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BrasilNut, as moderate winning player in ssnl games on Betfair poker is a multi accounting **. He posts hands on a betting forum www.laytheodds.com under his Betfair SN but because he's too dumb to use a HH converter, it exposes the SN of his second account, which is Malaka22.
Just thought that anyone who plays with him regularly might like to know that they're sharing a table with a **.
Here is a link to one of his posts that clearly shows him playing under a second account.
http://www.laytheodds.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=55682
Just thought that anyone who plays with him regularly might like to know that they're sharing a table with a **.
Here is a link to one of his posts that clearly shows him playing under a second account.
http://www.laytheodds.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=55682
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^^^^^^^^^
please insert another coin and try again |
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I'm not sure what you mean by that. I guess you're trying to be cleverly dismissive, which would just about sum up the level of intelligence of your average Betfair player.
You share your site with tonnes of **s, your host does nothing to protect you from them and you're too stupid to realise how bad it is. I pity you. |
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how exactly has he **ed?
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You really have to ask?
I think you know how it is **ing. However, given that Betfair used to have an infamous multi accounting ** represent them, I guess that they might think it an acceptable practice. |
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i dont know about all of this, but i'd like to hear you say that line again about eating a liver with some fava beans and a chianti.
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whilst you at it - try look up
sansiro022 sansiro024 both played the 3200 tonight - or even the akropol's or the nonno's. They actually play in the same tournaments. At least Malaka only uses one account at a time |
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At least Malaka only uses one account at a time
So, you think its ok for people to use multiple accounts? If sites allowed it, or name changes, I wouldn't have a problem with it, as everyone would be on a level playing field but when **s like BrasilNut/Malaka22 deliberately break sites T&C's for their own gain, I think its wrong and these people should be outed for being the**bags that they are. What makes it worse in the case of BrasilNut, is that he is actually friendly with other regulars at the tables, who probably aren't even aware that he's **ing them out of their money at times. |
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probably aren't even aware that he's **ing them out of their money at times.
Whats he doing to them? making them look up and then pinch *****from under their noses? |
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As I'm sure you're aware, most regulars will use tracking software. Because he splits his play over 2 or possibly even more accounts, he will have more information and notes on his opponents than they will have on him.
However, I know that you know all of this. I'm just trying to figure out what your motivation for trying to play dumb over the situation is, especially when you're a relatively well thought of member, who Betfair have given his own blog to. Surely game integrity is important to you? |
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If someone really wants to ** - they can sit naked in the middle of soho on msn to their mate in antartica whilst conferencing with someone on an ocean liner - and even then, it doesnt guarantee them any winnings.
If Phil Ivey decides to open a poker account on betfair tomorrow- should we tell him he must register his alias as Phil Ivey so everyone knows how good he is? Lets get real - anyways, some sites enable you to change your player name regularly, there are no quams there |
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Isnt using : tracking software a form of gaining an advantage over other players? and how would this be different to changing accounts?
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Again, as you know, the use of tracking software such as HEM or PT3 isn't against the T&C's of the site. Having more than one account is.
You carry on playing Devils Advocate. You do yourself and other players a huge disservice but if it makes you feel good, go for it. |
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At first, I thought you were just messing around, having some fun. Now, I seriously think you don't understand.
Its little wonder that Betfair poker and its community are the laughing stock of poker when people like you are one of its more prominent figures. I've done what I intended to now. Hopefully someone from Betfair will look into this and if not, hopefully some of this **s opponents will see this and benefit from being made aware of it. Nothing more to add really, so, cheerio. |
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ok time for my 2c in a rare attempt at a serious post.
the problem is that via the main betting exchange you can open as many accts as you have debit cards to fund them. i currently have 2 bf accounts, one has £1.73 in it, the other £0.00 that being the case it means i also have 2 poker accounts. i did register once for the same tournament with both of these, it was the bfwcop forum game, where you bought into a holding tank online through bf poker. however... it would be a simple task to use both at the same time, one through a dedicated landline and one through a mobile dongle. seeing as any questions re collusion and the detection of same go unanswered, my opinion is that such activity would not be detected if you played from now till armegeddon. therefore the problem is - multi accounts exist in numbers but the use of these accounts is self regulatory - which may be ok if you are honest like me, but if you aren't.... another reason why i dont play here tbh. |
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Hannibal
I dont know malaka/brasilnut but yes i have seen the alias at the table - but you've come out here and labelled someone him a ** impling he **s money out of other people. He may have two accounts, but he doesnt collude, and there are more serious issues out here regarding proper **ing that imo merit more attention. how many key players have changed alias' on this site? plenty plus - it doesnt change a sausage. when punterz became kangaroo - he was 10K down and everyone was laughing till they found out who he was. didnt give him an advantage - did it? |
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Klup-you seem to represent Betfair at some level.
So are you telling the OP that it is not against the rules to have more than 1 active poker account? |
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i never said that - i simply asked - how is it actually **ing?
And the "representing betfair" element is not applicable. I am commeting as a player and person. My views are that there is more significant / blatant **ing to worry about. |
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Well it is either against the rules or not-that is a yes or no question.
So what you are saying is that whether it is against the rules or not it doesn't make any difference.So its a case of Betfair not enforcing a rule that exists-that surely undermines all the rules in place including the more serious ones. You have a 'relationship' shall we say then with Betfair and fwiw from what I hear you do a great job.But you cannot be blinkered and defend them at every opportunity just because of this. |
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^^
tbf he is not saying that, you are, and then attempting to put the words in his mouth. Just because he does not hold the answer does not make him part of the problem, neither does offering his personal opinion. I think the issue really is, has both accounts been used at the same game? If not then move on it is commonplace and not worht worryig over. |
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The Klup 20 Apr 20:57 Hannibal I dont know malaka/brasilnut but yes i have seen the alias at the table - but you've come out here and labelled someone him a ** impling he **s money out of other people. He may have two accounts, but he doesnt collude, and there are more serious issues out here regarding proper **ing that imo merit more attention...... You read that differently to me then Jim. |
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can you tell me where it says you cannot have 2 accounts please?
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and how do you know that Brazilnut does not share his forum account [whichever it was] wth his wife/brother/longhaired lover?
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Jim Henson is quite correct in his summary - you guys are trying to place words into what i am asking / saying.
And re this: You have a 'relationship' shall we say then with Betfair and fwiw from what I hear you do a great job.But you cannot be blinkered and defend them at every opportunity just because of this. Ive been a player on this site for 7 years from crypto days. This is not a relationship thing - i dont care what site it is - i personally do not care who i am playing or who they are. I play my hands, my cards, my way. I choose to call, raise or fold. I dont keep notes on players nor do i use any tracking software. I dont care if other players use it, its their perogative. Defending betfair ?? Ive made no comment to that effect. |
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Klup-if you want me to be truthful then the fact that you are allowed to spam the forum constantly is also a rule that is overlooked.Doesn't bother me and like I said,apparently you do a good job-but you are only doing what a Betfair rep should be doing.Therefore I conclude that you are defending Betfair for the sake of it-couple that with the fact that I know some of your mates multi-account then it does raise suspicions to your motives.
The OP has a genuine concern but because he is not part of the forum mafia he gets shot down. It is against the rules to hold 2 active poker accounts and I have confirmation of this from Betfair.It is not enforced because I could name quite a few that play the same accounts on a daily basis.This raises 2 questions for starters; 1.If it is of no benefit to them then why do they do it? 2.If this simple rule is not policed and enforced then how can Betfair ever prevent the more serious issues? Btw klup-you used punterz/kangaroo as an example but I would guess that the former account had to be closed before the other was active as those are the rules. Jim-brasilnut publishes hh's on a blog with his 2 poker aliases on there so you don't have to be a rocket scientist to work it out. |
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Fingerzz
You obviously blinkered about what I am saying: read my posts - i state: there are more serious issues out here regarding proper **ing that imo merit more attention These problems exist on Betfair. as to why they do it? plenty reasons - but these are three that would make me change accounts: 1) cakeback deals? - old accounts didnt get them automatically 2) bonus & other promotion deals? 3) superstition, that an account is toxic or lacks the 'Keith A' golden lever? Yes- i concur that it is in betfairs terms and conditions that you cannot have two active poker accounts. You can however have multiple sports betting accounts. |
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PS - fingerzz
I have been forum banned for spamming. so its not overlooked. |
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can you tell me where it says you cannot have 2 accounts please?
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And finally before i catch up some sleep:
it was just over a week or maybe two weeks back, i posted a thread about collusion - here on Betfair. I was left three handed in a tournament with two players whos names were (similar to but the numbers might be wrong): 1) Akropol021 2) Akropol028 100 hands went past when we were 3 handed and these guys didnt clash once - several forumites joined in the tournament chat zone and watched the action. As soon as i went out (unluckily of course as i got my stack in good versus the chippy) the two of them shoved any two. Obviously they were on a deal - with each other. That to me is more serious - as are the stories about the non UK based colluders that many players post on this forum about. So carry on implying im defending my 'relationship' and go on accusing Malaka of '**ing'. |
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Jim Hensen 20 Apr 22:34
can you tell me where it says you cannot have 2 accounts please? Loolllll - i tried to find it in T&C's and couldnt find it! This will be a right old laugh if they removed it! |
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No Klup-the OP is talking about the same players active on accounts on the same day/week/month-in other words they have more than 1 active account.
I agree that there are more serious issues but why have rules for one and not for others?It is just creating suspicion as is proved by this thread being started. I only brought the spamming up because I feel you have a conflict of interest.However,personally I applaud your enthusiasm and I think Betfair should give you a job rather than bend the rules. Jim-I have an e-mail from Betfair clearly outlining their rules on this but I assume from your child-like repetition of the same question you cannot find anything in the t&c's.Would you like me to forward the e-mail to you or is it past your bedtime now? |
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Klup-just read your last post.Then if Betfair ignore this how can you actively promote the site and still play here?
Whilst we are on the subject of dodgy things would you do me a favour?Sharkscope keytofame and tell me your thoughts. |
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If it is not in the published T&C's then it does not exist.
I could ask BF for an answer every day for a week and get the one I want by weekend, (assuming they reply). Whilst I do not wish to dispute your email it is of no relevance only to you if, (as I suspect), it is not published on the site. As for the bedtime insult.... 0.1/10 |
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I have an email from Betfair telling me the site will be drastically improved by 2008. I guess I must harass Klup to air my grievance with BF's sloppy communications then?
The point is it is of little concern to anyone, and is a grey area at best. Just move on. |
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In fact...
Just move site. This is by far the idea one could have. |
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Saying theirs more serious infractions so this doesnt matter, is just why betfair is riddled with **s,if its a rule and being broken then thats **ing and should be addressed, the op is acting in a communty spirted way by warning others.But to say some rules dont really count is the road to ruin, because other players will feel other rules dont matter until no rules can be considered a actual rule.I must say klup i really dont like your line in this post at all.
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I would agree, but I honestly think there is no ruling on it.
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I hope they have changed the rules-I will become Klup's best customer by clearing sign-up bonuses week in week out.Any suggestions for new aliases Jim?I will need a quite a few...
Can you see my point now Jim or are you just being pedantic for the sake of it? |
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If i can throw my spanner in the works now - i dont know why - but i seem to believe having one account might actually relate to licensing laws as opposed to terms and conditions. I do say this extremely tentitively and stand to be corrected.
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I am not being pedantic. there is no rule on it as far as I can see. If I am wrong I will be the first to say so, please enlighten me.
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