The former British police officer who wants to bring down Barack Obama

in fact most of the history they have printed is rubbish lol.

cases have been refused standing ie authority to challenge, they have not been thrown out on merits. in addition according to the docket for the recent taitz case only part of the case has been dismissed, and that part is now under reconsideration due to the judge's worrying refusal to accept political examples that do not argee with his personal political leanings.

but at least im not alone in what i see eh - sankey sees the same. clearly understands the law.

you dont think there could be some connection, what with the recent resignation of several key members of the justice department who have been representing obama in some of these court cases... nah, must be coincidence eh.

so its a marxist plot? :D

seemingly possible. his background both personal and financial is certainly questionable at best.

either way he is certainly ineligible imo. and whilst the golfjudge's of the usa say of course they are happy now he is governing to the far left, even gj himself at election time was saying on this very board how clearly he would govern from the centre, bring the usa together. yada yada yada.

he will be removed from office.

he was governed by the british at birth and freely admits it. this means he cannot be a natural born citizen for a natural born citizen is someone who hold sole allegiance to usa. he did not because his father was never a citizen, and allegiance follows the line of the father under natural law which the constituion was founded on. it was not based on english common law but on the common law, 2 different things. there are numerous court cases usa's history that make this clear. letters between the founders making it even more clear. painfully self evident for anyone that investigates in detail.

a nice advert from the washington times national weekly:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/22586923/Citizen-vs-Natural-Born-Citizen-20091116-Issue-of-Wash-Times-National-Weekly-pg-5

Has Ricky Gervaise been told Don.

the majority of the celeb circles help steer the "metrosexual, pantywaist, everyone owes me something" perception that the lefties live within, as someone so accurately refers to obama's supporters within the commmetns of that guardian article. this is because they think they know it all but are actually totally in the dark with regard to how the world, and the law really works due to the brainwashing they have received from spending their lives in entertainment, buying every word of what they see hear and read within the dog sht publications that they themselves help produce, thus brainwashing the public too who are also addicted to their drivel.

hope this helps

:)

powers that be want it to appear like a marxist plot at the very least - so that when he is removed they can claim it a victory for the people and for freedom, which it will be to an extent but also replaced with another form of oppression , further fear mongering etc etc, in the form of christianity. that's when the aliens they're gonna fake will come into play, further natural disasters and end of the world type stuff before and after - so partly strengthening the belief of the christians (re end of the world etc) but also undermining them with regard to parts of their historical beliefs, specifically re aliens etc. . anyway, the next president, heavily christian in his values will remain in power when william becomes king of england. by then the world will be a very different place and people will see william as the saviour of england. but long run he is lined up to be king of the world imo.

far out huh :p

forget that anyway :)

the question i have is, does this former scotland yard guy garner more credibility than DonWarro off betfair !? ..

Don get a stand at Hyde Park Corner , get a good crowd there .

What you smoking Don . I'd like some.

:)


forum scared off i see. ignoring this thread, the lefties are in real trouble debate-wise i'd say.

Just me and you Don .Hope you'r not grooming me .

I know I'm vulnerable I was a Moonee at one time .

lol :)

i encourage you to make your own decisions about things, keep an open mind, read a variety of sources from different perceptions. nothing is what is seems and there are no accidents or coincedences on a national and international level.

I only read the Racing Post .

best way. you are closer to the truth than without reading the mass of lies that constitutes the press and mainstream approved information

You say that but I'm sure they put me away sometimes.

lol. on the tipping front they likely do at times :) everyone's on the take nowadays eh

What you think of the Readers Digest Don.

I shall join in.
Assuming you are right and he was technically ineligible to stand how exactly is he going to be removed ? If one American Court find in favour of the plaintiffs there are numerous lines of appeal even for laymen if you have some money.
He was only elected for 4 years and there are just over 3 left. Absolutely no chance anything would be resolved by then.

posted on wrong thread epi..

DonWarro 23 Nov 00:11


havent opened one if 15 years.

i would say some truth some fiction. much the same everywhere. agendas and vested interest are hidden all over.

obama isnt even left-wing ffs so why would it be a marxist plot?

forum scared off?? Don you debate with yourself, ever thought they youre just a dull cnut?

fair comments salmon. i guess it will in part depend on the attitude of the people when the ruling occurs, and how the other legislators deal with it (and how many of them obama takes down with him). if they see him as a threat to the country, the vast majority,then following that ruling i've no doubt they will remove him. that said his removal could also cause civil war, because his remaining supporters are likely to see it as an attack on them, blindly following their leader due to their failure to understand the law and brainwashing by the media.

if he is not eligible, impeachment is not strictly an option. because he would be a usurper of the office, and therefore would never technically have been president (scrubbed from the history books - maybe then betfair will have to reevaluate their settled market on this for me lol)

the military may arrest him. or the authoities may arrest him/remove him. if none of them do following the courts ruling the people may even try it themselves, hence i expect on set of the authorities , perhaps even congress, to step in and give the order.

Tell em Don.

or you could be right. it could drag on til the end through the appeal system. if so "the patriots" will not be happy, and you still get civil war/unrest. it's coming now either way if this ruling occurs, like it will.

and yeh, to the other poster, im boring. go back to watching im a celebrity get me out of here if you're not interested. im not forcing you to read.

and re obama isn't even a leftist! lmao. tell that to the yanks. or check out is regular tendency to promote policies of big and expanding governemtn. yes he is in bed with many corporate types, but that does not make him on the right of the political spectrum lol and neither do his war stances. you are just seeing what leftist political figures stand for.

Obama from office or you to the funny farm Don, i know which one i think more likely

wheels of the bus go round and round
round round round round round round

wheels of the bus go round and round
round round round round round round

All day long...

glad to see our very own village idiot is back with a bang....

pussyclart has done his/her homework for playgroup tomorrow i see, wp :)

keep the insults coming, it's fun. continue your condemnation withou investigation and at least every day will be a surprise for you.

Salmon definitely out of his depth.

anything to help you on the way to Bedlam my friend...

the funny farm would have no jurisdiction im afraid. if they managed to get a warrant it would be unenforcable against me, seeing as i know hte law better than them.

salmon always feels he is swimming upstream against Don, who may well have a point. On the other hand........

anyway, this board is boring without me surely.. :p

Don you make me glad i live abroad ;-]

DonWarro 23 Nov 00:44
anyway, this board is boring without me surely.. :p

Nah mate your the dessert BIG CHARLIE and layemandpahyem are the main course...slurp slurp slurp...

From the Guardian article about the activities of this former policeman:

Most recently, he carried out an exhaustive search of databases that he claims threw up 140 different identification numbers and addresses for "Barack Obama". He admits the findings prove nothingthere is nothing to link the entries to the president

lol. i could set up multiples if i wanted, and you wouldnt be able to trace them to me either.

eligibility is the underlying issue anyway. it is obvious which direction he is taking the country in, not much debate required on that surely.

and pussycat you couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag, score in a brothel with 50 quid in your hand, let alone beat me in a debate. i guess that's why you're not trying.

No smoke without fire .Right Don.

often that's right. plenty of bllsht and propaganda about too though. who knows what to believe eh. hence rather than tkaing someone's word for it on the eligibility issue i have sought to understand myself. was the only way in the face of the strong effort made by team obama and the mainstream media to glaze over the issue.

i like how amik only posts very rarely, each time popping up as an obama defender :) tres amusant.

My cocoa has arrived . Fishing tomorrow nt all.

thank you , come again

Not for salmon I hope epicurean.

DonWarro 23 Nov 00:52
lol. i could set up multiples if i wanted, and you wouldnt be able to trace them to me either.

eligibility is the underlying issue anyway. it is obvious which direction he is taking the country in, not much debate required on that surely.

and pussycat you couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag, score in a brothel with 50 quid in your hand, let alone beat me in a debate. i guess that's why you're not trying.

MMMEEEEEOOOOOOOWWWWWW - I was complementing you on your superior knowledge of the law and ability to make a value bet...laying Obama for POTUS must have been the greatest bet to have been made only to be stolen from you in a Maradonna/Henry style foul play...

Just cannot understand how the most powerful country the world has ever seen could get shafted by a Kenyan shepherd and a teenage hippie chick.

It's obvious why you hate Obama. You assumed McCain would win and you placed a bet accordingly. You lost. If Obama is deemed ineligible for office, you believe your losing bet will be become a winning bet.

This birther controversy was in the public domain at the time of the election and the American people still voted for Obama.

As for Obama's policies, can say what he has done that is the opposite of what he said he would do during the election campaign?

Don is it possible that Obama was behind your recent ban? anything is possible eh?

amik -mccain was also ineligible. i didnt back mccain or obama.

I am lost on this. Why wasn`t McCain eligible iyo ?

and there are bigger things at stake than the money here.

re this:

This birther controversy was in the public domain at the time of the election and the American people still voted for Obama.

the facts of the matter were hidden. the media was heavily skewed towards obama - surely that was obvious to anyone, even if they supported him. there was in fact little objective reporting on him or this issue - the media immediately labelled it conspiracy theory, hence immediately applying a name "birther", so as to easily group together any dissenters or people that question and brush them off as fringe loonies. the trouble is, there are some loonies, but there are a lot of highly educated people out there too.

As for Obama's policies, can say what he has done that is the opposite of what he said he would do during the election campaign?

many would argue he's done a lot that he siad he would, which in the main the yanks didnt pick up on that he said he would do. there's also a lot of things where he's not followed through. transparency for one. cost savings secondly. containing unemployment (although that is nothing to do with his idealogue, just his uselessness, or maybe its planned..). guantamo bay. the war machine. the currency. spending. people are not happy with him regardless of what he said he would do.

Which birther facts were hidden?
What new birther facts have come to light since election day?
Please be specific.

mccain was not born on a us military base like the press keep saying - was born in colon hospital. foreign soil. means dual alleigiance at birth despite his parents being american, and therefore this doesnt meet the constitutional requirement of "natural born citizen" needed in order to hold the office of president. besides that it is a myth held by the public that military base is american soil - the department of defence confirms this if you check the manual. i posted a link up on one of these threads last year. mccain is actually a citizen by statute i think, again meaning not foreign born - there's some act they triied to apply retrospectively to classify him as natural born but it doesnt hold water.

amik - i will be a few minutes.

be more specific as to the fringe loonies,please ;-]

salmon spray 23 Nov 01:13
I am lost on this. Why wasn`t McCain eligible iyo ?

basically McCain was born on a US Panama army base and Obama was born in Kenya/Australia/Indonesia so his bet was a null and void Presidential race...

I really don`t know about Obama, but,whilst no expert on The American Constitution, I do have a degree in Politics and my understanding was that childern born abroad to American servicemen, diplomats etc were definitely eligible.

'Natural born citizen' has no constitutional defintion.The American people knew of and accepted McCain background. I am not aware of any person of note who alleged that McCain was not a natural born citizen of the USA.

The American people accepted Obama and McCain as suitable candidates and that should be good enough for everyone else.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11737124/Citizenship-Terms-Used-in-the-US-Constitution-The-5-Terms-Defined-Some-Legal-Reference-to-Same

and this will take you some time. and there's more to follow. you asked so i will provide the o.

[i]When interpreting the Constitution, we must decide whether we will look to the document as an original and static one whose meaning has already been established at a given time by the People and its Framers or one that is living and which can be changed over any given time by a court of law. See the address of Justice Antonin Scalia to the 2008 Annual National Lawyers Convention on November 22, 2008, at the Mayflower Hotel, in Washington, D.C. http://www.fed-soc.org/publications/pubid.1193/pub_detail.asp. (advocates originalism rather than living constitutionalism). I submit that Article IIs

mccain was NOT born on an army base. was born in colon civillian hospital.

you're gonna need a few hours to catch up on all this.

Who is this person Apuzzo and why should I be interested in his opinion?
Not reading that long post. Good night.

[i]Article II of our Constitution has a lot to say about how a would-be President is born. "Natural born Citizen" status requires not only birth on U.S. soil but also birth to parents who are both U.S. citizens by birth or naturalization. This unity of jus soli (soil) and jus sanguinis (descent) in the child at the time of birth assures that the child is born with sole allegiance (obligation of fidelity and obedience to government in consideration for protection that government gives (U.S. v. Kuhn, 49 F.Supp.407, 414 (D.C.N.Y)) and loyalty to the United States and that no other nation can lay any claim to the child's (later an adult) allegiance and loyalty. Indeed, under such birth circumstances, no other nation can legally or morally demand any military or political obligations from that person. The child, as he/she grows, will also have a better chance of not psychologically struggling with conflicted allegiance and loyalty to any other nation.

Unity of citizenship and allegiance is based on the teachings of the law of nature (natural law) and the law of nations, as confirmed by ancient Greek and Roman law; American, European, and English constitutions, common and civil law, and statutes; and Vattel's, The Law of Nations, all of which the Founding Fathers read and understood. These sources have taught civilizations from time immemorial that a person gains allegiance and loyalty and therefore attachment for a nation from either being born on the soil of the community defining that nation or from being born to parents who were also born on that same soil or who naturalized as though they were born on that soil. It is only by combining at birth in the child both means to inherit these two sources of citizenship that the child by nature and therefore also by law is born with only one allegiance and loyalty to and consequently attachment for only the United States.

Our Constitution requires unity of U.S. citizenship and allegiance from birth only for the Office of President and Commander in Chief of the Military, given the unique nature of the position, a position that empowers one person to decide whether our national survival requires the destruction of or a nuclear attack on or some less military measure against another nation or group. It is required of the President because such a status gives the American people the best Constitutional chance that a would-be President will not have any foreign influences which because of conflict of conscience can most certainly taint his/her critical decisions made when leading the nation. Hence, the special status is a Constitutional eligibility requirement to be President and thereby to be vested with the sole power to decide the fate and survival of the American people. Of course, the status, being a minimum Constitutional requirement, does not guarantee that a would-be President will have love and fealty only for the United States. Therefore, the final informed and intelligent decision on who the President will be is left to the voters, the Electors, and Congress at the Joint Session, to whom hopefully responsible media and political institutions will have provided all the necessary vetting information concerning the candidate's character and qualifications to be President.

Through historical development, unity of citizenship and sole allegiance at birth is not required for U.S. born citizen Senators, Representatives, and regular citizens under the 14th Amendment and Congressional enactments. In contradiction and which confirms the Founding Fathers' meaning of what a "natural born Citizen" is, naturalized citizens, since 1795, before becoming such must swear an oath that they renounce all other allegiances to other nations. During the Washington Administration, the First Congress passed the Naturalization Act of 1795 in which it provided that new citizens take a solemn oath to support the Constitution and

DonWarro 23 Nov 01:33
you're gonna need a few hours to catch up on all this.

Do you sometimes lose the will to live? :(

night amik. if you give it all a chance, you will see the case precidents that prove what i am saying. this is what the court will be hearing. i appreciate you're not interested in those sorts of facts ;)

Facts or one person's opinion?

so Don you truly expect Obama to be removed from office?

[i]There are two United States Supreme Court decisions that show that the meaning of an Article II

traveller43 23 Nov 01:39
so Don you truly expect Obama to be removed from office?

Where you ever in a bookie and done your money including the leccy bill, food bill, credit card bill, car insurance bill and mortgage repayment...your last bet lost by 6 lengths...you threw away your slip and the commentator suddenly says there may be an enquiry...you scramble around the discarded slips for your ticket....etc etc....and the announcer never confirms that there is an enquiry but you live in hope...?

This is DonWarro position atm

all very comprehensive but far too long for anyone to want to read i appreciate :)

i am fortunate to be able to take in a lot of info very quickly. i have given you the gist of why he is ineligible - it is because his father was never a citizen. simple as that. the rest is just window dressing and may make him ineligible, or it may not.

pussycat - the candidate i backed was such long odds that i only needed to stake a few hundred quid for a possible 300k return. like i say the money was not and is not the point, but of course 300k would always be welcomed :)

amik - the case precedents are facts. put up your obama is eligible defence and i will respond. i will try to keep it short.

natural born citizen has actually been defined through implication numerous times. depends if you know how to read law or not. many things remain unsaid but at the same time remain facts.

DonWarro 23 Nov 01:45
all very comprehensive but far too long for anyone to want to read i appreciate :)

i am fortunate to be able to take in a lot of info very quickly. i have given you the gist of why he is ineligible - it is because his father was never a citizen. simple as that. the rest is just window dressing and may make him ineligible, or it may not.

I will lay you 3/1 no one has read even the first paragraph... :)


DonWarro 23 Nov 01:47
pussycat - the candidate i backed was such long odds that i only needed to stake a few hundred quid for a possible 300k return. like i say the money was not and is not the point, but of course 300k would always be welcomed :)

been there my crazy friend - if only if only....

i was just saying - you make out like i bet the house. if you think that once/if he is removed i wont be fighting for my winnings though you are mistaken :)

of course no one's read what i posted. no one reads anythign that's too long, they take people's word for it. that's why everyone is clueless about everything lol.

The American people knew of Obama's family background and still voted for him. They have decided the matter and their decision is the only one that counts. A blogger's interpretation of the Constitution does not overturn the will of the American people.

DonWarro 23 Nov 01:52
i was just saying - you make out like i bet the house. if you think that once/if he is removed i wont be fighting for my winnings though you are mistaken

Please say you at least have some interest in getting paid out?

if it isn't then you are truly**ers....

sorry I read your post wrong

attorney, not blogger. and a respected one at that.

i would suggest that most voters did not give it a second thought, falling for the spin accusing it of being right-wing propaganda. the media made a complete mockery of the issue, and the people were too lazy to really bother reading anything about it. the issue was marginalised, so credibility was automatically reduced quickly and sharply.

most voters go with what they see on the telly. did you see this issue covered non-derogatively? and the papers passed off anyone who questioned this issue as racists, ignroing that it was about the law. ultimately the will of the people doesn't matter in law anyway, much to their dismay (of course they dont realise it). america is a constitutional republic, which means the law stands above public opinion. statutes cannot amend the constitution - the only way they get round it is by forcing the people into commerce without their knowledge, dealing with them as names (corporations) rather than people.

if you want to change the constitution, or replace it, a constitutional convention is required

this can only be formed by the states, not the people. the constution like i said before is a contract between the federal government and the states. the states are "the people".

[b][i]To be

apuzzo btw, has rarely been mentioned by the press, depsite being lead council for a number of cases against obama, on behalf of military and other qualified intereted persons. they do not mock him in the press because he is respected and others will stand up for him.

another thing for amik - when obama said he was going to "redistribute the wealth", most americans did not think he meant it literally and would overrule property rights like he has. this has scared everyone. they've realised now he meant it literally, so only his die-hard support still believes in him, because you don't bite the hand that feeds you eh.

for salmon :

salmon spray 23 Nov 01:31


I really don`t know about Obama, but,whilst no expert on The American Constitution, I do have a degree in Politics and my understanding was that childern born abroad to American servicemen, diplomats etc were definitely eligible.

citizens by statute, yes. eligible for president, ie natural born citizens, no. nbc - a circumstance of birth - all citizens have equal rights but only natural born citizens may be president. all about they way by which the person acquires their citizenship, as to whether they are eligible for the office.

gnight for now.