Monbiot - The science now needs 'reanalyising'

I'm sure Dr J will be on this one very soon. Him and George are busom buddies.

Come as absolutely no surprise to some of us who actually think for ourselves and have an ounce or more of common sense.

It must be scary feeling for the numpties who have their minds made up for them by the mass media and the sicko criminals who own it.

As much as I think there are balancing points to be made among the hysteria, I can't take this leak seriously simply because it's a selection of email from a population. It the whole were viewed in context I think it would be less of a story, but quoting part of the picture out of context is like being a gimp from Cornwall who thinks Maggie really didn't believe in society.

(Not that there's much of one down there last time I flew in).

Manipulation of evidence, private doubts about whether the world really is heating up,suppression of evidence,attempts to disguise the inconvenient truth of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) and, perhaps most reprehensibly, a long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority.


No context needed for all of that, it's clear what's been going on.

Now, Dr J and the alarmists, whatever happened to all of them..... ;D

''there's no such thing as global warming'' Goring - lol.
At least two of us have actually read the speech ;)

(Sorry Cumbria, but the wettest November in Wales was 1965 incidentaly).

This climate change stuff has taken the form of a religion - where it's been fashionable to jump on the bandwagon and promote it as fact or get burnt at the stake as a heathen.

Come on world leaders - talk sense and take reasonable steps for once.

This is also bad news for those of us who actually want global warming to happen. :(

Do you know of anyone who wants that?

Fret no more, my lovely followers - Dr J is here...

;)

Professor Phil Jones is a prat. He should resign immediately. UEA should sack him otherwise. Moreover, he should be doing the rounds of TV stations explaining what the hell his e-mails mean. Keeping a low profile is pathetic.

The claims that he's witholding data are most serious. This is completely intolerable. We all know that warming has slowed in the last ten years and there are credible scientific explanations for this (usually involving El Nino); there's no need to 'manage' data or hide findings. That's deplorable, imo.

Of course, one or two ambiguous comments amongst a thousand private e-mails hardly discredits the wider science. Nor, I would point out, is there any evidence of corruption here (unlike, say, the oil-company-funded 'Manhattan Declaration' that Chippie fell for). However, Monbiot is right to say it's a blow to the movement and no doubt Fox News will be focussing on these throwaway comments much more than the swathes of peer-reviewed, transparent evidence that's published on the topic every year.

sibaroni 25 Nov 12:13
Do you know of anyone who wants that?

Yes, me! I live in the midlands and I would like a climate like the south of France and live nearer the coast without moving. :)

Excuse me whilst I :D :D :D :D

Your mob have been caught out, pure and simple.


And about this; unlike, say, the oil-company-funded 'Manhattan Declaration' that Chippie fell for, now I realise you'd like to change the whole direction of the thread given what an utter plonker you've been made to look, but let's not do that, hey. ;) The declaration to which you refer is hundreds of scientists saying they do not believe in the myth that you peddle, if you are saying that they have all in some way been corrupted then let's see the evidence ( on another thread ). The reality is you have no evidence, this is purely the smearing of scientists which the hacking of Hadley has clearly exposed.

It's a fraud and now we all know for sure it is.

P..S passed my test recently, the Cayenne is on order. ;)

Dr J

We all know that warming has slowed in the last ten years and there are credible scientific explanations for this (usually involving El Nino); there's no need to 'manage' data or hide findings. That's deplorable, imo.

If by slowed you mean has gone into reverse then for once we are in agreement.

Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organised resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more.



Dr J thinks the above is simply throwaway comments. :D :D :D

Is he man enough to concede that he's been duped? Don't hold your breathe!

* are

Dr J and the alarmists 25 Nov 12:13

he should be doing the rounds of TV stations explaining what the hell his e-mails mean.

Can't you work it out for yourself? :D
Do you need him to explain it to you? :D
lmao.

If CC plateaus for one ten-year period having increased for the previous 100+ years, are you really scientifically illiterate enough to base your findings on only the former?

:0

It does raise issues about whether we are causing it though Dr J, which after all is the very basis of your (hysterical) argument.

Nothing they say can be trusted.
How stupid are you?

The planet has been here for billions of years. Dr J thinks he has conclusive proof of something based on 100 years of measuring temperatures - lol.

Not to mention the data has clearly been falsified.

And he's just stated that in the last ten years as we've used more of whatever it is he claims we use, the climate has dropped.

What a mixed up greenie he is

It does raise issues about whether we are causing it though Dr J,

Not really, no.

None of the private e-mails suggest CC isn't partly man-made.

The Pew report found that people over 65 are much more likely than the rest of the population to deny that there is solid evidence that the earth is warming, that it's caused by humans, or that it's a serious problem. This chimes with my own experience.

ffs make your mind up - are we contributing or not?

bb

He doesn't have a clue where he is.

Dr J 24 Sep 14:28
Is current global warming totally man made? Probably not.

Of course we're contributing to CC, you fools - I genuinely don't know how you manage to misread the most basic of sentences.

My point is that even the leaked e-mails don't suggest that CC isn't man-made. Read them and see.

But if our contribution is increasing, how come the climate is decreasing?

There will always be troublemakers in massive topics such as this. It is no big deal, or at least shouldn't be a big deal.

There is a surprising amount of flat-earthers on here though.

Although this should disappointment me, it doesn't as I am betting against the dopes.

There is a surprising amount of flat-earthers on here though.

occam, its that type of arrogant ignorance, typified by Dr J, which is losing the argument. Saying the earth is flat and being sceptical about CC are entirely separate things

Dr J-that Phil Jones is inconvenient-why don't you get your liar mates to slit his wrists and leave him slumped against a tree?

I guess that we are going to have to live with the fact that the US Gvt, with all its might and power, has realised climate change is real; and a couple of guys on Betfair haven't. I shall sleep.

That's about the size of it. Cries of rage in the wilderness. The wailing and gnashing all over the internet is priceless.

the same US Govt. that identified weapons of mass destruction?

No, it's a different us govt, led by this black dude.

Barack something, I think.

Same people in the offices ainnit - just a different mask on the chairman.

The US right seem to disagree. They are having freakin' hysterics.

If he actually signs something at Copenhagen I genuinely fear for his safety.

Ivor 26 Nov 16:44


Same people in the offices ainnit - just a different mask on the chairman.




Ghostdog 26 Nov 17:03


The US right seem to disagree. They are having freakin' hysterics.

If he actually signs something at Copenhagen I genuinely fear for his safety.




the US right that are just playing their part in the theatre, although most prob dont realise it. all part of the plan. obama was intentionally elected as ineligible so that they could remove him in due course, once he's got through the sht that the elite want passed legislation-wise. he may have done sufficient already, or he may need to get climate change and cap n trade through too first. then when he is removed it will be heralded as a victory for the people yada yada, while the next bloke comes in. obama may get to form the north american union type thing first, before the next guy puts things back to normal again after. i would add, the fed will be gone by then, and the gold standard will rule the usa. in the meantime, obama thinks he has support of the elite - he only has support of the elite's puppets, and gradually they are turning the support off. the support will be gone in due course and they will get rid of him.

obama will be the scape goat - blamed for destroying america.

his long term replacement will return them to constitutional law , as the elites from the states take back power from the fed. the federal reserve will be removed from the equation by its own doing - it is bankrupt, sold loads of fake gold to the chinese and now they want to collect.

Monbiot says the science must be reanalysed following the corruption.

Dr J seems happy to simply ignore this and carry on as usual. Blind faith. Creationist.

Where exactly does Monbiot say 'the science needs reanalysing' please?

Splitting hairs. Is that all you've got left? :D

'Splitting hairs' = 'pointing out that this thread's entire premise is, in fact, wrong'.

Ah yes, we should ignore what has happened at Hadley because Monbiot said some of the data needs reanalysing not the whole science.

Good spot, Dr J. :D

maybe monbiot REALLY WANTS IT TO BE TRUE, because he's made a cnut of himself writing that book lol

hence the science in general is right in his opinion, just not those figures that have now been proven to be blx. :)

Monbiot says that the fraud is so serious Phil Jones should resign.

if he accepts it was wrong, his career is finito surely..

this seems like it satisfies the criteria of him being a vested interest no..

yes but he turns the article round at the end saying that its only a prob with that data, and only a couple of scientists are involved, when we know this is unlikely the case, especially since many other studies name his lot as having produced data that backs theirs up.

he has clearly not changed his opinion despite these revelations of late.

he has clearly not changed his opinion despite these revelations of late.

No, and he'd be barking mad to so.

It's one private e-mail, ffs - get over it. Yes, Prof Jones should resign immediately, but to infer from these messages that CC hasn't happened is laughable.

'It's one private e-mail, ffs - get over it.'

Err wrong yet again. It was 61megabytes of emails.

These, inter alia, referred to:-

1 Falsifying data to transform falling temperatures into rising temperatures
2 Attempts to suppress critical research from publication
3 Attempts to assure that 'peer review' was only carried out by accomplices who were on message.

This is fraud and as Monbiot writes,very damaging to the climate change movement.

yes. i read his article as saying "it's all very damaging, so we will have to double our efforts"

:)

the politicians don't have a clue on this imho

analysis of the climate requires highly intelligent people to work on it in order to be meaningful, and it is more than likely that a brilliant individual will get to and be able to demostrate the truth, not a majority of mediocre nobodies - the standard pro "climate change is caused by man" politico says that "a majority of scientists" are agreed on the subject.

well, before galileo and copernicus, a majority thought the earth was flat and the sun moved round the earth, and before einstein, a (99.9%) majority thought that newton's laws of motion were correct at all speeds, and before godel, a huge majority thought that bertrand russell's principia mathematica was the foundation of all theory.

there are two certainties in life (at least under Brown) - death and high taxes - the rest is conversation.

very damaging to the climate change movement

Actually it has blown them right out of the argument. They have lied and lied and lied... how anyone can give these fwckers any sort of platform in future is beyond belief.
The only thing 'man made' about climate change is the man made up data figures and the man made fortunes.
Just watching the Queen in Bermuda still spouting the same sh1te.. 'Climate change boo hoo!! It's all our fault!'
Give it a rest ma'am... IT'S A CON.

Wake up folks... the only thing 'they' want from you is your cash, pure and simple.

Is climate change happening? Of course it is. Is it being driven by mankind? Grow up FFS!

Bertrand Russell

Passive acceptance of the teacher's wisdom is easy to most boys and girls. It involves no effort of independent thought, and seems rational because the teacher knows more than his pupils; it is moreover the way to win the favour of the teacher unless he is a very exceptional man. Yet the habit of passive acceptance is a disastrous one in later life. It causes man to seek and to accept a leader, and to accept as a leader whoever is established in that position.

Or to seek and accept a widely held belief, the flavour of the moment.

The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
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Bertrand Russell, Marriage and Morals (1929) ch. 5

Now that's a doozy! :D