Consequences of pulling out of Afghanistan

If we are going to be attacked, it will be by people who live in Yorkshire, Birmingham or London who have British passports.

The liquid bomb plot that was foiled with 4 people successfully prosecuted originated in...Walthamstow!

Its a damn sight easier for the taleban to kill us when we are in Afghanistan, it would take ages for them to come over here and kill as many.

I think we have to pull out and make it a no-fly country. Control all the airports.

I'm not sure the Taleban will have it as easy as you think. The old socialist regime in Afghanistan survived for more than three years against the Mujaheddin after the Soviet Union left. Their eventual loss was put down to Gorbachev refusing to give the regime oil products.

You might as well abandon the rural areas because the Taleban control them anyway (80% of the country). Difficult to see how that will change.

I think the current regime could well survive indefinitely. They will continue to have access to Western weaponry, expertise and money that the socialists did not. The Taleban's primary military weapon, the IED, is useless for attacking a city.

As for al-quaeda, it is never really explained who al-quaeda are. The number of people around Bin Laden was actually very small, probably only dozens. Most of them are probably dead now or in Pakistan or elsewhere. If you mean al-quaeda in the sense of any Muslim who wants to blow ** up, then there are tens of thousands of them outside Afghanistan anyway.

Why don't we do a Hadrian and build a bloody great wall with towers every half mile along the border with Pakistan? Would stop the seemingly limitless supply of explosives, guns etc which stream across the border.
Do you think the SAS are in hiding on the border ambushing the Taliban as they come over from Pakistan? If not, why not?
I know it's a wild and wooly part of the world, but surely some form of pre-fabricated metal fence could be installed by the US given their huge reserves?

Are these ideas barmy? Seems to me if you cut off the supplies you win easily? It's not as if the Taliban have any air capacity.

:^0 ^^^^^ a very small border, and very easy to build a wall while you will get ambushed every day. Then you have to do it with Iran as well.

We are getting ambushed every day as it is.
If we don't try and shut the door on supplies, we can never beat the Taliban. We ought to stop all travel to Pakistan from the UK by our own Pakistani young men. Would slow up the numbers of Taliban .
Any UK citizens caught by our forces should be shot out of hand.

any other bits of the planet you'd like to build a wall around?

why not solve the problem more efficiently and with less expense by building a wall around (and roof over) the British Isles ... i think i can guarantee very few protests from the rest of the world.

i think i can guarantee very few protests from the rest of the world.

What about the thousands here illegally and the thousands trying to get in?

i suspect that those unfortunate enough not to have won the lottery of life may be persuaded to accept the quid pro quo that those within the wall stay put.

It is a nuisance being dim gus, I just dont know why you advertise it so often

At what point I wonder will the truth come out re Al Qaeda..

Do they exist? If so in what numbers? If they are so feared why do they use such primitive explosives? Where is their base?

Our 'war on terror' (yuk!) has fuelled hatred across the world, wherever Muslim extremists live, including here. Was that the plan all along I wonder...

We need an excuse to go into Iran at some point I would think, not to mention other oil rich nations in the region..

blackburn 17 Nov 16:18

It is a nuisance being dim gus, I just dont know why you advertise it so often

Freudian slips, lion-fighting midgets, top-up fees...

He really is rattled now

Come on Doc, gus is a dim witted and narrow minded buffoon, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't need you to stick up for him.

blackburn 17 Nov 08:17

Its a damn sight easier for the taleban to kill us when we are in Afghanistan, it would take ages for them to come over here and kill as many.

ffs that sounds like something an 8yr old would come out with

buy yourself some braincells blackie

Bring back the troops and send them to Birmingham, Bradford, Walthamstow etc?

gus
You really are a little Nation hater aren't you?
Suggest you burn your passport in protest. Once you have left the UK of course.

Thought you wanted to be a Yank overboard?

rob taleban of every thing they have....send 8000 camels and somali pirates.....betfair open a market on the winners.

No consequenses for afghanistan, only national political probs for the countries pulling out. When not if.

I seriously think that there's a good chance that we will be there for a long time and nobody is coming out, why?

because once our forces came out of Afghanistan, talibans would take control immediatly and then it would be time to take over Pakistan and we all know what they have...nukes

So not many solutions, it's a mess of a problem

Injera 17 Nov 07:19
If we are going to be attacked, it will be by people who live in Yorkshire, Birmingham or London who have British passports.

The liquid bomb plot that was foiled with 4 people successfully prosecuted originated in...Walthamstow!

The plot became the biggest terror investigation in the UK and intelligence officers believe it was directed by al-Qaeda figures in Pakistan.

So it hardly originated in Walthamstow. As far as I know all the British terrorists have been shown to have had links with al-Qaeda.
The stronger the al-Qaeda base the more attacks within Britain there are likely to be imo.

Pakistan was also one of only three countries, along with Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE), which recognised the Taliban when they were in power in Afghanistan from the mid-1990s until 2001.

It was also the last country to break diplomatic ties with the Taliban.

I believe I am right in saying that in order to gain the support of the current Pakistan military government the US allowed them to be a nuclear power.

The IRA lost the will to cause the deaths of innocent people as really it makes no sense and didn't aid their cause. Personally I believe Ireland should have power over the north. Why should Britain attempt to hang on to Northern Ireland which is a remnant of Britain's past as a colonial power.
I also believe that you should never give in to terrorism or freedom fighters as I believe the IRA prefer to be called.

The Taliban have a lot of support in Pakistan as well as Afghanistan.
We should talk to the Taliban's leaders and although some of their laws and culture ( particularly regarding women ) are abhorrent to us in the Western World we should explain that what we are really objecting to is the way at the very least they condone terrorist attacks against the West.

That we can never allow that but we should talk to them and maybe attempt to split the more peaceful Taliban from the rest. [ In the same way in Treland there exists the 'Real IRA' which is a small minority] ....... perhaps that would allow us to make some kind of an exit.

The bomb attacks in London were indiscriminate and amongst the 52 dead were innocent people from many countries outside the UK. How does this help anyone's cause ?

Curious-Cat - the liquid bombers may well have had some sort of direction given to them from Pakistan.

But if we have British passport holders willing to blow up their own country then the terrorist threat to this nation is surely within our own borders. The terrorists are already our neighbours.

They may indeed get some input from abroad but you don't have to be a genius to make a bomb and you certainly don't need to travel to Afghanistan or Pakistan.

As for talking to the Taliban - I think it's the only solution. But I'd prefer it if the other Arab nations did the talking as they would carry more influence. What do you think?

Dont the local warlords control their own patches as opposed to the Taleban