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V4 Vendetta
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6.1% compared to 1.2% for strong GDP net contributors.
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Report gus December 28, 2009 7:42 AM GMT
more initiative?
Report onetruesaxon1964 December 28, 2009 7:51 AM GMT
they are overlooked by teachers and outcasts in society so decide to do1 and make there own fun
Report wit-ham December 28, 2009 8:44 AM GMT
they need the extra time to spend their generous benefit payments
Report Templeton Peck December 28, 2009 8:58 AM GMT
Alochol, drugs and sex or grammar, algebra and latin?
Report Diamond_Joe_Quimby December 28, 2009 9:10 AM GMT
Parents too busy looking at Kyle and in general acting like**
Report Mister E December 28, 2009 9:18 AM GMT
'Diamond' Joe Quimby 28 Dec 10:10
Parents too busy looking at Kyle and in general acting like ****



parentS in the plural is inaccurate in many cases.
Those that I know take the view that there are few jobs, and little prospects; that the lessons are irrelevant to them.
Progress is measured in terms of ostentatious wealth, and they see footballers or "reality show celebs" as people of their kind who progress and you don't need an education for that.
Lessons that taught suitable skills e.g. car mechanics, building skills, computer skills would be of more benefit to the lads I know.
Proper role models are the key. Absentee fathers, replaced by Child Benefits is not a good role model IMO.
Report 4thjulykid December 28, 2009 9:21 AM GMT
And when was it any different ?
Report Mister E December 28, 2009 9:25 AM GMT
It was different in the 50s and 60s.
Worse now than ever IMO.
Report noddys ryde December 28, 2009 9:27 AM GMT
1 in 4 kids grow up in single parent households.....a good proportion of these are on benefits.....so these kids have no male role models and no ambition....school is just a phase you go through until you too claim your benefits and start to vote for the liars to keep to whole stinking bandwagon on the road. Viva la revolution.
Report 4thjulykid December 28, 2009 9:27 AM GMT
Mister E 28 Dec 10:25


It was different in the 50s and 60s.
Worse now than ever IMO.



So more truanted from Eton et al than your local secondary modern ? You must be uder 30 . Get real .
Report Dr Crippen December 28, 2009 9:47 AM GMT
1.2% for strong GDP net contributors

This figure is disturbing, does this include the kids who run away from boarding schools to escape from the 'unnatural practices' that are rife in these establishments?
Report Larry's Codpiece. December 28, 2009 9:54 AM GMT
4thjuly always pops up on such threads with this kind of nonsense. In his world we have always been a society which was as prone to crime, disorder and unruly behaviour.
Report Mister E December 28, 2009 10:17 AM GMT
4th julykid


I assumed that you were responding to my thread immediately above:


Proper role models are the key. Absentee fathers, replaced by Child Benefits is not a good role model IMO.

I can't see where I have suggested that truancy rates at Eton were ever a problem.
Report 4thjulykid December 28, 2009 10:28 AM GMT
Larry's Codpiece. 28 Dec 10:54


4thjuly always pops up on such threads with this kind of nonsense. In his world we have always been a society which was as prone to crime, disorder and unruly behaviour.


So , race riots in the 50s didn't happen ? Questions in the House about teddy boys didn't happen . Serious concerns in the media about mods and rockers in the 60s didn't happen . Football hooligans in the 70s didn't happen . And all the while people such as the Krays didn't happen . As a barrister were you ever out of work ? There has allways been truancy ( and of course more prevelant in working class situations ) there has allways been crime, and disorder (Peterloo ring any bells ?) and unruly behavior . The world of Chumley Warner never really existed .
Report Larry's Codpiece. December 28, 2009 10:29 AM GMT
Mister E

Please report for retraining. All parental groups are equally valid dontya know.
Report Mighty Whites 2008 December 28, 2009 12:33 PM GMT
since labour came to power they have tried to reduce the amount of unauthorised absence (truancy). This policy has failed like most of their policy on the brightside if you take your kids out of school for a couple of weeks to go on holiday you can look forward to a fine for your troubles
Report Ivor December 28, 2009 1:46 PM GMT
Money, money, money and how to extract more - that's the Labour way. They are OBSESSED with money!
Report sibaroni December 28, 2009 1:55 PM GMT
The poor get the worst of everything, including schools. The disparity between a good comprehensive like the one I went to, and an inner city nightmare, is vast. If your school and teachers are rubbish, there is going to be more truancy. Not the only one, but a contributory factor I reckon.
Report noddys ryde December 28, 2009 2:17 PM GMT
I'm in favour of truancy-it keeps**m away from school so that motivated kids are not hindered.
Report Iwantyourmoney December 28, 2009 2:26 PM GMT
chicken and the egg sib

It amuses me when people say poor and make excuses up.

People were somewhat poorer back in the 40s than they are now but still people went to school.

Being 'poor' is just a feeable luvvie excuse.

:( :(
Report Dr J December 28, 2009 3:02 PM GMT
6.1% compared to 1.2% for [b]strong GDP net contributors.[/b]

Minor royal, CAP scroungers and socialist bankers more like...

Their kids are probably too dim to bunk off.
Report blackburn1 December 28, 2009 3:34 PM GMT
The answer is obvious - they cant see the point in education.
Report V4 Vendetta December 28, 2009 3:39 PM GMT
Some good answers coming in.
Report noddys ryde December 28, 2009 3:42 PM GMT
Dr J-I uess the CAP jibe is named at me-my eldest daughter got a first class degree from a Russell Group Uni thanks v much-attended a State school as well It may not fit your class stereotype but there is no privilidge or dimness there .
Report unbiased December 28, 2009 3:45 PM GMT
Lack of discipline in the home,lack of respect all round,no good role models,heads full of rubbish.Financial status NOT the main reason.Grew up with plenty of kids from poor backgrounds,they had hard-working parents with respect and standards.Money does not make manners and decency,upbringing and good examples does.
Report noddys ryde December 28, 2009 6:02 PM GMT
agreed unbiased
Report Lozzy December 28, 2009 6:05 PM GMT
If they are poor it is normally cos their parents are thickos.

Granted, everyone can fall on hard times and make wrong investments or get bad luck etc, but the majority of poor people are thick.

They generally therefore can't read maps how to find the school building or if they do, remember how to get to the classroom.
Report noddys ryde December 28, 2009 6:48 PM GMT
lozzy -just as poor people are thick they also appear to be fertile. But they are not so stupid that they do not know where their benefits come from.
At Christmas Mr Thicko asks....how can we improve our living standards this new year.
Mrs Thicko -I'll knock another one out.

Welcome to the UK in 2010.
Report monmore man December 28, 2009 7:20 PM GMT
As is normally the case, Lozzy and Noddys have already given my opinions spot on. Nothing more to be said.
Report zilzal1 December 28, 2009 10:55 PM GMT
The murder rate)per thousand people) is two and a half times higher now than it was in the 50s
Report Iwantyourmoney December 28, 2009 10:57 PM GMT
zilzal1

it is that this country is a lot poorer now you see

:D :D :D :D

Back in the day everybody had ipods but now people cannot pay for a frsh veggies

;) ;)
Report Mister E December 29, 2009 10:10 AM GMT
blackburn 28 Dec 16:34
The answer is obvious - they cant see the point in education.

coincides with what I said above blackie, that plus the lack of role models at home.

If they taught lads car mechanics, building skills, and computer repairs/design they would be learning something relevant.

The One Size Fits All curriculum, much favoured by those whose parents paid for their education, clearly doesn't appeal as much to the pupils as those who think they know what is best for the pupils.
Report evski December 29, 2009 10:24 AM GMT
one area in nottingham has an average truancy rate of 24%! In extremely deprived areas kids have no role models with good jobs or with education. It is common to have no adults in the house that work, or have ever worked. Under these conditions you would think the value of education is obvious, but somehow really poor uneducated people think that education holds no value and don't push their kids to learn. Until this culture can be changed no amount of cash can solve the problem.
Report Iwantyourmoney December 29, 2009 10:26 AM GMT
one area in nottingham has an average truancy rate of 24%

just wonder what 'type' of area this is?

;) ;)
Report evski December 29, 2009 10:27 AM GMT
Mister E, don't you think teaching poor kids these skills to get shyt jobs is a bit patronising? Shouldn't everyone have a grounding int he basics?

Education is not on the job training.
Report evski December 29, 2009 10:28 AM GMT
You mean is the population mostly black? Disapointingly, for you, it isn't the mosst racially diverse area of nottingham.
Report Iwantyourmoney December 29, 2009 10:29 AM GMT
Disapointingly, for you, it isn't the mosst racially diverse area of nottingham.

so what area?

;) ;)
Report Mister E December 29, 2009 12:04 PM GMT
evski 29 Dec 11:27
Mister E, don't you think teaching poor kids these skills to get shyt jobs is a bit patronising? Shouldn't everyone have a grounding int he basics?

Education is not on the job training.


I think having a trade is not a shyte job, nor do I see it as patronsing.
I told the tale before about a friend who failed the 11 plus, and went to Secondary Modern and learned woodwork.
I passed went to Grammar School and excelled in Latin. He is a builder with several millions behind him, I am not.
Nowadays he would have been sent on Geography Field trips,and struggled with French. He may well have deteriorated into a Shopping Mall time waster.
Nothing demeaning about learning a trade, and getting your hands dirty IMO.
Report blackburn1 December 29, 2009 1:27 PM GMT
Whats demeaning about preparing people to do an important job ffs, luckily not all our kids are brainwashed into believing they need a worthless degree and £30k debt, some of them actually get a job.
Report Mister E December 30, 2009 10:10 AM GMT
IMO a good education system would identify a pupil's potential and develop it.

Blair, Cameron and Balls all oppose the Grammar School system in the interests of "fairness"; all went to fee paying schools!!?!

I am full of admiration for tradesmen like carpenters and bricklayers; I wish I could repair my own car.

There is a growing attitude that these are "shyte" jobs, and its patronising to admit all kids dont have Uni potential.

Presumably that is why Tony imported so many Eastern European building tradesmen, it was patronising and unfair to expect our kids to learn a trade.
Report Java December 30, 2009 10:41 AM GMT
The answer to the opening question is "woeful gene pool"
Report Dr J December 30, 2009 1:41 PM GMT
Dr J--my eldest daughter got a first class degree from a Russell Group Uni thanks v much-

No need to thank me personally, noddys.

;)
Report A.H HUNTER esq. December 30, 2009 5:04 PM GMT
Discipline from parents ,or a lack of to be more precise and individual choice.
You do not have to be well off to make your kids go to school it is free for all in our wonderful socialist society .
Report GAZO December 30, 2009 5:43 PM GMT
parents are the problem,especially the ones on benefits who have no intention of ever trying to get a job,all they think they need to do for their kids is teach them how to sign a form and ** the benefit system and they do that brilliantly.
Report V4 Vendetta December 30, 2009 6:03 PM GMT
Dr J 30 Dec 14:41

Dr J--my eldest daughter got a first class degree from a Russell Group Uni thanks v much-

No need to thank me personally, noddys.



As Goldsmiths isn't in Russell... ;)
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