting to this statement are people living in million pound houses for whom the prospect of such a turn of events is not a real one.

"Of course, if we were able to operate a proper work permit scheme for Romanian nationals, with suitable checks, as recommended by UKIP, then nobody would need to be concerned if a group of Romanian nationals moved in next door to them. "

These are facts, is it now racist to talk about facts?
Report Burton-Brewers May 19, 2014 7:16 PM BST
let them carry on imo, all those people that scream racist at the slightest thing, are so short sighted they cannot see that they are driving ordinary people to become what they supposedly detest.
Report Dr Crippen May 19, 2014 7:52 PM BST
the Unions and they disagree with everything N Farage stands for.

Not quite Mick.
Didn't Bob Crowe state the he was against bringing in cheap labour from abroad and undercutting our own workers?

I think the whole trade union movement should hang their heads in shame for standing by and watching it happen.
The unions are supposed to represent the best interests of their members, yet we haven't heard so much as a whimper of protest from them over immigrants coming here and working for lower wages.

It's simply outrageous, and quite frankly if I were a member of a union I'd resign over this betrayal of trust.
They should be on the side of the people who pay their wages and if they're not then what's the point of being in a union?.
Report Angel Gabrial May 19, 2014 8:06 PM BST
Bob Crow did say that and he also said that he wanted fair rights for all workers in the EU. That the difference between he had Farage on the EU was that Farage was anti EU people and Bob was not.
Report wildmanfromborneo May 19, 2014 8:19 PM BST
Bob Crow was a great Union man precisely because he looked after his own members.

The other Union leaders allowed their support for Labour and their own ideology blind them into not looking after their members,they were also bought by Labour and are paid far too much.

Union leaders have one main function representing the interest of their members,I am always amazed when companies ask the Unions where the cuts should come and they try to answer,its not the Unioms job to run the company.

The EU is anti worker and anti union and should be opposed by left and right.
Report gus May 19, 2014 9:16 PM BST
I'm old enough to have lived in the country that Farage and his followers would like the UK to be, and it was not  a good place to be, unless, of course you were a  Farage or one of his followers.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"[

and God help them, because they're incapable of helping themselves.
Report moisok May 19, 2014 9:28 PM BST
I also am old enough to have lived in a country not associated with the EU
but if you are happy to be controlled by a small elite from brussels then do carry on supporting the EU.
Report gus May 19, 2014 9:39 PM BST
if i was 'controlled by a small elite from Brussels' i'd be quite pi$$ed off, but i'm not, and neither are you, so, panic over, relax.
Report Mighty Whites 2008 May 19, 2014 10:00 PM BST
on question time last year Bob Crow said he was against EU membership and would campaign to exit in a referendem
Report gus May 19, 2014 10:46 PM BST
voting against EU membership in a referendum and voting for Farage and his pals in an election are two entirely separate things.
Report Angel Gabrial May 19, 2014 11:08 PM BST
Gus is correct.

Being anti European Union as Crow was is not the same as being anti European people, like Farage who blames immigrants for all the countries wows.
Report moisok May 19, 2014 11:17 PM BST
er no angel I don't think he does - I am prepared to be corrected of course.
Report Angel Gabrial May 19, 2014 11:30 PM BST
Moisty, the UKIP finger poster was pointing at the working man on the street, it implied foreign people are the threat.

Why was the finger not pointing at the heads of the EU?
Why was Farage concerned about foreign languages in public places.
He is watering down his fascist approach for political reasons.
His internal dialogue is one of fascism i feel, although i agree more should be done to control the over supply of low -skilled labour to the UK.

He is an obvious fascist regardless if you believe in the OUT of the EU principle.
Report call me a taxi May 19, 2014 11:34 PM BST
Why was Farage concerned about foreign languages in public places

How about Abu Hamza speaking in his own language outside Finsbury Park mosque for two years, before being arrested, and now convicted, of supporting terrorism.
Report Angel Gabrial May 19, 2014 11:38 PM BST
Farage never implied hate speech in his concern.

So because of Abu Hamza a Hungarian man should be frowned upon for speaking in Hungarian to his wife? Farage has children that speak German to their mother.
Report Angel Gabrial May 19, 2014 11:39 PM BST
How many Arabic speaking fellows are we expecting from the EU Taxi?
Report moisok May 19, 2014 11:40 PM BST
unfortunately you are following the media, lab con lib line here sorry and all that angel
finger pointing poster proves he is internal dialogue is fascist - gee you couldn't make it up

but you have!!! 

I think you will find he has been doing tons of finger pointing at the heads of the eu - I thought that was one of his main policies
Report moisok May 19, 2014 11:41 PM BST
I believe at one time he was fined for taking the pss out of a certain europhile was he not??
Report call me a taxi May 19, 2014 11:42 PM BST
Angel Gabrial     19 May 14 23:39 
How many Arabic speaking fellows are we expecting from the EU Taxi?


Irrelevant - this was your question.
Why was Farage concerned about foreign languages in public places.
Report moisok May 19, 2014 11:44 PM BST
try out the central line one morning!!!!
Report Angel Gabrial May 19, 2014 11:45 PM BST
I didn`t say it proved anything moisty, how can i prove Farage is a fascist? Join the dots from his fascistly verbal outrage as youth, through his admiration of other fascists to the finger pointing out foreigners are the threat...well perhaps.

I have not jumped on any bandwaggon here moisty, i have merely studied the form and placed my wager. The guy is a FPTP fascist.
Report Angel Gabrial May 19, 2014 11:48 PM BST
Taxi

Let`s ban all bilingual speakers from public places then. Bravo.
Report moisok May 19, 2014 11:51 PM BST
yes you have jumped on the band waggon -

so he was a fascist in his youth  yes??

I know of a dozens of communists in their youth and trots etc
They are now or were, leaders or high up and respectable in the eu and labour party plus some unions but now claim not to be anything of the sort. It was just in their youth. etc etc  Yawn!!! so your next point is in proving his fascist tendencies!!??

You are as bad as the capitalist press joining in with them in their attack on someone who is asking very awkward questions.
Report alleged22 May 19, 2014 11:55 PM BST
allah akbar
Report Ivor May 20, 2014 12:01 AM BST
^ See, SEE, there's another one ^ They walk amongst us!
Report Ivor May 20, 2014 12:02 AM BST
Iesu mawr - what is your country coming too? Grin
Report Angel Gabrial May 20, 2014 12:12 AM BST

You are as bad as the capitalist press joining in with them in their attack on someone who is asking very awkward questions.


Do you mean the awkward questions like what James O`Brien  was asking Nige? If only Huey, Dewey, and Louie could have interviewed Farage, imagine the awkwardness!Laugh
Report Angel Gabrial May 20, 2014 12:15 AM BST
When is Blackie going on local radio to plug his new book `The underclass and the solution`
Report call me a taxi May 20, 2014 12:58 AM BST
Angel Gabrial     19 May 14 23:48 
Taxi
Let`s ban all bilingual speakers from public places then. Bravo.


Nothing wrong with bi-lingual speakers, but in England they should speak English.
Report Angel Gabrial May 20, 2014 1:09 AM BST
Nothing wrong with bi-lingual speakers, but in England they should speak English.

Not sure how you will impose this Taxi. What happens when an Italian footballer shouts `dammi la palla`..will a Farage doppelganger official storm over to caution him, or will the referee have police authority?
Report Angel Gabrial May 20, 2014 1:25 AM BST
It actually makes me wonder how many ignorant kids are now more likely to sneer, threaten and harm anyone speaking in a foreign language  on the streets of the UK. You can say what you like about immigration but the butterfly effect of what someone like Farage has to say can be interpreted by others in a discriminating way.

People who move here need to learn the language to progress and should show effort in doing so, but the way Farage put it across without any background knowledge of the individuals in question. could steer up a hornets nest.

Unless of course it was just Farage`s paranoia making him feel uncomfortable. Understandable really.
Report Ivor May 20, 2014 2:07 AM BST
Nick Clegg says Ifor is ''deeply unpatriotic'' and I'm now happy to see him sink without trace. How WRONG can he be!

They're all capable of choosing their words poorly at times. They get better and better at using lots of words to say nothing in particular with training and experience. Thursday is going to be FUN!
Report moisok May 20, 2014 9:44 AM BST
has anyone seen the manifesto  - It looks more like a communist manifesto - a rather enlightening experience.  It will put IVER off now - they talk about local democracy and people deciding for themselves.

Clearly the slurs and smears should switch from racists to 'reds under the beds' - something I used to here much more way back!!!
Report Angel Gabrial May 20, 2014 10:57 AM BST
A communist manifest -cough.

You`ll like this, not a lot but.........you`ll like it.

Right-wing/left wing Farage can do it all. The Paul Daniels and Debbie Magee of political promise.

The magical 3rd way.
Report Dr Crippen May 20, 2014 10:57 AM BST
It's amazing how people bandy the word fascist around without appearing to have a clue what it really stands for.

Blaming certain groups for their country's troubles isn't unique amongst any political movement. The Tories used to blame the unions for the countries ills. The Labour blamed the rich and still do, and now the bankers are under fire from all sides. But no group was ever in danger of getting killed over it. And neither is anybody in mortal danger over immigration when that comes under scrutiny.

Spain was a fascist state up until 1975. No administration is perfect, but I never heard of any large groups being persecuted to extermination in Spain.
The imprisonment of political prisoners when they threaten the state is common right across the political board.
Report Angel Gabrial May 20, 2014 11:12 AM BST
It`s amazing how people attempt to educate but only repeat what the majority of people already know.

We should note down that on the 20th May 2014 a certain Dr Crippen educated one and all that fascism does not always equate to extermination.

Go Franco!
Report moisok May 20, 2014 11:14 AM BST
An interview aired on Channel 4 News last night took a turn against the presenter Jon Snow as the Romanian guest ended up agreeing with UKIP's Nigel Farage about "unruly Romanians".

The interview opened by introducing Mariana Gordan, who came to the UK 30 years ago as a refugee. Known left-wing sympathiser and Channel 4 interviewer Jon Snow "cut to the quick" and asked Ms. Gordan, who escaped imprisonment under Romanian tyrant Ceausescu, "How would you feel if somebody told you you would have to live next door to Nigel Farage?"

Gordan replied, "I would say he wasn't far wrong about his... you know... I wouldn't want to live next door to a bunch of unruly Romanians myself, whether in England or in Romania."

"So to some extent he's right?" probed Snow.

"Of course," said Gordan, "...he was right, Romania is not a civilised country... this is not a race issue, I do not think Nigel Farage is racist. I think he's learned something from this influx of Romanians, some of them because are mixed up with gypies... it's just politically incorrect to call them gypies anymore... you can't... we can't even tell them apart. They have bad habits of exploiting their women and children and they are unruly".

Challenged again by Snow, who was clearly seeking a different response, Gordan said: "My argument is not about race, it is about right and wrong. Britain is the most civilised country in the world and if people come here they should be civilised."

"Politically, [Farage] was possibly wrong," he ends, after pressure from Snow. At which point he says, "Ok. Possibly wrong," and ends the interview with Gordan.
Report moisok May 20, 2014 11:15 AM BST
Angel  have you actually seen a UKIP manifesto?
Report Dr Crippen May 20, 2014 11:18 AM BST
Fair enough AG, you claim to know your onions.

So why did you write this this below?

When is Blackie going on local radio to plug his new book `The underclass and the solution`
Report Angel Gabrial May 20, 2014 11:19 AM BST
Moisty

Yes i have read it, but where are the cuts coming from. Age old question is not even lost on UKIP. The new kid on the block.
Report moisok May 20, 2014 11:20 AM BST
We really cannot have this - local people deciding local issues!!!
sounds like a trotskyite revolutions stirring with stalinist or stasi undertones!!!(I know they are opposites by the way)
I go back to the days of 'REDS UNDER THE BEDS'  Being a socialist myself I was used to the jibes.
Perhaps the slurs should change to 'REDS'  UKIP quite clearly trouble making commies.!!!

UKIP Councillors are expected to follow the best interests of their constituents.
They do not just toe the party line, as the other parties do.

Democracy:
Introduce binding local planning referendums on major decisions, such as out-of-town or large-scale supermarket developments, wind turbines, incinerators, solar farms, major housing developments and transport schemes like HS2.

Economy and Enterprise:
Reduce tax and business costs to stimulate the local economy. Make it easier for smaller and local businesses to tender for local authority contracts.

Environment, Planning and Housing:
Reduce the pressure on housing by ending open-door immigration. Oppose the bedroom tax, but provide incentives to re-use empty homes. Protect our green spaces by directing new housing and business developments to brown-field sites. Stop preferential treatment to special groups such as travellers - rules should apply equally to us all.

Education:
Improve access to quality local education and create more grammar
schools and technical skills colleges, encourage vocational apprenticeships,
give parents the right to choose where their children go to school, protect rural
schools and support home schooling.

Public Health and Social Care:
Put local communities at the heart of health care. Oppose health tourism and cuts to front-line doctors, surgeons, dentists and nurses, but reduce the number of managers and executives.

Transport and Roads:
Improve road maintenance as a priority. Mending potholes should take priority over council vanity schemes. Upgrade public transport, especially maintaining and reinstating rural bus routes that many communities depend on and which feed town-centre businesses and markets. Increase provision of free parking to regenerate town centres and boost business. Oppose any introduction of tolling on our roads and motorways.

Bin Collection:
We are opposed to the loss of weekly bin collections and will restore it in councils where the majority of residents seek for it to be returned.

Culture and Heritage:
Preserve our public libraries and develop a local buildings listing programme to allow communities to protect buildings of local importance.

Safer Communities: Keep real police officers on the beat and stop the scrapping of front-line police jobs. Adopt a zero tolerance approach to anti-social
behaviour and crack down on nuisance neighbours.

Energise the voluntary sector:
UKIP believes that the best decisions are decisions that are made locally. Community groups and volunteers are often better placed to run facilities and services than the State. By ensuring that these groups are supported, empowered and energised much more can be achieved.

Here are just some of the ways we will save your money:

Cut councillors’ excessive allowances and expenses
Slash excessive pay deals for senior council staff
Limit the number of highly-paid council employees
Cut the councils’ advertising and self-promotion budgets
Build partnerships to reduce costs
Abolish non-essential and politically-correct jobs and red tape
Leave the EU and save £55 million every day
Drop the EU Landfill Directive to cut refuse disposal costs
Control immigration to ease the burden on local services
Close unnecessary central government departments and quangos
End wasteful EU and UK subsidies to ‘renewable energy scams’, such as wind turbines and solar farms
Require all visitors to show adequate health insurance at the point of entry into the UK
Make it easier for schools to sack bad teachers
Reduce bureaucracy in the education system
Sell unused state-owned property and assets
Oppose EU directives adding artificial and detrimental costs
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 11:35 AM BST
All funded by leaving the EU he told Paxman.

Something UKIP cannot deliver.
Report alleged22 May 20, 2014 11:39 AM BST
are you for staying in Europe or leaving mick?
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 11:40 AM BST
Why? Whats it got to do with you?
Report wildmanfromborneo May 20, 2014 11:42 AM BST
Mickstick losing his temper again.
Report Angel Gabrial May 20, 2014 11:43 AM BST
Crippen, eugenics/population control is quite different from extermination/genocide.

You could control immigration but how do you control the underclass? Blackie often pondered over this one. Labour camps? any ideas Crippen?

If Labour becomes too expensive for businesses are they more likely to switch to automation? what happens to the `scroungers` then?
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 11:43 AM BST
Just don't like nosey people or those who twist what is posted to suit their own agenda.
Report alleged22 May 20, 2014 11:49 AM BST
its a simple question mick forget farage and ukip, if there was a referendum tomorrow would you vote to stay or go?
Report wildmanfromborneo May 20, 2014 11:50 AM BST
You were asked a political question on a politics forum didnt want to answer it so got aggressive,its a common pattern for you.

The immigration you have been indoctrinated to love has been detrimental to the working class.

The Labour Party despise the white working class and have done so since Tony Blair.
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 11:51 AM BST
Alleged22

I refer you to my previous answer.
Report alleged22 May 20, 2014 11:56 AM BST
I don,t want to twist anything mick, and don,t have an agenda, I asked a simple question, if you don,t want to answer that is up to you
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 11:58 AM BST
To elaborate

IF there was a referendum TOMORROW, it would mean we, the public would have been given ***ALL*** the facts so we could chose. Unlike at the moment we are short of facts but big on soundbytes yet some have been convinced by them.

Interestingly in their attempt to put some meat on the EU facts, Newsnight, backed up by the CEO of J P Morgan bank Stephanie Flanders, agreed with the fact that the UK has greatly benefited finacialy by being in the EU. Something N Farage constantly does not agree with but doesn't seem to be able to quantify.
Report moisok May 20, 2014 12:01 PM BST
your posts are offensive to any labour party supporter  alleged and wildman

you cannot touch them or you are racists - it is quite simple

do not at any time point out that labour wrote socialism out of their books starting with Kinnock and ending with blair

no wonder old labour supporters who are still here are touchy about anything!!

their blind support of the eu is frightening - germany achieving something it couldn't do in two world wars but have achieved with stealth

hegemony in europe  - CHECK OUT THE RED HOUSE REPORT!!! (labour are blindly supporting a huge nazi and corporate sytem - they think it is about workers rights !!??)
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 12:04 PM BST
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If anyone can make sense of that post " Your a better man than me Gunga Din "
Report moisok May 20, 2014 12:04 PM BST
thankyou for you patronising reply
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 12:05 PM BST
Traditionally the big winner at European elections in Britain has been apathy.

Turnout has been low at every election since the assembly was first elected in 1979.

At the last Euro elections nearly two thirds did not bother to cast a ballot and turnout is expected to be around the same on Thursday.

Why? Polls show a majority (small) want to stay in the EU, but know that the EU elections are meaningless.

UKIPs main(only)policy is get out of Europe. That is the very existence of the party, the sole reason why it was set up.

Nigel Farage is no racist nor are UKIPs policies racist, but he has cottoned on to the fact that the electorate is concerned with immigration. So cleverly he has let the waters be muddied by saying EU membership is the same thing as being concerned with immigration. 

He knows 415 million people are not coming here to take British jobs, how could they? But he knows the implied rhetoric works on some people. Just like any news concerning English football supporters, we only ever hear about the hooligan minority.

It would not make the slightest difference to the general publics way of life or their daily living if UKIP won every seat at these EU elections, history tells us people revert to type at a GE. They don't appear to turn up anyway, so it is strange to hear a lot of people who generally complain about the dishonesty of politicians voting for someone who will not even carry out what he/she is being paid to do. Would anyone be happy with paying a bricklayer to build a wall, then him only deliver the bricks.

Does UKIP attract racists? IMO yes, just like the Labour party attracts Communists. But Mr Farage is a smooth operator he knows it is the exrtemes that might get him the landslide he so desires.


For the Dummies who couldn't be bothered to read it properly yesterday.
Report alleged22 May 20, 2014 12:06 PM BST
why should we be listening to the ceo of an American bank?
Report moisok May 20, 2014 12:06 PM BST
ps - ostrich burying head in sand is likely to get sore bottom

old saxon proverb!!!
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 12:09 PM BST
Quite right Aleged22

Don't listen to an ex BBC financial editor heavyweight of the financial world talking about profitability and financial benefits and anything concerning economics.
Report moisok May 20, 2014 12:12 PM BST
what a dispiriting negative post - like labour you offer nothing - although the manifesto is rather general, at least ukip are trying to offer an alternative
tory and lab is just the same old garbage - no change there
ukip have more policies than you are saying
typical anti ukip propaganda from you mickstick
I thought you were better than that, but like angel you are following the elite/journo/media propaganda smear on them.  I am surprised you support the capitalist backed onslaught.
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 12:14 PM BST
You would sooner listen to a professional politician, and believe him without checking out whether what he says is correct or not.

Some people check their facts.

How many crimes in Europe are carried out by Romanians? Farage seemed to come up with 3 different figures.

Romanian criminal gangs carry out most crimes according to Farage. But no, Italian gangs do. He has never mentioned Italian Gangs funny that seeing that is where the Mafia reside.
Report Dr Crippen May 20, 2014 12:16 PM BST
AG,
So the line I quoted wasn't a play on words of the Nazi's final solution regarding the Jews then?

I'm glad you've cleared that up.
Report alleged22 May 20, 2014 12:18 PM BST
forget the Romanians and farage we are going over old ground,   in or out ???
Report wildmanfromborneo May 20, 2014 12:18 PM BST
Mickstick seems to think the pickpockets are Italian,they are actually Romanian.
Mickstick seems to think the ATM skimmers are Italian,they are actually Romanian.
Report moisok May 20, 2014 12:26 PM BST
As a hard line socialist I want to know why farage is carrying all before him while Labour, the only alternative for most people on the street(so to speak) is incapable of challenging either tory or ukip.
Since ditching every socialist scrap of policy and selling their souls to the eu. Labour have stunk!!
Kinnock was vehemently anti eu and what a U turn that became. He and is wife are up their greasy necks in the trough.
This is what it is really about - careers and career path.
Until the labour party becomes socialist, you are going to see the party you hate(ukip) grow and grow.
Your blind support of labour, the eu etc betrays your intelligence and political nous, which is a shame as you clearly have knowledge of the subject.
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 12:26 PM BST
Cant make me mind up cause I do not know ALL the facts for being in or out.

Unlike some of those who without knowing ALL the facts already do.

You see if Farages facts about Romanians and their crimes are incorrect, perhaps he is wrong on the benefits of being in the EU.

So Alleged22, if you HAVE made your mind up without ALL the facts about the EU maybe your'e a bit of a dummy.
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 12:31 PM BST
Moisok as you obviously don't read what is posted, I will write it in crayon for you.

PLEASE POINT OUT WHERE I HAVE

CALLED ANY ONE A RACIST
POSTED MY PREFERENCE FOR LABOUR PAST OR PRESENT, E. MILIBAND OR ANY POLITICAL AFFILIATION
POINTED OUT MY PREFERENCE FOR BEING IN OR OUT OF THE EU

Until you can, I'll just ignore you (I normally do anyway)
Report moisok May 20, 2014 12:32 PM BST
I also watched the newsnight programme and the answer was - they don't know. 
Also, all those featured have a drum to beat to grease their own paths, interests and income. So they are not going to say anything their bosses don't want. Paxman himself is leaving - think that says a lot too.
One assessment of damage by leaving was estimated to be one average years growth of  gdp  - hardly the doom and gloom that pro eu supporters throw around.
Report Dr Crippen May 20, 2014 12:32 PM BST
It's remarkable how the anti UKIP commentators keep pushing UKIP to the front of the scene.
Despite the indications that the negative publicity isn't doing UKIP any harm.

They're trying to show the public what they think UKIP is about - but the public like what they see.

Keep it coming suckers.
Report moisok May 20, 2014 12:36 PM BST
thats ok then mick - I am trying to debate - you are just like northernliar and the rest of the lab and eu supporters and ukip mudslingers
and normally ignore me ha ha
That says it all about you doesn't it really.
One of the if you don't agree with me SHUT UP  brigade - quite odious really.

You support the status quo mudslinging capitalist press assault on farage. Including the lab con lib alliance that has formed to do so.
  Like the  greasy journals you used to work for I guess.
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 12:37 PM BST
Quite DR C

Who said " there is no such thing as bad publicity " ?

But you will have to wait for a General Election to see how popular UKIP really are.

BNP got 2 MEPs last time and where are they? UKIP themselves got 13 and zero Westminster MPs despite trying to pitch their leader against an vilified sitting MP, and Farage couldn't get more votes than the local Independent.
Report moisok May 20, 2014 12:39 PM BST
doctor
I opened up the gruniad this morning and BLARE BLARE BLARE go the klaxons summoning everyone to prayer at the feet of the mighty guardian slamming the nasty racists.  I believe only 2 percent of the newspaper reading public read it but it sure is giving it a good go.
Gone are the days when you could reach for a copy and get a new or different line on a subject.  On farage ukip it reads like a tory rag.

This is the sort of lib lab tory propagands mickstick goes for too.
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 12:39 PM BST
One of the if you don't agree with me SHUT UP  brigade - quite odious really.

I understand how thick you are, you provide the evidence on here daily.

I don't care if you agree with me or not, unlike yourself who peppers the forums with your entrenched views and is willing to accuse and twists as and when it suits.
Report moisok May 20, 2014 12:42 PM BST
he he  you really are funny you should go on the stage mickstick

but then you eu loving status quo supporters always trot out this patronising garbage from the greasy papers you wrote for
Report alleged22 May 20, 2014 12:43 PM BST
So Alleged22, if you HAVE made your mind up without ALL the facts about the EU maybe your'e a bit of a dummy.

we will never get all the facts FACT

I asked you for a one word answer if there was a referendum tomorrow, in or out!

is it really that hard mick?
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 12:44 PM BST
but then you eu loving status quo supporters always trot out this patronising garbage from the greasy papers you wrote for

Yes that corresponds with I don't have a view yet as I don't know all the facts. Well in your tiny mind anyway. Menelaus obviously was not alone.
Report Angel Gabrial May 20, 2014 12:47 PM BST
AG,
So the line I quoted wasn't a play on words of the Nazi's final solution regarding the Jews then?


Not that i am aware of.
Report moisok May 20, 2014 12:49 PM BST
What are your views on free speech then mick stick - did you write about it when you worked for our glorious newspaper industry?
Report moisok May 20, 2014 12:50 PM BST
you don't have a view but quite happy to support the capitalist mudslinging contest
Report alleged22 May 20, 2014 12:50 PM BST
AG same question IN or OUT?

please no long winded response trying to justify yourself, IN or OUT....
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 12:58 PM BST
It is not a question I am able to answer. If you take your hand away from your ears you will see I have posted an answer. Because unfortunately for you there are three answers to your question

IN
OUT
DON'T KNOW.

But as your'e no Jeremy Paxman, you probably cannot see that.

so if there was a refendum tomorrow, I would be a don't know. Unless in your world order, don't know wouldn't be allowed?
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 12:59 PM BST
eyes
Report alleged22 May 20, 2014 1:01 PM BST
your answer kinda sums you up, if there was a referendum you would be holding up the queue looking for the I don,t know box
Report Angel Gabrial May 20, 2014 1:01 PM BST
If recruitment agencies are regulated and our low-skilled are given more of a look in, then i would be more satisfied with staying in. However i would not be opposed to pulling out if the song remains the same on the over supply of imported cheap labour.

Call it a cop out or a compromise, but every action has an equal and opposite reaction and pulling out would have negative effects i am sure.
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 1:04 PM BST
Unlike yourself who would hang a man without hearing all the facts.

That is what sums you up. not grown up enough to make your own mind up.
Report alleged22 May 20, 2014 1:06 PM BST
thank you AG for a civilised response Happy
Report mickstick May 20, 2014 1:06 PM BST
AG

UKIPs whole argument is based on what we could do outside the EU as regards trade. But the truth is THEY DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. And we would sure be up sh1t street if they are wrong.
Report Angel Gabrial May 20, 2014 1:18 PM BST
That`s true Mick and i think Farage has been analysing the Icelandic model. You would be looking at trade and immigration regulation under the EEA and EFTA agreements.

It`s more of a compromise than total freedom. You would still have two sets of rules for those immigrants outside the EEA/EFTA and for those nations within.

Would this be a possible compromise. I`m not sure.

I like you like Mick would like more information presented to us.
Report Angel Gabrial May 20, 2014 1:19 PM BST
* EEA/EFTA TRADE agreements also Mick.
Report moisok May 20, 2014 1:22 PM BST
yeah grow up alleged!!! then at least you would have a mind as large as mine -- (tiny - courtesy of mickstick)
ex journo - can't you tell the style - if they cannot win an argument, or are under pressure will resort to the usual slanging so I just chuck it back at them.  Working for one of the bosses greasy journals does that to you, you know.
Report alleged22 May 20, 2014 1:23 PM BST
I think we would all like more credible information. the trouble is will we believe it when it is presented to us, as we are spoon fed far too much spin and bull sh*t
Report moisok May 20, 2014 1:25 PM BST
2.2 perceent gdp one years worth was the calculated damage if we left.
But all journos, economists, bankers, commentators have mainly only lived during the EU's time  - they know little of before.They have no experience of an alternative.
Report moisok May 20, 2014 1:27 PM BST
as far as they are concerned it is the bridge to prosperity, the tunnel to fame - the only one-
take it away and it will be a disaster
without the eu it is not possible to prosper.
Report moisok May 20, 2014 1:29 PM BST
it is just as much a political movement and philosophy as a trading block
check out the RED HOUSE REPORT on where some of the ideas started and even more worryingly, who was involved and made money

You will not believe it!!!!
germany gaining hegemony in europe without having to fight a war.
Report call me a taxi May 20, 2014 1:30 PM BST
mickstick
20 May 14 11:58   
To elaborate
IF there was a referendum TOMORROW, it would mean we, the public would have been given ***ALL*** the facts so we could chose. Unlike at the moment we are short of facts but big on soundbytes yet some have been convinced by them.


Incredulous post.

Do you really think that if the tories get in again, when oil slick Cameron finally gives the referendum he promises, the voting public will take the time to read up on all the guff.

No, they won't, they will simply vote for what they feel is right, whether that's a yes or a no, the same as they do in general elections.

If there wasn't one iota of doubt that we think it's right to stay in or get out of the EU, there wouldn't be tons of media coverage arguing over it.

Personally, I don't give a fack either way, in or out, my roof shall remain over my head, and I shall eat every day.
Report Angel Gabrial May 20, 2014 1:31 PM BST
There is always that, as you say alleged and the topic of free movement of people in the EU is factual. The topic of trade will be rhetoric, spin and more bullsh1ne.

So the GP will hang onto the immigration topic because they don`t feel inadequate discussing it.
Report susie May 20, 2014 1:41 PM BST
desperate times; people seek a desperate means of protest.


The UKIP bubble will burst once the public have shown the tories, New Labour, and Clegg how despised they are.

But in Scotland the "protest" vote could be far more decisive.

Rule by the out of touch London elite could be ended. If the SNP have their moment it is now when the Stay Together campaign is headed by Osborne and Cameron
Report treble May 20, 2014 3:45 PM BST
I think UKIP are a tremendous lay now at 1.64.

Recent polls showing a progressing drop in support over the last few days. Maybe the smear campaigns are starting to work.
Report Angel Gabrial May 20, 2014 6:34 PM BST
The ICM Telegraph Poll seems way off the mark by putting UKIP on 25% in 3rd, how can they be polling behind the Tories?

Where as the ComRes Poll for The Independent on Sunday and Sunday Mirror has UKIP pishing it with 35%.

Perhaps UKIP sympathy peaked a week too early, but most seats for Ukip 1.6 ish looks nailed to me.
Report Ivor May 20, 2014 6:40 PM BST
It seems cruel to nick treble's money - but what the 'ell - why not?
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