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There seems to be a nasty vein of etiquette fascism creeping into this year's war celebrations.
I've always felt I should support and observe Remembrance Day but I feel like this it is being turned into a political issue this year.
I have great respect for the fallen in WWI and WWII. But it seems like the issue is becoming politicized to support a right-wing agenda. It seems like people are waiting to catch you out for not wearing a poppy or saying something ambivalent about Britain's military history.
This latest spat over Brown misspelling one of the fallen soldier's names-do people not reallize that an error like that is inevitable given the number of potential deviations from protocol involved in this type of thing?
With Iraq and Afghanistan everyone seems to be "supporting the troops",left and right. I don't know why. First, it is a big dumb waste of money we can't afford right now. Second, I don't want to see British soldiers killed and that is best prevented by bringing them home. I don't want "their sacrifice honoured". They died for nothing and they will continue to die for nothing until people wake up to that.
There seems to be a peculiarly American trend towards beatifying military service and forbidding any kind of dissent on the matter-exactly the same type of political correctness the Right always complains about.
I've always felt I should support and observe Remembrance Day but I feel like this it is being turned into a political issue this year.
I have great respect for the fallen in WWI and WWII. But it seems like the issue is becoming politicized to support a right-wing agenda. It seems like people are waiting to catch you out for not wearing a poppy or saying something ambivalent about Britain's military history.
This latest spat over Brown misspelling one of the fallen soldier's names-do people not reallize that an error like that is inevitable given the number of potential deviations from protocol involved in this type of thing?
With Iraq and Afghanistan everyone seems to be "supporting the troops",left and right. I don't know why. First, it is a big dumb waste of money we can't afford right now. Second, I don't want to see British soldiers killed and that is best prevented by bringing them home. I don't want "their sacrifice honoured". They died for nothing and they will continue to die for nothing until people wake up to that.
There seems to be a peculiarly American trend towards beatifying military service and forbidding any kind of dissent on the matter-exactly the same type of political correctness the Right always complains about.
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cheese, disagree with the war, but respect the people giving their lives. They don't decide what wars we fight, they just fight them.
They don't decide what wars we fight, they just fight them.
I know what you mean, but there's a danger that in marking their bravery society implicit lends its support to the unjust wars in which they died.
I know what you mean, but there's a danger that in marking their bravery society implicit lends its support to the unjust wars in which they died.
cheese's final sentence is absolutely on the money.
The new PC brigade are the 'support the troops' oafs who cannot see the difference between supporting the troops (which is fine by me if that's your thing) and opposing the war.
Not wearing a poppy? Disgraceful.
How do you know I haven't contributed £100 to the fund but chosen not to wear a poppy as I'm fed up with the people in the new PC brigade?
The new PC brigade are the 'support the troops' oafs who cannot see the difference between supporting the troops (which is fine by me if that's your thing) and opposing the war.
Not wearing a poppy? Disgraceful.
How do you know I haven't contributed £100 to the fund but chosen not to wear a poppy as I'm fed up with the people in the new PC brigade?
cheese do you have the testes to go to war for your county? would be one of my last choices as a career they have my uptmost repect,
flush
Where does he say they don't have his respect?
Like I said, the new PC brigade cannot bear to hear anything other than 100% full-on bluster from people who have never been near a war zone and don't ever want to be.
cheese is spot on.
Where does he say they don't have his respect?
Like I said, the new PC brigade cannot bear to hear anything other than 100% full-on bluster from people who have never been near a war zone and don't ever want to be.
cheese is spot on.
Wear one, don't wear one. Do what you like. People who look down on those who don't wear poppies are stupid. But people who moan about those who do, you are just moaning for the sake of it. Are you that insecure? Have you got nothing more important to think about?
no he is not bara after visiting ypres and the world war battlefields remebrance day is only a gesture ,the lions have always been led by donkeys ,mostly young idealistic working class men with morals and a sense of duty no matter whether you agree or disagree not enough is done to celebrate what the few did for so many ,sheeit that you can spout on this website is testament to that.
There is a intolerance about anything that isnt the mainsteam view in the 21st century, its designed to shut people up. Its usually a sign of a country not being at ease with itself.
Yes flush, and the real question of why they died is avoided because 'now is not the time to debate such matters, now is the time to mourn the dead'.
How convenient!
When is the time to debate such matters?
NEVER!
How convenient!
When is the time to debate such matters?
NEVER!
ours is not to reason why ,
our is just to do or die
our is just to do or die
Im glad we seem to all be in agreement that ALL subjects should be discussed and that PC is a bad thing.
Now do we want to discuss the 1st or 2nd world war??
Now do we want to discuss the 1st or 2nd world war??
At least now you dont get given a feather, so whats so NEW about it??, its always been there, throughout time.
Agree, garbage.
I support the troops but oppose the war.
When I questioned a Tory MP about how and why they voted for the Iraq invasion on the basis of Blair's transparent tripe I was told Traditionally the Conservative Party supports the Army.
IMO they would have shown more support by opposing until the "evidence" could be examined, amnd proper military objectives and an exit straegy drawn up.
This would have scuppered Blairs promises to Bush, but would have done the Armed Forces a favour.
After the London and Glasgow bombings if you suggested the invasion of Iraq might have been a catalyst, NL policy was to suggest you were "excusing terrorism".
I support the troops but oppose the war.
When I questioned a Tory MP about how and why they voted for the Iraq invasion on the basis of Blair's transparent tripe I was told Traditionally the Conservative Party supports the Army.
IMO they would have shown more support by opposing until the "evidence" could be examined, amnd proper military objectives and an exit straegy drawn up.
This would have scuppered Blairs promises to Bush, but would have done the Armed Forces a favour.
After the London and Glasgow bombings if you suggested the invasion of Iraq might have been a catalyst, NL policy was to suggest you were "excusing terrorism".
They will hide behind the troops when it suits, then leave them horrendously under-equipped when it doesn't.
Lowest of the low they are.
Lowest of the low they are.
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