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Health and safety inspectors are to be given unprecedented access to family homes to ensure that parents are protecting their children from household accidents.
New guidance drawn up at the request of the Department of Health urges councils and other public sector bodies to
New guidance drawn up at the request of the Department of Health urges councils and other public sector bodies to
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The state has gone mad. Totally out of control now like a tumour feeding itself.
Council staff will then be tasked with overseeing the installation of safety devices in homes, including smoke alarms, stair gates, hot water temperature restrictors, oven guards and window and door locks.
What about people who arent drawing benefits, will they have to pay for all this themselves?
What about people who arent drawing benefits, will they have to pay for all this themselves?
What's this?
The proposals have been put out to consultation and, if approved, will be implemented next year.
It's not a done deal then?
The proposals have been put out to consultation and, if approved, will be implemented next year.
It's not a done deal then?
Maybe they should consider keeping them safe on the streets first.
What about people who arent drawing benefits, will they have to pay for all this themselves?
The article doesn't mention people on benefits.
I think it's a good idea that could save hundreds of children's lives every year. Of course, we'd all rather parents fitted the smoke alarms themselves, but for the tiny amount of taxpayers' money this iniative would cost (relative to, say, bailing out the Socialist Bankers), I think the outcomes would be excellent.
Well done the government.
The article doesn't mention people on benefits.
I think it's a good idea that could save hundreds of children's lives every year. Of course, we'd all rather parents fitted the smoke alarms themselves, but for the tiny amount of taxpayers' money this iniative would cost (relative to, say, bailing out the Socialist Bankers), I think the outcomes would be excellent.
Well done the government.
I dont think its about money more personel intrusion Dr J. The State has no right to enter a private house when no evidence of lawbreaking has been obtained.
You seem a big suppprter of 'civil liberties ' when it comes to ID cards etc but seem the most oppressive state driven control freak whenever something like this comes up
You seem a big suppprter of 'civil liberties ' when it comes to ID cards etc but seem the most oppressive state driven control freak whenever something like this comes up
The State has no right to enter a private house when no evidence of lawbreaking has been obtained.
That's not what the iniative is about though. The idea is that if, say, a social worker notices that a house full of children doesn't have a smoke alarm, the Council should be able to fit one.
I'm against state intervention without good cause, simon, but here the rationale seems perfectly valid.
That's not what the iniative is about though. The idea is that if, say, a social worker notices that a house full of children doesn't have a smoke alarm, the Council should be able to fit one.
I'm against state intervention without good cause, simon, but here the rationale seems perfectly valid.
but how does a council employee notice a smoke alarm is not there in the first place -only a very few houses get searched like this by authorities now and I wonder if this is an excuse to enter any premises the state feels like
History has taught us that Social Workers don't like to go into poor peoples smelly houses where they don't get a cup of tea and the dog looks scary.
Will only affect decent law abiding people with aspirations and jobs.
Will only affect decent law abiding people with aspirations and jobs.
This is the sort of measure that if introduced would guarantee Labour losing the next election.
Why dont they just leave people alone to bring up their kids in peace?
Why dont they just leave people alone to bring up their kids in peace?
Dr J 17 Nov 11:49
That's not what the iniative is about though. The idea is that if, say, a social worker notices that a house full of children doesn't have a smoke alarm, the Council should be able to fit one.
Where do you get that from? It says Health inspectors should start making notes on people's houses, not social workers.
That's not what the iniative is about though. The idea is that if, say, a social worker notices that a house full of children doesn't have a smoke alarm, the Council should be able to fit one.
Where do you get that from? It says Health inspectors should start making notes on people's houses, not social workers.
Will only affect decent law abiding people with aspirations and jobs.
But surely it can only affect anyone for the positive?
I'm struggling to see how anyone - poor, rich, hard-working, scrounging or whatever - can object to someone telling them there's an unnecessary danger in their home then offering to**it for free.
"It's the state searching your home" seems paranoid to me.
But surely it can only affect anyone for the positive?
I'm struggling to see how anyone - poor, rich, hard-working, scrounging or whatever - can object to someone telling them there's an unnecessary danger in their home then offering to**it for free.
"It's the state searching your home" seems paranoid to me.
Fine give them all smoke alarm, how long before batteries removed, to put into the tv remote control?
I'm struggling to see how anyone - poor, rich, hard-working, scrounging or whatever - can object to someone telling them there's an unnecessary danger in their home then offering to**it for free.
Its the assumption that all citizens are incapable of looking after themselves. My guess is those who agree with the idea fall into that category.
And the idea that they are fixing it for free is even more bloody stupid, are we having a team of volunteers to pick smoke alarms from trees.
Its the assumption that all citizens are incapable of looking after themselves. My guess is those who agree with the idea fall into that category.
And the idea that they are fixing it for free is even more bloody stupid, are we having a team of volunteers to pick smoke alarms from trees.
The councils have got too much power already, and as we've seen from their abuse of the terrorists/surveillance powers, they are not to be trusted.
How long before a child is taken into care over one of these health and safety issues?
It's easy to see it happening if a parent refuses to cooperate.
How long before a child is taken into care over one of these health and safety issues?
It's easy to see it happening if a parent refuses to cooperate.
It happened in Scotland crippen a couple of weeks back because the kids were fat.
The luvvies want a personal nutritionist in every house to make sure they're eating enough muesli and tofu.
The luvvies want a personal nutritionist in every house to make sure they're eating enough muesli and tofu.
Fine give them all smoke alarm, how long before batteries removed, to put into the tv remote control?
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Dr J I never had you down as a fascist.
This intervention in private lives is unbelievable and totally unacceptable. What tf has it to do with the government whether or not a smoke alarm is installed or not?
We are sleepwalking into a police state imo.
This intervention in private lives is unbelievable and totally unacceptable. What tf has it to do with the government whether or not a smoke alarm is installed or not?
We are sleepwalking into a police state imo.
Is it facistic for the state to intervene if parents don't use car seats? What about the woman in the news yesterday who left her three children home alone while out partying all night? Is there really that much difference between endangering children's lives in this way and knowingly having an unsafe home?
i rather think that children were more in danger statistically in that mothers case than having no smoke alarm
Dr J 17 Nov 14:22
Is it facistic for the state to intervene if parents don't use car seats?
Too strong a word but its still wrong. Theres the story (apocryphal but apt) of the motorcylce policeman who stops the driver because the kids had no belt on.
"But we've got no belts"
So the copper gives him a ticket and tells him to drive the kids straight home. Crash helmets is another stupid law.
Is it facistic for the state to intervene if parents don't use car seats?
Too strong a word but its still wrong. Theres the story (apocryphal but apt) of the motorcylce policeman who stops the driver because the kids had no belt on.
"But we've got no belts"
So the copper gives him a ticket and tells him to drive the kids straight home. Crash helmets is another stupid law.
i think cars are different becasue they are in the public domain and in view-nobody needs a warran to look at a moving car.
Dr. J., I think you are out of touch on this one. You see, what you do in your home has different status to out there in the world. Where does "advising" end? Can't smoke in your own home if you have kids there? Can't feed them too fatty a diet?
Perhaps these are reasonable. But Gvt officials telling you what to eat, whether to smoke, in your own home?
Same goes for stuff like smoke alarms. "look, smoke alarms are a pain in the *rse because the missus always sets them off with her cooking" - is such a view not allowed?
The state has no right to make choices for me about my home, and there is an inexorable rise in its desire to do so.
F*CK OFF AND LEAVE US ALONE, is sort of my view.
Perhaps these are reasonable. But Gvt officials telling you what to eat, whether to smoke, in your own home?
Same goes for stuff like smoke alarms. "look, smoke alarms are a pain in the *rse because the missus always sets them off with her cooking" - is such a view not allowed?
The state has no right to make choices for me about my home, and there is an inexorable rise in its desire to do so.
F*CK OFF AND LEAVE US ALONE, is sort of my view.
Dr J
Yes.
She should be punished.
Yes, there is a big difference.
Yes.
She should be punished.
Yes, there is a big difference.
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