MUGS- how does one limit sports betting without impacting poker fexibility

you cant anymore, and apparently thats not likely to change  anytime soon according to official comments on this forum.

another of the non publicised effects of switching to bf2, which caused grief for those of us with loss limits on our accounts prior to the switch.

It makes no sense whatsoever if the powers that be were actually intrested in gamble awareness etc.

I for one grow tired of spunking my (many many) poker profits on sport bet whims.... and fear for the future should I continue my ascent to the top of the game.

it works out cheaper for me to go and play golf whenever theres horse racing on now.

there's always horse-racing on? you must play a lot of golf!

aye, it does feel like it.

This has always been my biggest gripe with bf.. that the betting account is the same as the poker account.. other sites like wills etc you have different accounts.  You can self exclude yourself from the casino on bf but you can not self exclude yourself from your betting acount as this will also close your poker account.  They are wrong and it does go against gambling awareness etc...

chipfire - my problem is i cannot bankroll manage when money is in my poker account either. I also stray into horseracing or sports bets when i have cash in my account.

So what i usually do, is limit my funds in my poker account to £100 or £200 at a time. I withdrawl winnings immediately, and deposit small as i go along playing.

It works for me - its my form of bankroll management.

the alternative for me is to keep the bulk of my bankroll on stars where it cant be frittered away on daft horse racing bets. its just too easy when you aren't working to pish away a weeks dole money on the gee gees in a couple of hours, then have to spend more hours winning it back at the poker tables, which is soul destroying.

the annoying thing is that there are some sports like rugby league and  american football where im consistently in  profit. its only the blasted nags that kill me.

ideally i'd get a backbone.

chipfire - ever thought about laying the horses you fancy ;)

Back in the day Betfair used to let me have two accounts - one for poker, one for sports betting.  Why not just open another account and see what happens.

i already have 2 accounts and  you cant split them.

i hit the green at a 335 yard par 4 today with my tee shot, much to the chagrin of the 3 ball already on it. then missed the 10 footer for eagle with the 3 of them willing me to miss.

played 29 holes today, therby missing  the entire card at doncaster, but  home in time for a lump on featherstone to win half time/full time at 4/5.

Live4 Joined: 18 Mar 04
Replies: 421 09 Sep 10 16:37 
Back in the day Betfair used to let me have two accounts - one for poker, one for sports betting.  Why not just open another account and see what happens.


Did this and before the move it worked fine...you could set your sports bet limit to a pund a week thus enabling that account to be exclusively for poker...now alas this cannot be done without impacting your poker loss limits

Regards

ttt

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Betfair changing platforms was great for me. I'd always played my poker on BF but, like many, couldn't get the new software to work. Opened a Pokerstars account and it's working beautifully - my poker winnings stay where they are and if I want to gamble on sport I do it with the pitiful amount I have remaining in my BF account.

Great, I love a success story easter...however I want to know the logic behind betfairs stance at present and I will not rest until I have ans.

Regards

R0y

(BSC)

as i said earlier you may have a long wait.

I will out last these mugs.

And write to gamecare to report them

TTT

Just scooped some monnies....sort it out betunfair

Having the same problem myself. Do ok at poker but as you say "spunk" it back off on horses and football, which especially the latter send me on tilt more than poker ever does. This year has been the best ever for me on betting - about £500 up. Keep records for poker and sports betting and have never ever won at the latter. Buying the RP, the time spent on it, goals in the 90th min, short head defeats, it's not worth it.
The other day shook my Dads hand and said that's it, not going to do it (unless day at the races) not going to give my hard earned poker winnings back on the horses or football.
Weird this, get up in the morning, stick £5 in a jar. Satisfies my cravings. £20 in it now.

The Klup Joined: 17 Feb 10
Replies: 1356 09 Sep 10 10:30 
chipfire - my problem is i cannot bankroll manage when money is in my poker account either. I also stray into horseracing or sports bets when i have cash in my account.

So what i usually do, is limit my funds in my poker account to £100 or £200 at a time. I withdrawl winnings immediately, and deposit small as i go along playing.

It works for me - its my form of bankroll management.

DO YOU WIN?
withdrawl?
lol

my total deposits on thecard ive  been using exclusively for about 18 months are £10,114

my total withdrawls are £17,730.60

and obviously i have money in there at the moment i could withdraw.

and i reckon i must be easily 2k down on sports betting, probably more. taking that loss limit off the account makes it really difficult for people like me that have real issues with gambling, which have zero effect on my poker play.

people should be able to limit their losses on betting, without it effecting their poker, as they were able to in the past.

very naughty of bf to change this without publicising it.

So is this GamCare thing a load of b0ll0cks? Of course it is! It's like me suggesting my best customer goes to AA.

So i'd say this time round circa 25% of winning spunked

ttt

Sign in here each day if you haven't had a bet, see if we can keep it going. Five days I think for me now.

Looking at Deckie Spider's post I wouldn't recommend speaking to Adam in Betfair Farcical Services

This people in this thread are why they wont change it.

very true, having done my brains on american racing, im now at the speedway and irish football.

Happened today !!!!


A little note for you.

I rang BF helpdesk today and asked the following..

Me: Can i restrict my loses on sports betting without effecting my poker account?

Adam: Yes you can put a limit per week year or month

Me: OK can i put a limit of £5 per year. Are you sure it won't effect my poker as i play most days and i'm in the middle of leaderboards for end of month.

Adam: Let me put you on hold and confirm with my manager.

Adam: Yes it will not effect your poker account as you can do it per area i.e. arcade,sports, poker.

Me: Ok go ahead

Call ends.

I then try and reg for a MTT but it won't let me. I call back and Adam speaks to manager and confirm they have made a mistake and will not be able to change for 7 days meaning i cannot play for 7 days. Manager calls back and says he cannot do anything and that it was BF fault.

I then tell him it will cost me money as playing for leaderboards this month in about 35th and next months.

Confirms he cannnot do anything offered £25 lol

I wanted to restrict sports betting as i lose at sports and win at poker. Now can't play poker for the week will miss on cash in leaderboards, and generally BF not taking responsabilty.

I will be leaving now to join Ongame through another affilate if i do not get a suitable apology and at least have the courtesy to make a suitable offer.

I have played on BF 2 years but this really has p**sed me off.

Spider Deck.

Anyone know which other site gd for ongame(as i like it and used to it)?

BTW i won 16k last year in poker and lost 6k sports betting

now they have removed the loss limits my percentages will probably work out the same.

must have done most of the poker profits in this month on the sportsbook.

alternatively we should all club together, form a syndicate, and subscribe to the infamous tipping service currently advertising in the racing post for new members.

wouldnt cost much if there were half a dozen of us, and its money we are gonna pish away anyway.

Join the club i've done my brains on the effing nags

If u guys seriously have that much of a problem where u cannot go without making a bet then u need help, So what if you win at poker and lose at horses why do u expect people to feel sorry for u? just withdraw all funds and go to a poker only site ffs and stop crying.

Its a bit like being an alcoholic fruit machine player but blaming the pub for serving u a drink while your winning money on the machine.

[ x ] likelyhood of you saying that to  any of our faces is zero.

There are many sports bettors that are regular donaters on the poker tables, should we feel sorry for them and ask betfair to sepeate their poker accounts from their betting accounts?

in a modern society, people should have the option to self exclude themselves if they so choose. they should also have the option to set loss limits.

betting companies greed for profit should not exclude them attending to the issues of their customer base.

only someone totally retarded would think otherwise.

as for comment about people crying, we arent. when you learn to both read AND comprehend (probably a good few years down the line yet ) you will see we are overall winners. and like i said theres zero likelyhood of a keyboard warrior like yourself saying any of this to the faces of the people discussing loss limits on here, so perhaps you mightwant to stfu ?

Keyboard warrior? lol this is a public forum, a place to discuss views and opinions and i am telling you mine, you have a problem with sports betting but you chose to keep funds available on a gambling site??? there are many other poker sites out there that offer the 5 dollar d2n games you chose to play so why dont you withdraw your funds and go there?? You constantly brag about the money you win from poker...do u care if someone is a regular poker loser and sits at your table? yes im sure you do, but you expect people to feel sorry for you cos you lose a few pounds on the horses because you have no self control. Keep blaming betfair like the alcoholic blames the barman....

Call ends.

I then try and reg for a MTT but it won't let me. I call back and Adam speaks to manager and confirm they have made a mistake and will not be able to change for 7 days meaning i cannot play for 7 days.

sounds like betfair

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Replies: 546 27 Sep 10 22:45 
If u guys seriously have that much of a problem where u cannot go without making a bet then u need help, So what if you win at poker and lose at horses why do u expect people to feel sorry for u? just withdraw all funds and go to a poker only site ffs and stop crying.


Not the sharpest tool in the box are ya...but you are a tool right enough!!

If I want to set seperate loss limits for sports betting and for poker I should be able to pure and simple.

You are illogical at best stupid at worst. Alot of the value on betfair comes from sports bettors chancing their arm in the micros. Why then, pray tell, should I have to go to another site an miss out on that based on betfairs greed?

Perhaps you want to explain why before the move I could adjust my loss limit on my sports betting account without impacting my poker account whereas now it comes as one. I would be interested to hear you reasoning behind that manouvre. Thanks in anticipation.

oh yeah and any sports wagerer can set exculsive poker limits...pourqui?

You want it one way....but its the other way- marlo (season 4, the wire)

oh and im not looking to exclude myself...I want to be able to wager..but I also want to be able to set my limits....simples.

I will eagerly await your brilliant feedback 00000000000000000000, good night x

well said Roykeane here here i second that

Keyboard warrior? lol this is a public forum, a place to discuss views and opinions and i am telling you mine, you have a problem with sports betting but you chose to keep funds available on a gambling site??? there are many other poker sites out there that offer the 5 dollar d2n games you chose to play so why dont you withdraw your funds and go there?? You constantly brag about the money you win from poker...do u care if someone is a regular poker loser and sits at your table? yes im sure you do, but you expect people to feel sorry for you cos you lose a few pounds on the horses because you have no self control. Keep blaming betfair like the alcoholic blames the barman....

like i said, congratulations on learning to read, sadly, comprehension is still some way off. as for empathy, i cant see you reaching that stage in my lifetime.

but just so you know, i play most of my poker on stars, which has no sportsbook, and if they do have 5 dollar d2ns, i certainly haven't played any.

roy keane writes  :

oh yeah and any sports wagerer can set exculsive poker limits...pourqui?

You want it one way....but its the other way- marlo (season 4, the wire)

the bloke cant understand english,  dont be confusing him further.

great marlo quote though ! [;)]

Getting back to the issue. The problem with the internet o o o o o o o o o is that it is far too easy to bet impulsively and sometimes you end up chasing losses and lose track of just how much you punt. But whatever the issue there is no logical reason for BF not allowing this and I cannot understand why you would object to this. FWIW I'm self excluded from the casino because when I was bored of he poker I used to visit and etc etc.

6 days now - no bet.

Nice work McCoy... but if you scoop a big poker win you will never hold out lad.

My Tip: Back Joey Barton to be booked vs City on sunday [;)]

Lol. Thought we're supposed to be helping each other here?

i relapsed by going over on the distances at newcastle.

to be fair its been shallocking down  all day here and i knew the ground wasnt as described.

but a relapse nonetheless.

Dr Nooooooo will be on soon to prescribe your medicine.

by way of penance i will play the shytefest community game tonight.

5 minutes in and the guy to my right is calling  everyone hun and telling them he is a cat.

stacks are 3000 and blinds 10/20 and someone has just gone all in pre flop with 3/4 off and got called by someone with ace ten.

this is the most tilt inducing shyte fest in world poker. phil ivey couldnt win this if he played it every week for a year.

im trying to finish 30th here. its harder than it sounds !

get in !!! paid out !!!

phil ivey couldnt win this if he played it every week for a year.

I see 0000000000000000000000000000 has left the building

its stopped raining !!!!

golf course beckons till the  racings finished !!!!

All in on Europe for the Ryder Cup lads?

I'm tempted

first  person i saw on the course was chris turner. [>o]

i was seething !!!!

Another day.

Having a kip for an hour, then off to work for the evening so another day for me & another fiver in the jar.

for those of you that dont want to bet on the sports exhcange, just ask them to change your exposure to 0 [zero] and this will not allow you to place bets on the sports exchange.

Godfather....That would be the logical thing, and that is what I used to have in place on one of my accounts prior to the move however since the migration this is no longer possible.

When you set your exposure to zero you cannot enter any poker tournaments.

Regards

Ray

Still hanging in there - not bets over the weekend. Off to London later to watch the basketball game with Betfair. 

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We have contacted the security team to ask them about this. This is not us avoiding the question as this topic has been brought up a few times by several users.

As soon as I have an answer I will post it here and put it in a new thread as well.

For those who don't want to eat cookies and chocolate:

Don't eat cookies and chocolate.

For those who don't want to drink so much:

Don't drink so much.

For those who don't want to walk off cliffs:

Don't walk off cliffs.

For those who don't want to bet at sports:

Don't bet at sports.

The solution stares you right in the face each time you look into the mirror.

Santa **** off til xmas eh, the adults are talking.

disipline disipline you got it in poker by the sounds of it now transform it to other areas are you studiying form of horses no dont sound like it thats like holdin 72 at poker the more you read the more you learn. get tips hhmm bound be short odds no value now if the tips are big prices you may not win but at least a bit of value dont chase on horse its like tilt at poker