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27 Dec 09 13:28
Date Joined: 13 Mar 05
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David Taylor

He was chairman of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Smoking and Health.

During the 1980s Mr Taylor was a keen long distance runner, competing in several half marathons and full marathons including the 1989 London Marathon in which he finished in just over three hours.

In the 1990s he cycled routes including the Pennine Way and Coast to Coast.

Heart attack attack at 63. I am trying hard not to see the funny side, but failing.
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Report 1.01 Layer December 27, 2009 2:38 PM GMT
Can the family get the funeral on exes?
Report sibaroni December 27, 2009 2:40 PM GMT
what, declare his plot as a second home?
Report tonkability December 27, 2009 2:52 PM GMT
Shame on you WishyWashy distastefull thread !
Report salmon spray December 27, 2009 3:21 PM GMT
Non-smoking related death imo.
Report sibaroni December 27, 2009 3:25 PM GMT
Quite. Still chuckling though, I am not proud of myself I must admit.
Report Iwantyourmoney December 27, 2009 3:41 PM GMT
Another traitor dies.

:D :D
Report baracouda30 December 27, 2009 3:46 PM GMT
BBC website describes heart attack as 'massive'.

1) Who was the last famous person (or well known) to die from a heart attack and the media didn't describe it as 'massive'?

2) How do they know how large it was? Is there some kind of Richter scale for heart attacks? Surely if it kills you it was big enough?
Report sibaroni December 27, 2009 3:47 PM GMT
large enough, it seems. I think beyond fatal, it kind of doesn't matter. But you're right, if you heart stops, it stops. How can it stop in a "massive" way?
Report Marxist-Leninist December 27, 2009 3:59 PM GMT
Almost as surprised at your ignorance to what "massive heart attack" means as to you finding this funny. Takes all sorts i suppose.
Report baracouda30 December 27, 2009 4:04 PM GMT
Enlighten us.

How do the media know the size of the heart attack? If indeed heart attacks can be classified as such (I would have thought fatal or non-fatal were the crucial categories) how would the BBC know the size of it?

I'm not laughing at it. I'm asking a question.
Report V4 Vendetta December 27, 2009 5:28 PM GMT
Never would have happened under Maggie. Brown has a lot to answer for.
Report Doob December 27, 2009 5:29 PM GMT
I'm sure his 4 daughters and his wife take great comfort from thread and are currently asking themselves what massive does actually mean when added to the term heart attack.
Report baracouda30 December 27, 2009 7:16 PM GMT
I doubt they visit the forum and if they do they probably have other things to do right now.

My question remains ... how does a media outlet come to know the size of someone's heart attack?

Do death certificates say 'massive' 'regular' 'above average' or 'quite small' heart attack?

No they don't.

It's all part of the media language that we become so used to that we don't even question it. In the same way, they use language in other (even more serious) contexts that we don't question.

The fact that no-one ever questions how a heart attack can be 'massive', or how a media outlet can pretend to know that, shows what a bunch of sheep we have become.
Report macarony December 27, 2009 7:22 PM GMT
The best some can offer is hanging on the word massive. oh please
Report baracouda30 December 27, 2009 7:36 PM GMT

Accept the small ones and the big ones will follow.

Some can't see that.
Report Occam's Razor December 27, 2009 9:27 PM GMT
I would guess that the term massive would mean a heart attack that is enough to kill you. Quite easy to work out even as a journo seeing as the poor chap is dead.
Report Marxist-Leninist December 27, 2009 10:16 PM GMT
a massive heart attack means it was sudden and serious, as opposed to perhaps a mild heart attack.

He was voted Commons Backbencher of the Year and was a hard-working, independent minded MP but all the politics forum regulars can do is extract the urine. Presumably if he'd died of cancer you would have kept your opinions to yourselves?
Report Big Charlie December 27, 2009 11:05 PM GMT
baracouda30 27 Dec 17:04
Enlighten us.

How do the media know the size of the heart attack? If indeed heart attacks can be classified as such (I would have thought fatal or non-fatal were the crucial categories) how would the BBC know the size of it?

How do the media know anything at all ? I'd say reporters get the stories from somewhere.

Would it aid your cause if he died of a minor heart attack ?
Report Ivor December 28, 2009 1:30 PM GMT
Surely one could live a fairly normal life after a 'minor' heart-attack :)
Report noddys ryde December 28, 2009 2:18 PM GMT
can the liars avoid a by election?
Report sibaroni December 28, 2009 2:30 PM GMT
I think so, the maximum is 6 months. It is a seat they would lose, for sure.
Report tonkability December 28, 2009 5:36 PM GMT
Can u avoid a right hook Nobby ?
Report tonkability December 28, 2009 5:37 PM GMT
RIP MR Taylor .
Report baracouda30 December 28, 2009 6:17 PM GMT
So heart attacks are either minor or massive? Is that what we are saying?

Surely to describe one as massive you are saying 'bigger than average'?

BTW, on a forum where so many rail against 'political correctness' it's rather bizarre that so many are assuming that my comments are poking fun at the man who has died. They are not at all.

Lighten up you PC lot. I am making a point about journalism. Deal with it.
Report Monkfish December 28, 2009 8:46 PM GMT
it's dying of a "suspected" heart attack that always gets me. surely you can suspect they had a heart attack but how can you die of a "suspected" heart attack?
Report pandora1963 December 28, 2009 9:07 PM GMT
some arse calls this MP a traitor when he was one of the few MPs who was true old labour to his boots,RIP
Report Iwantyourmoney December 28, 2009 11:41 PM GMT
some plonker does not realise that this MP was in the labour party/NuLiars

What a thickiee

:( :(
Report Augustine December 29, 2009 8:56 AM GMT
Voted against Blair in February and March 2003 over the invasion of Iraq, "thereby extinguishing any hope he may have had for ministerial preferment," according to The Independent. Campaigned for prioritising the early detection of cancer.

Sounds like one of the better ones.
Report Iwantyourmoney December 29, 2009 11:44 AM GMT
still in the traitor labour party.

He should have resigned his seat but thought best not to

;) ;)

How much do MPs get?

Report History Maker December 29, 2009 12:00 PM GMT
Just out of interest, who should the constituents contact with grievances that they'd normally take to their MP between now and the election? Never really thought about it before.
Report noddys ryde December 29, 2009 12:12 PM GMT
The Speaker
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