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The Klup
06 Jan 11 22:24
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Hi guys - i got some insight that Betfair could be looking to do a little forum promo to give away two seats to Betfair Live London.

I was thinking we could have a team event.  Two man teams - and it could be either a four game series or a one off game.

If a one off game, we could say that whoever wins the event, gets the package for his team.

Thoughts and comments please :)
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Report NickFiickTheOriginal January 7, 2011 11:19 PM GMT
Pairs/doubles sounds fine. Not sure if enough of each for mixed doubles.
Could just randomly pair.
Happy any way. Certainly decent idea for any giveaway promotion.
As for Billynomates I'm happy to pair up with any unwanteds for this. So no need to worry.
Other than I'm not doing well 1 week into 2011. Perhaps this weekend it will change.
Report The Fly January 8, 2011 5:11 PM GMT
teams of 2 sounds good - can I be in Obe's team please?
Report Ovalman. January 8, 2011 6:15 PM GMT
If it's Betfair adding the prizes and us/ you running it, why not have a similar tournament to the last community forum games? It doesn't have to be much but Betfair could add a few spot prizes like they did before like the bubble milestones and bounties.

The rebuy tournament was fun so I'd like to keep that.

It keeps it simpler than forming teams and half the team goes AWOL yet gets rewarded for not playing.
Report boysie January 8, 2011 6:17 PM GMT
Lets get it on , last months tournament was excellent , and incentive of night in London sounds good to me!!! i'll play with anyone who will have me LOL !!!
Report The Klup January 8, 2011 6:36 PM GMT
OK - how about:

Players / Teams declared in the forum by say 18 January.  Once we know the teams, we can set up a game with a $5 buy in and a $2 rebuy (with password). The game can be played on Monday 24th January.

Maybe having the deadline much earlier than the game showing in the tournament lobby will help prevent those who look in the lobby from leeching off the forum game just because they saw it in the lobby. Thus forumites are more likely to benefit that way.   

Winning team will get the tickets if there team was declared in the forum by the closing date?


If people dont like a 2 man team format, it could be any man for himself.


Alternatively we can all put our names in a hat and do a random draw to create 2 man teams (we will use online software like easysweep.com)
Report boysie January 8, 2011 6:40 PM GMT
i think names in hat random draw is way forwatd
Report Ovalman. January 8, 2011 6:49 PM GMT
OK if it's a team event, take in my points above. Random draw sounds good but as an extra thought, the team that wins has a 25% stake in the winners of the seats, paid out as a freeroll if they cash?

I'm sure it could be arranged?

BTW Klup, if you're attending, I owe you a pint.
Report Ovalman. January 8, 2011 6:51 PM GMT
lol, get you now on the 2 man team format. Doh!
Report chipfireball January 8, 2011 8:19 PM GMT
if you make it every man for himself the entire world will want to play at the last minute and make a million and one excuses for not registering an interest sooner on the forum.

personally i'd say 2 man teams, drawn on a set date, with no entries for stragglers once the draw has been made. otherwise you will just get random people seeing the game in the lobby, coming here for the password and demanding to be allocated to a team. once you accept one late entry you have to accept em all.
Report The Klup January 8, 2011 8:28 PM GMT
i like your comments chipfireball... i think forumites declare interest by a set date. We upload the names to a random generating sweepstakes site and confirm the teams.

We then have the game put into the lobby. I think we need the game password with a buy-in of say $5 with a $2 rebuy so that the winner of the game also gets some cash as we have been offered 2 seats (ie. not packages).

If one team member does not turn up / play, then maybe we should have a rule that if thats the case, a sole team member wins both seats for himself and a mate of his choice (like me for instance Laugh [;)] ).

1500 starting chips, 10 minute clock and 1500 chips per rebuy, with 2500 at add on stage?
Report BadWolfOne January 8, 2011 8:34 PM GMT
what? random teams suck , why? because you could be paired with some realy bad fish or with a sitout or something like that , so you basicly loose the battle before it even starts , it would be better each team posting the 2 nicknames on the forum and thats that

but my opinion is that every man for himself is better

also 2 man teams means collusion , but by doing this we violate the T&C of Betfair
Report safc1 January 8, 2011 9:07 PM GMT
please can we play on weekend so us workers can enter please
Report The Klup January 8, 2011 9:14 PM GMT
ok safc ... i will make sure its a sunday game.
Report The Klup January 8, 2011 9:16 PM GMT
for people to win a game where its every player for himself - they can play the satelites ... whats the point of having a forum game if it doesnt have a bit of a twist??


Im very open to having people preselect their teams.
Report safc1 January 8, 2011 9:17 PM GMT
nice one dino as im a burglar and work funny shifts ican take sunday off well appreciated m8
Report never loses January 8, 2011 9:22 PM GMT
this sounds fun how about 4 games series  with half going through  each game a $5 buyin with the buyins making up the prizepool for final game with the tickets plus money up for grabs no paired teams so if u win u get to take who u want
Report never loses January 8, 2011 9:34 PM GMT
or teams of four winning team gets all tickets   could be a points game over 4 games with a $3 dollar buyin each time with the money making up a prizepool final game to keep people interested
Report chipfire227 January 8, 2011 9:59 PM GMT
the bigger you make the teams and the more games you play the more complicated it gets. and, as has already been stated, you could end up with a situation where one member only plays one game and fails to cash but gets a seat, wheras someone who has played 4 times and final tabled 4 times doesnt get one.

if theres 2 seats then teams of 2 is logical. whether teams are drawn at random or arranged by the participants themselves is irrelevant really. the main thing is that the teams are all decided and published before the game goes in the lobby, and once it is in the lobby, no more teams are accepted, which makes it more likely regular contributors to the forum get them.
Report ajcairns. January 8, 2011 10:00 PM GMT
a ticket issued to the list of people who have pre declared an interest would stop any problems with the password
Report gnashersblackpool January 8, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
2 man teams ideally, esp as only 2 prizes .
personally, think random teams are better, and needs soring a squick as possible, only a 5 weeks till live comp.
Report NickFiickTheOriginal January 8, 2011 10:06 PM GMT
I'm in. Sounds good. Just bubbled in my level 3 sat but $56 was nice bonus.
Report The Klup January 8, 2011 10:07 PM GMT
im more in favour of a one off game to be honest. We are talking about 2 x $400 tickets and to host 4 games waters down the value IMHO.

Agreed - a ticket option is the preferred option , my only concern was - we then lose the ability to create a cash pool to compliment the seat.

Do we need the cash pool to compliment? Or are the seats on their own just fine?
Report appollo January 8, 2011 10:10 PM GMT
Its got to be 2 man teams as there are only 2 prizes and I support the random teams idea
Report chipfire227 January 8, 2011 10:20 PM GMT
agree with gnash, for those of us up north that would need to arrange travel and accomodation its better if its played as a one off asap.
Report safc1 January 8, 2011 10:21 PM GMT
Two man team to me is spot on with a cash pool added for people
who dont live on the doorstep to pay for hotel on a one off game
then it doesnt get complicated and makes it easier to run.
Report boysie January 8, 2011 10:24 PM GMT
Random teams for me as stops top players doubling up and gives us all a chance
Report Jimmyslightbreeze January 8, 2011 10:31 PM GMT
Hi, I like the idea of two man teams with a cash entry/prize structure....and on a Sunday night in a one of game.

Personally I'd prefer to select my own team mate, as there's more chance that both players will play on the night and it makes travel/accommodation
easier to organise (for the live game [;)].

Might be better on 6 seater tables - to reduce the likelihood of team mates being on the same table?
Report never loses January 8, 2011 10:33 PM GMT
think a one of game with teams 2 picked randomly with a buy in for a prize pool sounds about right
Report The Klup January 8, 2011 10:39 PM GMT
jimmyslightbreeze makes good argument.

Although two team mates cannot truly influence an mtt game unless 3 left and both still about imo.

6 seater with two team players on same table is possibly more risky?
Report ajcairns. January 8, 2011 10:43 PM GMT
i would recommend making the tickets transferable  [;)]
Report The Klup January 8, 2011 10:48 PM GMT
Live tickets are transferable ... but would be down to the respective winners to sort out.

Seats cannot be cash in though - but as there are limited seats, im sure it will be pi$$ easy to sell.

I would be disappointed not to see someone use their seats. 

PS - ovalman, im definitely going, ive bought my seat already off satelite final winner
Report alexsdad January 9, 2011 9:59 AM GMT
count me in, any format, i'll be the handicap for any teamLaugh
Report joffy January 9, 2011 10:20 AM GMT
Why cant it be a team event with a 100$ buyin ?
Report charlyfarly January 9, 2011 10:32 AM GMT
Hi guys - i got some insight that Betfair could be looking to do a little forum promo to give away two seats to Betfair Live London

This is why Betfair should run it, straight forward one off free game, first two get a ticket.
Not all forum readers want to or can afford to pay £20 in buy ins for something that Betfair WANT to
give to their customers.
Report joffy January 9, 2011 11:04 AM GMT
Your point is very valid and I quite agree.

My point was I know quite a few fourm/betfair poker players that would never get invovled in these team things because the buyins/prizes are to small and not worth the effort.

Would be nice to see a decent team strucuted event once in a while with something worthwile to play for.Im sure this wld entice a lot of the old regulars back and they then may get a few to even stay.
Report The Klup January 9, 2011 11:24 AM GMT
Reasonable comments Joffy - but in terms of the volume of people interest at higher stakes is much lower.

That said, when I did try to organise another WCWSOP styled team event with big packages on offer, Betfair didnt take it up. Maybe the one i did didnt tick all the boxes for them.

Anyways,as badbeat have just announced DreamTeam VI there is no real window of opportunity to introduce at the moment.
Report joffy January 9, 2011 11:34 AM GMT
Only reasonable ffs

I remember betfairs attempt at the dreamteam lol. Keep trying mate,a decent team event on a Sunday night wld get a bit of interest I think. That night BF have their higher end tournaments on which wld be a perfect night to play as people wld play them also if there on the site.
Report de 1 January 9, 2011 3:36 PM GMT
If its on a sunday im in , i like the idea of random pairs - it could make it quite interesting- some poor s*d will get drawn with gypsy LaughLaughLaugh
Report Creidhne January 9, 2011 4:14 PM GMT
That would be me De1, running like a bad 'un and that would be the seal for my worst b'day ever. CryCryCry
Report akabula January 9, 2011 4:37 PM GMT
de1 - wouldn't it just be great if Gypsy and Vivipp were paired. Knowing my luck I'd get beriteonce.
Report The Klup January 9, 2011 4:48 PM GMT
Surely Vivipp would get paired with his alter ego who was prepared to stake him?
Report akabula January 9, 2011 5:16 PM GMT
Was thinking that we could give the teams a forum name - Pair beriteonce and Cheezer and call them the Chuckle Brothers
Report safc1 January 9, 2011 5:27 PM GMT
Any idea when this will be, need to book a hotel
and any one need a donk as a partner.
Report Ovalman. January 9, 2011 5:34 PM GMT
12th - 14th in London's West End, ?Fox Club? Details are over on the poker homepage.

I've booked flights but yet to book a hotel.
Report The Klup January 9, 2011 5:36 PM GMT
ovalman ... you can book a return flight on day one. We start at 1pm so you should be ok to book a 7pm return :D
Report safc1 January 9, 2011 5:42 PM GMT
Sorry lads should of said when will we play this freeroll.
Report bingobarry January 9, 2011 6:24 PM GMT
check out hostelworld.com

you prob be very surprised.99% places very clean and less than £20 a night
Report de 1 January 9, 2011 6:35 PM GMT
By: This user is online. The Klup
Date Joined: 17 Feb 10
Blogger: The Klup's blog Add contact | Send message When: 09 Jan 11 17:36 ovalman ... you can book a return flight on day one. We start at 1pm so you should be ok to book a 7pm return :D

Klup are expecting ovalman to have a beeter run than usual?
Report The Klup January 9, 2011 6:40 PM GMT
no - just accounting for commuting times and the need to be at the airport a couple hrs before hand
Report Ovalman. January 9, 2011 6:54 PM GMT
Oi! I'm only coming to meet you guys in the flesh. Sometime's you swim with the fish you get caught in the net. I want to watch the legend that is the Klup, turning over AA with 72o.

De, as I owe the Klup a pint, you can buy me a pint of the black stuff.
Report yoyoyoyo January 9, 2011 8:48 PM GMT
If you go with 2 man teams then surely it should be an average score of both your places combined to make it more fair and interesting.

Also having rebuys isnt a good idea imo if you are doing random teams as you might get stuck with someone who doesnt rebuy, so should def be a freezout imo
Report The Klup January 9, 2011 9:09 PM GMT
Thanks yoyoyoyo ... i see the logic in no rebuy. But i assume most would prefer to see someone win the game to win the seats.
Report 5LEEPWALKER January 9, 2011 10:40 PM GMT
If betfair are looking to do a little forum promotion, Wouldn't it make more sense to offer something that appeals to more people rather than just do a promotion that appeals to the locals and travellers

I dont mean to sound ungrateful, But all online poker players wanna win money. And not all poker players want to win seats to somewhere which is inconvenient

Surely the majority of people would have to spend more in travel and accomodation for some of these events

They could easily spend less money and buy in to a game with the equivilent payouts online

I like the sound of some of the games, But for the reason above the prize is worthless to me
Report de 1 January 10, 2011 3:46 PM GMT
Sleepwalker - betfair have done a promotion in glasgow which suited anyone up north, If this promotion doesnt suit you simple DONT PLAY IT
Report alexsdad January 10, 2011 5:00 PM GMT
"betfair have done a promotion in glasgow which suited anyone up north", not true, de1, not to pick a fight but glasgow is just as much a pain in the ass to get too as london is for me, i dont think u can please everyone and the promo is designed to get more bf regulars into the london game, i dont think its everyones cup of tea and i read a comment earlier about $20 being too expensive a buy in for some, but if 20 is too much then london isnt for u, as a cup of coffee is that. anyway gl to those who play and win
Report gypsyl0ve January 10, 2011 5:58 PM GMT
I take a few days off, and return to find all you fckers gossiping about me behind my back [>o] Fookin Ebble starting off the trouble as per usual, no surprise there Laugh
Report de 1 January 10, 2011 6:15 PM GMT
Where have you been to see wykh?????LoveLoveLoveLoveLove
Report safc1 January 10, 2011 6:18 PM GMT
Right lets get this on my final suggestion
is to have a one off tourney on a sunday with
a $20 buy in to pay for hotel and travelling
expenses making it a nice little tourney to
play in with good crack and if betfair wants
to add hotel and tavelling expenses all the better.
Good luck anyone who gets me.
Report gypsyl0ve January 10, 2011 6:26 PM GMT
nice little tourney to
play in with good crack


There's Ebble in for sure LaughLoveLoveLove
Report yoyoyoyo January 10, 2011 7:15 PM GMT
"Right lets get this on my final suggestion
is to have a one off tourney on a sunday with
a $20 buy in to pay for hotel and travelling
expenses making it a nice little tourney to
play in with good crack and if betfair wants
to add hotel and tavelling expenses all the better.
Good luck anyone who gets me."

That sounds like a good suggestion to me :)

Kulp - if it is everyman for themself then I agree the winner(s) should get the prizes but if it is a team game, then I think the best performing team should get it. I dunno maybe others don't agree I would obv go with the majority but I would of thought I'm not alone in this.
If it is 2 man teams and one team came 3rd and 4th and the team that actually won, his partner was the 1st one out in 384th place (or however many runners it is) then it completely goes against any "team" ethic

Personly for me, I would like to see the suggestion above or some other everyman for themselves tourney as I don't know anyone on here I could ask to be a 2 man team (sad billy no-mates I know) :(
Report Bruce Willis January 10, 2011 7:19 PM GMT
1 off game

egg and spoon race

hyde park

6am this sunday

winner takes all?
Report SussexGirl January 10, 2011 7:59 PM GMT
I'd love to join in this too. but I'm a Billy No Mates on here. I hang around the forum but rarely post.I'm an APAT regular so better known over there.

I've spent a fortune trying to sat to this event as I'd love to go.

Sorry in advance if you do random teams and to the person who gets lumbered with me.
Report cribbage king January 10, 2011 8:11 PM GMT
Guys

I am very interested to.

Can we get a format agreed and confirm date(s) etc
Report cribbage king January 10, 2011 8:12 PM GMT
oh and hi sussex girl - good game last night debs
Report SussexGirl January 10, 2011 8:15 PM GMT
haha so who are you then? APAT name please :o)
Report The Klup January 10, 2011 8:16 PM GMT
Could we not split this to those who want play in a random team can go into a draw, and those who want to declare a confirmed partnership can?
Report cribbage king January 10, 2011 8:20 PM GMT
Debs - u went all in against me when short stacked and then managed to beat me in a race when I was favourite!


I can be your partner your partner if the format is pairs but I am a bit of a novice!


Regards
Report alexsdad January 10, 2011 8:22 PM GMT
it should be one or the other i think, random draw sounds ok
Report McCoy Carp January 10, 2011 8:23 PM GMT
Random draw mixed pairs please. I'll have Deny or Paige - forget about the poker. Love
Report safc1 January 10, 2011 8:27 PM GMT
random draw sounds good lets go
Report SussexGirl January 10, 2011 8:46 PM GMT
I think Klups idea is better - let people who want to make up a team do so and then everyone else can go in random draw.
Report never loses January 10, 2011 8:54 PM GMT
when where how why  ime in
Report The Klup January 10, 2011 8:57 PM GMT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



HERE ARE WHAT I BELIEVE ARE THE GUIDELINES
I will start a NEW THREAD TOMORROW NIGHT once people have had a final chance to respond to my guidelines) and we will go from there.

1) Two man teams - RANDOM DRAW (MOST VOTED FOR THIS) I will co-ordinate this on easysweep.com and we can watch the live draw on Thursday 20 January at 8pm!

2) Game to be played on a Sunday 23 January 2011. 8pm UK time
(Sunday was requested and nobody obected)

3) Players interested in taking part must declare their EXACT poker alias by 8pm (UK Time) on Monday 17th January

   3.1) Entry will be by ticket only (to stem the flow of non forumites raiding our value).

   3.2) NO LATE ENTRIES WILL BE ACCEPTED - NO EXCEPTIONS (to stem the flow of non forumites raiding our value).

4) 2500 chips and 12 minute blinds - 6 seater tables

5) Winner of the tournament will win both seats for his team
(if we go on an average score, then first to get knocked out will immediately have removed all hope of winning a seat for his team and then the team mate can spoil the game by going all in all the time as he will have nothing to play for)

6) If one team member does not show / play the freeroll and the one man band wins the freeroll, he will win both tickets and can choose what he/she wishes to do with it.

7) If the winning team actually attends and plays at the London Live event (and dont sell their tickets) I will ensure that at least $300 (£200) is paid to partcially contribute towards expenses. If Betfair dont agree to pay this, I will.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Report alexsdad January 10, 2011 9:05 PM GMT
sounds like a plan[;)]
Report safc1 January 10, 2011 9:08 PM GMT
No reason for you to pay just put a buy in
and the rest sounds good to me.
Report The Klup January 10, 2011 9:12 PM GMT
i dont think you can have ticket entry with a buy in. Using a buy in with password will ensure we have unwanted intruders.

If betfair can do a "ticket plus buy in option" then i will ask for a $10 buy in value supported by a ticket.
Report McCoy Carp January 10, 2011 9:29 PM GMT
Why can't I read all of your latest two posts?
Report The Klup January 10, 2011 9:33 PM GMT
too much vodka maybe?
Report thegeezer2k January 10, 2011 9:34 PM GMT
Sounds a great plan and i will defo be in for this one!!

Debs, I am not cribbage King !!
Report McCoy Carp January 10, 2011 9:35 PM GMT
Don't touch the stuff apart from the occasional Bloody Mary. No, script disappears  off side of page.
Report thegeezer2k January 10, 2011 9:36 PM GMT
Can't wait for the live draw, it will be exciting, ooh i could crush a grape!!
Report The Klup January 10, 2011 9:38 PM GMT
McCoy ... why havent you added me to msn yet? dinos@iloveplayingpoker.com
Report McCoy Carp January 10, 2011 9:40 PM GMT
Because I'm not on it. GHADAFFI keeps onto me about that.
Report Bruce Willis January 10, 2011 10:19 PM GMT
sounds fine klup

+1
Report Bruce Willis January 10, 2011 10:21 PM GMT
for that reason in brackets dont go on average score *
Report Heartbreaker199 January 10, 2011 10:53 PM GMT
couple of *Dinkies* Paige and Deny will play together ( no rude comments please) lol
Report gypsyl0ve January 10, 2011 11:51 PM GMT
By:
McCoy Carp
Random draw mixed pairs please. I'll have Deny or Paige - forget about the poker.


I'll take one of them as well. Shall we flip a coin to decide which one we get?
Report McCoy Carp January 11, 2011 12:24 AM GMT
Love
Report gypsyl0ve January 11, 2011 12:37 AM GMT
Heads or tails?
Report McCoy Carp January 11, 2011 12:39 AM GMT
I like blondes but Deny my favourite. Love
Report gypsyl0ve January 11, 2011 12:42 AM GMT
Mine [:p]Love
Report yoyoyoyo January 11, 2011 1:11 AM GMT
All sounds good. I'm not objecting at all and agree to everything, you obv put alot of effort to get this off the ground so nice 1. But just wanna point out that it is not stricly true about the first player out making it impossible for thier team to win.
If there was 50 runners and team 1 had a player out in 50th and 2nd and team 2 had a player out in 48th and 40th, team 1 would still obv have the better average score and would win. Average score is the finish of each player divided by numbers of runners (I think)
Just seems more of a team thing then if your choosing a team game
Report 5LEEPWALKER January 11, 2011 3:43 AM GMT
Regards my previous comment dated : 9th jan 22.40

I was replying to the original topic of the thread, Which asks for thoughts and comments [;)]
Report gypsyl0ve January 11, 2011 5:08 AM GMT
If you a wom a package, you can always sell it?Confused
Report de 1 January 11, 2011 6:04 PM GMT
By: This user is offline. thegeezer2k
Date Joined: 17 Jun 07 Add contact | Send message When: 10 Jan 11 21:36 Can't wait for the live draw, it will be exciting, ooh i could crush a grape!!

All well and good geezer - but could you imagine the dissappointment when watching the draw, your name comes out, you wait excited think what great player am i going to be paired with then the name comes out GYPSY just imagine how pi**ed off you would be knowing you are now on your own LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report gypsyl0ve January 11, 2011 6:15 PM GMT
fook off ebble, whoever gets paired with me should consider it a great privilege to be associated with my good self.

I hope you get paired with wykhy LoveLoveLove
Report de 1 January 11, 2011 6:32 PM GMT
Knowing my luck i will get paired with you or wykhyLaugh
Report gypsyl0ve January 11, 2011 7:36 PM GMT
Think of all the fun we could have if we were paired together LoveLoveLove
Report Creidhne January 11, 2011 7:41 PM GMT
I may have some strange fetishes but that would be one I'd pay to miss Gypsy [:(]
Report gypsyl0ve January 11, 2011 7:50 PM GMT
much love to you Cred LoveLoveLove
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