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Comrade_Karla
05 Jul 11 20:48
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1. Capitalism has clearly failed. It's a system built upon the exploitation of anyone regardless of any social or environmental hazard. It's time to reverse this. Human-beings and the environment first, profit last. All banks must be closed in their present model and replaced by the Banco Sur model, no exceptions.
2. End of the Monarchy. Give Elizabeth £1 million and send her on her way, the rest get nothing. Give the people ownership of the Palaces and confiscate all the wealth that they have stolen over the centuries. The people can decide what to do with the properties, hospitals,schools. retirement homes, anything we choose.
3. Children educated at Independent ( fee paying ) schools will be banned from holding any public office for a period of 2 Parliaments. To be reviewed in 10 years. All public office positions will be for 2 terms only, no more lifetime jobs being a corrupt politician.
4. Introduce PR.
5. Abolish the House of Lords, withdraw and make redundant all associated titles.
6. Close every tax loophole there is. Profit made in this country is subject to taxation here. Confiscate any business that refuses to comply and give it to a Cooperative that will happily comply.
7. Build less bombs and more schools.
8. Invade no more countries, instead employ more Doctors,Teachers,Lecturers, etc etc.
9. Only invest in renewable energy sources, the rest to be phased out as soon as possible.
10. Ban Lobbyists, a parasitical enemy of democracy.



Much more needs adding, but as a work in progress it's possibly a good start. I'm hoping to find some like-minded people on here who believe primarily in Human-Beings rather than profit and right-wing dogma to discuss with further.

All the best

CK.

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By:
flushgordon1
When: 05 Jul 11 20:58
doctors teachers and lecturers will form the home guard?
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 05 Jul 11 21:08
Capitalism has failed?  Which country had it?
By:
Comrade_Karla
When: 05 Jul 11 21:09
I speak of our invasion forces, not the home guard.
By:
Comrade_Karla
When: 05 Jul 11 21:10
Why are you named after a Nazi war criminal?
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 05 Jul 11 21:26
I look a bit like him in his younger days and the delightful trading floor gave me the nickname.  The similarities end there.
By:
Dr J
When: 05 Jul 11 21:30
1. Capitalism has clearly failed. It's a system built upon the exploitation of anyone regardless of any social or environmental hazard. It's time to reverse this.

I'd favour a regulated form of capirtalism over any sort of state control. What has failed is under-regulared, anything-goes capitalism. That's what needs to be fixed.

2. End of the Monarchy.

Yes.

3. Children educated at Independent ( fee paying ) schools will be banned from holding any public office for a period of 2 Parliaments. To be reviewed in 10 years.

Good.

Let's also remove the charitable status of private schools please.

4. Introduce PR.

Naturally.

5. Abolish the House of Lords, withdraw and make redundant all associated titles.

Yes please.

6. Close every tax loophole there is. Profit made in this country is subject to taxation here. Confiscate any business that refuses to comply and give it to a Cooperative that will happily comply.

How anyone could oppose the closing of tax loopholes for corporate scroungers I don't know.

7. Build less bombs and more schools.

And let's have the new schools operating on a level playing field, irrespective of faith, wealth or status.

8. Invade no more countries,


Fine.

9. Only invest in renewable energy sources, the rest to be phased out as soon as possible.

I still have some sympathy for nuclear, but okay.

10. Ban Lobbyists, a parasitical enemy of democracy.

Yes.

A very pleasing list indeed, Comrade Karla.
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 05 Jul 11 21:31
What has failed is under-regulared, anything-goes capitalism.

Where had that?
By:
Dr J
When: 05 Jul 11 21:32
I look a bit like him in his younger days and the delightful trading floor gave me the nickname.

What made you keep this nickname, as opposed to castigating your stupid colleagues for their ignorance, crassness and insensitivity? 

A brighter, braver man would have had their blood on the trading floor...
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 05 Jul 11 21:33
A lot of the salespeople are Jewish and this helps scare them when I don't want to do a deal.
By:
Dr J
When: 05 Jul 11 21:37
Well, if you're the kind of man who'll turn genocide to his advantage, I suppose that's jolly good going.

Like I say though, a brighter, braver man would have had their blood on the trading floor.
By:
Comrade_Karla
When: 05 Jul 11 21:46
So you trade in a zero-sum **** game that has gone from socially useless to socially harmful and you bear a resemblance to Göring. Any redeeming features?
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 05 Jul 11 22:00
It's not zero sum, you're just another pleb that thinks all banking is speculating.
By:
flushgordon1
When: 05 Jul 11 22:03
so your an ugly bastid goryLaugh
By:
cryoftruth
When: 05 Jul 11 22:11
Goring

I don't think anyone thinks that banking is all speculating. However a number of bankers got very rich speculating on a no lose gamble - the tax payers pay if the bankers lose and the rest of us suffer.
By:
flushgordon1
When: 05 Jul 11 22:32
ok i will go along with that as long as you dont hang that ugly bastid gory near where i live.
By:
Bentley Boy
When: 05 Jul 11 22:44
Welcome aboard Comrade Karla, a pleasing and desirable list indeed.
By:
Comrade_Karla
When: 05 Jul 11 22:51
I'd favour a regulated form of capirtalism over any sort of state control.

Why? Capitalists simply corrupt regulators to their own ends. Regulators are meant to be an extension of the state anyway, so why not just let the state get on with it. Outsourcing to regulators is just a cop-out for when it all goes wrong. The state must be in control and then accountable if anything goes wrong. When is the last time you knew of a regulator being booted from office by the people as a result of their failings? When is the last time you knew of a regulator taking any real responsibility for their failings? They don't, they just replace them with the next batch who are swiftly corrupted.
By:
Dr J
When: 05 Jul 11 23:02
Why? Capitalists simply corrupt regulators to their own ends.

Doubtless this is what has been happening, but it's not an inevitability and other nations maintain regulatory independence much better than ours.

Regulators are meant to be an extension of the state anyway, so why not just let the state get on with it. Outsourcing to regulators is just a cop-out for when it all goes wrong. The state must be in control and then accountable if anything goes wrong.

I agree with the last bit, but I do believe that properly regulated market places are often preferable to state monopolies. I think each case needs to be taken individually and being too ideological is dangerous.

The railways, the buses, the private utilities would be better off in state hands. Capitalism has failed to serve the public there. But that doesn't mean that regulated competition can't work in any sector. A trivial example would be bookmaking, where I doubt any of us would want a shift to a more European system.

When is the last time you knew of a regulator being booted from office by the people as a result of their failings? When is the last time you knew of a regulator taking any real responsibility for their failings? They don't, they just replace them with the next batch who are swiftly corrupted.

Spot on, but that's because successive govts were duped into believing that regulators should climb into bed with industry. I'd at least try fixing that problem before advocating state ownership.
By:
the loser
When: 05 Jul 11 23:31
Capitalism has clearly failed

No , it hasn't  - its provided a ranting imbecile like yourself with an affordable [ if not very cheap ] computer for a start and probably all the other bourgeois fripperies that  armchair revolutionaries like yourself enjoy so much.

I haven't laughed  so much for ages.
By:
Comrade_Karla
When: 05 Jul 11 23:35
I suspect we will agree on much more than we disagree on, but in some ways you remind me of my last boyfriend who was far too forgiving of these Capitalists for their crimes. They only care for profit, not about us, not about the planet, they don't care about future generations, the bottom line is their bottom line. All that matters to them is the accumulation of things, the endless chase of materialism, the total disregard for all things humane and moral in favour of the latest status symbol or selfish desire. Through their corrupt and immoral behaviour they shape society likewise, this has to be halted if decent people desire and insist on a society that is fair, decent and moral. Right now they control our society and this has to end, half measures will just not do it.


Spot on, but that's because successive govts were duped into believing that regulators should climb into bed with industry. I'd at least try fixing that problem before advocating state ownership.

It's very generous of you to say duped. I would say willfully corrupted. You speak of fixing the problem, well I am 30 years old, I have only ever lived under right-wing crony-capitalist Governments. I think they have had more than enough time and I think they have failed, infact, I don't think they really tried. The time for change is here and I for one will give my dying breath for any movement that seeks to rectify this injustice.
By:
Comrade_Karla
When: 05 Jul 11 23:39
Two insults now. Both right-wingers I suspect?

Is that all they do on this forum or do they actually engage in any debate?
By:
the loser
When: 05 Jul 11 23:42
I for one will give my dying breath for any movement that seeks to rectify this injustice.

Please make it soon - then we won't have to read your pompous dribble. Aren't you embarassed by it ? It's hysterical twaddle.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 05 Jul 11 23:48
Where to start with comrade Karla? Do you work at a polyversity by any chance?LaughLaughLaugh

The state must be in control and then accountable if anything goes wrong.

Accountable to who and by what means?
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 05 Jul 11 23:53
in some ways you remind me of my last boyfriend

Karla has to be a seed sent to get the forum lefties all hot and bothered. LaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
flushgordon1
When: 06 Jul 11 00:00
larry as someone who has fed off the public teat in a variety of diguises/uniforms.
you dont really have a leg to stand on to criticise other teat sucking parasites ,do you?
By:
mjt
When: 06 Jul 11 00:04
ha ha ha...one of the regular Labour headbangers has gone to the trouble of registering another profile. Laugh

I love this place...one of the few remaining on the net where you can find proper Labour Loons. Laugh
By:
Whippet
When: 06 Jul 11 00:05
1. 1) It was socialism that caused the meltdown 2) Didn't hear you complaining when the debt fueled boom was paying for your harebrained schemes over the past decade?

2. No, they generate money rather than consume it. Although get rid of airmiles andy and the two ugly sisters if you like.

3. Is quite frankly moronic. Although agree cutting down their terms to one, and we can oust them at any point during that if we wish.

4. No

5. Maybe, but just because they are equally useless as the rest.

6. Reduce the tax to a flat rate of 20% first, then that will be ok.

7. Doesnt work (see billions spent over the last 10 years through PFIs, and the declining standard of the education system).

8. Invade more countries (esp. africa, for their resources), employ less public sector spongers (teachers and lecturers especially). Will need more doctors though with the aging population + increased population because of immigration.

9. Only exists because of 10. Can't have both. So I agree with you that we should implement 10. That way we will get rid of AGW nut jobs such as J.



Two of my own (and far better than anything you have come up with)

11. Ban immigration and repatriate the majority of immigrant workers.

12. Withdraw from the EU.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 06 Jul 11 00:06
It depends why I am criticising them. If I am criticising them for doing a worthwhile job, which was the case with all my public sector jobs, then no I don't have a leg to stand on. If it is to criticise them for sucking the teat for being one legged lesbian trombone facilitators or their equivalent then I think I do even if the one legged lesbian doesn't.

Having said that, that wasn't the point of my post. The kind of gobbledegook which Comrade came out with seemed to be out of the Polyversity guide to being a useless sponger while irritating normal people. I was just seeking to clarify.
By:
Comrade_Karla
When: 06 Jul 11 00:12
Accountable to who and by what means?

To the state ( who in turn are accountable to the people ) rather than Capitalists. In the interest of people rather than profit. In the interest of children being educated and having access to basic medicines rather than Capitalists purchasing yachts or football clubs. In the interest of Human-Beings having a reasonable place to live rather than Uber-Capitalists having dozens of ostentatious dwellings around the globe whilst many live on the streets or in Victorian conditions. In the interest of disabled people being given every opportunity and assistance rather than tossed aside and ignored. In the interest of energy being sustainable and clean rather than dirty, dangerous and needing illegal wars to obtain.

Put simply, in the interest of all that is decent, moral and elevated, versus all that is exploitative, wasteful and immoral. These are simple choices. Make them.
By:
subversion
When: 06 Jul 11 00:45
capitalism has failed? funny stuff... shame it has outperformed every other economic system that ever competed with it Laugh

maybe this Karla joker should go and live under one of the few remaining genuine alternatives and report back... I hear North Korea is lovely this time of year
By:
melv
When: 06 Jul 11 05:52
Sub you know v. well that capitalism frequently fails and we are at a point of failure now.

IMO it is always saved by war ( which forces a communal approach to social organiseation) or some kind of socialist intervention.

Karla; a fine list and a fine start.
By:
cryoftruth
When: 06 Jul 11 05:57
I am unconvinced that a socialist economy really works. However, the obvious lesson from the current mess and from many other examples of unfettered capitaism is that without democratic oversight and control, capitalism serves the needs of the few at the expense of the many, rather than acts as a system that gives a remotely fair opportunity to everyone.

So in respect to huge financial institutions, there is a need to regulate heavily to avoid short terms gains for the speculators (the ones christened spivs and gamblers by St Vince), to change the remuneration system so that bonuses are paid on short term apparent gains rather than on long term performance, to change the structure of banks to prevent the gambling/speculation side of banks being able to drag down the "proper" part of banks when they gamble themselves into insolvency. A decent start would be to have a maximum cap on how much any emplyee would be allowed to earn above the average bank employee - the BBC are moving to a system of no more than 20 times average pay and that sounds more than reasonable.

In respect to other companies, a proper set of health and safety rules and regulations is still needed to stop employers paying below minimum wages and to stop unsafe working practices.

In short the private sector should be required by regulation and law to behave in a decent way that allows a healthy reward and profit for the investor and yet prevents the private sector acting against the public good. The balance has got out of what is sane and reasonable in Britain, with the gap between rich and poor, and actually between the very rich and everyone else getting wider and wider.

Now dealing with the huge problems into the future will not be easy. Big corporations always act in a way that maximizes its profits, irrespective of the effect on people. They use their muscle, like News Corp and the food industry, to influence political decisions; and certainly "dirty tricks" are not unusual. the phone hacking scandal shows why big media giants require proper monitoring and strong rather than weak regulation.

One thing though I would say is shown by the banking rip off, the News International scandal and the Southern Rock fisaco - the idea that came form the Chicago school of economics, the Friedman notions supported by Reagan, Cheyney, Rumsvelt and extreme right wing neo cons and Tea Party nutcases - that the free unfettered marker, un polluted by any democratic interference has been shown to complete rubbish and dangerous rubbish as well.
By:
subversion
When: 06 Jul 11 06:10
melv - are you seriously suggesting that alternatives to capitalism haven't been just as prone (if not more prone) to failure and war throughout history? in addition, the lefty alternatives have a depressing tendency to slaughter and oppress their own people, as well as starving them in their millions through sheer incompetence

of course capitalism has problems, but to paraphrase Churchills famous quote regarding democracy, "it has been said that Capitalism is the worst economic system except for all the others"

thats pretty much my position - capitalism is far from perfect, but the thought of living under some of the alternatives that have been tried in human history (and still exist in isolated pockets) is truly terrifying
By:
cryoftruth
When: 06 Jul 11 06:24
I agree with that subversion pretty much. We need to make capitalism work better for us all though and not just let the mega rich rip us all off and cause massive human misery to the others.
By:
subversion
When: 06 Jul 11 06:37
the ironic thing is cry - the 'mega rich ripping us all off and causing massive human misery to others' is almost exactly what happened under any of the alternatives to capitalism in history too, often with far worse results for the non-rich (who under the alternatives to capitalism were almost universally poor, oppressed, often starving, and had no way out)
By:
subversion
When: 06 Jul 11 06:46
in fact, i can't remember the exact quote or who said it, but it was something like

- the capitalist societies have borders to keep people out... the non-capitalist societies have borders to keep people in

sums it up pretty neatly doesnt it Laugh
By:
cryoftruth
When: 06 Jul 11 06:52
yes I accept this point too sub.

There are examples that perhaps have worked better than others, and there may be a case to argue that where any half socialist government has started to work, the world wide capitalist system has joined together to attack them making it very hard to take an objective view.

However the far right wing and the big corporations keep on pushing the definition of "socialist" back and back.

I am old enough to remember the pay policy of Tory leader Edward Heath. he went for an all encompassing pay deal o £6 per week or a similar amount. Tis meant that the iniquity of percentage pay rises, with 5% of 1 million being a helluva lot and 5% of 5k being buggerall. If a labour party leader were to suggest a pay settlement for all of a flat rate rather than a percentage today, they would be tarred and feathered and called a raving commie. That's how far from what I would call decent regulated and controlled capitalism we have strayed.

The far right and the mad capitalists like Rumsvelt in the USA and some of the more extreme economic nutters here believe, in spite of all the evidence of Souther Cross, the banking greed scandalous rip off, the news International evil doings, that we need to control capitalism even less than we do already, and want all state activity further curtailed so that there is no choice for example to taking the care provided by Souther Cross or other rip off care providers.

I am against dogmatic "isms" whether they are Thatcherisms, monetarisms or communisms. These "isms" can be aoppeakling in a short term or superficial basis, but in the long term they always turn out to be dead ends.
By:
Comrade_Karla
When: 06 Jul 11 08:24
The right-wing Capitalist apologists on here seem an odd bunch. Almost all of them have took the first sentence and played a game of sophistry with it. No reason or debate at all. No mention of everything else. I wonder if they were able to read the rest.

The final one seems to have an obsession with catchphrases. Snap one off and that seems to prove anything in his mind. Odd people.

melv - are you seriously suggesting that alternatives to capitalism haven't been just as prone (if not more prone) to failure and war throughout history?

My advice, read the first two words in the title of the thread and then report back. But please, no catchphrases.
By:
blackburn1
When: 06 Jul 11 08:56
So comradekarla joined yesterday eh?

We haven't seen clay for a while

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