Calling Kunku Wap

would say it depended on the action but the ten in his hand is irrelevant (doesnt play on that board)

he has called the river with king high which although not common does happen

john is a feel player and if he puts the other guy on a move he will make a call with king high on that type of board.

from my point of view this isnt a mad call or smth. it could be nuts or just nothin. love this call

some betting patterns mean its either a nuts or no hand as the above poster has correctly said.

without knowing the betting pattern, pot size , previous history, hud stats etc it is impossible to say

he called because he thought he was being bluffed though obviously,

no way in a million years would kunk call 1/2 a buyin for information. he has called because he thought there was a good chance he would win the pot.

Im not certain but i think betting pattern was raise $3.5 pre with a call, flop jq6. bet $6 with a call. turn 6 check check. river 3 kunku bets $18 dobbs all in for etxtra $60 and kunku calls.

But like i said im not 100% certain that was pattern

ur right nohulm. actually its funny because its split. actually if kunku won dis hand it will be easier to understand his thoughts.

why is this so astounding? ace high he would probably just call, any other pair call as well (JJ66x, QQ66x, 66+lower pp).. so the move is either a monster or nothing. most likely nothing. so k high probably good there.

ive yet to see you make a call like that cav m8 :)

Calling with ace high far more common would have thought - King high is odd.

To be honest, I don't actually remember exactly how the hand played. Whatever it was, at the time I remember something not adding up. As most of you already know, im a MASSIVE non believer and I call or raise 80% of the time. In this case, I happen to have K hi which for me, is quite a strong hand.

I remember I busted out of the portugal betfair tourney last year calling an all in on the river, deep in day 2 with J hi. Naturally, the guy turned over nut full house. I sadly tapped the table. looked like a **** and went to the spa.

The last couple of months ive been playing a lot of 0.5-1 - 2-5 mostly for volume sake but also because I spent the previous year playing mostly HU and live, my online game turned into the equivalent of a rhesus monkey being fed a diet of deep fried mars bars. Not good.

You are probably right that it's a losing call, however, at 0.5-1 I cant ever turn down an opportunity to call with a hi card and be right.

Hardly the explanation you were hoping for, but its pretty much how I feel.

Other obv factors were that I simply didn't believe him and genuinely thought I was winning!

Found the HH.

doobs open button, i flat from SB with K-10ss coz im a fish and love to GAMBOL.

Flop the nuts. QJ5 rainbow. I ch trap...doobs falls for it and bets. I flat, setting trap with my nuts.

Turn 6s...bringing flush dr.

I check...doobs checks. @ 100bb ch in position + dr appearing v agg monkey = no set / 2 pr or even strong 1 pairs. Most likely air / picked up turn draw.

River blank 6. I bet 15 into 20...mr dobbs smashes the *****into the middle. Good read by him, however, reps nada. The only hand that is credible is a 6x as that would most likely check turn. However, hand combo wise there are much greater combos of hands that check that have nothing by the river.

i.e. 78, 89, 34, all spades, 9-10. and random**explosions. If we were deep (real poker not bloody 100bb) I would never flat call here, I would rereraise. But seeing as its online 100bb lolcashaments, what can I do. Got to call !

Hope that helps. What you think Bruce, you agree bit more now but still think long term losing play right?

Would like to know your thoughts too please.

cheers

Soul read - fair play.

Whenever I rep nada though, and play exactly like that, I never get called by K or A high. :(

hand combo wise there are much greater combos of hands that check that have nothing by the river.

But, in context is the question - how many hands that have shoved on the river. Fair play you were right, but I see 6x or a silly 2 pair popping up far more often. But it's also player dependent of course too.

Also what about him holding ace-high?

if he has ace hi. fair play. He wins. If he has 2pr. fair play he wins.

From exp i just feel that im good there. Then again, i'm much better player deep stacked and normally in that spot I rereraise.

Fun to lose sometimes with silly hands :)

If he was holding ace-high he would have just called river as it has value in the showdown.

Thanks for the replys john, i suppose this is why i will never be any good at poker cos i dont think i could have made that call in a million years mate. wd.

And cav mate i also think your Ace high thinking could be wrong because if dobbs did just have the ace and thought it was good enough to call with then why wouldnt he push to try and get the lot ?

The debate goes on :D

dobbs..often messing about with ace high and low pairs....horrible call..v dobbs

are you serious? why would he push ace high all in on this line for "value"?

if he still doesn't know why kunku called k high, very unlikely he could think far ahead as to think reraising all in ace-high would be called off winning.

What i mean is cav. If dobbs thought ace high was good enough to call with why not push if he is only going to get called by better then anyone with k or ace high folds and dobbs gets it all.

Apart from john that is :D

Some great 'table image' too for kunka on this thread ;)

*often calls with K high*.....notes on kunka

On that line, ace high is good enough to call, but not to reraise all in. That reraise all in on that spot looked a lot like air. The way the hand was played out, it's hard to put dobbs on a hand other than air.

Yeah, when Kunku bets after those actions on the river he either has a some value hand and he's not bet/folding it or he has a missed draw. Against that polarised range A-hi obv has sd-value (beats all missed draws) but raising would be stupid. Get usually called only by better hand (allthought Kunku shows here he's also capable to call witk K-hi:)

And A is far more often in Doobs range here than it is in Kunkus range (almost never) so raising for getting split hands to fold isn't really necessary/smart.


Gosh, i am tired so pretty much sure i miss something here and wrote totally bs...

funny thread its mad ppl saying this is a gd call. So the board is 66qjx- king is a chop and ace is a loss and doobs is prettu much a nit. I imagine 75% of his potential bluff hands beat or chop king high he coulda turn 44 55 etc into a bluff. I guess the fact mnost bluffs beat kunkus hand is where the problem lies ;)
And i imagine doobs frequency of raising betting the flop, checking the turn to shove over a river bet is like 1 in 100.

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