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Bentley Boy
29 Mar 10 19:34
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Tory boys welcome but only if you're objective, i naturally expect objectivity from the Lefties.
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Report V4 Vendetta March 29, 2010 8:33 PM BST
Georgiana Head :D
Report V4 Vendetta March 29, 2010 8:34 PM BST
Pin-striped Scargills. :D
Report Jobroke March 29, 2010 8:34 PM BST
dyed hair, grey hair, no hair?
Report PAKEY March 29, 2010 8:34 PM BST
Get on there Vince, don't let them hold us to ransom.

Where's the tory boy taunts now
Report sibaroni March 29, 2010 8:35 PM BST
"pin-striped Scargills". Nice stuff.
Report PAKEY March 29, 2010 8:36 PM BST
I've liked Vince for a while, now liking him a lot more.
We need somebody like him who does not mince their words when dealing with shysters.
Report V4 Vendetta March 29, 2010 8:36 PM BST
Vince Cable: http://www.nma.gov.au/shared/libraries/images/exhibitions/darwin/galapagos_t...
Report Jobroke March 29, 2010 8:37 PM BST
Osborne struggled to get 'fair society' out of his mealy mouth..
Report V4 Vendetta March 29, 2010 8:37 PM BST
:D He may also live to regret talking about "the gap". Anyone with a brain cell knows it must increase by simple numbers.
Report PAKEY March 29, 2010 8:38 PM BST
Lol Goring, I think that one was taken when he was at university
Report sibaroni March 29, 2010 8:39 PM BST
Osborne struggling all ways round. Surprised how adept Darling is as a performer. Young George thinks he still in the Union debating chamber, sadly for him he is now in with the big boys.
Report PAKEY March 29, 2010 8:39 PM BST
Vince really putting the boot in again
Report V4 Vendetta March 29, 2010 8:39 PM BST
Looks like he sat on something.
Report V4 Vendetta March 29, 2010 8:40 PM BST
Yeah, she's not pretty is she?
Report History Maker March 29, 2010 8:40 PM BST
Every major industry is a cartel these days Vince.
Report PAKEY March 29, 2010 8:40 PM BST
As stated beforehand, Gideon would be lost without the braying halfwits who usually sit behind him
Report History Maker March 29, 2010 8:42 PM BST
Bankers' pay is 'out of kilter' because, bizarrely, they work like workers' co-operatives. Bank employees have been shafting their shareholders for years.
Report PAKEY March 29, 2010 8:43 PM BST
Answer the question, is £1million bonus wrong
he let him off with that
Report V4 Vendetta March 29, 2010 8:43 PM BST
Not really. The bonus pools start at the top and each level divides it with the incentive that theirs comes out of what they save. I can tell you that you get good recognition for saving money on the bonus pool.
Report V4 Vendetta March 29, 2010 8:44 PM BST
£1m is wrong these days. £1.5m should be the minimum bonus.
Report V4 Vendetta March 29, 2010 8:47 PM BST
True Vince, but doing nothing about the fact that the state causes the booms and the lending.
Report PAKEY March 29, 2010 8:47 PM BST
Easy solution that nobody will take up:

X% of profit will go into a bonus pool, that will be divided between staff.
No profit, no bonus pool
The more profit made, the higher the bonus, but only to the maximum of X% of profit.
Report Cider March 29, 2010 8:48 PM BST
'Northern Rock was a conventional bank'
lol
Report History Maker March 29, 2010 8:49 PM BST
'Work program' - bad choice of words by Osborne there.
Report V4 Vendetta March 29, 2010 8:50 PM BST
Sounds sensible at first glance Pakey, but here's the problem. In a multiyear downturn, profits will be minimal (even losses) and you'd pay nothing. As Gordon likes to say, there are global situations which affect you regardless. The only thing that would make sense is to compare to the wider market so you still pay people if they lose less than other sectors as that implies performance.

Of course, it should all be for the shareholders to decide as it's their money. If your monkey government finds it necessary to hand your money to them when they fail, that's an election matter.
Report laughing gravy March 29, 2010 8:51 PM BST
Osborne "the public has run out of money". And what has he announced today?
Report PAKEY March 29, 2010 8:52 PM BST
In a multi year downturn, they should accept their normals wages like everybody else.
Also, a compnay that is in a multi year downturn, would surely benefit more from retaining the money that would otherwise be given in bonuses
Report V4 Vendetta March 29, 2010 8:53 PM BST
20% cuts in spending save the NHS.
Report V4 Vendetta March 29, 2010 8:55 PM BST
You'd lose your business, Pakey. You'd walk in to find a lot of empty seats. It's a stressful long hours job and people won't do it for100k. I've been in the business for over a decade and seen a few empty rooms when people tried to squeeze the pools. There are simply more seats which make money than people to sit in them - it's not always about 'deserving' the cash, it's supply and demand.
Report sibaroni March 29, 2010 8:55 PM BST
Well then, only one participant got audience applause, and he got it a few times. Only one winner.
Report Wasted March 29, 2010 8:56 PM BST
Poor George but still God loves a trier
Report V4 Vendetta March 29, 2010 8:56 PM BST
The other thing is be careful of this "normal wages" and "bonus" separation. The bonus is largely deferred salary already, not a "bonus" in the strict sense of the word. People take jobs knowing that the bonus will be 500+/-250 (for middle ranking traders for example). Try paying nowt and they'll go.
Report V4 Vendetta March 29, 2010 8:57 PM BST
Darling 6, Cable 5, Ozzy 2.5 for me.
Report Bentley Boy March 29, 2010 8:57 PM BST
For me out of 10
Cable 8
Darling 7
Osborne 5
Add your scores and lets have a running total
Report gus March 29, 2010 8:57 PM BST
he's not very good is he ... still, at least he was 3rd, so he's on the podium.
Report V4 Vendetta March 29, 2010 8:58 PM BST
Mine come to 13.5 ;)
Report Jobroke March 29, 2010 8:59 PM BST
Osborne was far too nicey nicey - needed to at least try to put the boot in.
Report sibaroni March 29, 2010 9:00 PM BST
goring - they would go for nowt, but they wouldn't go for less, because there will be nowhere offering more.
Report Bentley Boy March 29, 2010 9:00 PM BST
Running Total
Cable 13
Darling 13
Osborne 7.5
Report melv March 29, 2010 9:01 PM BST
Vince Cable there's only one Vince Cable.
one Vince Caaaa ble
there's only one Vince Caaaable.


one Vince Cable.

etc

Won by a mile and its the most important faset of government. Will it make any differnt to the voters. Will it fk. It will all be about tribalism and which do you like the look of least. Gordon or Dave.
Report PAKEY March 29, 2010 9:01 PM BST
If the companies won't, or can't change the system due to the reasons that you state Goring, then I'd go for taxing them into changing their ways with a super tax.

I don't agree that we can lambast the likes of unions who walk out when things eventually go too far, and yet accept that in the city we HAVE to give these people massive bonuses or they will punish the companies by going elsewhere.

The employers are also fanning the flames by trying to poach workers with higher fees.
Look at what it's done to football over the years, it's just been an obscene spiral.

On that note, I am being called to the couch by my darling wife
Have a good one, I'm sure that we will discuss this more
Report matso March 29, 2010 9:01 PM BST
A total waste of time.. did anyone find out anything that they did`nt already know !
Report golfjudge March 29, 2010 9:02 PM BST
Vince 9, Darling 5, Gideon 5

Vince actually deserves two extra bonus points just for that final summary about the Tories 'wasting the NSO, selling off the family silver and waiting to get their noses in the trough to reward their rich backers'.
Report History Maker March 29, 2010 9:02 PM BST
Cable 3
Darling 1
Osborne 2
Report _a_s_c_i_i_ March 29, 2010 9:02 PM BST
Cable came out of that on top. Brilliant performance. Swung my vote towards lib dem for now
Report History Maker March 29, 2010 9:03 PM BST
Mine's not supposed to suggest they were all cr@p - 1,2,3 has the same impact as 6,7,8.
Report PAKEY March 29, 2010 9:03 PM BST
Vince 8
Alistair 7
Gideon 4.5
Report The beauty of Buzzer March 29, 2010 9:04 PM BST
Latest voting percentages on the Ch4 website, one vote per IP
George 31%
Vince 36%
Alistair 33%
Report 56 March 29, 2010 9:04 PM BST
alistair 8, vince 6, oxxy 5
Report Them March 29, 2010 9:04 PM BST
None of them were terrible. And since expectations for Osborne were fairly low, I suppose that's a victory of sorts for him. But he was least good of the three.

Cable 8
Darling 7
Osborne 5
Report treetop March 29, 2010 9:04 PM BST
Vince Cable 8.5
Osborne 7
Darling 6

Thought AD came across better than he has to date but still has GB and EB standing behind him, GO stood up well for me but VC was overall winner for me. More steady and answered questions more directly,gained applause from the audience spontaneously.
Report PAKEY March 29, 2010 9:05 PM BST
golfjudge 29 Mar 21:02
Vince 9, Darling 5, Gideon 5
Vince actually deserves two extra bonus points just for that final summary about the Tories 'wasting the NSO, selling off the family silver and waiting to get their noses in the trough to reward their rich backers'.


Agreed please amend my Vince vote to 9

Now I'm off, night all
Report Jobroke March 29, 2010 9:08 PM BST
I have the scores from Pangloss:

Osborne 10
Darling 0
Cable 0
Report _a_s_c_i_i_ March 29, 2010 9:09 PM BST
Cable 9
Darling 5
Osbourne 3

Sorry George, the interruptions and the vagueness didn't help you.
Report treetop March 29, 2010 9:12 PM BST
Bentley, how can you weight this correctly as so many begin with preconceived prejudice ?
Report Bentley Boy March 29, 2010 9:13 PM BST
Osborne cant have convinced any floating voters on that performance. The economy in the sh1te and he was mainly on the defensive. Most of the left wing stuff from Cable got the biggest cheers imo.
Report andrew s March 29, 2010 9:13 PM BST
1-0 to the tories
Report scarecrow March 29, 2010 9:13 PM BST
vince cable came across best imho although as the underdog that was always liable to happen.
Report Ivor March 29, 2010 9:17 PM BST
Cable 8
Darling 7
Osborne 6
Report _a_s_c_i_i_ March 29, 2010 9:17 PM BST
scarecrow 29 Mar 21:13
vince cable came across best imho although as the underdog that was always liable to happen.


I was thinking he might just cement the third party's irrelevance, but no he really shone. Too often people say that a party that won't win a majority can propose anything they want without having to worry about delivering... but he seemed to be the most level-headed and realistic to me.
Report Bentley Boy March 29, 2010 9:20 PM BST
Running Totals
Cable 73.5
Darling 59
Osborne 44

This is upto and including Ivors scores, please post your score and update running totals ta.
Report Ivor March 29, 2010 9:22 PM BST
matso says it as it is - not one step forward from that, and I expect the same from the leaders debates. We are where we are - and we know enough to make a decision now.
Yet more dithering and delay by Gordon will NOT do them any good.
Report Bentley Boy March 29, 2010 9:22 PM BST
Jobroke's proxy vote for Pangloss, though probably correct not counted.
Report treetop March 29, 2010 9:22 PM BST
If Clegg can maintain this support we might even see the Labour party come third. For me,this was a balanced programme and I believe it will appeal to most decent voters who are not already prejudiced up their eyeballs.
Report Jobroke March 29, 2010 9:23 PM BST
vile anti-Tory prejudice
Report sibaroni March 29, 2010 9:23 PM BST
Vince 9, Darling 7, George 5
Report Jobroke March 29, 2010 9:24 PM BST
Cable 9
Darling 7
Osborne 5
Report _a_s_c_i_i_ March 29, 2010 9:25 PM BST
vile anti-Tory prejudice

No anti-tory prejudice could possibly be vile ;)
Report gus March 29, 2010 9:26 PM BST
Darling ... relaxed, confident, on top of his brief ... 9
Clegg ... hectoring, anxious to impress, on top of his brief ... 8
Osborne ...nervous, out of his depth, confused ... 2
Report gus March 29, 2010 9:26 PM BST
Clegg ? Cable :)
Report Ivor March 29, 2010 9:27 PM BST
clegg was not that good - in fact he was carp on the politics show
Report treetop March 29, 2010 9:28 PM BST
You clearly werent paying attention gus,your scores should be dismissed !
Report 4thjulykid March 29, 2010 9:30 PM BST
treetop 29 Mar 21:22


If Clegg can maintain this support we might even see the Labour party come third.


You need to get yourself to the docters as soon as possible , there may be a cure . The price on Elvis being alive is comparable imo .
Report gus March 29, 2010 9:31 PM BST
how the f*ck am i supposed to tell the difference between a Clegg and a Cable ... i haven't watched the news since the Moon landing ... couldn't they wear uniforms or somethin :(
Report Bentley Boy March 29, 2010 9:33 PM BST
Gus,
You'd better not watch when it's Nick and Dave, could be very confusing imo.
Report Ivor March 29, 2010 9:33 PM BST
shoodave worn badges imo ;)

channel4 final:
..Official result is
Cable 36 per cent
Darling 32 per cent
Osborne 32 per cent. And there you have it #askthechancellors
Report 4thjulykid March 29, 2010 9:38 PM BST
Was it one of those**phone in votes ? Or did the Headmaster at Eton make all the pupils vote ? Because it doesn't take the brains of Lloyd George to see that Mr Osborne came a poor third in that exchange .
Report Ivor March 29, 2010 9:41 PM BST
I think that was the audience keypad vote - you weren't wearing red tinted spectacles when you watched were you?
Report History Maker March 29, 2010 9:41 PM BST
4thjulykid 29 Mar 21:38


Was it one of those**phone in votes ? Or did the Headmaster at Eton make all the pupils vote ? Because it doesn't take the brains of Lloyd George to see that Mr Osborne came a poor third in that exchange .


...says someone who is unable to grasp the fact that others might legitimately see the world in a different way than he.
Report treetop March 29, 2010 9:51 PM BST
Good point HM,look at the scores on here and we see large gaps for the prejudice reflected by some.
Report tonkability March 29, 2010 10:09 PM BST
Darling 7
Gieon3
Cable6
Report Mister E March 29, 2010 10:54 PM BST
Cable 8
Darling 6
Gideon 3
Report Doob March 29, 2010 11:19 PM BST
Cable - It is easy when you are not the main target of the other 2, none of them picked his policies apart, Osborne just dismissed him as not going to win, did well though and got some good points across.

8 Points

Darling - Uninspiring as per usual and seem to have a very easy time with the questions. Maybe an hour was not long enough as they seemed to move on to quickly when maybe the debate could have got interesting

6 Points

Osborne - He just doesn't look right, he doesn't generate trust in what he says and comes across as a lightweight. Bad responses that were batted away with ease by Darling

4 Points
Report flushgordon March 29, 2010 11:32 PM BST
cable-4
darling-3.5
ozzy-3
to be honest it was pretty poor fare and their is a gnats between them.
Report Diamond_Joe_Quimby March 29, 2010 11:35 PM BST
Osborne 9
Darling 7
Cable LOL
Report Diamond_Joe_Quimby March 29, 2010 11:35 PM BST
ok i'll give cable 8 ;)
Report Diamond_Joe_Quimby March 29, 2010 11:36 PM BST
thats out of 100 by the way.
Report salmon spray March 29, 2010 11:40 PM BST
I didn`t see it, but would give Gideon - 10
Report blackburn1 March 30, 2010 8:47 AM BST
Cable was entertaining but its easy to be like that as Osborne says he's under no pressure.

It will work in the tory favour as a lot of labour supporters - as shown on here - will consider voting libs now. All in all enjoyable but handbag stuff, Darling dropped a ricket with the death tax thing to be announced today.
Report PAKEY March 30, 2010 8:52 AM BST
Ivor 29 Mar 21:41
I think that was the audience keypad vote - you weren't wearing red tinted spectacles when you watched were you?


Blue ones for you yet again though ivor?
Report Arch Stanton March 30, 2010 9:06 AM BST
People have micro attention spans....and now all people are talking about today, which is dictated by the media is the 'death tax'.

Sky are also constantly repeating clips of G.O. badgering Darling on this matter
Report Doob March 30, 2010 9:17 AM BST
Good point Arch,
Having seen the news this morning I would like to change my scores to ...

Osborne 9
Cable 5
Darling 0

Incredible Scenes :)
Report PAKEY March 30, 2010 9:52 AM BST
Apparently it all depends on which news you watched doob.
Report Arch Stanton March 30, 2010 10:32 AM BST
michael crick on newsnight gave it to G.O. as well
Report Ivor March 30, 2010 11:00 AM BST
maybe - except you'll see I scored George low - so mine rather less tinted I propose.
Report evski March 30, 2010 11:36 AM BST
I can't see how anyone could give it to GO. He was a mumbling, stuttering pr1ck. His voice kept going a little bit and he was rubbish.

Cable a clear victor to me although as a Lib Dem I'm hardly impartial.
Report Ivor March 30, 2010 11:43 AM BST
Nowt rong with being LibDem - other than the fact they'll never be in govt. as long as we live.
Report getting better March 30, 2010 12:11 PM BST
I think they will be in government in a coalition in 2015. Assuming Conservatives win this election the Liberals will do very well in subsequent by-elections and likely to win 80-100 seats in 2014-5, making it very hard for Conservatives to keep their majoirty.
Report evski March 30, 2010 12:15 PM BST
They aren't that far behind. Lots of young people are lib-dem supporters and I wuld guess the average of a tory supporter is about 60. A critical mass is not far from being reached.
Report blackburn1 March 30, 2010 1:21 PM BST
They'll do relatively well at the GE, a headline in one of the papers today is 50% of people cant bear another 5 years of Brown, Cable last night gained a lot of labour votes.

When labour splinter into factions after the GE the libs will do well.
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