Exposing a multi accounter

I would agree, but I honestly think there is no ruling on it.

I hope they have changed the rules-I will become Klup's best customer by clearing sign-up bonuses week in week out.Any suggestions for new aliases Jim?I will need a quite a few...

Can you see my point now Jim or are you just being pedantic for the sake of it?

If i can throw my spanner in the works now - i dont know why - but i seem to believe having one account might actually relate to licensing laws as opposed to terms and conditions. I do say this extremely tentitively and stand to be corrected.

I am not being pedantic. there is no rule on it as far as I can see. If I am wrong I will be the first to say so, please enlighten me.

regardless you cannot impose a rule on a player without it being published in the T&C's. EVER!

^ to klup

FFsmd - my stance is not about the rules being enforced - its about labelling him a ** that uses two accounts to exploit people - the thread sounds like collusion, but (accepting the situation that we believe you can only have one account) its more about breaking the terms and conditions as opposed to directly defrauding players.

Another term and condition is:
2.4 Betfair reserves the right to amend your Poker nickname and/or alias in its absolute discretion if it believes the same to be defamatory, offensive, pornographic or in any way intended to impersonate a real person or brand.


Now the alias Malaka is a greek swear word - and thats offensive :D


does this mean that because he chose a swear which ALSO breaches terms and conditions is he a **?

im not saying its right - im saying it does not make him a **

Having multi accounts is a bit different and potentially miles more serious than having an alias which means something rude in a particular language, surely?

Pretty ridiculous comparison, tbh.

That's a bit like saying doing 31mph and 100mph in a 30 zone is both breaking the rules.

in athens - they have a number plate rule - on one day plates ending in odd numbers can operate, on the next even numbers and so on - solution is having two cars - so does very little to reduce traffic.

Section 14.8 of the T&C's states that your email is now superseded. There is no rule, term, condition or law that states a person is limited to a single account. In fact the T&C's state that your account transactions are to be governed by the [seperate] T&C's relating to the main exchange site, [not the same company or country], and there is no restriction on accounts there either.

You may believe that there should be one, or expect there to be one etc etc and this is pretty much covered by section 14.3 which specifically states that the agreement is outwith the United Nations Convention on Contracts, which would [maybe] allow for a party to claim common expectations on ambiguous areas.

So as far as I can see, there is no rule, Brazilnut is doing no wrong and if you believe he holds an unfair advantage over you then this is only because you are not matching him in maximising his edge by using two accounts.

If you genuinely feel that it is an unfair playing field, [ruling or not], then play on another site that does have and does uphold this same rule.

Or is it just a witch hunt against Brazilnut?

Klup why are you posting under multiple accounts on this thread?

And the rules for multiple accounts is strictly sportsbook. You are not allowed multiple poker accounts.

The OP might have a witch hunt against him but that is not my motive.It is just typical of Betfair to have different rules for different people.It was in the t&c's as I distinctly remember reading it and my e-mail is dated 11th Feb 2010 so if it has changed then it is recent.And brasilnut was playing his malaka account last year anyway as were all the others.

So it is ok now to open unlimited accounts with various affiliates and take the sign-up bonuses before moving to the next account?No wonder Klup is not against it!And HEM and pokertracker etc will now become virtually useless as no-one will be playing under the same aliases?

At least it will now be a level playing field then.

This seems pretty straight forward to me. People shouldn't have multiple accounts. And people who have multiple accounts should not come on here defending them either. They should keep quiet and ** quietly.

Can someone tell me how you actually delete an account? I have an obsolete one with no money in it. Do you have to phone betfair to do it?

FFS - there is nothing to say a person cannot have more than one account. If there is please show me as I have read the T&C's and there is no mention of it whatsoever, and moreso section 14.8 which would cover any other ruling in existence.

Yes phone BF and they will disable it.

5. Betfair Poker reserves the right to exclude any entrant from competition, promotions, tournaments, events and from use of the Betfair Poker website if Betfair Poker believes that an entrant has tried to enter by using more than one user name or is otherwise engaging in any fraudulent or illegal activity (including participation that would be in breach of the law in your local jurisdiction), whether or not that entrant would or might have won any prize but for such activity.

Where is that from?

It is not from here. https://site.poker.betfair.com/termsandconditions.html

Who Knows who is playing what account ? years back half of the forum shared accounts ,probably
still do ,be very few on here who have only ever played on one account .

I think the players who use tracking software are **s.

This whole thread has put me on tilt FFS!

If it is not in the T&Cs then it is not reaking the rules and therefore not **ing and the rule that Doobs copied onto here does not say you cannot have more than one account.

As for people complaining that multi accounters make HEM and PT less useful well to them I say dee fecking dums because if anything is ruining online pker it is these tools.

For the record I have two sports accounts but only one active poker account so have no real axe to grind in this but I have 7 different ipokey accounts and 3 different paradise poker accounts and that is not breaking any rules and doesn't help me as I am shiite on all of them.

The fact that people get so hot under the collar about this amazes me, the guy is not **ing or being fraudulent and if it makes ur tracking software irrelevant then maybe you will have to learn to play properly or go play on Stars where it is a rule and they do enforce it!

I don't see a problem with it so long as the different accounts are not logged in at the same time.

Brasilnut plays a lot on the fixed limit tables, and has at least two other aliases. Chats a lot at the tables and all aliases chat in exactly the same style so very likely they are used by the same person.

Don't know if this breaks any rules/t&c but a good question for our next Q&A session.

Saying someone having 2 poker accounts is the same as colluding is retarded logic. For a fact, I have seen brasilnut and malaka22 playing at the same time but never at the same table.

This is such a retarded thread when there are so many more important issues regarding collusion which betfair need addressing. The author certainly is a grudge against this player or is just a sore loser. There are so many instances of multi-accounting and why single this one out?

If it's within the t&c there is no problem

If it's breaking the t&c/rules then ''because others do it'' or ''there are other things wrong at Betfair'' are poor excuses

who cares if he has more than one account just so that you 'can't keep track of him'

you really need to look at akropol's and the nono's who are the scourge of the SNG's...however from what i've seen, whenever they've played together, they've been so fecking stupid that they end up knocking each other out :^0

Dooberama 21 Apr 00:50


5. Betfair Poker reserves the right to exclude any entrant from competition, promotions, tournaments, events and from use of the Betfair Poker website if Betfair Poker believes that an entrant has tried to enter by using more than one user name

TBF that doesent actually state that it is illegal to have 2 accounts
it looks more like a well worded statement to stop double entries in games and promo`s

end of the day they are doing NOTHING WRONG - fact is its not in the T'C'S so carry on imo.

dont disagree that betfair should look into THEMSELVES but this name n shame boll*cks is pure rubbish

If Betfair allow it then Mr Nut and others with multi accounts have no problem, though Betfair themselves may have.

Worth a question in the Q&A session so we all know where we stand.

In real life you can't use software to help you , you can't play lots of games at once, you can't chat to other players at the same table without all players at that table knowing about it, you can't abuse other players as relentlessly ,you can't change your identity . In online poker you can do all the above and long may it continue .

This forum is full of old women, gossip mongering and grassing....

temple 21 Apr 13:40

Worth a question in the Q&A session so we all know where we stand.

I get the impression that, when they actually DO take place, the Q&A sessions tend to only answer the easy questions and ignore the difficult ones.

As the suspicion of collusion is probably one of the most important issues for online poker generally, and BF in particular, it might be an idea that when the next Q&A session takes place people ONLY ask direct questions about it at the expense of other, relatively minor topics.

iIt is unnerving at all stake levels to knock one username out of an mtt only to find there are 6 more of them with basically the same name, and probably sitting within 3 or 4 yards of each other, still to get through.... and when they use the same usernames with different suffixes they are the easy ones to identify.

Must be a way to prevent the same ip addresses from playing in the same tournies... I know ip addresses can be mucked about with but I am sure that IS against the T&Cs.

I accidentally tried to register twice for the same MTT using different accounts same IP. I couldn't and my accounts were suspended and investigated and then reinstated. I've played mtts with other people from the same IP , no problem as long as the accounts aren't in the same name.

I have two accounts on another site, the second one was opened to allow another family member to play, maybe thats what this guy has done. But so what if he has two for himself - more important issues on here than that. Sorry to say it but the player who started this thread reminds me of someone from my school days - "please sir it was him" he'd keenly shout when the teacher asked who'd done whatever annoyed him whilst his back was turned - wee b*&%"*d that he was, I still hate him. Report it to betfair if it annoys you so much.

posted by akabula - new to forum but been on site for over two years.

The author of this thread has too much time on his hands and probably needs to get a life.

i want a official answer for ths issue . i play regular to betfair poker and this thinks happen to me all the time .i have track a lot of players with more that 1 accounts byt they are so brain dead that theu do it so obvious with sit oyt at the table and sit in with one second with the other account!!! if any oany one can open more than one account then i willopen every week a new acount to take the sing bonus.betfair must close the acoount and refund the plauers!!

for clarity. having two accounts & earning 2 sign up bonuses are not the same thing. Some sites will allow you a second account but no second bonus.

I would agree with the poster above to not dilute the Q&A thread with lesser issues and keep it firmly to the collusion/service issues.

i have opened at least 5 poker accts on bf and only received 1 sign up bonus.if i play then i only play with 1 acct at a time - i dont think it is against any rules to have more than 1 alias.
betfair did ring me once and threatened to suspend me. one time i had 'given' an acct to a friend to try online poker as he does not have a card to deposit with. we had both unknowingly registered to the same freeroll.i explained this and after they had checked the different ip addresses they said there was no problem.

I am sure OP is about to retract his claims against Brazilnut being a ** anytime now, after all his crusade was not personal was it.

Jim please say something constructive or stfu.

All nagstoriches has confirmed is that there is 1 rule for 1 and 1 for another.The rule is enforced in some cases and that is a fact-how much more clarity do you require?

No-one(not even you Jim) has answered the question as to why people do multi-account if it has no benefits?

Was you born this stupid. It is quite clear* that there is no rule. In the event of there being "other" historic rules, see Section 14.8.

Furthemore, N2R makes the point that due to communicating with BF they are happy for him to have/own more than one account as long as he does not miss use it.

How much clearer do you want it? Why not phone BF for clarification?

* The reason for it being this clear is because it is easily communicated to you in the T&C's, and everyone knows that they are the cornerstone of any rules in existence. To avoid any further doubt they included section 14.8.

Right or wrong THIS is the situation. live with it.

FWIW, there does not have to be a reason given to you for the benefit [or otherwise] of owning multiple accounts. It is allowed and people obviously do it. I have one account, and that is used as often as we see rainbows, but it changes nothing. Brazilnut has not **ed. End of errand.

No I was not born stupid Jim.You,however,seem incapable of grasping any of the points I have made so I will not waste any more of my time or your last few brain cells.

I have grasped your points. Let me summarise.

BF have no rule to say that each user can only have one account. I have asked you to show us this and you cannot. I have shown you the actual T&C's and you declined to comment. You have however been told that you cannot have multiple accounts. In all likelyhood this is because you have dealt with the BF customer service team who are renowned for making things up as they go along, even contradicting their own printed rules, (the ones that are legally enforceable as a contract between you and them).

Yet you think your right and the T&C's are just a frivolity.

Once Betfair found out I had 2 accounts, at the time I had my own and a badbeat account I was forced to close one. Every time I open a new account on betfair my poker is automatically suspended.

If this is not proof that it is against their rules to have more than 1 account then there is no convincing you.

It is totally wrong to have more than 1 name. You have hard working people who make notes and learn peoples games only for the player to make a new account and you have to start all over again with the new account knowing EXACTLY how you play but you have to figure out all over again how this new name plays.

It is an unfair advantage and should not be allowed. It is not **ing but it is not right and correctly not allowed on the big sites.

JusticeFT96 22 Apr 07:21

Once Betfair found out I had 2 accounts, at the time I had my own and a badbeat account I was forced to close one.

Does this now make you a colluder and / or a **?


Every time I open a new account on betfair my poker is automatically suspended.

Just how many accounts have you opened? Please tell us WHY you felt the need to open more accounts? Was it because one account was suspended or closed or chat banned or something? And you needed a new account to abuse people with? There could be 1000 reasons so best for you to ellaborate.

Does this now make you a colluder and / or a **?


If this is not proof that it is against their rules to have more than 1 account then there is no convincing you.



It is totally wrong to have more than 1 name. You have hard working people who make notes and learn peoples games only for the player to make a new account and you have to start all over again with the new account knowing EXACTLY how you play but you have to figure out all over again how this new name plays.

So does this mean all eyepoker, entraction, cake, pacific .... players should not be allowed to open new accounts on different skins?

it is not right and correctly not allowed on the big sites.
Like Helmuthian Folds stated - I have about 7 eyepoker accounts on seven different skins - should 6 of them be closed to make the job of the "HARD WORKING" sharks easier? Granted, fools tilt and stars dont allow it - but i had two fools tilts accounts (second one opened by mistake as i didnt remember having previously opened an account) but i wasnt labelled a ** for doing that - and they moved my money from second account back to my original one ... if they suspected foul play, they would have kept the $3000 or so and closed both accounts.

It is an unfair advantage and should not be allowed.

Then the exact same should/ could be said about HEM and other such supporting software? I know many players use it - and it doesnt bother me one iota.


It is not **ing

^^^^^^
THIS IS THE ONLY SECTION IN YOU POST THAT I CONCUR WITH. Having multiple accounts DO NOT AUTOMATICALLY mean you are a **.


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If people suggest that it opens up opportunity to ** then lets put this about 127th in the que behind the likes of - 1) msn, 2) skype 3) ICQ 4) Palringo 5) phones 6) Internet cafe's 7) Multiple Broadboand lines ............


For OP to come here and label Brazil nut a ** - is as some earlier poster stated: a RETARDED suggestion. And thats where this debate began and where it ends.

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I think you sum it up when you say it ''opens up an opportunity to **''.
And just because this is low down on your own list does not mean it is right, it maybe top of anothers list.

I am not bothered either way, but think it is a matter that Betfair can easily, and should, clarify.

The OP would have been better not naming a player but putting a scenario to make their point and Mr Nut may well be due an apology.

FWIW - Its very low down on my list because its arguably one of the easiest was to get caught **ing.

You must be well stupid to have two accounts in your name and play in the same stt or cash ring as your other account. And as per nags to riches example, I think betfair do pick up on things like that and correctly so, do act accordingly.

Where blatant collusion is rife - it needs to be addresses asap - obviously its more noticeable on cash tables and sng - and I have never 'shot down' other posters for reporting collusion. I fully support and advocate players who report collusion - as a tournament player, i encounter less of it.

Klup-stop contradicting yourself.So now it is **ing but not high priority-jesus.

The facts are this-the rule is confusing for starters and needs clarifying.If it has changed then it has happened very recently.Secondly,Betfair need to be 100% consistent in enforcing their rules or doubts,as expressed in this thread,will always creep in.

You then say that you play tournaments so you don't see it-well don't profess to know it all then.I could name at least 4 regulars on limit cash who play different accounts on a daily basis.It begs the question as to why they do this and no one has an answer.

Everyone sussed that malaka was brasilnut about a year ago so the OP's comments are not as much of a revelation as he thinks.FWIW this was confirmed by brasil/malaka in chat but since then he has gone back to his old account and flitted between the two.Only he can say why and only Betfair can say why they allow him to do it but stop others.

However trivial a rule may seem it is surely imperative that they are all adhered to by everyone particularly when money is involved.It is common sense as well that 1 poker alias per person would make it far easier to monitor other issues such as collusion or chip-dumping.For these reasons I do not understand why everyone doesn't agree on this unless they have an ulterior motive.

Vegas Virgin-stop pi$$ing about playing sng's and post Betfair's policy on this.

Jim-I accept your apology.

once again - u putting words into my mouth

im simply indicating that it could be seen as an opportunity to ** and that such opportunites / threats of collusion exists in far more likely areas such as MSN / SKYPE etc.

No tool or multiple account theory is "automatically" **ing - it only becomes **ing once people choose to USE it / them to **.

Brazil nut is NOT a **.

Methinks the only reason why the author is going after poor nut is that he is a winner and he perceives him, somehow, as a threat, particularly as he writes quite interesting articles for a website (www.laytheodds.com/online-poker).

If anybody has observed the old BrasilNut of 6 months ago in limit games and the new one in limit games you will discover that they are NOT the same player as the new BrasilNut is a complete fish and the old one is a decent winning player (and thus how can this ever be multi-accounting????)

Also, malaka does not play LIMIT and brasilnut does not play NL and they have never known to play at the same table thus the collusion/**ing arguable does not apply.

everybodiesawinner - i agree its not **ing by any means but please stop talking about yerself as a third person - 1.01 in my book tis u sir ;)

Is any of that 1.01 still available hull m8 ? :D

:( - gubbed again i take it :(

better bet is hull city to get relegated at 1.16 ;)

You mean Hull City are not already relegated?

lol - actually looked myself cos thought it sounded like value - prob is @ 1.15 :D

So this thread degenerates to the accused posting incognito and telling blatant lies and Betfair's biggest fan/affiliate having a laugh and joke with him.

Sums it all up really.

As others have said, it's not really **ing (Sharkscope has over 30 skins covered by the I-Poker umbrella) but it is sharp practice, mainly used to get action from players who might otherwise choose to avoid you (and can exercise their right to choose on better sites or live), or by hyper-aggressive players who prevent others from guaging their range by continually switching accounts.

Nothing will ever be done about it on Betfair, though, because in the main it's the high stakes/rakers doing this and neither the site, or the affiliates, will let fair play get in the way of a pocketful of coin. I share the OP's surprise at Klup's continual dismissal of this, bearing in mind his efforts to create a Betfair community. There's an obvious dichotomy involved where you're beckoning newbies into the fold with one hand, and then helping to shaft them with the other, through enabling sharks to create multi-accounts.

My continued, sustained and solitary view on this subject has been:
Having a second account does [b]not necessarily make you a **. Thats all.[/b]


as for this:
Fingerzz 22 Apr 12:39
So this thread degenerates to the accused posting incognito and telling blatant lies and Betfair's biggest fan/affiliate having a laugh and joke with him.
Sums it all up really

I have no idea who you refering to about posting incognito as I dont know brasil nut/ malaka - but if there is an opportunity to have a laugh, well put me first in line because I am always up for it - its who i am, who i was and who i always will be.

Klup-So you make a statement endorsing the honesty of someone you don't know?It beggars belief.

This thread shows there are concerns yet your reaction is to make bold,over the top,highlighted,sweeping comments that make you sound like a pi$$ed up oscar winner.

According to Betfair having an active second account is against the rules and therefore **ing.Please confirm that you have been told otherwise or are your sweeping comments your opinion and not necessarily fact?

If you can't or won't answer this then just say nothing because your drama queen comments are very tilting.

According to Betfair having an active second account is against the rules and therefore **ing.

Having the nick name Malaka is also against the rules - does that make one a **?

Please paste term and condition that identifies that players are only allowed to have one active account. Im not suggesting that it doesnt exist, im simply stating that i (like Jim henson) cannot find it.

And like I have stated previously I have an e-mail from Betfair dated 11/1/10 stating that if a new account is opened then any other accounts must be closed.I have seen this rule in black and white before on the t&c's but I cannot find it now as well.

Can you honestly not see my point?Have things changed or do they just treat people differently?And if there is no benefit then why are so many players using multi-accounts?

Just simple questions but no-one provides simple answers.Typical.

Fingerzz, wind your neck in and give your a rse a chance yeah. While your at it go borrow a braincell to keep yours company. Your not the dumbest person on here but you sure do make a good job of impersonating them.

THE T&C's stand. It is not prohibited. Anything else is hearsay, opinion, miss information, wrongly applied, etc etc.

^^

Get someone to explain that last sentence to you. It is what you might call the be all and end all of the matter.

The morality of having multiple accounts is a different question altogether, and since it is six of one and half a dozen of another, and the least of concerns in the scheme of things then no one really cares aside you.

It would seem that you are disgruntled by the fact that you are not allowed multiple accounts, rather than the morality of it. Perhaps BF have a discretionary policy in who can and cannot be trusted to have multiple accounts? Personally I believe that they make things up as they go along and on another day you would get a different email allowing you to have multiple accounts. Regardless until there is something in the T&C's then you cannot go around brandishing people as **s imo.

is miss information a pretty girl?

lol, no as it happens. He is a bald bloke named Shael Riley.

Oh Jim-you are so butch.

I cannot continue to discuss this matter with you any further as I need to close this account as my latest sign-up bonus is cleared.I have opened a new one via some greek blokes affiliate site who says I can keep opening as many as I want as long as I don't tell anyone.

My next post will be under the forum name the neckwinder-look out for me Jim.

Did they also refuse you from doing comedy too? Perhaps you can start a witch hunt against Peter Kay now.

Well I obviously don't have the comedy credentials of you Jim so i will concede that point.Thanks for kermit btw-he is my favourite frog ever.

ay gamisou

There are some sad people on this thread buts that enough about Jim and Klup! :o

I think you wll find it is not brazilnut that this fingerzzz person has a problem with it is Klup. Yes he is Greek, yes he is a fish, yes he is lodged firmly up Betfairs harris but he is just a big cuddly teddy bear who would help out anyone and genuinely puts himself out for other people. This makes him popular and people like fingerzzz have never been popular so love to attack peope like him from behind their keyboards. Very sad really.

But as previously asked, where in the T&C's does it say no more than one active account? Until you can answer this question Mr Fingerzzz I think you should really keep quiet and stop embarrassing yourself!

As has already been said - more important issues on here.
What about poor o o o o o o o o he's looking for advice on milking cows and you all wasting time on this - get your priorities right!

HF-the only person embarrassing themselves is you if you think what you posted is true.I can assure you I have had many problems with brasil but up until this thread I had never had anything to do with your mate klup.

As for hiding behind my keyboard well that's not really my style but think what you want mate.

whats your alias Fingerzz?

I was thinking that too

You and Jim Hensen are the same person as you have tripped yourself up in the past - ooooooooooooooooooooooooooops

LOL tracking software is **ing .

Please see the Q an A thread tonight.Like I said it is the rule but the fact it is not enforced on some people makes it worthless.I won't play here much if it doesn't change.

I accept your apology Jim.

Klup-I read back through this thread and I think I was a bit harsh to you doubting your integrity so I apologise.

GL all.

Fingerzz - fair enough mate, we all get excited in debates / arguments.

At times it inevitably looks like im defending betfair, but it only appears like that as i generally like to believe I look at all three sides to the story - glass half full, half empty, or half a glass too much :D

Peep want to get of their high horses here. Wheres the evidence these accounts have been used to **? Could be loads of reasons why hes got 2 accounts. Also appears that the 'green eyed monster' has raised its head at The Klup's status on betfair. Get real.

who is to say his friend is not giving him the hand historys ect to post on the site?

Brasilnut himself admitted it so stfu.

While you're here-can you confirm that you now have only 1 active poker account or are you going to continue to play on your scandiuk,ukscandi,ka ka etc accounts?

It sums Betfair up when a prop guilty of multi-accounting has no fear of posting on a thread about the same subject.

JPJ 26 Apr 19:30


Betfair Customer Services 26 Apr 19:14


Hi JPJ,

There is nothing preventing customers from having several accounts on Betfair but you are only allowed one active poker account.

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I think there was a thread a few days ago where it was shown that this wasn't the case. Your views on it would be interesting.

Good luck


Clear enough?

Jim Royle 26 Apr 20:44
Can you tell us exactly whereabouts in the T&Cs it says that players are not allowed more than one active poker account, please?


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Betfair Customer Services 26 Apr 21:08
Thanks all,

Appreciate the last few questions,and we'll get these addressed in our next forum Q&A in late May.

In the meantime, questions can always be put to Betfair Poker via our Customer Services team.

As always, best of luck at the tables,

The Betfair Poker Team

Jim Royle 26 Apr 23:28
my Q was a lead in to the collusion stuff but I obviously asked it when everyone had gone on an extended tea break so never actually got an answer.


So what do you mean by this Jim?You keep asking the same question about the t&c's-Betfair answered the question on their policy so what is your point and why would your question be a lead into collusion?

Because if there is nothing in the T&Cs about having more than one active poker account, then the fact that someone from customer services states that it is not allowed means they are either repeating something that has no legal basis or making it up as they go along.

If that is the case then how are people to take seriously any statements by a member of customer services that bf are acting on demonstrated instances of collusion when the stock answer is to hide behind the Data Protection Act which may or may not be applicable under Maltese law... (not an expert on Maltese law so couldn't comment)

Yeah I agree-problem is they have different rules for different people which is probably why it has been removed from the t&c's.

Jim is right, they should have qualified their answer by printing the relevant t/c paragraph.

I know a couple of people that multi-account, simply because the poker software is so resource intensive (i.e. poorly written) that they can't open the number of tables that they want on a single laptop. Therefore they have two accounts and play on two laptops side by side.

Anyone tracking their stat's will get the same figures on both accounts, so there really isn't any disadvantage there.

Besides, this is one of those issues where it would be impossible for any legislation to be enforced. If someone wants to multi-account, they can set up a new account using a friend's name and address and there would be absolutely no way to link the new account with the old one. This being the case, whether or not we are happy with multi-accounting is really irrelevant - its always going to be an aspect of online poker.

Fingerzz just to confirm you welsh rat, this account you have posted under now is a new account to the previous account you posted on last time you bought this subject up a few months back!!! so... you have contredicted yourself all ready lolol! yes i can confirm i play under scandiuk and forum name kaka! Also i have 2 accoutnts if that makes you feel better! xx

Lol Scandiuk/ukscandi/kaka.No wonder you got upset at this thread with your little b u m chum getting accused of **ing.

I can confirm,hand on heart,that I only have 1 active poker account.

FWIW it makes no difference to me how many accounts you play because you are such a muppet you lose whatever.

Welsh rat eh-just lol. xxx

Just to confirm then;

Still no evidence of **ing.
Still no T&C's to show that multiple accounts is **ing.
Your witch hunt is just a personal grudge.

No change here then?

Oh and your Welsh. I guess that is Karma for you.

Jim-if you noticed that a few of the players you regularly play against are multi-accounting and you were told it was against the rules would you not want to find out why?If that is your idea of a 'witch hunt' then fair enough.I have a valid reason for being on this thread-you just obviously have nothing better to do.That's sad and I feel sorry for you.

As for your remarks about my nationality well if you are ever in Wales then let me know and I promise you a good night out.

I have had a couple of emails from Betfair with regards the question i asked relating to this thread. They wanted to know which thread i was talking about so that they could look into it and hopefully addreass peoples concearns.

So maybe just leave it and see if they comment as they do seem to want to clear up any confusion.

Cheers :)

Fingerzz. You admitted earlier in the thread that it was a personal grudge and not a moral crusade. Don't make out otherwise now. The fact remains that you labelled someone a **, when he was not, (or not for any reason you cited). This has been explained to you on several ocasions and yet you have ignored it and moved your goalposts slightly.

If BF have allowed some, but not others to use multi accounts then your grudge should be with them, (though as it stands you have no recourse as it is soley at their discretion unless in T&C's), yet your grudge is with someone else and this is your pathetic keyboard warrior attempt at petty revenge?

Can I ask if you are up or down against Brazilnuts?

Thanks for the offer of a night out, but No Baahaa ;-)

In theory BF should now act to either make the policy apply to all, or state that it is at their sole discretion. On the other hand it is BF so anything could happen. Either way why not take your crusade to them instead of singling out one person and posting defamatory remarks about them on here?

Read the thread back Jim and get your facts straight.

Wrong theory again-I am up on brasil as it happens as I am sure he would confirm.I actually quite like him as a bloke at the tables as well but he knows my feelings on his multi-accounting.

I have voted with my feet and play mainly elsewhere but would come back here ft if this was sorted.

Let me know if you change your mind about the night out-you sound like you need some company.Bye Jim

See if you can spot the bit that gives you away?

HF-the only person embarrassing themselves is you if you think what you posted is true.I can assure you I have had many problems with brasil but up until this thread I had never had anything to do with your mate klup.

As for hiding behind my keyboard well that's not really my style but think what you want mate.

You really are a fool.

Again I pass the offer of a night out. I tend to spend time with folk who are more fun and way more intelligent. But thanks anyway.

And a massive LOL at refusing to play on a site because one person has two accounts which you know about. Not because of all the other faults, but because of your grudge with Brasilnuts. Seriously, you knobend.