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6.1% compared to 1.2% for strong GDP net contributors.

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By:
gus
When: 28 Dec 09 07:42
more initiative?
By:
onetruesaxon1964
When: 28 Dec 09 07:51
they are overlooked by teachers and outcasts in society so decide to do1 and make there own fun
By:
wit-ham
When: 28 Dec 09 08:44
they need the extra time to spend their generous benefit payments
By:
Templeton Peck
When: 28 Dec 09 08:58
Alochol, drugs and sex or grammar, algebra and latin?
By:
Diamond_Joe_Quimby
When: 28 Dec 09 09:10
Parents too busy looking at Kyle and in general acting like**
By:
Mister E
When: 28 Dec 09 09:18
'Diamond' Joe Quimby 28 Dec 10:10
Parents too busy looking at Kyle and in general acting like ****



parentS in the plural is inaccurate in many cases.
Those that I know take the view that there are few jobs, and little prospects; that the lessons are irrelevant to them.
Progress is measured in terms of ostentatious wealth, and they see footballers or "reality show celebs" as people of their kind who progress and you don't need an education for that.
Lessons that taught suitable skills e.g. car mechanics, building skills, computer skills would be of more benefit to the lads I know.
Proper role models are the key. Absentee fathers, replaced by Child Benefits is not a good role model IMO.
By:
4thjulykid
When: 28 Dec 09 09:21
And when was it any different ?
By:
Mister E
When: 28 Dec 09 09:25
It was different in the 50s and 60s.
Worse now than ever IMO.
By:
noddys ryde
When: 28 Dec 09 09:27
1 in 4 kids grow up in single parent households.....a good proportion of these are on benefits.....so these kids have no male role models and no ambition....school is just a phase you go through until you too claim your benefits and start to vote for the liars to keep to whole stinking bandwagon on the road. Viva la revolution.
By:
4thjulykid
When: 28 Dec 09 09:27
Mister E 28 Dec 10:25


It was different in the 50s and 60s.
Worse now than ever IMO.



So more truanted from Eton et al than your local secondary modern ? You must be uder 30 . Get real .
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 28 Dec 09 09:47
1.2% for strong GDP net contributors

This figure is disturbing, does this include the kids who run away from boarding schools to escape from the 'unnatural practices' that are rife in these establishments?
By:
Larry's Codpiece.
When: 28 Dec 09 09:54
4thjuly always pops up on such threads with this kind of nonsense. In his world we have always been a society which was as prone to crime, disorder and unruly behaviour.
By:
Mister E
When: 28 Dec 09 10:17
4th julykid


I assumed that you were responding to my thread immediately above:


Proper role models are the key. Absentee fathers, replaced by Child Benefits is not a good role model IMO.

I can't see where I have suggested that truancy rates at Eton were ever a problem.
By:
4thjulykid
When: 28 Dec 09 10:28
Larry's Codpiece. 28 Dec 10:54


4thjuly always pops up on such threads with this kind of nonsense. In his world we have always been a society which was as prone to crime, disorder and unruly behaviour.


So , race riots in the 50s didn't happen ? Questions in the House about teddy boys didn't happen . Serious concerns in the media about mods and rockers in the 60s didn't happen . Football hooligans in the 70s didn't happen . And all the while people such as the Krays didn't happen . As a barrister were you ever out of work ? There has allways been truancy ( and of course more prevelant in working class situations ) there has allways been crime, and disorder (Peterloo ring any bells ?) and unruly behavior . The world of Chumley Warner never really existed .
By:
Larry's Codpiece.
When: 28 Dec 09 10:29
Mister E

Please report for retraining. All parental groups are equally valid dontya know.
By:
Mighty Whites 2008
When: 28 Dec 09 12:33
since labour came to power they have tried to reduce the amount of unauthorised absence (truancy). This policy has failed like most of their policy on the brightside if you take your kids out of school for a couple of weeks to go on holiday you can look forward to a fine for your troubles
By:
Ivor
When: 28 Dec 09 13:46
Money, money, money and how to extract more - that's the Labour way. They are OBSESSED with money!
By:
sibaroni
When: 28 Dec 09 13:55
The poor get the worst of everything, including schools. The disparity between a good comprehensive like the one I went to, and an inner city nightmare, is vast. If your school and teachers are rubbish, there is going to be more truancy. Not the only one, but a contributory factor I reckon.
By:
noddys ryde
When: 28 Dec 09 14:17
I'm in favour of truancy-it keeps**m away from school so that motivated kids are not hindered.
By:
Iwantyourmoney
When: 28 Dec 09 14:26
chicken and the egg sib

It amuses me when people say poor and make excuses up.

People were somewhat poorer back in the 40s than they are now but still people went to school.

Being 'poor' is just a feeable luvvie excuse.

:( :(
By:
Dr J
When: 28 Dec 09 15:02
6.1% compared to 1.2% for [b]strong GDP net contributors.[/b]

Minor royal, CAP scroungers and socialist bankers more like...

Their kids are probably too dim to bunk off.
By:
blackburn1
When: 28 Dec 09 15:34
The answer is obvious - they cant see the point in education.
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 28 Dec 09 15:39
Some good answers coming in.
By:
noddys ryde
When: 28 Dec 09 15:42
Dr J-I uess the CAP jibe is named at me-my eldest daughter got a first class degree from a Russell Group Uni thanks v much-attended a State school as well It may not fit your class stereotype but there is no privilidge or dimness there .
By:
unbiased
When: 28 Dec 09 15:45
Lack of discipline in the home,lack of respect all round,no good role models,heads full of rubbish.Financial status NOT the main reason.Grew up with plenty of kids from poor backgrounds,they had hard-working parents with respect and standards.Money does not make manners and decency,upbringing and good examples does.
By:
noddys ryde
When: 28 Dec 09 18:02
agreed unbiased
By:
Lozzy
When: 28 Dec 09 18:05
If they are poor it is normally cos their parents are thickos.

Granted, everyone can fall on hard times and make wrong investments or get bad luck etc, but the majority of poor people are thick.

They generally therefore can't read maps how to find the school building or if they do, remember how to get to the classroom.
By:
noddys ryde
When: 28 Dec 09 18:48
lozzy -just as poor people are thick they also appear to be fertile. But they are not so stupid that they do not know where their benefits come from.
At Christmas Mr Thicko asks....how can we improve our living standards this new year.
Mrs Thicko -I'll knock another one out.

Welcome to the UK in 2010.
By:
monmore man
When: 28 Dec 09 19:20
As is normally the case, Lozzy and Noddys have already given my opinions spot on. Nothing more to be said.
By:
zilzal1
When: 28 Dec 09 22:55
The murder rate)per thousand people) is two and a half times higher now than it was in the 50s
By:
Iwantyourmoney
When: 28 Dec 09 22:57
zilzal1

it is that this country is a lot poorer now you see

:D :D :D :D

Back in the day everybody had ipods but now people cannot pay for a frsh veggies

;) ;)
By:
Mister E
When: 29 Dec 09 10:10
blackburn 28 Dec 16:34
The answer is obvious - they cant see the point in education.

coincides with what I said above blackie, that plus the lack of role models at home.

If they taught lads car mechanics, building skills, and computer repairs/design they would be learning something relevant.

The One Size Fits All curriculum, much favoured by those whose parents paid for their education, clearly doesn't appeal as much to the pupils as those who think they know what is best for the pupils.
By:
evski
When: 29 Dec 09 10:24
one area in nottingham has an average truancy rate of 24%! In extremely deprived areas kids have no role models with good jobs or with education. It is common to have no adults in the house that work, or have ever worked. Under these conditions you would think the value of education is obvious, but somehow really poor uneducated people think that education holds no value and don't push their kids to learn. Until this culture can be changed no amount of cash can solve the problem.
By:
Iwantyourmoney
When: 29 Dec 09 10:26
one area in nottingham has an average truancy rate of 24%

just wonder what 'type' of area this is?

;) ;)
By:
evski
When: 29 Dec 09 10:27
Mister E, don't you think teaching poor kids these skills to get shyt jobs is a bit patronising? Shouldn't everyone have a grounding int he basics?

Education is not on the job training.
By:
evski
When: 29 Dec 09 10:28
You mean is the population mostly black? Disapointingly, for you, it isn't the mosst racially diverse area of nottingham.
By:
Iwantyourmoney
When: 29 Dec 09 10:29
Disapointingly, for you, it isn't the mosst racially diverse area of nottingham.

so what area?

;) ;)
By:
Mister E
When: 29 Dec 09 12:04
evski 29 Dec 11:27
Mister E, don't you think teaching poor kids these skills to get shyt jobs is a bit patronising? Shouldn't everyone have a grounding int he basics?

Education is not on the job training.


I think having a trade is not a shyte job, nor do I see it as patronsing.
I told the tale before about a friend who failed the 11 plus, and went to Secondary Modern and learned woodwork.
I passed went to Grammar School and excelled in Latin. He is a builder with several millions behind him, I am not.
Nowadays he would have been sent on Geography Field trips,and struggled with French. He may well have deteriorated into a Shopping Mall time waster.
Nothing demeaning about learning a trade, and getting your hands dirty IMO.
By:
blackburn1
When: 29 Dec 09 13:27
Whats demeaning about preparing people to do an important job ffs, luckily not all our kids are brainwashed into believing they need a worthless degree and £30k debt, some of them actually get a job.
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