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Eeternaloptimist
02 Oct 13 00:08
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The Daily Mail wrote en excoriating piece on the Marxist historian Ralph, Ed's father over the weekend. I didn't read it myself but my understanding is the gist of it is that whilst serving in the Navy during the war it wasn't to fight for Britain but more to stand shoulder to shoulder with his communist brethren.

They went on to quote his comments about Britain as a nation and it's people and concluded that he basically hated Britain. He aligned himself with renowned communists like Hobsbawm et al who also had some pretty horrible things to say but who were curiously silent on the Soviet atrocities committed for decades.

So should the sins of the father be visited on the son on the basis that from an early age he will have been inculcated into one of the most vile creeds known to man or should we judge him on his words and deeds?

Difficult one but I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that whilst he's a nutty lefty he is still a patriot and doesn't want to drag us back to some kind of sick man of Europe pariah status which we only emerged from thanks to the guts of one woman.

So is he patriot Callaghan or something far more sinister?
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Report Bentley Boy October 4, 2013 11:21 PM BST
I sourced the quote from Lett's.

FFS you are a complete w@nker, a man put his life on the line and you condemn him as a nation hater because Quentin Letts says he didn't support the Falklands war?

What about your lie that he only put his life at risk in support of his commie brethren.

Is that your own work?
Report Dr Crippen October 4, 2013 11:23 PM BST
It seems likely given the support that Ralph Miliband is getting, that he’d poll more votes if he was able to stand at the next GE than Red Ed might get.

How long before New Labour bring back clause 4 is the next question?
Report tonkability October 4, 2013 11:24 PM BST
Amusing thread apart from EOs scurrilous slur that I'm a brown hatter and munters accusation that I dislike Muslims.
Report Dr Crippen October 4, 2013 11:24 PM BST
In Leningrad there stands a square, we’ll keep the red flag flying there.
Report Eeternaloptimist October 4, 2013 11:27 PM BST
You seem angry Bentley. You know what they say about a problem shared. I won't judge you. Let it all out. I'm here for you brother.
Report gus October 4, 2013 11:28 PM BST
I sourced the quote from Lett's.

perhaps he means he saw it in his diary ... one of those leather bound jobs with a new thought for each day
Report Eeternaloptimist October 4, 2013 11:29 PM BST
tonks

Now now. You know this is the 21st century. We love the butt bangers these days. They can pack as much fudge as they like and I for one won't be condemning them as sordid perverts. Live and let live I say. Just don't get Crippen started. Shocked
Report Bentley Boy October 4, 2013 11:31 PM BST
No Just waiting for the evidence to back up your smears.
Lying W@nker.
Report Eeternaloptimist October 4, 2013 11:31 PM BST
No gus. I watched QT when he said it. Nobody seemed surprised. I don't think it was that much of an out there kind of feeling to want to see us get a bloody nose down there. Plenty thought it would hasten the demise of Thatcher.
Report tonkability October 4, 2013 11:32 PM BST
In Britain there stands lots of Houses owned by snide overbearing pampered private Landlords who benefit from this stupid countries obsession in subsiding
House values to the detriment of the tax payer Excited
Report tonkability October 4, 2013 11:34 PM BST
I think that will get Crippen started [:LaughLaughLaugh
Report Eeternaloptimist October 4, 2013 11:35 PM BST
Bentley

I've quoted what Lett's said. If he was wrong I don't see what I have to apologise for. If gus told me that you like dressing up in womens clothes having cucumbers rammed up your arse whilst shouting, "Daphne loves a big one" would you blame me or gus? Bearing in mind I wouldn't be the one shoving the cucumber up your sphincter you ponce.
Report gus October 4, 2013 11:36 PM BST
i don't suppose the sight of a Daily Mail coumnist slandering the dead would cause much surprise these days.
Report mickstick October 4, 2013 11:37 PM BST
What about your lie that he only put his life at risk in support of his commie brethren.

Is that your work?

No, another Daily Mail inference. They said Milliband wasn't fighting for Great Britain when he was risking life and limb, he was fighting against Nazism. It's a pity the paper didn't try harder in fighting Nazism in the 30s, might just of saved a few million lives.

Something those war heroes at the Mail thought sounded good.
Report Eeternaloptimist October 4, 2013 11:38 PM BST
I'm with you brother tonks. Let house prices half tomorrow and the joy of the nation would rise tenfold. Only the vested interests want to keep property prices artificially inflated. Imagine leaning over your garden fence and saying to your neighbour, "isn't it great? Bread has doubled in price."
Report Eeternaloptimist October 4, 2013 11:39 PM BST
mick

How do you know it is a lie? It could be. It could be a guess. It could be supposition based on what he thought of the country. It could be many things. To assert that it was a lie is a little strong I'd say.
Report Dr Crippen October 4, 2013 11:40 PM BST
''Quentin Letts made the statement and added that it is written in Ralph Miliband’s authorised biography for all to see.''


And I posted that earlier for all to see.
Report Eeternaloptimist October 4, 2013 11:41 PM BST
It's a pity the paper didn't try harder in fighting Nazism in the 30s, might just of saved a few million lives.

Interesting thought that Mick. Do you think if we had hit Hitler's troops with copies of The Mail as they marched into The Sudetenland they would have taken fright and legged it?
Report Eeternaloptimist October 4, 2013 11:42 PM BST
Damn you Crippen. We don't want facts to curtail the blood lust. Laugh
Report Dr Crippen October 4, 2013 11:43 PM BST
I'm with you brother tonks

Eo, about your recent house purchase?

Turkeys and Christmas eh?
Report tonkability October 4, 2013 11:43 PM BST
Or them chapati s and nan breads are just  now out of reach to the average man
Report mickstick October 4, 2013 11:43 PM BST
lie

A small word. One I don't use often, and haven't done so here either.

Letts interpretation of Millibands biography is not mine, and I have read it.
Report Eeternaloptimist October 4, 2013 11:46 PM BST
I'm all right Crips. I've got a tenant now and she's paying full wack. I was sweating for a while. Laugh
Report tonkability October 4, 2013 11:47 PM BST
One question would anybody truthfully politics aside trust Quintain Letts on any subject?
Report mickstick October 4, 2013 11:47 PM BST
If Herr Hitler didn't have the support of those like the Mail, he may not have even got power. The pen is mightier than the sword.
Report Eeternaloptimist October 4, 2013 11:50 PM BST
This whole thing is a bit of a storm in a tea cup really. It's a bit like an extension of those smarmy baastards who pose with their loving wife and two kids by the picket fence while behind the scenes they are rogering the coal man. Milliband had made his dad a bit of a target for scurrilous types by referencing him so much. It's nowhere near on a par to what they did to Cameron over his departed son though.
Report Eeternaloptimist October 4, 2013 11:51 PM BST
I'm trying to follow your logic there mick but, "It was The Mail wot won it" does seem a bit of a stretch.
Report Dr Crippen October 4, 2013 11:56 PM BST
mickstick what is your version of what Ralph Miliband said about us winning in the Falklands?
Report Bentley Boy October 4, 2013 11:56 PM BST
Stop wriggling w@nker and produce a shred of evidence, that in your words (and I've not seen it suggested anywhere else) that Ralph Miliband only put his life on the line to support his commie brethren.

Admit you made it up, or produce the evidence, otherwise everyone can take it for granted you're a lying w@nker.
Report mickstick October 4, 2013 11:57 PM BST
Those like the Mail, you've managed to twist to the Mail alone.

If you ever need another career, and you have had enough for one lifetime really, there would be a job for you with Mail.
Report tonkability October 4, 2013 11:58 PM BST
Right that's it enjoyed  this little sorty into the politics forum it's been a while  ya boring me now so fek off I'm off to bedski[:Wink
Report mickstick October 5, 2013 12:00 AM BST
mickstick what is your version of what Ralph Miliband said about us winning in the Falklands?

Well he didn't say BOLLUX, I wish we had lost ( Q Letts interpretation). But don't take my word for it, buy the book. Or if your a cheapskate go to the library.
Report Dr Crippen October 5, 2013 12:07 AM BST
Ed could have nipped this in the bud by simply saying that he doesn't share his father's views on communism.

But he hasn't, and he keeps mentioning his father in his speeches.

What are we supposed to think about Ed and this link to Marxism?
Report Eeternaloptimist October 5, 2013 12:09 AM BST
Bentley

It's not that I take great offence to you keep calling me a wannker. Honestly but it's just so gratuitous, unimaginative, dull and crucially lacking in humour. I'm here to laugh. To wind people up and to share political discourse of course. Just keeping insulting someone with the same line would just be boringly repetitious.

Let me explain.

Imagine I said that your mothers breath stank of cheese not because she worked for Dairy Lee but because of all the coccks she sucked.

Now that would be disgraceful but the first time it was said it would be kind of funny in like I say a disgraceful did he really say that kind of way. But if it was the 20th time I'd said it then it would be just boring and like I say gratuitously offensive.

Am I educating you?
Report mickstick October 5, 2013 12:13 AM BST
Ed could have nipped this in the bud by simply saying that he doesn't share his father's views on communism.

I have lost count of the amount of times this week alone that Ed Milliband has distance himself from his fathers political opinions.
Report Dr Crippen October 5, 2013 12:21 AM BST
mickstick got a link to any of them?
Report Eeternaloptimist October 5, 2013 12:22 AM BST
mick

He could hardly do any different given the new found scrutiny his fathers views have come under this week. He does seem to have referenced his father politically plenty previously without distancing himself. And why should he? His father was left wing. Ed wants to take the party to the left. He shouldn't be ashamed about that and should seek to convince the voters that this is in their interests and that a Labour government would be red blooded socialistic in nature.

Then he can sit back, wait and lose his deposit at the next election. Wink
Report Dr Crippen October 5, 2013 12:24 AM BST
''But Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt challenged Ed Miliband to distance himself from his father's views on capitalism, saying "Ralph Miliband was no friend of the free market economy... I've never heard Ed Miliband say he supports the free market economy."

That was on Tuesday.
Report Eeternaloptimist October 5, 2013 12:28 AM BST
Kick em in the balls Crips and stick the toe capped ones on for Bentley. Shocked
Report macarony October 5, 2013 8:00 AM BST
Most if not all of the socialist political elite hate Britain, yet still strangely still live here.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. October 5, 2013 9:56 AM BST
The Mail once again have acted as a public service unlike the BBC ,this of course is all about warning the population about the evils of socialism most recently visited in the seventies.

Of course this Commy Adolph Miliband was a nation hater,he hated our country,he supported the evil communist ideology which St Margaret defeated in this country,they are only protecting her legacy.

People need reminding that socialism almost destroyed our country last time it surfaced and REd is an advocate of this backward and self defeating brand of politics.  The Mail are only reminding people of the evils.
Report Dr Crippen October 5, 2013 10:22 AM BST
Socialist do hate their own countries, you only have to look at immigration for the evidence.

What other reason could they have for setting up such an explosive situation of cramming people from different cultures together in our towns.
The must be trying to turn the UK into another Middle East.
Report macarony October 5, 2013 10:38 AM BST
From the socialists dream of multi ethnic socialist paradise here in Britain, sorry to say that its never going to work, it wont work for the same reasons communism never worked on a national scale.
The problem the communists and now the socialists have is a large proportion of the population are against their ideology. My advise to the political elite is rather than waste your time and everybody else’s trying to impose your will on a unwilling nation, they should go off somewhere new and create their own socialist utopia.
Report Dr Crippen October 5, 2013 10:46 AM BST
they should go off somewhere new and create their own socialist utopia.

macarony they can't do that because they wouldn't have anyone to steal from.

Socialists need others to earn the money so that they can spend it.
Report grappler October 6, 2013 10:41 PM BST
ive come to this late, and cant be arsed reading the inevitable bollox of the wanchors who have posted, but the sins of the father cannot be projected on to the offspring, however much we suspect his malign influence. it is a desperate and unfair strategy. the mail has made a big booboo.

but milliband senior was guilty of supporting regimes that imprisoned and murdered 'enemies of the people' purely on the grounds of their family connections. thats right, if you were a child or close relative of a condemned person, you would be persecuted, sent to a labour camp, and if you resisted, killed.

what a grotesque irony.
Report bazzar October 14, 2013 6:22 PM BST
The owner of the DAILY MAIL supported HITLER along with the Royal who abdicated, we were told it was because he wanted to marry a divorcee, but it was probably his support for HITLER which did him.
Report grappler October 18, 2013 1:22 AM BST
according to baz, a member of the ruling class was ostracised because of his right-wing views. good. i'm sure you agree.

if only those of left-wing views had beeen similarly treated, the world would be a better place, and there would be many more people in it, given the socialist appetite for slaughter.
Report cryoftruth October 18, 2013 11:19 PM BST
Socialist do hate their own countries,

I have never ever seen such stupid bilge as this.

Crippen you are a very very stupid person if you believe what you posted.

Bevan, Benn, William Morris, John Ruskin, Alexander MacDonald, Kinnock, Foot, even Ramsay MacDonald, and many m,any thousands of others incluing at least 40% of the population after WW2 were socialists.

And you think they all "hated " Britain.

What a dumb and fololish idiot you are!

Aneurin Bevan, who founded the NHS - a socialist who so obviously hated his country so much he tried to help his people into good health.

You are an utter buffoon.
Report cryoftruth October 18, 2013 11:20 PM BST
And of course the good patriotic cpaitalsts like Freddy Goodwin and his banker chums so love British people and their country that they trousered millions at the expense of their fellow citizens.
Report cryoftruth October 18, 2013 11:24 PM BST
Oh yes and Cameron and his cronies from Eton. Thney love our country so much that they rip us all off, getting party funding from foreigners and blocking limits to banker bomuses whilst cuddling up to Russian mafia, and defending the scandalous rip offs by their mates in the Energy giants.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. October 19, 2013 5:04 PM BST
As the floodgates opened to new arrivals the very fabric of our country was transformed. Vast swathes of urban Britain became like a foreign land. Social cohesion collapsed. British workers were thrown on the economic scrapheap. No occupying foreign invader could have done more damage to Britain than the treacherous, unpatriotic governments of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. There is now growing public fury and despair over what has happened to our once well-ordered nation.

Opinion polls show that immigration has become the most important issue for the electorate, while the dramatic rise of the UK Independence Party has been partly fuelled by anger over the unceasing influx.

In a cynical bid to capitalise on this public backlash Labour leader Ed Miliband now pretends that his party has adopted a new approach to immigration. The old days of supporting open borders have gone, he promises. In comes a supposedly tougher strategy that puts the interests of the British people first. It would be hard to conceive of a more shameless exercise in political deceit than this last farrago of drivel from Miliband. Labour has not changed from the dark days of Brown and Blair.

An ideological attachment to mass immigration and multi-culturalism is written into the party’s DNA. What Miliband is really trying to do is not proclaim a new policy but to mislead the public. A ll his traits of hypocrisy, duplicity and opportunism were on full display in his party political broadcast last night. He said with phoney candour that Labour “got it wrong on immigration”. Laugh

What a grotesque understatement.

In truth Labour almost wrecked our nation with their aggressive social revolution, in which the rate of immigration was deliberately cranked up to almost 600,000 new arrivals every year.

Our democracy has been subverted by tribalism at the ballot box, our justice system by sharia law. Vicious misogyny is rampant, reflected in the appalling incidence of honour killings and forced marriages. Incredibly the Home Office estimates that 24,000 girls in this country are at risk every year from the barbaric practice of female genital mutilation. Miliband’s blatherings last night would have been laughable were they not so offensive. He proclaimed in his broadcast that it is “not prejudiced” to worry about immigration yet Labour always painted critics of its open-door policy as xenophobes and racists.

“A bigoted woman,” was Gordon Brown’s notorious description of Rochdale voter Gillian Duffy when she dared to express her concerns about immigration. Only a few months ago Labour-run Rotherham council removed a child from the care of a couple who happened to be Ukip voters and were therefore deemed by the municipal race commissars to be unfit for the role of foster parents.

Miliband’s party has spectacularly betrayed the very people it is meant to support.
That is the climate of institutionalised bullying that Labour created right across the civic bureaucracy, with their endless equality programmes and propaganda. Miliband concluded his broadcast by spouting the predictable cliché, “ diversity makes us a successful country”. That is patently nonsense. Britain was a far more successful country when we had a settled population.

The era of mass immigration has led to an almost permanent economic crisis and falling living standards, not least because of the intolerable strain on our public infrastructure and the welfare state.

Indeed Miliband blithely ignored the reality that our lax benefits system has acted as a magnet for huge numbers of immigrants, especially in terms of housing and child allowances. What is remarkable is that Labour was founded at the beginning of the last century to represent the British working class.

But Miliband’s party has spectacularly betrayed the very people it is meant to support. Miliband was Gordon Brown’s key ally yet the economic model they devised was expensive lunacy: importing millions of people, most of them from Asia and Africa, to provide cheap labour while keeping five million Britons of working-age on the dole. It might have been economic insanity but Labour had their own narrow political reason for pushing ahead with mass immigration.

The fact is that 80 per cent of migrants vote Labour so the party hugely expanded its client base by demolishing our borders. In addition there was the ideological impulse. Contemptuous of Britain’s heritage, riddled with guilt about our past, filled with Marxist notions about victimhood and discrimination they were determined to refashion our society along the lines of their ideology.



So the twin forces of mass immigration and multi-culturalism were used as weapons to create “a new social order” to quote the chilling words of Labour’s Deputy Leader Harriett Harman , Miliband was one of the architects of Labour’s immigration disaster. His broadcast should be treated with the same scorn that his party showed in office towards Britain’s national integrity.
Report Just Checking October 19, 2013 6:17 PM BST
cryoftruth :"Oh yes and Cameron and his cronies from Eton. Thney love our country so much that they rip us all off, getting party funding from foreigners and blocking limits to banker bomuses whilst cuddling up to Russian mafia, and defending the scandalous rip offs by their mates in the Energy giants. "
Where do you begin with this?
1. "Oh yes and Cameron and his cronies from Eton." Merely chippy prejudiced hating and bigotry towards "posh" people.
2. "Thney love our country so much that they rip us all off". No, they don't.
3. "and blocking limits to banker bomuses" And rightly so. The bonuses earned in a free coutnry are nobody else's business but the employer and the employee. Chippy leftist failures don't understand that, they just hate anyone earning more than them. Which is of course most people.
4. "defending the scandalous rip offs by their mates in the Energy giants." What rip offs? They make about 4-5% profit.
   All the companies keep stating that 85% of the bill is outwith their control and NOBODY not even the minions of Red Ed have contradicted that, so it can be assumed to be correct. The minions of Red Ed just ignore facts and hand out pitch forks to the baying mob populated with the likes of "Cryofignorance"...
Report lfc1971 October 19, 2013 6:35 PM BST
lots of commies in cambridge.
Report northernlad5 October 20, 2013 7:57 AM BST
If I was Ed, I'd be shouting [i]"My father was a Marxist!" from the rooftops! And be damn
proud of it!

English atheist fundamentalist, Professor Richard Dawkin's, ancestors where slave traders, but we hear no criticism of him or them from neo-Nazi rag The Mail.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. October 20, 2013 10:03 AM BST
Yes but REd is not stupid like you he needs to trick the voters into voting for him,but yes you are right for once, he is a Commy with similar views to you and the Commy Coward ,you all hate and discriminate against the English people.


67% of people can see this and probably something like 80% of English people.
Report northernlad5 October 20, 2013 1:50 PM BST
But what do the Somalian immigrant community in Britain think?

You left that out!

LaughLaughLaugh
Report susie October 21, 2013 11:55 AM BST
just checking:
Most people and most businesses have suffered increased costs/expenses and had to absorb it.
A small minority think they should be exempt.

If we put up our prices, no amount of "we are not getting most of it" or "we only make 5%" and other hollow attempts at justification will stop our customers getting a quote elsewhere.

It is a free market. Except for the energy companies.
Advice like "Switch your supplier" from the Tories show how out of touch they are. By the time we transfer from British Gas to npower the prices are back in line.

The Torys are out of line with the public on this.
Report Java October 21, 2013 1:00 PM BST
Of an energy bill, 5% is profit, 5% is tax, 10% is to fund green initiatives (ironically implemented by two-faced Miliband).

So maybe the voters should be looking more at the idiot government imposing 15% of the tariff rather than an energy company earning 5%.

As usual, the government is to blame for this.

The Tories are out of line with the public I'd agree, but only because the public are morons and fall for whatever populist, hyprocritical, idiotic, focus-group led statement Miliband wants to make.
Report Java October 21, 2013 1:01 PM BST
For an example voter that Miliband might be targetting, see Cryoftruth's post.
Report Just Checking October 21, 2013 1:17 PM BST
"The Tories are out of line with the public I'd agree, but only because the public are morons and fall for whatever populist, hyprocritical, idiotic, focus-group led statement Miliband wants to make."

This is a very shrewd and accurate summary.

Here's a thought. Given the furore over this, and the power companies saying 85% of the bill is beyond therr control, where is the proof otherwise? Where are the investigative reporters with crack accountants destroying this? Have they even TRIED it? Has some Mirror or Grauniad hack engaged with an industry expert and trusted accounancy firm and proved this 85% figure is wrong? OR that the power companies are pocketing far more profit than declared? I've not heard it. It wouldn't surpise me if they did look into it and could find nothing so said nothing rather than admit they found nothing. It would make a great story, it's an open goal waiting to be scored.

So I'm guessing the answer to this is that the 85% figure is correct. The profits are correct. And so, it's just, as Java says, the tabloids and Miliband targetting "morons .. with populist, hyprocritical, idiotic, focus-group led statements".

Oh and while I'm at it the utter b/s last week about jumpers was beyond parody. Some reporter presses some spokesman as to whether people should wear jumpers when it's cold, spokesman ignores question then eventually says something like "probably it's a good idea", and then there's a hysterical amount of ridiculous BS about "out of touch Cameron telling people to wear jumpers". The press (and Labour) in this country are a shocking dishonest idiotic disgrace...
Report susie October 21, 2013 1:54 PM BST
Plenty of insults from the tory spokespeople.

Our business like most small businesses is having to absorb increases in materials, rent, rates, insurance, and power bills.

If we put up our prices, no amount of "we are not getting most of it" or "we only make 5%" and other hollow attempts at justification will stop our customers getting a quote elsewhere.


We absorb it to survive. "Idiotic" we probably are for continuing to maintain our service and provide employment.

There was a time when the Tory Party was about small businesses; now seems to be about City boys.
Report Just Checking October 21, 2013 6:43 PM BST
The thinking here is basically: "ignore any material facts or anything to do with reality, conclude that because price rises are bad, and the price rises are issued by big companies, then it must be because of some deliberate nastyness by big companies, who are after all big companies in a capitalist system, and therefore must be bad guys! And somehow in cahoots with the Tories! There's only so much hate that can be directed at Bankers, a new target is required!"

So yes it is idiotic.

"There was a time when the Tory Party was about small businesses; now seems to be about City boys."

Please explain for all of us, what the Tories could do, APART from removing the green subsidies and tax as already indicated, as put in place by Labour in the first place? What magic wand would be waved to lower the wholesale Gas prices, given we're heavily reliant on Gas now (after Energy policy under ... Labour)?
Report susie October 22, 2013 1:07 PM BST
Material facts?
They are with my accountant. I could get him to do a pie chart showing that the government get more out of the business than me, that I have been unable to maintain profit levels due to rising costs; but everybody in the real world knows that.
To produce a pie chart proving it and expect  people to think it justifies a 10% price increase is naive. Everybody managing a tight budget knows that.
What can the Tories do?
Well for a start don't forget the Lib dems, the Tories are reliant on them.
What can the Tories do about over riding the EC on bankers bonuses? What can they do about getting people in Social Housing to downsize when there are few smaller buildings? What could Mrs Thatcher do when the Argentinians invaded British Territory thousands of miles from home?

There is always an excuse for doing nothing.

Incidentally the call for power companies to absorb part of the increase from their profits was in the Mail on Sunday.
The paper of "idiotic" "morons" and marxists??
Report A.H HUNTER esq. October 23, 2013 6:27 PM BST
The Daily Mail has refused to apologise for calling Ed Miliband’s late father “The Man Who Hated Britain”, printing the Labour leader’s right of reply next to an accurate article on Ralph Miliband, and a lengthy comment piece defending the Mail’s view.
In a 1,000 word essay, Miliband called the Mail article a “character assassination”, and stressed how his father had loved Britain after coming here during the Second World War.


But the Mail printed a lengthy editorial of its own next to the piece in Tuesday’s paper, entitled “An evil legacy and why we won’t apologise.”
“Today, we stand by every word we published on Saturday, from the headline to our assertion that the beliefs of Miliband Snr ‘should disturb everyone who loves this country’.”

The paper called Miliband’s response “tetchy and menacing”, teasing that “Red Ed’s in a strop with the Mail”.
“What is blindingly clear from everything he wrote throughout his life is that he had nothing but hatred for the values, traditions and institutions — including our great schools, the Church, the Army and even the Sunday papers — that made Britain the safe and free nation in which he and his family flourished.
“That’s why the Mail — which is not Pravda — said that readers who love this country would be truly disturbed if they understood about Miliband’s father’s views.
Report Whisperingdeath October 24, 2013 12:44 PM BST
Miilbands father was fair game but the argumment was skewed.  I hate Britain when it treats it's people like serfs and allows the rich and privieged to get away with sqeezing them till the pips squeak.  Why shouldn't Milliband Snr hate the Britain that had a Nazi sympathising ex King waiting to come back.

Their headline and attack was just political propaganda against Milliband Jnr.  Then they argue about the need for a free press!  It isn't free when people like Rotheremere and Murdoch propogate their own wishes ad desires.  They need taking down in a fit and proper test. 

As for that great patriot Rothermere...no representation without taxation!  Start paying your fair share and stop being a parasite!
Report susie October 24, 2013 4:16 PM BST
Please explain for all of us, what the Tories could do,

I think the Mail on sunday, John Major, and david cameron have answered that.

Personally I think just checking's response was more resolute, and more dignified than Cameron's "policy on the hoof" response, and outburst.

If only Major could return and teach these arrogant boys a lesson.
Pandering to your core vote only wins you the wooden spoon, preached John.
A lesson for the lads who assume that if most of the country disagree with you , no need to reconsider your position; they are morons and idiots.
Report northernlad5 October 24, 2013 5:36 PM BST
Susie,
"A lesson for the lads who assume that if most of the country disagree with you , no need to reconsider your position; they are morons and idiots".

And like Major allow meltdown, an opposition landslide, giving them power for thirteen years.

Very shrewd political strategy that!
Report A.H HUNTER esq. October 24, 2013 6:21 PM BST
You ain't seen nothing yet ,the press will seek revenge on Labour for their betrayal after they courted the Murdoch empire to gain power ,I will never forget the "Sun" headline that eliminated Kinnock "will the last person to leave Britain please turn the light out"


   REd will unravel of that I have no doubt ,he is useless.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. November 3, 2014 11:37 PM GMT
Ralph Milliband wrote that the Englishman is a “rabid nationalist” and “you sometimes want them almost to lose (the war) to show them how things are”.


So he hated us so much he was backing Hitler against the country which gave him sanctuary?
Report Eeternaloptimist November 3, 2014 11:48 PM GMT
In getting on for a cntury not very much has changed really Hunter. These Luvvie Labour lot still treat the working people as an embarrassment to be soft soaped at elections and then shiit on the rest of the time. Nobody should ever forget Bigot gate because that showed their true colours. Smiling their shiit eating grins when the cameras are rolling and then sticking the knives in when they think the cameras are off
Report ebulGery November 4, 2014 11:13 AM GMT
Nobody is responsible for their parents...it is physically impossible

Parents are responsible for their children
Report Dr Crippen November 4, 2014 12:25 PM GMT
Most parents have a strong influence in forming their children's views.
And they are in a position to get it in first before the child has considered any others.
So you always have to take into account a person's parents when weighing people up, because their parents tend to have a strong influence on them.

Someone born with a silver spoon in their mouth will never be able to completely take it out.
And if you take someone out of the gutter, you still can't take the gutter out of the person.
Report ebulGery November 4, 2014 12:51 PM GMT
I still prefer to judge people by what they are...not what their parents were

Anyway a lot of people believed in communism, some of us still do, does not make one a bad person
Report Eeternaloptimist November 4, 2014 4:15 PM GMT
The only thing we know about Milliband is that he's a politician and therefore a liar ebul. All we really know is that he will have been indoctrinated with Marxist principles with his mothers milk. Of course seeing as he will be an unprincipled rogue he could have thrown his left wing upbringing overboard as soon as he got the gullible unions to vote for him.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. November 4, 2014 7:09 PM GMT
ebulGery 04 Nov 14 11:13 Joined: 08 May 10 | Topic/replies: 15,591 | Blogger: ebulGery's blog
Nobody is responsible for their parents...it is physically impossible

Parents are responsible for their children

  You nailed it ebul.  Father and son both nation haters.
Report A.H HUNTER esq. May 8, 2015 4:27 PM BST
It wos the Daily Mail that won it Laugh.

  Three cheers.
Report susie May 11, 2015 11:39 AM BST
Agree Mr Hunter, but credit to the papers owned by Murdoch and Bentley etc. The thought of tax clampdowns on off shore operators caused them to mobilise every weapon in the book; under the cloak of what is good for "YoU".

The ends justify the means:
Ed's Dad
Ed eating a bacon sandwich
Prefer saville to baby sit
Poor old grannies scared witless by Mansion tax
Ed lives in a big house (no mention of Dave or Gideon's)
Ed's kitchen is naff (i.e. not claimed as much on exes)
The usual replacement of greed for success

etc. it all helped. It's a dirty business, and this was a dirty campaign. Once Murdoch told Dave to be more aggreesive that was it.

Wheeling out Blair to remind people of the last Labour administration did was of course a gift.

I did not envisage the LibDems would take quite the hammering they did for their treachery. But like New Lab. why vote Tory lite when you could have the real thing.?

I saw UKIP as the only party offering an anti EU stance, and a controlled immigration stance. Like 4 million others we have 1 MP. :-)
Report Alias May 11, 2015 3:05 PM BST
By the way for gus' assistance Britain did fight the war without communist assistance until the old pals act of Hitler and Stalin fell out. Like I always see communism is far closer to fascism than democracy.


EO. Your second sentence is flimsy opinion. Your first one ignores completely the FACT that without the USSR, the war would have lasted much longer, and quite possibly in defeat for the allies. Stalingrad was THE turning point in the European war. This remains true whatever your opinion of Communism.
Report Eeternaloptimist May 11, 2015 4:37 PM BST
All your post is opinion Alias. I was the only one stating facts. When Hitler and your old buddy Stalin were cosying up with their little deal we were going toe to toe with Hitler. Only when Hitler ratted did they fall out. Till then they were like pigs in shiit together.

Now if you don't mind a bloodbath I'll be more than happy to take you to school on why the two philosophies have more in common with each other than democracy. Oh yes, I am more than willing to metaphorically spill your blood all over the forum.

Step up to the plate if you want to take your shot at the title sucker But I warn you it won't be pretty and you'll never be the same. Wink
Report A.H HUNTER esq. May 11, 2015 5:37 PM BST
Susie would that because you chose to only read about kitchens and also chose to ignore the articles on the economy,immigration and the Pakistani grooming gangs who were encouraged by Labour?
Report Alias May 16, 2015 11:49 AM BST
Step up to the plate if you want to take your shot at the title sucker But I warn you it won't be pretty and you'll never be the same


Like most of your stuff EO, utter bilge. Another little Englander who can't or won't face the  reality of history. I'm no Stalinist, but you are a remnant of empire, as is the so-called United Kingdom. The point is that the USSR made a huge contribution to the defeat of Nazi Germany. We know the history of the Molotov/Ribbentrop pact, but undeniably the consequences after the invasion of the USSR by Germany were to the inestimable benefit of GB.
Report pawras May 16, 2015 12:00 PM BST
and you're not a little jocklander ????
Report Alias May 16, 2015 3:33 PM BST
Bet I'm bigger than you.Silly
Report pawras May 16, 2015 4:36 PM BST
Laugh

my dad's bigger than your dad
Report Facts May 16, 2015 4:58 PM BST
.........: "You're a big man but you're in bad shape. For me it's a full- time job. Now behave yourself."..........
Report pawras May 16, 2015 5:05 PM BST
Ah Get Carter, class film, did you know that in the book it's actually set in Doncaster and he doesn't die at the end because there's a sequel, haven't read that though.

Even the music was top stuff.
Report Facts May 16, 2015 5:25 PM BST
'........The novel, originally titled "Jack's Return Home," was translated into a successful and popular cult movie starring Michael Caine. There is backstory here involving Jack and his brother and their childhood experiences that does not appear in the film, and it is revealed that Jack may in fact be the father of Frank's daughter, Doreen. But much of the no-nonsense dialogue in the movie is taken directly from the book. The talk is pungent, confrontational, nasty, and memorable. This is hard-edged stuff, beginning to end, but makes for a very compelling read. The author, Ted Lewis, wrote seven novels before his premature death at the age of 42, including two sequels to "Get Carter," which are scheduled to be reprinted later this year......'
Report pawras May 16, 2015 5:36 PM BST
obv you get a lot more back story and characterisation in the book but the (orig) film is very true to the book, the bit where he stabs the guy in back yard of the bookies is quite gritty

give me a film like that over cgi bullsh&t any day
Report pawras May 16, 2015 5:53 PM BST
If you like Get Carter, you should like "Dead Mans Shoes"
Report susie May 16, 2015 11:09 PM BST
Mr Hunter,
I think I have answered your question

I saw UKIP as the only party offering an anti EU stance, and a controlled immigration stance.
Report Facts May 16, 2015 11:21 PM BST
Pawras

Yep, Dead Mans Shoes is very good. Have the DVD as part of a box set of Shane Meadows films.


Did you like Michael Caine in Harry Brown ?
Report boxingthefox May 16, 2015 11:27 PM BST
Watch out guys orsoncart will be here any time, he threatened to "do me" on another fred
Report Orsoncart May 16, 2015 11:34 PM BST
Rent boy alert
Report boxingthefox May 16, 2015 11:55 PM BST
IS THAT IT!! is that the best you can come up with, you cooont. I will sort you out, how about we agree to meet for a mutual discussion, to see who is the greater intellect, or better still, I just beat the cr@p  out of you. Your choice, I bet you prefer talkingLaughLaughLaugh
Report Eeternaloptimist May 17, 2015 1:19 AM BST
It's getting a bit too tasty round here for my liking. There'll be shooters and pliers coming out next. Mark my words.
Report Facts May 17, 2015 5:53 AM BST
Lol. Politics brings the best out in people imo.
Report pawras May 17, 2015 9:32 AM BST
Facts - you'll have seen "A Room For Romeo Brass"  & "This Is England" as well then. Yeah I liked "Harry Brown" but didn't think it was as good as "Get Carter" or "Dead Mans Shoes"
Report Burton-Brewers May 17, 2015 10:17 AM BST
the wife's cousin was in A Room For Romeo Brass and Dead Mans Shoes
Report A.H HUNTER esq. May 17, 2015 12:06 PM BST
Fucts you belong on chit-shat forum.
Report Burton-Brewers May 17, 2015 12:14 PM BST
just block the kn0bhead everyone else has
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