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12 mtt... usual crowd. 2 of my mates there. one came 4th. aaaaaaaanyway...
23 runners... down to about 17.... blinds are 10/20. i have 450. villain is chip leader with about 700
i am on the BB with A-K suited. villain in the cut-off raises to 50 - so 30 more...
it's folded to me... i re-raise to 230 - so 200 more. i have about 220 left in my stack which i make known.
he re-raises me all in. obv i can't fold and was actually hoping for q-q or below...
what did i see? A-9. wow.... lovely... but a 9 on the flop and i was gone.
now... i hope no-one will disagree with me in that this was an awful play by him.
the raise to 50 is fine. when i re-raise he has to know he is dominated by a bigger ace or a pair from 10-10 to A-A.
thing is... i was telling the story in the bar to some of the people who had already busted out and were playing a 5 sng. one of them piped up... "A-9? i would do that too." i replied "if you would do what he did then you're an idiot."
then i got a load of stick for saying that and then the guy continued to try and reason about the play. i left it in the end but did not apologise.
i said nothing to the guy who put the beat on me.but this guy arguing his case when i had told him the exact raising numbers etc really got to me...
now.... i know i should be happy that both of these players exist as in the long term i will profit from those situations etc.... but i can't help looking at the short term...
your thoughts...
23 runners... down to about 17.... blinds are 10/20. i have 450. villain is chip leader with about 700
i am on the BB with A-K suited. villain in the cut-off raises to 50 - so 30 more...
it's folded to me... i re-raise to 230 - so 200 more. i have about 220 left in my stack which i make known.
he re-raises me all in. obv i can't fold and was actually hoping for q-q or below...
what did i see? A-9. wow.... lovely... but a 9 on the flop and i was gone.
now... i hope no-one will disagree with me in that this was an awful play by him.
the raise to 50 is fine. when i re-raise he has to know he is dominated by a bigger ace or a pair from 10-10 to A-A.
thing is... i was telling the story in the bar to some of the people who had already busted out and were playing a 5 sng. one of them piped up... "A-9? i would do that too." i replied "if you would do what he did then you're an idiot."
then i got a load of stick for saying that and then the guy continued to try and reason about the play. i left it in the end but did not apologise.
i said nothing to the guy who put the beat on me.but this guy arguing his case when i had told him the exact raising numbers etc really got to me...
now.... i know i should be happy that both of these players exist as in the long term i will profit from those situations etc.... but i can't help looking at the short term...
your thoughts...
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i don't expect my hands to hold everytime. i know that A-A will lose all i pre about 1/5 times. fine... it's maths and i can't change it....
and i repeat that i did not say anything to the guy who got lucky vs me....
and i repeat that i did not say anything to the guy who got lucky vs me....
So tell us abut when you berated the guy for his poor play. What did he say?
You dont expect your hands 2hold everytime
Knowing your right is 'sort of' enough for you
Dont chunntter on at the bar about it then, and take the beat gracefully knowing u will take the pot most of the time.
***end of thread***
:)
Knowing your right is 'sort of' enough for you
Dont chunntter on at the bar about it then, and take the beat gracefully knowing u will take the pot most of the time.
***end of thread***
:)
dont even think about play ing in casinos with real players
real players lay down a-9 there. and it wasn't the beat.... it was the attempt at a debate afterwards...
fyi... i went to luton g-casino on sat. busted out of the 10 rebuy while 4 buy ins deep and getting nothign better than 10-10 once...... i had 20% of my friend tho and he chopped it for 440 so i made 40-ish profit overall from it.
in the 20 freezeout at 10pm... i finished 2nd for 140 and gave the same friend 20%.
after paying for food,petrol etc and donking 50 away at roullette while tilted i still walked out with 60 more than i went in with.
obv these stakes are small but that was all they offered.
real players lay down a-9 there. and it wasn't the beat.... it was the attempt at a debate afterwards...
fyi... i went to luton g-casino on sat. busted out of the 10 rebuy while 4 buy ins deep and getting nothign better than 10-10 once...... i had 20% of my friend tho and he chopped it for 440 so i made 40-ish profit overall from it.
in the 20 freezeout at 10pm... i finished 2nd for 140 and gave the same friend 20%.
after paying for food,petrol etc and donking 50 away at roullette while tilted i still walked out with 60 more than i went in with.
obv these stakes are small but that was all they offered.
joe - someone asked how i got knocked out so i said. that is how it started
Yeah but what about the guy. What did he say when you moaned at him for knocking you out?
highstack - as i said.... when i got the beat i got up and walked away. i said nothing at all to the guy with the A-9 - nothing bad nothing good
I dont think a strategy discussion involves calling sum1 an idiot buildy boy. If that was me an sum1 asked I would simply say i got my *****in miles ahead and got raped,what can u do, end of.
A conversation normally when someone asks you if he knocks you out would go;
A: How did you do out?
B: I had AK against A9 but he hit a 9
A: Unlucky
B: yeah nothing I could do
Then you go the bar and get smashed
A: How did you do out?
B: I had AK against A9 but he hit a 9
A: Unlucky
B: yeah nothing I could do
Then you go the bar and get smashed
Yeah I understand that. I dig what ya say, but the guy who had A9 and beat your Ak. What did he say when you told him he was an idiot?
Yeah but what about the bloke who beat ya AK with his A9? Didn't he get upset when you told him how bad his play was?
Also someone might say well he can't fold a9 there and you agree whilst secretly disagreeing, next time your AK holds up and you double up.
LOL stackers follow buildys story! He said nothing, left the table and threw his dummy out the pram :)
thebuilder86. 05 Jun 00:46
and i repeat that i did not say anything to the guy who got lucky vs me....
I don't think he is plaing any more :( remained remarkably calm. I expected major bites after asking the same question in 3 different ways after this post. A most disappointing haul. My angling requires new bait :(
(I know HJ - just trying to get a reaction mate - didn't work :( )
and i repeat that i did not say anything to the guy who got lucky vs me....
I don't think he is plaing any more :( remained remarkably calm. I expected major bites after asking the same question in 3 different ways after this post. A most disappointing haul. My angling requires new bait :(
(I know HJ - just trying to get a reaction mate - didn't work :( )
I have only played live once but went out of my way to not to be unpleasant- it is a cheap pub tourny where people are boozed- this is the reason you played it! Unless I am on major tilt online, I try and be courteous and keep my comments to 'lucky hand' or 'grr, that's annoying'. After all, ultimately you want people to make these callls. When playing live use some common sense. You don't wanna get beaten up.
whae god was giving out heads buildy thought he said beds , and asked for a soft watery one, imo :)
this is outrageous. loads of people saying i should not be able to voice my feelings about a play without fearing physical violence.... what society do we live in?
hs - nice try.
btw....... i doubt the guy with the A-9 was drunk. i had seem him with maybe 2 pints and he was a big guy too.
hs - nice try.
btw....... i doubt the guy with the A-9 was drunk. i had seem him with maybe 2 pints and he was a big guy too.
Why start an unneccesary argument against someone not involved?
If you don't understand where we are coming from then you're a thick**
What did you stand to gain from pointing out this bad play? What were the positives?
What did you stand to lose? The negatives.....
THINK.
What did you stand to lose? The negatives.....
THINK.
There is a way of wording things. You were obviously disappointed you didn't do better and should've left the pub before you take it out on people. I'm not saying you deserved to get beaten up but you should put it in perspective- it was a 10 pub tourny.
i didn't inted to discuss the guy's play with A-9.
all i did was tell how i went out. then the other guy starts with how it was a good play.
i can see how calling him an idiotis rude.... and i was steaming...
but i cannot take it back and would not. IT WAS/IS AN IDIOT PLAY. IF YOU'D MAKE IT.. THEN YOU ARE AN IDIOT. clear as day.
all i did was tell how i went out. then the other guy starts with how it was a good play.
i can see how calling him an idiotis rude.... and i was steaming...
but i cannot take it back and would not. IT WAS/IS AN IDIOT PLAY. IF YOU'D MAKE IT.. THEN YOU ARE AN IDIOT. clear as day.
builder - for someone supposedly intelligent you have a lot to learn about life and people
who said ole bum-face was intelligent? (apart from him) !!! ;)
'but i cannot take it back and would not. IT WAS/IS AN IDIOT PLAY. IF YOU'D MAKE IT.. THEN YOU ARE AN IDIOT. clear as day.'
It is a pub tourny. I presume everyone else in the pub cannot understand what the fuss is about. Maybe if you had siad casually that you thought it wasn't a great play, rather than that only an idiot would've done it, then he wouldn't have taken offence. These are casual players looking for a night out.
It is a pub tourny. I presume everyone else in the pub cannot understand what the fuss is about. Maybe if you had siad casually that you thought it wasn't a great play, rather than that only an idiot would've done it, then he wouldn't have taken offence. These are casual players looking for a night out.
i admit that calling him an idiot was maybe over the top.....
but i did say 'if' he made that same move.... which i believe to be true.
where exactly am i wrong in this? apart from what i have already conceded about being a bit silly to call him an idiot.
you lot always do this... laugh to yourselves and 'lol' at each other and call me all sorts but don't actually put foward a decent reason as to why i am wrong.
but i did say 'if' he made that same move.... which i believe to be true.
where exactly am i wrong in this? apart from what i have already conceded about being a bit silly to call him an idiot.
you lot always do this... laugh to yourselves and 'lol' at each other and call me all sorts but don't actually put foward a decent reason as to why i am wrong.
You're an idiot for trying to tell him the error of his ways, why not just agree and come back next week with a better idea of how the guy plays? If you are playing reguraly and take it as serious as you do why do you want to improve thier poker knowledge?? You could be the guy who always wins yet they don't know how you do it. If you keep winning they will start listening to your advice, become better players making it harder for you to win. The true sharks keep quiet unless helping a friend imo.
beckton - of course i understand that not everyone takes it so seriously... and that some people think incorrectly....
but if he was just having a fun night then why enter into a strategy debate? he was clearly a fool who thought it was a good play.
he brought it upon himself. i didn't ask for a discussion. i was asked how i went out.
but if he was just having a fun night then why enter into a strategy debate? he was clearly a fool who thought it was a good play.
he brought it upon himself. i didn't ask for a discussion. i was asked how i went out.
You must've worded it really badly to offend people. When I played a cra p shot, people were really pleasant, even when I hit gutshots against them. And to be honest, if the bloke had a lot of *****his call wasn't even that bad. He was kinda pot comitted.
I dont think anyone is saying you were wrong
No-one is saying he isn't an idiot
The issue is with you telling him this in a pub after a few drinks
It is unfortunate that you can't voice your opinion without fear of violence
but thats just the way it is
bite your lip and move on
No-one is saying he isn't an idiot
The issue is with you telling him this in a pub after a few drinks
It is unfortunate that you can't voice your opinion without fear of violence
but thats just the way it is
bite your lip and move on
Reread it. His call is awful but u still must've worded it awful . what's silly is it's not even against the guy involved but some by standing who it appears you were taking out ur anger on.
LOL@ this thread
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I also think it's a bit crazy to say the guy is an idiot. Pub game. Is not gonna be a high standard and is meant to be fun night out.
vinch - i know that educating your opponents is bad ev long term and will make the game tougher for you.
but when someone pipes up with the assertion that it was a good play then i will tell him why it was not.
i don't talk much strategy at the tables...... but when someone brings it up like this guy did then i will.
same with a guy earlier who hates me. he is an idiot who loves to show his bluffs when he wins 50 chip pots in the first level. like i care if my 3rd pair was in fact good. anyway... this guy lost most of his stack on a 8-9-j-j-x board with j-6. he went on to say how 3 jacks is a great hand etc. the opponent had 8-8 for the full house.
then when i told him how the big bet on the turn was a decent chance to lay it down he went off. i asked him what he was beating etc. a-9? his opponent wasn't gonna be betting so big there with that. q-q to a-a possibly but that didn't fit with the preflop betting. so his opponet had to have him beaten with either.........
7-10 or q-10 for the straight..
a-j, k-j, q-j etc for 3 jacks with a better kicker.
or 88/99 for the full house.
but when someone pipes up with the assertion that it was a good play then i will tell him why it was not.
i don't talk much strategy at the tables...... but when someone brings it up like this guy did then i will.
same with a guy earlier who hates me. he is an idiot who loves to show his bluffs when he wins 50 chip pots in the first level. like i care if my 3rd pair was in fact good. anyway... this guy lost most of his stack on a 8-9-j-j-x board with j-6. he went on to say how 3 jacks is a great hand etc. the opponent had 8-8 for the full house.
then when i told him how the big bet on the turn was a decent chance to lay it down he went off. i asked him what he was beating etc. a-9? his opponent wasn't gonna be betting so big there with that. q-q to a-a possibly but that didn't fit with the preflop betting. so his opponet had to have him beaten with either.........
7-10 or q-10 for the straight..
a-j, k-j, q-j etc for 3 jacks with a better kicker.
or 88/99 for the full house.
reasons why you are wrong
1 - the play wasnt the best agreed however , for him to realise that you arent folding atc here then you maybe give him more credit than he deserves
or he has an ace and is so inexperienced he thinks its good
either way he isnt in the wrong
2, if you expect or want more advanced play then dont go in tenner pub re buys
3, ultimatley you want the call
4, you are in a pub then decide to give out back handed insults and get into barneys - you neither have the physical presence nor the group of mates behind you to help if things turn nasty
5, you then decide to get involved in the barney on a forum because people tell you why you are in the wrong
no one really is disagreeing with his play are they ?
1 - the play wasnt the best agreed however , for him to realise that you arent folding atc here then you maybe give him more credit than he deserves
or he has an ace and is so inexperienced he thinks its good
either way he isnt in the wrong
2, if you expect or want more advanced play then dont go in tenner pub re buys
3, ultimatley you want the call
4, you are in a pub then decide to give out back handed insults and get into barneys - you neither have the physical presence nor the group of mates behind you to help if things turn nasty
5, you then decide to get involved in the barney on a forum because people tell you why you are in the wrong
no one really is disagreeing with his play are they ?
I agree with Mandalou. I also think you're taking a pub game too seriously.
no ur right mandy. i like ur posts. they calm me down and are usually correct. nuff razpekt son.
fyi - i did have 2 mates with me - both who are harder than me.... but i never even consider the possibility of violence as it doesn't happen in my circles.
no-one is agreeing with the A-9 play and that obv reflects the demographic on this thread. we take our poker seriously and notice glaring errors.
but people are disagreeing over me calling him an idiot. i do sort of think it was overthe top.... but i also believe he was and if he agreed with the move then he was/is an idiot.
the move is the move of an idiot. correct. we all agree. to agree with the move makes the person agreeing an idiot. surely?
fyi - i did have 2 mates with me - both who are harder than me.... but i never even consider the possibility of violence as it doesn't happen in my circles.
no-one is agreeing with the A-9 play and that obv reflects the demographic on this thread. we take our poker seriously and notice glaring errors.
but people are disagreeing over me calling him an idiot. i do sort of think it was overthe top.... but i also believe he was and if he agreed with the move then he was/is an idiot.
the move is the move of an idiot. correct. we all agree. to agree with the move makes the person agreeing an idiot. surely?
Ur missin gthe point. The guy isn't really an idiot either. E.g. one of myfriends who doesn't play poker might make the same move. Are they an iidot? No. They are just not as experienced as you and am up for a night out.
but he is an idiot. in the poker sense.......
obv he may be a professor in Cambridge in 'real-life'...... but for that moment one has to class him as an idiot in the poker sense.
obv he may be a professor in Cambridge in 'real-life'...... but for that moment one has to class him as an idiot in the poker sense.
no he isnt - he may be a learner , drunk , tilting or willing to gamble whatever . but you cant assume that a so called bad move agreed by experienced players makes a lesser one an idiot for not recognising that
have only read a small part of this thread but the jist is guy goes all in with a drawing hand gets called by an inferior hand,gets beat,gets very lucky to escape a beating of the physical kind???
From what i can see its safe to say two lads pushed their luck and got away with it in builders local tonight.
From what i can see its safe to say two lads pushed their luck and got away with it in builders local tonight.
If i throw the first punch its 10% chance they get up, Age21 is the most depressing tw at on the forum.
If they hit you like a pansy........re raise there big blind.
Call Age 21.................................Dont wory he wont be up.
A while back, at a touney, against the odds, my partner got to the final table. I say that, only coz he's cr*p, and the fact that he made it had me rofl. He'd made one fantastic play, which if I hadn't witnessed I wouldn't have believed, but that apart it was all luck.
Anyway, at FT we're all crowding round watching, and he makes a weak raise, which is pounced on by CL. He ends up all in with nothing and is forced to show his cards and thereby his bad play. Standing next to me was a guy who immediately began to** him off. By chance, it was the guy he'd made the great play against earlier.
Well, I couldn't resist giving him the sharp side of my tongue extremely loudly, and told me him that my old man might be a cr*p player but only I had the right to call him that, and he'd forced him to lay down his ak with aj etc so he couldn't be that bad etc.
Obviously my old man heard every word, but did he thank me for sticking up for him?? No, he had the right hump with me the entire weekend for loudly telling all that's he's a cr*p player.
I don't understand men at all.
Anyway, at FT we're all crowding round watching, and he makes a weak raise, which is pounced on by CL. He ends up all in with nothing and is forced to show his cards and thereby his bad play. Standing next to me was a guy who immediately began to** him off. By chance, it was the guy he'd made the great play against earlier.
Well, I couldn't resist giving him the sharp side of my tongue extremely loudly, and told me him that my old man might be a cr*p player but only I had the right to call him that, and he'd forced him to lay down his ak with aj etc so he couldn't be that bad etc.
Obviously my old man heard every word, but did he thank me for sticking up for him?? No, he had the right hump with me the entire weekend for loudly telling all that's he's a cr*p player.
I don't understand men at all.
Tess 05 Jun 05:08
Standing next to me was a guy who immediately began to **** him off. By chance, it was the guy he'd made the great play against earlier.
Did he have a perm and Bose headphones?
Standing next to me was a guy who immediately began to **** him off. By chance, it was the guy he'd made the great play against earlier.
Did he have a perm and Bose headphones?
I love these kinds of threads ;-)
Can I point out one thing ....
"Villain" was CHIP LEADER :-) How did he get to be chip leader if he was so kr ap lol
You were on BB giving it blah blah blah my hand is so good. I have gone allin at times like that and found the BB was BS ing
He would have still had *****available if he had lost, if he had won then he would have been an even bigger CL
You could have had 88 for all he knew, you could have had KQ soooted
Also he could have been "on a roll" cards could have been hot, blah blah blah, even Great Players acknowledge this can happen.
Cambridge is not too far from me ;-) I have always been put off playing live because I "fear the experts" but it actually sounds like fun now :-)
Can I point out one thing ....
"Villain" was CHIP LEADER :-) How did he get to be chip leader if he was so kr ap lol
You were on BB giving it blah blah blah my hand is so good. I have gone allin at times like that and found the BB was BS ing
He would have still had *****available if he had lost, if he had won then he would have been an even bigger CL
You could have had 88 for all he knew, you could have had KQ soooted
Also he could have been "on a roll" cards could have been hot, blah blah blah, even Great Players acknowledge this can happen.
Cambridge is not too far from me ;-) I have always been put off playing live because I "fear the experts" but it actually sounds like fun now :-)
Did all this end with Builder56 burning rubber out of The Gilded Cage carpark?
The only way this story could make me LOL harder, was if you had called the guys play "weak sauce" :)
The only way this story could make me LOL harder, was if you had called the guys play "weak sauce" :)
Did you not read Shaas thread about the aquarium sign??
Don't tap on the glass it will disturb the fish!!!
You want people going all in with you when they are behind.
You will win the hand more often than not.
You want next week to play against the "idiot" at the bar and you want him calling or going all in with A9...he is less likely to do that if you are educating him
Don't tap on the glass it will disturb the fish!!!
You want people going all in with you when they are behind.
You will win the hand more often than not.
You want next week to play against the "idiot" at the bar and you want him calling or going all in with A9...he is less likely to do that if you are educating him
Surely we can all make 'bad' moves when we know we are getting HUGE implied odds......if we win...we crush the table "Know It All"....and just you know it will make him so so angry and spoil his evening. This is worth at least treble the number of *****that are actually in the pot.
This is also one of the special situations, as identified by Sklansky, where the pot actually gets bigger as the evening progress.....ie still moaning at the bar 2 hours later = 1000 extra *****...still complaining and seeking public support 24 hours later = 5000 extra *****
The move was justified.
This is also one of the special situations, as identified by Sklansky, where the pot actually gets bigger as the evening progress.....ie still moaning at the bar 2 hours later = 1000 extra *****...still complaining and seeking public support 24 hours later = 5000 extra *****
The move was justified.
Using the word 'idiot' to a bloke's face at a pub bar late into an evening, is a -ev I'd say.
i'm gonna reraise builder at duffs game as often as i can
i'm a big guy who would def be drunk after 2 pints cos i dont drink due to medical problems in my brain
i'm potentially an idiot
now been close to 2 weeks off the straight weed, played live again last night, came 4th out of 20 runners, got into the money then had my aces cracked by JQ, its poker it happens, guy who did it got lucky, we laugh about it where i come from, but thats probably cos most of us northerners are retarded anyway, me more than most cos of the brain problems
Mick
i'm a big guy who would def be drunk after 2 pints cos i dont drink due to medical problems in my brain
i'm potentially an idiot
now been close to 2 weeks off the straight weed, played live again last night, came 4th out of 20 runners, got into the money then had my aces cracked by JQ, its poker it happens, guy who did it got lucky, we laugh about it where i come from, but thats probably cos most of us northerners are retarded anyway, me more than most cos of the brain problems
Mick
Builder, if you genuinely believe that your actions can be defended then your an idiot
BTW i'm not actually calling you an idiot; its just hypothical.
playing in a pub is not the same as online
calling someone an idiot, or idiot play will normally result in a punch at least.
a9 is normally a very strong hand at my local in a 12 event anyway so not so sure what ur problem is
calling someone an idiot, or idiot play will normally result in a punch at least.
a9 is normally a very strong hand at my local in a 12 event anyway so not so sure what ur problem is
I would go large over reraiser with A9 would just fold. Builder dont be angry x-( but B-) cool about it.
Bad beats happen we just have to accept it.......
Or if not make sure you can hit the other bloke harder than he can hit you.....
Bad beats happen we just have to accept it.......
Or if not make sure you can hit the other bloke harder than he can hit you.....
Builder meant to say wouldnt go large with A9 would fold to reraise. got a bit confused.
However as some one earlier said if you call someone an idiot in a pub after they have just had their money taken then you may well face an angry man.....
X-(
However as some one earlier said if you call someone an idiot in a pub after they have just had their money taken then you may well face an angry man.....
X-(
Actually JTG makes a very good point. Even if he knew you had AK he is risking 220 *****to win a 900+chip pot! So actually the play was fine!
Mavis - Really it was a 1900 chip pot because it riled Builder so much and haunted him for the next 24 hours.
i find it difficult to understand why u berrated someone over their poker skills in a 12 pub game. Criticising someone's play face to face is rude enough but given the situation it reflects very badly on u imo
u should have knocked him out builds or entertained the idea of a vicious cok fight in the toilets.
i've read the title and the original post but can't see how it even came close to a fight
Fishy, everytime Builder opens his mouth he nearly gets into a fight!
A thinly disguised " I am going to get in a fight playing live MTT " thread.
To be fair. Whether it's £12 or £12k shouldn't make any difference. Rich 'idiots' can buy into expensive games too.
I am sorry the thread title clearly indicates that a fight occured. It seems to me that this was a very short disagreement.
How do I go about claiming a refund for opening this thread?
How do I go about claiming a refund for opening this thread?
Good job. I had already typed out a mini essay in response to that remark but I thought I'd hold fire to see what your response was first.
A lucky escape!
A lucky escape!
not hard to find a nerve when i have my own crew of haters who constantly bang on about all the "freebies" all over the forum and my blog despite having never given me anything themselves
and u can f o n all tank
and u can f o n all tank
Matty is one of the nicest people I think I have ever met, I knew he didn't mean it.
Ah. Soz then. I remembered you from that taxi in Singa, Matty so was a bit offended/hurt when you first said it as didn't realise I'd annoyed you or whatever.. but seemingly just a misunderstanding. :)
Nope lol, you came across as very nice in the days I was with you in Singa. Unless you change into a monster when you get home ;) Anyways i'm off for a bit cya
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