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Augusto Pinochet: Fascist General in the Service of the ... - Revcom.us
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24 Dec 2006 - Chilean general Augusto Pinochet, one of the most hated figures in the world, died on December 10. Pinochet headed the fascist junta that...

Shock Doctrine: Pinochet "Work Camps", Reaganomics, Junta & "the ...
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... Rise of Disaster Capitalism" by Right-wing Libertarians (Fascists) Part ... the economic structure of ...

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Pinochet's brand of fascism was exported to the streets of the United States in 1976. On Embassy Row in Washington, a car bomb planted by ...

Augusto Pinochet: The Death of a Fascist » pa
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21 Dec 2006 - Pinochet wasn't hung by his heels by anti-fascist partisans as Mussolini was in 1945. He didn't kill himself to avoid capture by Red Army troops ...

Plenty more where they came from.

"err....yeah...but....he wasn't a fascist, just a very very naughty boy!" sez EO!

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Report Menelaus November 22, 2013 11:03 PM GMT
To describe you as an obsessive-compulsive psychopath at this stage is to flatter you.
Report paddletoe November 23, 2013 12:06 AM GMT
EO you better hope Melenaus doesn't come across your thread on the cricket. You wont be baiting the aussies again in a hurry. You must still be cleaning the egg off your face. If Melenaus ever comes across that thread he will have a field day. Anyway lose lips sink ships so better not say anything else! Classic thread though.
Report paddletoe November 23, 2013 12:22 AM GMT
Btw EO whats your prediction on the Froch Groves fight?
Report Eeternaloptimist November 23, 2013 12:23 AM GMT
I'm not having that. You're supposed to be my alias and you're digging me out like that. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Eeternaloptimist November 23, 2013 12:35 AM GMT
Short answer on that one is man against boy for me.

Unless Froch suddenly grows old I think it will be a painful night for Groves who for me is a couple of years off this level. Froch has spent years fighting at proper world level and has only been beaten by top fighters. This will be Groves first foray into world class. You're not going to get rich off the odds though because I think Froch is something like 1-3 or 2-7 at best.

Occasionally they make a rick and I'll have a go if I think that's the case but these odds are about where I'd place it. Froch heavy enough odds on with a slight chance that the younger man could just find something to bridge the gap.

Prediction? I'll go with Froch on points by four rounds or late stoppage.
Report Eeternaloptimist November 23, 2013 12:37 AM GMT
Anyway back to the point in question. It is my patriotic duty to wind up the Aussies even if it comes back to bite me. I'd rather people laughed at me than not at all. Laugh
Report Eeternaloptimist November 23, 2013 1:07 AM GMT
And once more for Yellow Melly:

What happened to the lost decade? What happened to the Chicago boys?

He's an economist with an economics degree. I don't know if he's mentioned it. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report paddletoe November 23, 2013 1:16 AM GMT
Definitely think your a better judge at boxing than cricket. Curious to hear how you viewed the fight but if you say the prices are right then I reckon they are.

Regarding your cricket thread EO just as well you didn't go to bed holding a spread bet or you would have been wiped out while you slept.
Report Eeternaloptimist November 23, 2013 12:29 PM GMT
Don't tell the Aussie boys but I feared for us in this series. I didn't think the 3-0 scoreline reflected the merits of the teams during the summer. I try not to bet on things I don't have a really good grasp of as I don't like losing money and cricket would fall into that category of sports I enjoy but rarely bet on. Although I do follow the boxing still I'm not as mad about it as I was back in the 80's and 90's. I think the last bet I had on it was the Mayweather Hatton fight. I'll have an opinion but if it's a bet you're looking for there are some very good judges on the boxing forum with far more up to date knowledge of the boys coming through. I'd say these days I'm more of a boxing historian which I guess means I'm getting old. If you're a really young fella do you really need to know who The Orchid Man was and what he did in the game? Laugh

Most I ever get asked in real life these days are the technical aspects and when I ask why it is usually for some offensive reason. Laugh
Report Eeternaloptimist November 23, 2013 6:57 PM GMT
What's happened to Menochet? LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Menelaus November 24, 2013 11:13 AM GMT
"Pinochet was not a fascist"

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Report Eeternaloptimist November 24, 2013 12:23 PM GMT
Hey Menochet.

I pointed out a simple fact which paddletoe classed as the K.O. blow. You were a decade too late and a dollar short.

What happened to the lost decade in your analysis and the Chicago boys? Were they just a figment of a deranged mind or should you be looking a little closer home for that psychosis you keep talking about?

Take your time sucker. Not too much though. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Eeternaloptimist November 24, 2013 12:25 PM GMT
Now I'm going to be busy for a couple of days so take your time and make your response at least semi credible or wave those arms really quickly and with great effort and you may just fool someone. Wink
Report Menelaus November 24, 2013 2:00 PM GMT
Were they just a figment of a deranged mind


Actually, yes, they were just a figment of the imagination of a right-wing ideology that fed that deranged mind a bunch of lies and he bought it......because he can't think for himself. So was the lie about the "Chile economic miracle"

Not their involvement, that's historical fact, but the fallacy and the big lie that Chile under the fascist criminal Pinochet actually practiced laissez-faire free market economics and that any economic recovery WHICH ALL CAME AFTER PINOCHET STEPPED DOWN FROM POWER (you know, because these things take time Laugh) is attributed to the "chicago boys".

Allende's posthumous gift to his countrymen through nationalizing the copper mines and good old Keynes (not Friedman) with his state intervention stimulus to support aggregate demand in an economy is what Chile's recovery was founded on. Anything else is a myth that only deranged, dumbed down fascist loving halfwits believe.

All Pinochet left behind was the $100 million he stole and stashed in foreign banks, while the Chilean poor were dying of poor man's diseases and malnutrition, and........THE GRAVES.













































gus asked before, as am I, WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO YOURSELF? Or, perhaps Chippie already gave us the answer, "its a sign of madness".Grin
Report Menelaus November 24, 2013 2:27 PM GMT
I'm going to be busy for a couple of days


Don't worry, I'm sure chatlame, Gnarley, mobo, Irish Celtic, paddletoe and the rest of the gang, will be around.

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Report grappler November 24, 2013 9:24 PM GMT
eo clearly doing something wrong. meany does not respond when he is beat. ive challenged the wanchor numerous times, and he always legs it. using the sh1thouse cop-out that it is not worth his time(always a sign of weakness). you seem to be worth a great deal of his time, despite being a 'moron', 'fascist', etc...

heres a clue for you; meany is a stinking hypocrite, blind to uncomforable truth. he is full of loathing for pinochet, and with reason. ask him for his opinion of castro. you wont get one.
Report Menelaus November 24, 2013 10:06 PM GMT
I don't engage with you because your thoughts in your posts resemble scrambled eggs that someone just threw in a trash can full of mice because the eggs were rotten. Someone is having a party and makes sense out of it all, the mice, but just no one who doesn't enjoy throwing up .

You are the most misinformed poster writing on here, and that some achievement. Ignorance and stupidity on steroids and expressed in a way no one can understand.

As far as your Castro question goes, I've answered it before a couple of times already but somehow you keep repeating it because comprehending plain english is another thing you don't do well.

Let me give it another shot.

Any head of state like Castro, Pinochet, Stalin, etc., responsible for the death of a SINGLE innocent person to advance a political agenda should face the full extend of the law and spend their remainder of living years rotting in prison.

That's a no brainer.

What is not a no brainer is that, if that's the case, there are several UK prime ministers who should be in jail now, and there is probably not a single recent US president with the possible exception of Jimmy Carter that should not be indicted for crimes against humanity. Crimes which are at a scale that would make Castro look like a saint. Pinochet unfortunately will still look the murderous fascist he really was.

Get someone to help you with the english.
Report Eeternaloptimist November 25, 2013 5:09 PM GMT
That wasn't worth waiting 10 minutes for let alone 2 whole days Menochet. I see you chose the arm waving of there was no laissez faire option. What a pathetic wafer thin mug you are. There's no hope for you if you have to lie and twist your way through life like this. It's little different to arguing that socialism isn't left wing because it isn't communism. Quite shameful really.
Report Menelaus November 25, 2013 7:51 PM GMT
This is it???ShockedShockedShockedShocked

You had (almost) two days to think about a retort and this is all you got?

Who knows, perhaps you finally clued it that the "economic miracle of Chile" under Pinochet because of those "chicago boys" laissez-faire free market economic policies was really myth.

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It must have killed you not posting for (almost) two days.Laugh

I hope you spent your time well cutting and pasting "future ammunition" from wiki.Laugh
Report Eeternaloptimist November 25, 2013 8:05 PM GMT
Continually shouting laissez faire as if it is some kind of get out of jail free card isn't going to save you. The Chicago School as you should have known were neo liberals and not fascists. They helped move Chile away from the communist collectivist model under Allende in a neo liberal direction. Neo liberal is not fascist. You do understand this don't you?

Don't you Menochet? LaughLaughLaugh
Report Eeternaloptimist November 25, 2013 8:22 PM GMT
Is google on go slow tonight Menochet? Laugh
Report Menelaus November 25, 2013 8:30 PM GMT
Get a clue.

Your post is full of falsehoods and lies. It wasn't the thread of communism why the Americans "parachuted" Pinochet into his dictatorial power role, it was the thread of LOSS OF CORPORATE PROFITS. You are way behind time with your wiki knowledge.

Do you know who Edward Korry was? Do you aware of his public statements before he died of cancer? Look into it. 

That definition of fascism, not the populist one, the other one Laugh, the one which under Pinochet would not be considered a fascist, the one that both you and sub could never produce………just doesn't exist.

Here's one that does.

When a dictatorial state with absolute power eliminates democracy and imposes it's will on the people using the unencumbered and unchecked by the country's constitution and laws muscle of the army, police and secret police, in order to eliminate freedom of speech, public dissent and civil rights, enriching a connected few while impoverishing everyone else, and does all that while committing human rights violations, torture and murder, is considered………..FASCIST.

Chile was exactly that state under Pinochet. That makes him a FASCIST.

The American documents didn't stop at that however, they also describe him as the "head of a modern day Gestapo", the secret police responsible for thousands of disappearances, torture and murder, a murderous organization where nothing happened without the full knowledge and approval of Pinochet.

Therefore he is not just a fascist, he is a murderous fascist at that. Judge Baltazar Garzon knew that, so did Judge Juan Guzman, so did Judges in several other countries that initiated legal proceeding against Pinochet for crimes against humanity, and that's why they wanted the murderous fascist to face the full extend of the law. Not even to mention the $100 million he stashed away at foreign banks while Chile's poor were dying of diseases and malnutrition.

But then what happened in this ugly chapter of history, is what happens to all extreme right wing "strong men", those omnipotent above the law characters who snuffed out the life of thousands of innocents with a mere nod and a wink. When the time comes to pay the piper……….they develop amnesia.


"Pinochet was not a fascist" is the most stupid line I read on here all year. And you own it.
Report northernlad5 November 25, 2013 8:33 PM GMT
Laughable, sort of sez it in the first 6 of my original posts including-

Shock Doctrine: Pinochet "Work Camps", Reaganomics, Junta & "the ...www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGVywLBIJhU
27 Feb 2012 - Uploaded by VampiressOnDaProwlq
... Rise of Disaster Capitalism" by Right-wing Libertarians (Fascists) Part ... the economic structure of ...

The internet has spoken...Right-wing Libertarian = Fascists.
Report Eeternaloptimist November 25, 2013 9:04 PM GMT
When a dictatorial state with absolute power eliminates democracy and imposes it's will on the people using the unencumbered and unchecked by the country's constitution and laws muscle of the army, police and secret police, in order to eliminate freedom of speech, public dissent and civil rights, enriching a connected few while impoverishing everyone else, and does all that while committing human rights violations, torture and murder, is considered………..FASCIST.

Nope. That is a dictatorship. Think Saddam Hussein. Think Pinochet. In order fora  fascist state to exist there are other things required. Can you think what those might be? I'll start you off. Think Chicago School. Laugh
Report Eeternaloptimist November 25, 2013 9:06 PM GMT
The internet has spoken...Right-wing Libertarian = Fascists.


Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear Oh dear. You are so so clueless. How anybody even you could put the words libertarian and fascist in the same sentence is staggering.
Report Eeternaloptimist November 25, 2013 9:09 PM GMT
Laughable, sort of sez it in the first 6 of my original posts including-

I remember those well. Wasn't one of your citations Revolution.Com and another Iron Fisting? LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report grappler November 25, 2013 9:55 PM GMT
menelaus; 'Crimes which are at a scale that would make Castro look like a saint. Pinochet unfortunately will still look the murderous fascist he really was.

Get someone to help you with the english. '



pinochet a murderous fascist. yep. castro the same? yep. except he went on far longer. the point you ignore is that pinochet is reviled. despite allowing elections(he lost, and gave up) catro never has, and isnt. why?
Report northernlad5 November 25, 2013 10:03 PM GMT
Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear Oh dear. You are so so clueless. How anybody even you could put the words libertarian and fascist in the same sentence is staggering

I don't think you quite realise what you' ve done on this thread. There have been countless threads before were you have made a complete a- hole of yourself, but this takes the buiscuit.
How can anybody even.........? The internet post for one, all the other internet posts, myself, Menulaus,
AND THE MOST GLARING ENDICTMENT TO YOUR CREDABILITY, no blackburn, no Java, no, Mexico, no Conspiracy, no. even sad Crippin. Would dare to support you! Not one post...not one !
Because they obviously know your talking so far up your arse, even they can't find an angle to give you anything other than laughable support.
China has a communist government, yet allows  free enterprise. Does that make them any less communist? Far phucking more than it ever made Pinochet less fascist
The Nazi's destroyed modern art till realising how many marks where available through its sale. Then  they stopped just stealing and destroying, but hoarded to sell. Did that make them any less Nazi & modern art lovers.
Tommy Docherty Ex Man U manager, used to joke that if you saw a cat with two eyes where he was brought up, it was a tourist – did that make it any less a cat?

This thread, cos you read on wiki that a few academic arse lickers (no doubt Thatcherite) dispute he was like Musolini, or Hitler, or Franco, just doesn't make a cat any less of a cat, it doesn't make a fascist any less of a fascist dog!
Report northernlad5 November 25, 2013 10:10 PM GMT
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Final nail in your credibility coffin...arch right wing supporter.. grappler-

pinochet a murderous fascist. yep. castro the same?

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Make up your minds right wingers!
Report northernlad5 November 25, 2013 10:34 PM GMT
We rest our case!

But...the shows not over folks the main contest of the evening and what you've all been waiting for - the right wing heavy weight champion of the world -

Eeternaliair in the blue corner v grappler in the even bluer corner.

The debate - "Was Pinochet A Fascist!"

Nope sez Eternaliar....
Yep, a murdering fascist, says grappler.

Let the contest begin.....

....just to remind both of you, - Queensbury rules!
Report Eeternaloptimist November 25, 2013 10:43 PM GMT
grappler is entitled to his view as are you Mad Lad. We can agree to disagree. If you or indeed grappler suggest that anybody who doubts that view is a fascist loving halfwit then I will take issue with that view because it fails the test of logic. Like this pearl.

China has a communist government, yet allows  free enterprise. Does that make them any less communist?

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Report northernlad5 November 25, 2013 11:03 PM GMT
Try to shift the debate all you like but no amount of wriggling will get you out of the hole you've dug yourself.

Nobody could be more anti-left, pro right wing, than grappler, - his critical (for you) verdict-

"pinochet a murderous fascist. yep!".

Admit it, no support from your usual buddies & a damning verdict from grappler.

Your phucked!

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What a laughing stock Eternalnutjob has made of himself this time!
Report Eeternaloptimist November 25, 2013 11:11 PM GMT
I think you will find that everybody who has posted a view has declared that Menochet turned himself into a laughing stock with his comment about fascist loving halfwits. I gave him a list of academics who disagreed and he hasn't provided a shred of evidence to support his claim. You're the only person backing him up. He must be cringing at that. The only thing worse than having no support is having your support.
Report northernlad5 November 25, 2013 11:18 PM GMT
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Killer blow for you, is Menelaus has grapplers support!

Not one you would associate with left wing politics!

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Not that you wern't before, but old left wing hater grappler's verdict buries you!
Report northernlad5 November 25, 2013 11:21 PM GMT
Grappler,

"menelaus; 'Crimes which are at a scale that would make Castro look like a saint. Pinochet unfortunately will still look the murderous fascist he really was".
Report Eeternaloptimist November 25, 2013 11:26 PM GMT
You'll have to ask grappler if he supports Menochet's view that anybody who doubts that Pinochet was a fascist is a fascist loving halfwit because it seems there are a lot of well qualified people out there who disagree.

I'll tell you what though Mad Lad. If you think Menochet is right then why don't you write to these academics and tell them that they are indeed fascist loving halfwits? I'd say it is nothing less than your duty to out them and then watch as they clean you out. Not in the way you clean Menochet's ring piece out either.

Will you man up or are you too busy licking?
Report Eeternaloptimist November 25, 2013 11:27 PM GMT
I'll let you in on a little secret Mad Lad. Not all murderers or indeed dictators are fascists. Shhhhhhh. Don't tell anyone. Wink
Report northernlad5 November 25, 2013 11:32 PM GMT
Laugh - I just waited to smash you!

Your a gonner - no more credibility.

Start apologising to the people you've insulted over the years, namely black cos there not represented, and your the classic bully. Do that, or even admit you were joking - pretty sick jokes, and perhaps the likes of decent people we are, Menelaus, and I etc, will allow you back into constructive debate!
Report Eeternaloptimist November 25, 2013 11:54 PM GMT
What are you talking about you bellend? You've once again made yourself look like a prize spoon head with your comments about China and now you are running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.
Report northernlad5 November 25, 2013 11:59 PM GMT
"bellend" "China"

err what was the argument about?

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..chicken with its head cut off...

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If there was ever a cue for Burt!

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Report Menelaus November 26, 2013 12:00 AM GMT
why don't you write to these academics and tell them that they are indeed fascist loving halfwits?


You know when someone has been reduced to shreds when all they have left in the end is ***THIS***.

These academics could be dead WRONG, which they are, I have already shredded Anna's (whatever the f/k her surname is) academic musings to shreds, I could quite easily do the same with all the others, but who wants to bother at this stage. As long as they are not fascist loving halfwits Larry finds comfort in that. He can not defend Pinochet as not being a fascist but, hey, those academics are are not fascist loving halfwits, so there you have it. Time for Larry to wave the arms up in the air and shout "I won, I won, I won"

THINK, you clueless fascist loving halfwit, THINK.

THINK on your own instead of parroting sh1t from wiki about what "academics" may be saying REGARDLESS if they are right or wrong, without a morsel of research or evidence to back them up. Just flowery words.

And in the end, as usual, YOU HAVE NOTHING LEFT but loud farts. Out go the definitions that I missed but have yet be produced, out go the free market economy falsehoods, out go the economic miracle myths, out goes everything EXCEPT what some academics flawed to the core viewpoints say on wiki.

But hey, they are WRONG, but that doesn't mean they are fascist loving halfwits, does it? Duh !!!!!

What a sad joke you have become. Sad





"Pinochet was not a fascist" is the stupidest line I read on here all year. And you own it.
Report northernlad5 November 26, 2013 12:06 AM GMT
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Embrace the mystery.

ole chickenshiit he embraces the smashings

a lotGrin


lets all laugh at eo
lets all laugh at eo
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Report Eeternaloptimist November 26, 2013 12:35 AM GMT
What was it about Mad Lad? You should know. You wrote:

China has a communist government, yet allows  free enterprise. Does that make them any less communist?

Didn't you feel at all foolish after reading that statement back?

Secondly, how are you managing to converse with me if you've blocked me? Grin
Report Eeternaloptimist November 26, 2013 12:37 AM GMT
As for Menochet I don't even need to think to roll you over. I just wait for you to make a stupid statement and then pick you apart. It works every time. This latest one was especially fun though. Laugh
Report Eeternaloptimist November 26, 2013 12:38 AM GMT
By the way if Mad Lad won't man up are you going to pin your colours to the mast and out these academics as fascist loving halfwits? Or don't you have the onions?
Report Eeternaloptimist November 26, 2013 12:40 AM GMT
By the way I'm still waiting on your further comments abour right wing libertarians being fascists. I rather think this will be your next opportunity to lube up. Wink
Report Menelaus November 26, 2013 12:49 AM GMT
gus asked why you keep doing this to yourself. You put your hands in your pocket, looked the other way, whistled and never answered.

Chippie answered it for you.

Chippie in Whitehall     04 Nov 13 09:42 
You know when your flush is busted you just have to throw your cards in the muck.
Constantly waving them around claiming you have a flush when we can all see you that you haven't is a sign of madness.




You are out of ammo. You have nothing left but the usual bluster and farts and the......signs of madness.

Very pleasing to watch.Grin




























Take your meds and go to bed. Try not to mutter "Melly, Melly, Melly" just before bedtime, it will help cut down the screaming during your nightmares. And let's do this all over again tomorrow again, yes?Wink
Report Eeternaloptimist November 26, 2013 12:54 AM GMT
So many questions. Never an answer. That's what cowards do Menochet but we always knew that didn't we? I'll bet you have a hundred mirrors in your house and there will be a blanket over every one. Desperate to look but afraid at the same time. How sad.
Report northernlad5 November 26, 2013 1:01 AM GMT
4 Post's desperately trying to climb out of the grave you've dug yourself.

Menelaus & I had already buried you! The internet optional posts on Pinocet-
Fascist. Fascist. Fascist. Fascist. Fascist. Fascist had originally buried you!
But your old right wing buddy grappler but the final nail in your coffin-

"Pinochet unfortunately will still look the murderous fascist he really was!".

Get someone to help you with the english. '

"pinochet a murderous fascist. yep!".


Face it, there is simply no way you can come back from those sympathetic, but truthful comments!
Report Eeternaloptimist November 26, 2013 10:50 AM GMT
I see. So allow me to clarify your position. Because grappler says he thinks that Pinochet was a fascist that means Menochet and mini me are suddenly victorious?

Rather falls down on two key aspects of logic don't you think Mad Lad?

Firstly, the point in question has gone from a discussion of opinions of whether Pinochet was a fascist to Menochet's comment about people who don't think he was a fascist being fascist loving halfwits.

Secondly, you'll have to point me to where you appointed grappler the forum oracle because I'm struggling with your hypocrisy here. Last time I looked you denounced people who held grapplers views in the most obscene terms.
Report Eeternaloptimist November 26, 2013 10:55 AM GMT
This is exactly what halfwits do when they get taken to school, they obfuscate, they misdirect, they ignore, they misunderstand, they change the subject and in the end they......LIE.

Said without a hint of irony and with hypocrisy dripping from every word. Somebody should put Menochet forward for parliament. One more lying baastard won't make much difference.
Report Eeternaloptimist November 26, 2013 11:18 AM GMT
Menochet

I'm sure some people are mesmerised by your ability to argue both sides of the coin but even they cotton on when it is pointed out to them. This one is a prime example. We spent many pages and bored everyone to death with out discussion of whether Chile's neoliberal policies of the 70's had ultimately resulted in a better Chile. Now of course because it suits your argument you now deny that neoliberalism ever existed.

Come clean now for once. You argue for me having multiple personalities on the forum because you live with them in your real life don't you? If that really is the case then let me know and I will in future treat you like the wounded troubled soul you are. I can't help you until you help yourself though. Take that first step with me brother.
Report Menelaus November 26, 2013 12:24 PM GMT
Call this number. They can help you. And it's all confidential.

http://www.ocdaction.org.uk/support-info/getting-support/help-and-informatio...
Report Eeternaloptimist November 26, 2013 1:38 PM GMT
I'm not calling them. They've done fucck all for you.
Report Menelaus November 26, 2013 1:45 PM GMT
Let me guess, Larry, you woke up this morning from another rough night muttering "Melly, Melly, Melly" between you teeth.

Awesome.

Because you'll do it again tomorrow and the day after, and the days after that.

I would be disappointed with myself if you didn't.Wink
Report Eeternaloptimist November 26, 2013 2:09 PM GMT
Nope and I'm also not the one who keeps promising to leave the thread and whose weakness is then exposed time and again when you crawl back. Seeing as you've crawled back again perhaps you could do something useful instead of blowing so hard and address the following:

Where is your evidence that the experts in fascism listed who stated that Pinochet wasn't a fascist are fascist lovers and half wits? You've provided none.

Where is your evidence that they are even wrong? You've provided none.

Where is your evidence that right wing libertarians are fascists? You've provided none.

Where is your evidence that Pinochet's economic policies weren't based on the neo liberal philosophies of the Chicago Boys? You've provided none.

You've provided nothing but pi55 wind and quotes from sixth form ranters and left wing gobshiites.
Report Menelaus November 26, 2013 4:06 PM GMT
"Pinochet was not a fascist"

I ridiculed that...

I mocked that...

I laughed at that...

I taunted that....

...and destroyed all the lame arguments you put up that he is not a fascist, before you went down the road of the "academics" cut and pastes from wiki, AND YOU HAD NO RETORT.


Is this all you have left now????


More arms waiving and saying those "experts", one of which specifically I tore her academic musings to shreds on an earlier post (the rest I couldn't be bothered but they are just as easy to debunk), ARE NOT FASCIST LOVING HALFWITS therefore I am wrong?

Is this it????


By gawd, I think it is. I put up close to 150 posts on this thread, probably a total of over 3,000 lines but the best you can do is hone in on one single line to show me how clever you really are?


THINK, you fascist loving halfwit, THINK. Dare THINK for yourself instead of letting "experts", whom you don't really know anything about other than what you came across on wiki searches, whose research you have never seen, whose evidence still remains a mystery and has never been produced, THINK for yourself.

Surprise the hell out of me one of these days and post a single thought of original THINKING. Cut and paste something from wiki while at the same time accompanying it with some critical THINKING instead of repeating it like a parrot.

And amazingly enough you keep doing that while you ignore REAL evidence on the fascist Pinochet regime which is now a matter of public record, as a matter of historical fact and record, NOT OPINION. It pains your extreme right-wing fascist loving mind too much to THINK, but rather prefer to be bamboozled by bullsh1t arguments made in flowery language by "experts" with an opinion but no published research. After all that is your own style of debating on here. ALL FLUFF AND NO SUBSTANCE.

If it makes you feel any better, you are a fascist loving halfwit, that much is for sure. Those "experts" are simply just wrong and in THE MINORITY, and the fascist loving halfwit part would depend on your perspective.

There are "academics" out there who deny the holocaust. They too are in the minority. Is that mean that we brainlessly accept what they say and assume they are right?

You would, if it fits your narrative, because that's your style. Just not me.





"Pinochet was not a fascist" is the stupidest, if not the most obscene, line I read on here all year. And you own it. Why am I not surprised?Wink
Report Menelaus November 26, 2013 4:10 PM GMT
Larry, why do I have this feeling you'll be muttering "Melly, Melly, Melly" between your rotting teeth again this evening as you struggle to get some sleep?

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Report Eeternaloptimist November 26, 2013 11:43 PM GMT
You did Menochet. You ridiculed, you mocked, you laughed and taunted. Yout put up straw man arguments and tore them down with glee. You did everything but address the issue. You know the one I made all that time ago about neo liberalism and the Chicago Boys. Sure you ran around shouting laissez faire a lot and who knows which other gullible people you conned besides Mad Lad? It doesn't amount to a hill of beans because it's just another day in Menochet World and you are hiding.
Report Eeternaloptimist November 26, 2013 11:46 PM GMT
By the way I'm waiting for those answers sucker:

Where is your evidence that the experts in fascism listed who stated that Pinochet wasn't a fascist are fascist lovers and half wits? You've provided none.

Where is your evidence that they are even wrong? You've provided none.

Where is your evidence that right wing libertarians are fascists? You've provided none.

Where is your evidence that Pinochet's economic policies weren't based on the neo liberal philosophies of the Chicago Boys? You've provided none.
Report Menelaus November 27, 2013 12:29 AM GMT
Larry, Larry, Larry, crazy Larry, why do you do this to yourself old man?

Let me get this straight, Larry.

You are now asking for evidence while ignoring all the information I already put up (complete with links) on the declassified US documents and the Peter Kornbluh research. Research which clearly describes Pinochet as a fascist. Pay particular attention to the word research; that's what we call it when someone spends countless hours going through over 3,000 documents containing over 20,000 pages and then publishes a historical account on what went down in Chile under Pinochet, according to those documents. Research, not opinion.

You also keep bringing up the "chicago boys" and their influence on Pinochet's economic policies.  As if you are some kind of expert on economics and specifically Chile's economy under Pinochet, when you didn't even know about the 1982 Chile banking crisis Shocked (and the ensuing economic depression), the most significant economic event in Pinochet's Chile, the first time we had this debate.

You do remember, Larry, yes? Of course you do, unless you suddenly developed another bad case of amnesia. You also continue to ignore the many examples I already put up of how the state under Pinochet constantly intervened in Chile's economy, in total contrast to the "chicago boys" recommended laissez-faire economic policies.

But now you ask for.......evidence?!?!?LaughLaughLaugh

So by the end of the day, Larry, as usual when you are gutted, YOU HAVE NOTHING LEFT. Only the usual bluster and farts, and asking questions as if they haven't already been answered. 

There is no definition of fascism that you can produce that exonerates Pinochet from being a fascist.  If you didn't know about the 1982 Chile banking crisis, then your knowledge of what happened to Chile's economy under Pinochet is anecdotal at best.  You can't deny that the absolute power of a dictatorial state was used to eliminate democracy and dissent, remove civil rights, commit human rights violations, torture and murder, while at the same using this absolute power to enrich the connected few at the expense of the rest of Chilean people.

In other words, Larry, you can't deny that Chile under Pinochet fits the classical definition of a fascist state. And, neither can you deny that the American documents go further than that describing him as the head of "a modern day Gestapo", a criminal secret police who committed torture and murder under Pinochet's direct orders, because those documents are now a matter of public record.

But you are still waiving your arms around saying "I won, I won, I won, those "experts", they are not fascist loving halfwits, I won". That's just crazy, Larry.CrazyCrazyCrazyCrazy



Way to go, old man, I tip my hat to you. You are the supreme spin-meister on this forum, the grand illusionist, the black belt of deception, proving yet once again that bullsh1t can indeed baffle the brain and win a debate.  The problem is that when it's only yourself that you are conning, and only your own brain that you are baffling with your own bullshit, then it's "a sign of madness".





















































I don't just slay Dragons, Larry, I rip their heart and liver out and eat it too. Wink
Report Eeternaloptimist November 27, 2013 1:26 AM GMT
You're not getting it are you Menochet? Nobody denies that Pinochet wasn't a brutal murderer and authoritarian as well. Had you left it at that you would be home and hosed. But you didn't because you can't. You have to go further. Much further. This much further for example:

Anyone who makes a statement "Pinochet was NOT a fascist" has either insanely low IQ, or is totally insane.


You've made the statement. Now you need to man up and take ownership of it and explain which of those two possible scenarios applies to people like:

Roger D. Griffin (born 31 January 1948) is a British professor of modern history and political theorist at Oxford Brookes University, England. His principal interest is the socio-historical and ideological dynamics of fascism, as well as various forms of political or religious fanaticism.

Griffin obtained a First in French and German Literature from Oxford University, then began teaching History of Ideas at Oxford Polytechnic (now Oxford Brookes). Becoming interested in the study of extremist right-wing movements and regimes which have shaped modern history, he obtained a PhD from Oxford University in 1990. In his PhD thesis he first developed his theory of fascism.[1] His best known work is The Nature of Fascism (1991).


He doesn't appear to have a low IQ and he doesn't seem insane but yet he says Pinochet wasn't a fascist.

You owe this man an explanation.
Report Eeternaloptimist November 27, 2013 1:32 AM GMT
Does this man have a low IQ or seem insane to you Menochet:

Robert Owen Paxton (born 1932 in Lexington, Virginia) is an American political scientist and historian specializing in Vichy France, fascism, and Europe during the World War II era.

Paxton was born in Lexington, Virginia. He received a B.A. from Washington and Lee University, an M.A. from Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar, and a Ph.D. from Harvard University.

Paxton taught at the University of California, Berkeley and the State University of New York at Stony Brook before joining the faculty of Columbia University in New York, where he is now Mellon Professor Emeritus of Social Science in the Department of History.

Paxton was called to testify at the trial of Maurice Papon (1910–2007), who was convicted for crimes against humanity in 1998.

In April, 2009, the French government awarded Paxton the Legion d'honneur.[1]
Career

Paxton is best known for his book Vichy France: Old Guard and New Order, 1940-1944 (1972), in which he argued that collaboration with Nazi Germany was voluntarily entered into by the Vichy government, and not forced upon it by German pressure. It is considered one of the path-breaking works on France in the Vichy era.[citation needed] Its thesis has earned respect among both American and French historians.

Paxton was the co-writer of Claude Chabrol's film, The Eye of Vichy.

Paxton has put forward a definition of fascism:

    "Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion."


I think you owe him an explanation.
Report Eeternaloptimist November 27, 2013 1:39 AM GMT
Does this woman have low IQ or seem insane to you Menochet:

Professor Anna Bull

Anna Bull
Professor of Italian History and Politics
Director of Studies Postgraduate Research

Professor Anna Bull was appointed Professor of Italian in 1996, having taught at Bath since 1987. She graduated from the University of Naples and wrote her doctorate at the University of Reading, where she subsequently held a lectureship.
Research Interests

    Italian fascism and neofascism
    The Lega Nord
    Regionalism
    Federalism
    Political cultures and identities

Teaching

She teaches a final-year option ‘Political Terrorism and its Legacy in Italy' and contributes to the Italian Politics and Society courses. She also convenes a postgraduate unit, Multi-Level Governance and Multi-Layered Citizenship in Europe and contributes to other MA units.
Publications

Her publications include From Peasant to Entrepreneur. The Survival of the Family Economy in Italy [with P. Corner] (1993), Entrepreneurial Textile Communities [with M. Pitt and J. Szarka] (1993), Social Identities and Political Cultures in Italy (2000), and [with M. Gilbert] The Lega Nord and the Northern Question in Italian Politics (2001), Italian Neofascism. The Strategy of Tension and the Politics of Nonreconciliation (2007) and [edited with G. Baldini] Politica in Italia 2008 (2009).
Jump to: Book/s | Book Sections | Articles | Reports/Papers
Book/s

Cento Bull, A. and Cooke, P., 2013. Ending Terrorism in Italy. Abingdon, U. K.: Routledge. (Routledge Studies in Extremism and Democracy; 18)

Baldini, G. and Cento Bull, A., eds., 2009. Italian Politics. Governing Fear.Vol. 24. New York and Oxford: Berghahn Books. (Italian Politics)

Cento Bull, A. and Baldini, G., eds., 2009. Politica in Italia. Edizione 2009. Vol. 25. Bologna: Il Mulino. (Politica in Italia)

Cento Bull, A., 2007. Italian Neofascism: the strategy of tension and the politics of nonreconciliation. Oxford, U. K.: Berghahn Books.

Cento Bull, A. and Giorgio, A., eds., 2006. Speaking Out and Silencing: Culture, Society and Politics in Italy in the 1970s. Vol. 12. Oxford: Legenda. (Italian Perspectives)

Cento Bull, A. and Gilbert, M., 2001. The Lega Nord and the Northern Question in Italian Politics. Basingstoke and New York: Palgrave.

Cento Bull, A., Diamond, H. and Marsh, R., eds., 2000. Feminisms and women's movements in contemporary Europe. Basingstoke: Macmillan.

Cento Bull, A., 2000. Social identities and political cultures in Italy : Catholic, Communist and Leghist communities between civicness and localism. Oxford: Berghahn Books.

Cento Bull, A. and Giorgio, A., eds., 1994. Culture and Society in Southern Italy: Past and Present. Reading: University of Reading.

Cento Bull, A., Pitt, M. and Szarka, J., 1993. Entrepreneurial Textile Communities: A Comparative Study of Small Textile and Clothing Firms. London: Chapman and Hall.

Cento Bull, A. and Corner, P., 1993. From Peasant to Entrepreneur. The Survival of the Family Economy in Italy. Berg Publishers.

Cento Bull, A., 1983. Capitalismo e fascismo di fronte alla crisi. Industria e società bergamasca, 1923-1937. Italy: Bergamo. (Collana di storia)
Book Sections

Cento Bull, A., 2011. Forced to respond to globalization: The disembeddedness of Italian industrial districts and its discontents. In: Huysseune, M., ed. Contemporary Centrifugal Regionalism: Comparing Flanders and Northern Italy. Brussels: The Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Science and the Arts, pp. 95-108.

Cento Bull, A., 2011. L'eredita' della strategia della tensione e del conflitto armato in un contesto di (non)riconciliazione. In: Mammone, A., Tranfaglia, N. and Veltri, G., eds. Un Paese normale? Saggi sull'Italia contemporanea. Milan: Baldini Castoldi Dalai, pp. 185-208.

Cento Bull, A., 2010. The legacy of the strategy of tension and the armed conflict in a context of (non)reconciliation. In: Mammone, A. and Veltri, G. A., eds. Italy Today: The Sick Man of Europe. Abingdon: Routledge, pp. 101-113.

Baldini, G. and Cento Bull, A., 2009. Governare le paure. In: Baldini, G. and Cento Bull, A., eds. Politica in Italia. Edizione 2009. Bologna: Il Mulino, pp. 53-72.

Baldini, G. and Cento Bull, A., 2009. Introduction: Governing fear. In: Baldini, G. and Centro Bull, A., eds. Italian Politics. Governing Fear. Oxford and New York: Berghahn Books, pp. 41-58.

Cento Bull, A., 2009. Neofascism. In: Bosworth, R. J. B., ed. The Oxford Handbook of Fascism. Oxford, U. K.: Oxford University Press, pp. 586-605. (Oxford Handbooks in History)

Cento Bull, A., 2009. Political violence, stragismo and ‘civil war’: an analysis of the self-narratives of three neofascist protagonists. In: Antonello, P. and O'Leary, A., eds. Imagining terrorism: the rhetoric and representation of political violence in Italy 1969-2009. Oxford, U. K.: Legenda, pp. 183-199. (Italian Perspectives; 18)

Giorgio, A. and Cento Bull, A., 2006. The 1970s through the looking glass. In: Giorgio, A. and Cento Bull, A., eds. Speaking Out and Silencing: Culture, Society and Politics in Italy in the 1970s. Oxford: Legenda, pp. 1-8. (Legenda/Italian Perspectives)

Cento Bull, A., 2005. From the Centrality of the Working Class to its Demise. The Case of Bagnoli, Naples. In: Cento Bull, A. and Giorgio, A., eds. Speaking Out and Silencing: Culture, Society and Politics in Italy in the 1970s. London: Legenda, p. 227. (Legenda Italian Perspectives)

Cento Bull, A. and Frate, M., 2003. Social Capital in the Development of the Agro Nocerino Sarnese. In: Sforzi, F., ed. The Institutions of Local Development. Aldershot: Ashgate, pp. 141-173.

Cento Bull, A., 2002. Towards a Federal State? Competing Proposals for Constitutional Revision. In: Bellucci, P. and Bull, M., eds. Italian Politics: The Return of Berlusconi. New York and Oxford: Berghahn, pp. 185-202.

Cento Bull, A., 2002. Verso uno stato federale? Proposte alternative per la revisione costituzionale. In: Bellucci, P. and Bull, M., eds. Politica in Italia. I fatti dell'anno e le interpretazioni. Bologna: Il Mulino, pp. 205-224. (Politica in Italia)

Cento Bull, A., 2001. Le strutture agrarie, il lavoro contadino e i rapporti con il sistema industriale. In: Bigazzi, D. and Meriggi, M., eds. Storia d'Italia. Le Regioni dall'Unita a oggi. La Lombardia. Turin: Einaudi, pp. 613-647.

Cento Bull, A., 2001. Social and Political Cultures in Italy from 1860 to the present day. In: Baranski, Z. and West, R., eds. Cambridge Companion to Italian Culture. Cambridge: CUP, pp. 35-61. (Cambridge Companions to Culture)

Cento Bull, A., 2000. Challenging the nation-state: the Northern League between localism and globalism. In: Bedani, G., Cainen, B. and Haddock, B., eds. The Politics of Italian National Identity: A Multidisciplinary Perspective. Wales: University of Wales Press, pp. 259-276.

Cento Bull, A., 1996. Ethnicity, racism and the Northern League. In: Levy, C., ed. Italian Regionalism. History, Identity and Politics. Oxford-Washington: Berg, pp. 171-187.

Cento Bull, A., Szarka, J. and Pitt, M., 1995. Commonalities and divergencies in small-firm competitive strategies. In: Cressey, P. and Jones, B., eds. Work and Employment in Europe. A new convergence? London: Routledge, pp. 121-142.

Cento Bull, A., Szarka, J. and Pitt, M., 1995. The entrepreneurial development of three textile and clothing communities: Como (Italy), Leicester (UK) and Lyon (France). In: Leboutte, R. and Lehners, J.-H., eds. Passé et Avenir des Bassins Industriels en Europe. Luxembourg: Centre Universitaire, pp. 161-183.

Cento Bull, A., 1994. Regionalism in Italy. In: Wagstaff, P., ed. Regionalism in Europe. Regional Aspirations in the Europe of the 1990s. Oxford: Intellect, pp. 68-83.

Cento Bull, A., 1985. Continuità e modificazioni nella geografia del voto politico in Lombardia fra primo e secondo dopoguerra. In: Agricoltura e contadini in Lombardia tra guerra e resistenza. Bologna: Il Mulino, pp. 363-380.

Cento Bull, A., 1981. L'industria nel periodo fascista. In: Bendotti, A., ed. Il movimento operaio e contadino bergamasco dall'Unità al secondo dopoguerra. Bergamo: La Porta, pp. 123-140.

Cento Bull, A., Della Valentina, G. and , L. R., 1980. L'archivio della Camera di Commercio di Bergamo. In: Quaderni di documentazione regionale.9 ed. , pp. 170-202.


I think you owe her an explanation.
Report Menelaus November 27, 2013 1:51 AM GMT
Your posts, old man, are now suffering form a severe case of Déjà vu.

You are out of ammo, Larry, you have nothing left but to keep throwing the same old spaghetti (cut & pastes about the same three people you found on wiki) on the wall and sees if anything sticks.

Read this part of one of my earlier posts again, Larry, slower this time, may be it will finally sink in.




THINK, you fascist loving halfwit, THINK. Dare THINK for yourself instead of letting "experts", whom you don't really know anything about other than what you came across on wiki searches, whose research you have never seen, whose evidence still remains a mystery and has never been produced, THINK for yourself.

Surprise the hell out of me one of these days and post a single thought of original THINKING. Cut and paste something from wiki while at the same time accompanying it with some critical THINKING instead of repeating it like a parrot.

And amazingly enough you keep doing that while you ignore REAL evidence on the fascist Pinochet regime which is now a matter of public record, as a matter of historical fact and record, NOT OPINION. It pains your extreme right-wing fascist loving mind too much to THINK, but rather prefer to be bamboozled by bullsh1t arguments made in flowery language by "experts" with an opinion but no published research. After all that is your own style of debating on here. ALL FLUFF AND NO SUBSTANCE.

If it makes you feel any better, you are a fascist loving halfwit, that much is for sure. Those "experts" are simply just wrong and in THE MINORITY, and the fascist loving halfwit part would depend on your perspective.

There are "academics" out there who deny the holocaust. They too are in the minority. Is that mean that we brainlessly accept what they say and assume they are right?

You would, if it fits your narrative, because that's your style. Just not me.




































Take your meds, Larry, and try to get some sleep, preferably without the nightmares. Relax, we can do this all over again tomorrow, because you'll wake up muttering "Melly, Melly , Melly" between your rotting teeth tomorrow morning. I guarantee it.LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Eeternaloptimist November 27, 2013 1:57 AM GMT
Does this man have low IQ or seem insane to you Menochet:

[b]Walter Ze'ev Laqueur (born 26 May 1921) is an American historian and political commentator.

Laqueur was born in Breslau, Lower Silesia, Prussia (modern Wrocław, Poland), into a Jewish family. In 1938, he left Germany for the British Mandate of Palestine. His parents, who were unable to leave, became victims of the Holocaust.

Laqueur lived in Israel from 1938 to 1953. After one year at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, he joined a Kibbutz and worked as an agricultural laborer from 1939 to 1944.[1] In 1944, he moved to Jerusalem, where he worked as a journalist until 1953, covering Palestine and other countries in the Middle East.[1]

Since 1955 Laqueur has lived in London. He was founder and editor, with George Mosse, of the Journal of Contemporary History and of Survey from 1956 to 1964. He was also founding editor of The Washington Papers. He was Director
Report Eeternaloptimist November 27, 2013 1:59 AM GMT
If it makes you feel any better, you are a fascist loving halfwit, that much is for sure. Those "experts" are simply just wrong and in THE MINORITY, and the fascist loving halfwit part would depend on your perspective.


Finally. Eleven pages of deceit and obfuscation and you cave. Shouldn't you just have done that sooner sucker?

You can say I'm a fascist loving halfwit if it pleases you because it is your prerogative to spout shiit. What you cannot and will not say as long as I am your daddy is the following:

Anyone who makes a statement "Pinochet was NOT a fascist" has either insanely low IQ, or is totally insane.

And if you do I will spank you red raw again. Sleep well. I will. Wink
Report Menelaus November 27, 2013 2:00 AM GMT
By the way, I see Anna (whatever the f/k her surname is) has published a paper on "A Comparative Study of Small Textile and Clothing Firms". Impressive !!!!

Can you post her published paper specifically on Pinochet???

What???

It doesn't exist !!!ShockedShockedShocked

I didn't think so, Larry.Grin







Besides Anna is already a burned card for you, so leave her alone. Remember this, Larry??? Oh, I'm sure you do.

Eeternaloptimist     18 Nov 13 23:50 
I defer to Anna Cento Bull Melly:

Although he was authoritarian and ruled dictatorially, Pinochet's support of neoliberal economic policies and his unwillingness to support national businesses distinguished him from classical fascists.


So you may defer to Anna, whoever she is, because it's way easier to let someone else do the thinking for you, but if Anna is a halfwit with an agenda or just plain wrong, then that makes you a dumbed down halfwit for no other reason than……...deferring.

You see, someone needs to let Anna know that when Chile's banking crisis hit in full force in 1982, when those same bankers that Pinochet gifted a perfectly healthy banking system a few years earlier (40pc discount to book value) and now through fraud and corruption (the banks reserves were nothing more than NPLs to connected elites) brought it to his knees, Pinochet INTERVENED and NATIONALIZED the banks again. He even RECAPITALIZED PRIVATE FIRMS. He then re-gifted the re-nationalized banks in the years that followed to connected elite again, while the cost of the recapitalization stayed behind with the state. Anna needs to point out to me where exactly that part covered in the handbook of "neoliberal policies", that this is what a state does in a laissez-faire free market economy, because although I have a degree in economics and I think I missed that part.

Someone also needs to let Anna know that "neoliberal policies" do not include the GOVERNMENT itself introducing a program to create 500,000 public sector jobs in response to the 1982 depression as Pinochet did in Chile. The private sector on its own is supposed to create those jobs. Anna seems to have missed that little nasty little detail when she was more than happy to distinguish Pinochet from a classical fascist because of his support of laissez-faire economics that NEVER ACTUALLY EXISTED.

Someone also needs to let Anna loan that when Pinochet took out a series of IMF loans from 1983 through to 1990 (three separate occasions) because of the wreck he made of the Chilean economy, that money went directly into bailing out connected industrialists who were drowning in bad debt and had gone bankrupt (Grupo Vial, Grupo Cruzat,  and many others) while the burden of servicing and repayment of those loans fell on the shoulders on an entire population that was getting poorer. An entire population that would now face brutal austerity so those loans could be serviced. Again, I don't know what chapter Anna read that part in the "neoliberal policies" handbook which says this is what a state that practices a free market economy does, because I have an economics degree and it's not in my textbooks.

Finally, someone also needs to tell Anna that there is a bit of a conflict in using the word "authoritarian" and "ruled dictatorially" and "neoliberal policies" in the same sentence. Because when the absolute power of a brutal dictatorial state is used to impose crony capitalism, gifting the assets that rightly belong to the people to the connected elite at massive discounts, putting the burden of international loans on the entire population to hand out money to a few connected bankers and industrialists, favouring connected elite at the expense of impoverishing the worker through social spending cuts, lower wages, and lower pensions, and at the same time committing significant human rights violations, torture and murder, we have a name for that.

WE CALL IT FASCISM.

I don't defer to anyone. I research (quite different and distinct from "search") and draw my own conclusions.

Dumbed down, fascist loving halfwits on the other hand……..
Report Eeternaloptimist November 27, 2013 2:06 AM GMT
I thought you had gone to bed sobbing Menochet. At least you finally was able to man up. Your reputation is no longer plummeting. It now sits down in a very very deep mine but at least it is somewhere. I'll bet it is a long time before you use the word anyone again. LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Menelaus November 27, 2013 2:09 AM GMT
I saw the added post and I thought you put up Anna's paper on Pinochet FFS.

Hmmm, pretty hard to do I guess, eh Larry?

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Check your heart and liver, you'll find them missing.

Pass me the Chianti, Larry.Wink
Report Eeternaloptimist November 27, 2013 2:14 AM GMT
No point. I ate your brain so your motor function will be non existent. Anyone can see that. Anyway I can see I'm just prolonging your agony. I'm off to bed. You need to stop replying to me now Menochet. You can have some more misery tomorrow.
Report Menelaus November 27, 2013 9:40 AM GMT
Come on, Larry, FFS where is that Professor Anna Cento Bull's published research, paper or book on Pinochet???Shocked

You could have put all those sleepless hours to good use doing wiki searches and put it up by now FFS !!!!

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I'll let you on a secret, Larry. You can stop looking. It doesn't exist.

You quote her opinion of Pinochet and take it as gospel, but she never specifically researched him nor did she ever write a book about him.

Peter Kornbluh did. And he says he is a murderous fascist. 

GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin


FFS, Larry, at this point I'll even settle for a copy of her massive book "The Survival of the Family Economy in Italy" or that other best seller, "Feminisms and women's movements in contemporary Europe". I won't even make your job totally impossible by requesting the legendary "A Comparative Study of Small Textile and Clothing Firms".

I mean with massive academic work like that, a study on textile and clothing firms FFS, why not take her opinion as gospel on Pinochet? It seems totally obvious to me.

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You are out of bullets, Larry. All there is left now is your humiliation and suffering.Love
Report Eeternaloptimist November 27, 2013 12:17 PM GMT
Morning gents. I'll post this one on the three relevant threads. Firstly, I'd just like to point out how well I slept last night. Laugh This morning for me the world seems a happier, nicer and brighter place. Having said that perhaps this is also a time to pause. It is a time for sombre reflection because a momentous thing happned last night and make no mistake about that.

I was searching for a boxing analogy and I was initially thinking about Frazier not coming out for the 15th in Manilla. Unfortunately that just doesn't cut it because Frazier was coming out and Eddie Futch pulled him out same as Dundee did for Ali against Holmes when he had nothing left. They were compassionate gestures towards a man who still didn't know he was beaten. No gentleman. Last night was a different thing. Last night was Duran turning his back and walking awaay from Leonard. Last night was the night of No Mas. For two years we stared. For two years we glared. For two years we fought and for two years we raged. Then came last night and No Mas.

I'm sure Menochet will bluster and blow lots in the future but things will never be the same. In one sense I'm almost sad.
Report Menelaus November 27, 2013 12:40 PM GMT
Where is Professor Anna Cento Bull's published specific research, paper or book on Pinochet, Larry???

Where the f/k is it? If it exists, let's have it.

You wouldn't just cut & paste her FLAWED opinion, without a morsel of critical thinking or validation, just because it confirms your bias, would you, Larry?

Or perhaps you thought writing about the family economy in Italy, or feminists movements in Europe and a study in small textile and clothing firms makes her an expert (as you kept calling her) on Pinochet?

That's the stuff of dumbed down fascist loving halfwits, Larry.

But then again, you already know that, don't you? Wink
Report Eeternaloptimist November 27, 2013 12:48 PM GMT
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Report Menelaus November 27, 2013 12:56 PM GMT
Where is it, Larry???

Shouting the same rubbish on three separate threads is not the answer, it's a sign of madness.

Where the f/k is Anna Cento Bull's published research, paper or book on Pinochet, if you are quoting her because she is such an "expert"???

Show me that you are not dumb enough to accept everything you come across on wiki without THINKING about it first. Because if you did, then that published work on the family economy in Italy, or feminists movements in Europe and a study in small textile and clothing firms should have sounded all kinds of alarms to your tone deaf ears.

You are out of ammo, Larry. You have nothing left.Love
Report Eeternaloptimist November 27, 2013 1:36 PM GMT
Sorry old boy but once the cat is out of the bag that is it. You're done. Finished. You don't come back from that humiliation last night. All that is left is to establish if you now have the ability to learn from your experience here and grow as a person. All this fascism stuff is and will always remain a distraction. Let it go. You got spanked by someone with a bigger and harder hand than you. Wailing about it isn't going to change what's happened to you.
Report Menelaus November 27, 2013 1:46 PM GMT
That potted human flower called blackie is upset at you, Larry, you are supposed to ignore me. He underestimated your obsession.LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

So where is, Larry?

I see all the obfuscation, arm waiving and bullsh1t you keep putting up, but I've yet to see Anna Cento Bull's published research, paper or book on Pinochet. You remember her, yes? The one you quoted as an "expert"???LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

Is it because it doesn't exist?Wink
Report Menelaus November 27, 2013 1:48 PM GMT
Since you can't find anything she published specifically on Pinochet, just cut & paste a couple of paragraphs from her study in small textile and clothing firms !!!!!

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Report Eeternaloptimist November 27, 2013 1:52 PM GMT
Enjoy your day Menochet. You aren't coming back from last night and I'm going to have a nice lunch by the sea. I'll raise a glass in your memory. Anyone but you it seems can see you're finished.
Report Menelaus November 27, 2013 1:55 PM GMT
I think Larry just cut & run instead of cut & paste this time.

Good move.

And his only move. He is out of ammo.

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Report Menelaus November 27, 2013 7:16 PM GMT
Larry is on here posting on other threads but raised a white flag on this one to………….head to the beach.

I hope Larry is using suntan lotion. That glow coming from his computer terminal can cause skin cancer.

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Report Eeternaloptimist November 27, 2013 7:54 PM GMT
I don't need or want any more from you No mas. I came for something. I took it. I don't wish to hang around to hear you bawling your eyes out. The bottom line is that you can only walk around the exercise yard banging your chest up until the point that the prison bull tears your ring piece up. You've been torn No Mas. Time for you to move on.
Report Menelaus November 27, 2013 7:58 PM GMT
Come on, Larry, FFS, how disappointing.

All those hours available to you to search while pretending you are sunbathing in Spain and still…….NOTHING !!!!

FFS, Larry, I even said I would settle for you cutting & pasting  a couple of paragraphs from her comparative study on small textile and clothing firms.

You know, because if you understand small textile and clothing firms, the Italian family economy and feminists movements in Europe, then Pinochet becomes like an open book.

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Report Menelaus November 27, 2013 8:22 PM GMT
Larry, don't raise a white flag, not so soon.Cry

I'm having so much fun.Love

I haven't even begun to mock the other two blokes you cut and pasted on here, Robert Paxton and Roger Griffin. If you think I'm having fun shredding good old Anna Cento Bull to pieces, wait until I get to them.

Only idiots cut & paste form wiki without critical thinking, Larry. And you are finding out the hard way. No wonder you are raising a white flag. Grin
Report Menelaus November 27, 2013 9:30 PM GMT
Has anyone seen, Larry????

I'm starting to get concerned FFS. I heard British tourists get mugged in Spain.

Getting mugged by me on here is one thing, but getting mugged while your (non)existent wife watches can be really traumatic. I hope he is okay.

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Report Eeternaloptimist November 27, 2013 11:11 PM GMT
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Report Menelaus November 28, 2013 12:02 AM GMT
Speechless, Larry? Why is that?

Did Anna Cento Bull cause you to raise a white flag and stop talking?

Very pleasing.Love
Report Eeternaloptimist November 28, 2013 12:48 AM GMT
Don't be coy. Take the credit. You did. When you blinked. What on earth else would we have to talk about? It was only ever about who flinched and sadly for you I was steadfast. You lost. Do I really need to keep saying this? Is the trauma not allowing your brain to compute the K.O.?
Report Eeternaloptimist November 28, 2013 12:51 AM GMT
Rest assured though. If I ever need someone to wash my jock strap I'll give you a shout.
Report Menelaus November 28, 2013 1:19 AM GMT
Larry, this thread is now by the far the most pleasing for me in all the time that I have been posting on here.

I'll tell you why.

You have always managed to wear everyone down in a debate, even when you were getting schooled on a thread. The arms waiving, the obfuscation, the misdirection, the bullsh1t, the brainless cut & pastes, and the sign of madness declarations of victory.

So much so that the other poster, just got tired of it all and left. You lost, but you wore the other poster down and they left first which gave you the excuse you needed to con everyone into believing you won. You did it to Karla on the Terry thread, you did it to Mexico on the global warming thread, you did it to me on the "water is a commodity" thread, and many others. That was always your modus operandi. Always.

Not this time thought.

Nothing worked. Not the arms waiving, not the cut & pastes, not the obfuscation, not the misdirection, not even the signs of madness. Nothing, absolutely nothing.

You got routed, you run out of bullets, you raised a white flag and left with your tail between your legs.

Which suggests to me that you may have a couple of functioning brain cells after all, because that is about the smartest thing you ever did on here as your nightmare was about to get even worse.













































Pass me the Chianti, Larry, I don't think I can eat any more of that liver.

***burb***Love
Report Eeternaloptimist November 28, 2013 10:55 AM GMT
I'll say it once more because I rather suspect you are going to remain in denial. You made a  statement that anyone who denied that Pinochet was a fascist was a fascist loving halfwit. I made it my mission to ridicule this statement. I had no idea you were going to fold and retract your statement. Had you not done so the game would be continuing now. The fact is that you did fold. You can't ask for your money back now man. Have some self respect. You fought and then your nerve failed you. Like Duran. No Mas you cried. Now you're out of the ring you're trying to get back a shattered aura.

I'll tell you what I will allow you though. I'll allow you the delusion of thinking that you've won this one. It's the least I can do. I'll never forget what happened though and neither will you. I'll remind you of your humiliation in the future.

Now if you have nothing more to offer I'll be off.
Report Menelaus November 28, 2013 1:16 PM GMT
Larry, you are all about the spin, the big lie, the slick trick, the smooth deception and nothing much more.

Your "Pinochet was not a fascist" line is the heart of this thread and this debate, and if you go back to the very first post, the reason why I started it.

I ridiculed it.

I mocked it.

I destroyed it.

I taunted you with it.

You are not even disputing it that anymore. Your lame arguments disappeared like a puff of smoke long ago on this thread.

All you have left now is the arms waiving, the obfuscation, the misdirection, the spin, the lies and the distortion and all the signs of madness. You know, all your usual stuff.

But as usual when you being spanked like a little girl, in comes the moving of the goalposts, the spin, the big lie, the grand deception.

You presented Anna Cento Bull as an expert on Pinochet and took her view as gospel. I destroyed her assertions, I destroyed the idea that she is an expert on Pinochet who should be remotely believed.

BUT…..BUT……BUT…...

As long as she is not "a fascist loving halfwit" that is all that matters to you.

It doesn't matter in your deranged mind that you based your entire defence of your moronic statement on here on quoting her flawed views, which as it turns out ARE COMPLETELY WRONG as she is no expert on Pinochet, as long as she is not a fascist loving halfwit, you win and I lose.

The other two you "experts" you quoted are no better, you raised a white flag and cut & run before I had a chance to get to them.

You need to get some perspective, Larry, because that's the stuff of lunatics.

When your enemy levels your home, destroys all that belongs to you, maims you, and pi55es on you while you are laying on the ground bleeding, saying he dirtied his shirt while doing it is not exactly winning.

That's the desperate loser talk, Larry.
















BTW, it seems you don't know your boxing either.

Duran said "no mas" because Leonard was whooping his a$$ and mocking him at the same time.

All three Judges had Leonard in front on points and it wasn't after that famous 7th round punch that pulverized Duran's face that he decided to cut & run in the very next round.

So next time you are spanked like a little girl, try avoiding cutting and running while you shout "no mas". It just shows you were getting beat.

Duran got beat and got taunted that night, so did you on this thread. Spin or no spin.
Report Eeternaloptimist November 28, 2013 1:35 PM GMT
Are you really that desperate to drag me back that you will now present yourself as an expert on boxing? Has it come to that? What you've just revealed in your desperation is that you are a thin veneer with lots of chutzpah. You don't actually know anything which you haven't researched first. That isn't intelligence. Anybody can read but only a fool would present an opinion as fact. That's your biggest weakness and one I exploit consistently. The fact that you've admitted it on this thread was all the proof I needed.

By the way I do know my boxing and Duran wasn't being whopped as you put it. He was narrowly losing a close fight with plenty of time to turn it around but because Leonard refused to fight the way Duran wanted he allowed Leonard to get inside his head and that is what ended him.

You and Duran have more in common than you think sucker. Wink
Report Eeternaloptimist November 28, 2013 1:38 PM GMT
Anyway No Mas I'm off for some lunch again. I think I'll raise a glass of champagne in your memory today. Laugh
Report Menelaus November 28, 2013 1:51 PM GMT
He was narrowly losing a close fight


I'll give you a dose of reality again, Larry. In real life there's no comfort nor glory in "narrowly" losing.

Life has winners or losers.

Losing "narrowly" still makes one a loser, while the winner walks away with all the spoils.

So spin all you like, but the "no mas" came at a point when Duran was losing the fight, and shortly after Leonard stunned him with his best punch of the night. Duran showed no heart.

Find a better example next time, that one only revealed your state of mind.

My opinion of you remains intact. You are an empty shell of an old man, with serious issues, who has never had an original thought in his life, and who built a fantasy world on a public forum to compensate.

That's not "narrowly" losing, Larry, that's just plain losing.
Report Eeternaloptimist November 28, 2013 5:18 PM GMT
How delightful. All this time I've been teaching but you haven't been learning. It took you eleven pages to be dragged kicking and screaming to the realisation that people who hold different views to your own aren't automatically stupid. It took those same eleven pages for me to drum it into your head that anyone who doesn't think Pinochet is a fascist either has  a low IQ or is a fascist loving halfwit. And what do we have here? Your first response to my Duran point has you rolling on your back with legs in the air. From being "whooped" you've caved again and accept he was indeed losing narrowly. Laugh

My job is fully complete. You have been rebuilt brick by brick. The rest is up to you.
Report Eeternaloptimist November 28, 2013 5:21 PM GMT
That reads badly but I think you'll get the point seeing as it's branded onto you.
Report Menelaus November 28, 2013 7:36 PM GMT
Larry, after a while people catch on that your loud barking is that of a Chihuahua, not a Pit Bull.

You should also know that certain obsessions are not just created by the mind, they are planted there.

I'm done with you, Larry, I gutted you enough. My job is done here, to continue this would be inhumane. 

Just try to forget about me now, Larry, it will help with the nightmares.
Report treetop November 28, 2013 10:01 PM GMT
For heaven's sake EO, give it a rest and stop indulging the clown.
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