I was just looking at the big apple promotion when this caught my eye
Need to know
* You will earn more PP's playing fixed limit cash games than other games.
I do not understand why someone would earn more points playing fixed limit games, surely no limit would earn more at the same stakes? Is there something about essence that they have not told us about regarding fixed limit versus no limit? I rang betfair and they do not know why fixed limit games should earn more points and they agree with me that they would have thought no limit would earn more. Of course this was after the usual guiding them through what I meant - why do they never know what you are talking about?
However, they are ringing me back with the answer why fixed limit games earn more points, but not tonight apparently - much too difficult a question for them. Perhaps the forum would know why?
Come to think of it, if this is the case for this promotion then surely it is the same througout betfair?
If fixed limit cash games reward players with more points, then surely we should be told about it and why this is so and how is the difference calculated.
Come to think of it, if this is the case for this promotion then surely it is the same througout betfair?If fixed limit cash games reward players with more points, then surely we should be told about it and why this is so and how is the difference ca
It is just general advice that you rake more playing fixed limit because you tend to see more flops and therefore contribute to more pots.Nothing to do with essence!
It also says that if you multi-table you earn more points which is not rocket science Annie nor is it a conspiracy theory.
No wonder Betfair customer services are brain dead if people are ringing them up about things like this.
HTH
It is just general advice that you rake more playing fixed limit because you tend to see more flops and therefore contribute to more pots.Nothing to do with essence!It also says that if you multi-table you earn more points which is not rocket science
Why do you have to be so rude, Fingerzz? You could have stated that without being nasty.
However, I think I still disagree with you. No limit pots are way more than fixed limit and there are usually more pots per hour than fixed limit, so surely that would compensate for seeing more flops? And this could also be to do with how essence is worked out, so you may be wrong.
And why shouldn't I ring up betfair about this? I would have thought that you are the stupid one for accepting everything that betfair says as gospel.
Why do you have to be so rude, Fingerzz? You could have stated that without being nasty.However, I think I still disagree with you. No limit pots are way more than fixed limit and there are usually more pots per hour than fixed limit, so surely tha
I have just looked at a few rakeback calculators and they both say you get more rakeback with no limit than fixed limit, with the same stakes and games played - so why is it different on this site? Because of the way essence is calculated?
I have just looked at a few rakeback calculators and they both say you get more rakeback with no limit than fixed limit, with the same stakes and games played - so why is it different on this site? Because of the way essence is calculated?
Idiots like you search for arguments with Betfair and clog up the phone lines with your drivel yet only rake about 3p a month on their site.Why not worry about something that actually concerns you?
And please don't use the'is it because I am a female card' because nutters are nutters whatever their gender.
And if I was going to be rude I would have told you to go and get laid or something rather than getting yourself excited every time the word 'essence' is mentioned.
Get a grip Annie.Idiots like you search for arguments with Betfair and clog up the phone lines with your drivel yet only rake about 3p a month on their site.Why not worry about something that actually concerns you?And please don't use the'is it becau
If the answer was so feckin obvious why did the BFCS rep not know it. Just highlights yet again the lack of poker knowledge some of them have.
You stick to your guns Annie (no pun intended) and just ignore this lot - probably all henpecked and not allowed to speak at home. [:p]
If the answer was so feckin obvious why did the BFCS rep not know it. Just highlights yet again the lack of poker knowledge some of them have.You stick to your guns Annie (no pun intended) and just ignore this lot - probably all henpecked and not all
Could you also explain to Annie why,once over a certain level,it doesn't matter that the pots on no-limit are bigger because the rake compared to fixed-limit is identical.
Could you also ask Annie how she thinks the essence system would benefit fixed-limit against no-limit in general terms.Perhaps the essence system takes a little rake from a random no-limit hand and adds it on to a random limit-hand?
Could you also tell akabula that if he wants Annie to suck his tiny penis could he just ask her direct and not clog up the forum with his endless bottom-licking.
Could you also offer my sympathies to the Customer Service team and tell them to get the Samaritans on speed-dial ready for when Annie calls next.
Could you also explain to Annie why,once over a certain level,it doesn't matter that the pots on no-limit are bigger because the rake compared to fixed-limit is identical.Could you also ask Annie how she thinks the essence system would benefit fixed-
Fingerzz Joined: 25 Feb 10 Replies: 106 19 Oct 10 20:55 It is just general advice that you rake more playing fixed limit because you tend to see more flops and therefore contribute to more pots.Nothing to do with essence!
I am yet to be convinced that you do rake more on fixed limit than on no limit. You tend to see more flops, but in general you see less games per hour and the pots are smaller than no limit. Also rakeback calculators say you get less rakeback on fixed limit with the same stakes than no limit. I said about essence because as they said that fixed limit gave more rake, than maybe essence had a different system with fixed limit as opposed to no limit
It also says that if you multi-table you earn more points which is not rocket science Annie nor is it a conspiracy theory.
I was not talking about this, so why bring it up?
No wonder Betfair customer services are brain dead if people are ringing them up about things like this.
If betfair says I will get more points playing fixed limit when rakeback calculators and the statistics say the opposite, surely any intelligent player would query it. There might be a genuine answer to this that as a relatively new player I do not know about.
Fingerzz Joined: 25 Feb 10Replies: 106 19 Oct 10 20:55 It is just general advice that you rake more playing fixed limit because you tend to see more flops and therefore contribute to more pots.Nothing to do with essence!I am yet to be convinced that
Fingerzz Joined: 25 Feb 10 Replies: 106 19 Oct 10 23:07 Get a grip Annie.
Idiots like you search for arguments with Betfair and clog up the phone lines with your drivel yet only rake about 3p a month on their site.Why not worry about something that actually concerns you?
Yes I am a small player, but my rake paid on ipoker is sometimes about $20 a day so I do not rake 3p! It concerns me because I was interested in the big apple promotion. I still play on here and would like to play more on here, if they fixed things
And please don't use the'is it because I am a female card' because nutters are nutters whatever their gender.
Since when do I use the female card? Only when I am called a bloke.
Fingerzz Joined: 25 Feb 10Replies: 106 19 Oct 10 23:07 Get a grip Annie.Idiots like you search for arguments with Betfair and clog up the phone lines with your drivel yet only rake about 3p a month on their site.Why not worry about something that ac
Fingerzz Joined: 25 Feb 10 Replies: 106 20 Oct 10 10:06 Could you also explain to Annie why,once over a certain level,it doesn't matter that the pots on no-limit are bigger because the rake compared to fixed-limit is identical.
Since when did I say that I did not know this? I know that there is a limit on the size of pot that a rake is taken from. Again that is not what I questioned. It seems your replies are just designed to take the piss out of me about things I have not questioned or know the answer to already.
Could you also ask Annie how she thinks the essence system would benefit fixed-limit against no-limit in general terms.Perhaps the essence system takes a little rake from a random no-limit hand and adds it on to a random limit-hand?
I said I did not know whether they calculated essence differently in fixed limit pots, because they said rake was higher. As we do not know exactly how essence is calculated then it is entirely feasible that fixed limit rake could be calculated differently. I was just asking if this was the case.
Could you also tell akabula that if he wants Annie to suck his tiny penis could he just ask her direct and not clog up the forum with his endless bottom-licking.
If you repeat again anything like the above sentence I will ask betfair to ban you. You can disagree with me all you want but I will not stand for the above.
Akabula is lovely, happily married man who at no stage has come onto me at all. I would hate that posters reading this would think otherwise. He is just a kind, intelligent man. Something you will never be.
Could you also offer my sympathies to the Customer Service team and tell them to get the Samaritans on speed-dial ready for when Annie calls next.
The majority of posters on this forum are in agreement with me that betfair poker customer services is not good at all. There are some good ones, like ED, but they are let down by those who know nothing about poker or their product.
Fingerzz Joined: 25 Feb 10Replies: 106 20 Oct 10 10:06 Could you also explain to Annie why,once over a certain level,it doesn't matter that the pots on no-limit are bigger because the rake compared to fixed-limit is identical.Since when did I say th
Sorry everyone about the replies, but I could not let his comments go unanswered.
As 'Fingerzz' has had only 106 replies since he joined in february this year, I expect he is someone else who loves to be nasty to me. Canaryboy comes to mind. As he has come on this thread saying ' well said fingerzz', I think it might be.
Sorry everyone about the replies, but I could not let his comments go unanswered.As 'Fingerzz' has had only 106 replies since he joined in february this year, I expect he is someone else who loves to be nasty to me. Canaryboy comes to mind. As he h
BetfairTourneyMGR Joined: 25 Aug 10 Replies: 82 20 Oct 10 09:51 A rake isn't taken unless a flop is dealt... In fixed limit you will see more flops than in No Limit therefore, you will rake more.
I am still not convinced about this.
Yes, you see more flops with fixed limit but the pots are smaller and you play less games per hour. I have done a quick calculation, using statistics from your site, and the amount raked per hour per person at the same stakes is far higher on no limit than fixed limit. Also rakeback calculators always say you rake more at no limit per hour than fixed limit.
So can you please demonstrate to me, with examples, how on your site you get more points playing fixed limit per hour than no limit per hour at the same stakes?
BetfairTourneyMGR Joined: 25 Aug 10Replies: 82 20 Oct 10 09:51 A rake isn't taken unless a flop is dealt... In fixed limit you will see more flops than in No Limit therefore, you will rake more.I am still not convinced about this. Yes, you see more
So you cannot ask betfair a question without being accused of whinging? It is only stupid posters that do not ask betfair questions because they are so stupid they think everything is okay
So, all the posters who have replied to this thread, I take it you agree with betfair that fixed limit gets you more points than no limit at the same stakes? If you do not reply I will take that as being yes. Or are you going to sit on the fence?
However, I expect that there are only a few posters on this thread. In reality I expect that there are posters who post under several different names.
When I get replies like those on here, but from posters I like and respect, then I will worry about it
So you cannot ask betfair a question without being accused of whinging? It is only stupid posters that do not ask betfair questions because they are so stupid they think everything is okay So, all the posters who have replied to this thread, I take
And I have told you before, canaryboy, several times not to call me a bloke. You know full well I am a woman and have seen the reply from betfair public relations saying I am a woman several times, yet you persist in provoking doubt in other posters minds. If you say it again I will ask betfair to ban you.
And I have told you before, canaryboy, several times not to call me a bloke. You know full well I am a woman and have seen the reply from betfair public relations saying I am a woman several times, yet you persist in provoking doubt in other posters
What on earth does what I look like have to do with my question?
If a man asks a question on here his appearance is not discussed, why should mine be an issue?
Grow up
What on earth does what I look like have to do with my question?If a man asks a question on here his appearance is not discussed, why should mine be an issue?Grow up
Annie-you are constantly on this forum creating problems that do not exist.You,by your own admission,hardly play on Betfair.If I rang Tescos everyday telling them that their pickled onions were more expensive than Morrisons but I shop at Asdas anyway then I would expect them to tell me to fekk off.
For the last time,from experience,you pay more rake on fixed-limit than no-limit.Your rake calculators are probably assuming a lower VPIP% but in reality the games are far more fishy so you tend to see more flops.Betfair have obviously looked at their own stats to come to this conclusion.
Also,and please get your head around this,if a no-limit pot is $100000000000000000000000000 and a fixed limit pot is $100 then the rake taken is the same.IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SIZE OF THE POTS OR ESSENCE!
On the big apple promotion the statement you quote by Betfair was in a little section of tips-not their t&c's or the bible.There is no need for you to ring them and its no wonder they did not know what you are talking about because you do not know yourself.
As for you threatening to get people banned then good luck.I would suggest though that if you don't like the replies you get then stop posting mundane drivel and totally retarded questions.
On a lighter note,perhaps some good could come of this and you and 'tweety pie' could get together and simultaneously pop your cherries...Good luck.
Jesus.Annie-you are constantly on this forum creating problems that do not exist.You,by your own admission,hardly play on Betfair.If I rang Tescos everyday telling them that their pickled onions were more expensive than Morrisons but I shop at Asdas
imagine the scene : annie wins the new york trip only to find the pilot cuts his losses and ditches the plane halfway across the atlantic after she turns up in the cockpit to ask him about the small print on her boarding pass !
imagine the scene : annie wins the new york trip only to find the pilot cuts his losses and ditches the plane halfway across the atlantic after she turns up in the cockpit to ask him about the small print on her boarding pass !
Fingerzz Joined: 25 Feb 10 Replies: 108 20 Oct 10 18:02 Jesus.
Annie-you are constantly on this forum creating problems that do not exist.You,by your own admission,hardly play on Betfair.If I rang Tescos everyday telling them that their pickled onions were more expensive than Morrisons but I shop at Asdas anyway then I would expect them to tell me to fekk off.
I still play on betfair and I was interested in the promotion, so why cannot ask a question?
For the last time,from experience,you pay more rake on fixed-limit than no-limit.Your rake calculators are probably assuming a lower VPIP% but in reality the games are far more fishy so you tend to see more flops.Betfair have obviously looked at their own stats to come to this conclusion.
There might be more points to be earned playing fixed limit, but the point I was making is that I would like to see the proof of it. So far I have seen nothing. I realize that I have only been playing poker for a relatively short time and that maybe I have missed something, but that is what the question was for. How am supposed to learn about poker if every time I ask a question I get abuse? It would not happen if it was someone else asking the question.
Also,and please get your head around this,if a no-limit pot is $100000000000000000000000000 and a fixed limit pot is $100 then the rake taken is the same.IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SIZE OF THE POTS OR ESSENCE!
Are you thick or something. I have repeatedly replied that I did not bring this up and I know that pots are capped for rake. However, as betfair are stating that fixed limit gets you more points then essence could be a factor as we do not know how essence is calculated then something different in fixed limit could give you more points. It is maybe unlikely, but could be possible. Do you know how essence is calculated? Besides, what has the fact that pots are capped for rake got to do with my question?
On the big apple promotion the statement you quote by Betfair was in a little section of tips-not their t&c's or the bible.There is no need for you to ring them and its no wonder they did not know what you are talking about because you do not know yourself.
I know exactly what I am talking about, unlike you. If you get more points playing fixed limit for the same stakes, then I would like to see the proof. Why is there no need to ring them if I am uncertain about something. Why, do you think betfair cannot make mistakes?
As for you threatening to get people banned then good luck.I would suggest though that if you don't like the replies you get then stop posting mundane drivel and totally retarded questions.
You posted a vile remark concerning me and akabula. I will not stand for this type of comment. I have had years of this abuse and I have decided to make a stand against it. If you think that my question is retarded then I can only think that you are too stupid to understnd it.
On a lighter note,perhaps some good could come of this and you and 'tweety pie' could get together and simultaneously pop your cherries...Good luck.
Again, please do not repeat any such comments as the above. I come on here to talk about poker, not to have to read such comments.
Fingerzz Joined: 25 Feb 10Replies: 108 20 Oct 10 18:02 Jesus.Annie-you are constantly on this forum creating problems that do not exist.You,by your own admission,hardly play on Betfair.If I rang Tescos everyday telling them that their pickled onions
I have played fixed limit on here, oooooo, so I understand what everyone is saying, but I would like to see it proved.
If rakeback calculators say that no limit pays more rake than fixed limit for the same stakes, then how does betfair say that fixed limit gives you more points?
Everyone is saying that you see more flops with fixed limit so therefore you must get more rake, but the pots are much smaller and you play a lot less games per hour.
Betfair was supposed to ring me back today with the answer, but, what a surprise, have not done so.
I have played fixed limit on here, oooooo, so I understand what everyone is saying, but I would like to see it proved. If rakeback calculators say that no limit pays more rake than fixed limit for the same stakes, then how does betfair say that fixe
who in their right mind earning 6 quid an hour would want to speak to you ?
i used to work in a contact centre and trust me as soon as they identify its you calling they will press the mute button and start a conversation with one of their mates.
do you blame them ?who in their right mind earning 6 quid an hour would want to speak to you ?i used to work in a contact centre and trust me as soon as they identify its you calling they will press the mute button and start a conversation with o
bf tourney manager has already answered her question on this bleeding thread.
as have at least half a dozen other people.
her mind is like a haunted cave in poland.
bf tourney manager has already answered her question on this bleeding thread.as have at least half a dozen other people.her mind is like a haunted cave in poland.
BetfairTourneyMGR Joined: 25 Aug 10 Replies: 88 20 Oct 10 09:51 A rake isn't taken unless a flop is dealt... In fixed limit you will see more flops than in No Limit therefore, you will rake more.
I am sorry, mr tourney manager, but I still do not understand why the above would get you more rake. I am a relative newcomer to poker and I know I do not know everything yet, but is that all the reason you say you would get more rake?
I have played today on betfair on fixed limit and no limit at the same stakes and NO LIMIT PAID AT LEAST TWICE AS MANY PLAYER POINTS THAN FIXED LIMIT, so can you show me why you say the opposite?
Again, yes you see the flop more, but I played nearly twice as many hands on no limit in an hour and the pots were bigger on no limit.
Also, rakeback calculators show that you get back more rake per hour on no limit than fixed limit for the same stake.
BetfairTourneyMGR Joined: 25 Aug 10Replies: 88 20 Oct 10 09:51 A rake isn't taken unless a flop is dealt... In fixed limit you will see more flops than in No Limit therefore, you will rake more.I am sorry, mr tourney manager, but I still do not unde
At the stakes where the people who score well in these promotions play, you get points much quicker playing limit. It isn't close.
At the stakes you play, it doesn't matter, you aren't going to rake enough.
HTH
At the stakes where the people who score well in these promotions play, you get points much quicker playing limit. It isn't close.At the stakes you play, it doesn't matter, you aren't going to rake enough.HTH
At the stakes I played today I would qualify for the promotion, but if I took betfair's advice I would get less player's points on fixed limit than no limit.
It might be different at higher stakes, but betfair does not say that. It states that you will get more player's points if you play fixed limit games, with no mention of stakes. Therefore they misleading their customers.
I am sorry, dooberama, but you are wrong. At the stakes I played today I would qualify for the promotion, but if I took betfair's advice I would get less player's points on fixed limit than no limit.It might be different at higher stakes, but betfai
Dartgott, I was querying betfair regarding their claim in the big apple promotion that playing fixed limit games would give you more player's points. I was interested in this promotion because I knew I could just about manage the points concerned, whereas higher stake players would do the points required in just a few hours. So my questions have concerned playing at lower limits. I realise that at $5/10 stakes then the difference in rake between fixed and no limit would be less because of the capped rake and playing style.
However, nothing anyone has said has yet to convince me that playing at smaller stakes fixed limit games gives you more player's points than no limit at the same stakes. I played yesterday and my player's points were TWO AND A HALF TIMES AS MUCH AT NO LIMIT THAN FIXED LIMIT at the same stakes.
BETFAIR TOURNEY MANAGER, YOU HAVE NOT REPLIED YET Dartgott, I was querying betfair regarding their claim in the big apple promotion that playing fixed limit games would give you more player's points. I was interested in this promotion because I kn
Just shut up.You are still asking questions which have been answered.Betfair should take out an injunction against you.
Seriously,whatever stereotypes there are about women are being reinforced by your constant drivel.You should show some respect to your gender and stop embarrassing yourself.
Just shut up.You are still asking questions which have been answered.Betfair should take out an injunction against you.Seriously,whatever stereotypes there are about women are being reinforced by your constant drivel.You should show some respect to y
I played yesterday and my player's points were TWO AND A HALF TIMES AS MUCH AT NO LIMIT THAN FIXED LIMIT at the same stakes. you know the correct answer already so why post more cr@p
I played yesterday and my player's points were TWO AND A HALF TIMES AS MUCH AT NO LIMIT THAN FIXED LIMIT at the same stakes. you know the correct answer already so why post more cr@p
My questions have still not been answered, fingerzz.
How can posting that I got two and a half more player's points playing no limit than fixed limit be posting crap, mach. I would have thought that it demonstrated my point exactly.
I think both your posts illustrate how horrible and stupid the men are on this forum, with some notable exceptions.
My questions have still not been answered, fingerzz.How can posting that I got two and a half more player's points playing no limit than fixed limit be posting crap, mach. I would have thought that it demonstrated my point exactly.I think both your
annie. Joined: 22 Sep 06 Replies: 4412 22 Oct 10 16:04 My questions have still not been answered, fingerzz.
How can posting that I got two and a half more player's points playing no limit than fixed limit be posting crap, mach. I would have thought that it demonstrated my point exactly.
I think both your posts illustrate how horrible and stupid the men are on this forum, with some notable exceptions.
i could be male or female plz post less annie i fear you may be neglecting you house work duties[;)]
annie. Joined: 22 Sep 06Replies: 4412 22 Oct 10 16:04 My questions have still not been answered, fingerzz.How can posting that I got two and a half more player's points playing no limit than fixed limit be posting crap, mach. I would have thought
following annies logic i sent the following e-mail to my old school :
dear headmaster ,
circa 1978 my maths teacher mr grogan told us that if we tossed a coin in the air and waited for it to land there was an exactly 50% likelyhood of it landing on heads.
however i have just done this 10 times and it landed on heads 7 times, so the correct percentage is actually 70%.
can you get someone from the education department, ideally the secretary of state, to call me back today between half 2 and 3 to discuss this. you may also want to sack mr grogan.
typical, nobody called me back and all i got was an email from the school saying grogan took his own life in 1983.
annies right.... THIS BLOODY COUNTRY !!!!!!!
following annies logic i sent the following e-mail to my old school :dear headmaster ,circa 1978 my maths teacher mr grogan told us that if we tossed a coin in the air and waited for it to land there was an exactly 50% likelyhood of it landing on h
following annies logic i sent the following e-mail to my old school :
dear headmaster ,
circa 1978 my maths teacher mr grogan told us that if we tossed a coin in the air and waited for it to land there was an exactly 50% likelyhood of it landing on heads.
however i have just done this 10 times and it landed on heads 7 times, so the correct percentage is actually 70%.
can you get someone from the education department, ideally the secretary of state, to call me back today between half 2 and 3 to discuss this. you may also want to sack mr grogan.
typical, nobody called me back and all i got was an email from the school saying grogan took his own life in 1983.
annies right.... THIS BLOODY COUNTRY !!!!!!!
following annies logic i sent the following e-mail to my old school :dear headmaster ,circa 1978 my maths teacher mr grogan told us that if we tossed a coin in the air and waited for it to land there was an exactly 50% likelyhood of it landing on h