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richpickns
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I have been playing a lot of £30-£50 mtts recently. with Sharkscope I can see that 70% of the field are crp and only around 15% are winning players

so having played very weak players in mtts a lot in the last week I tried to figure out an optimal strategy for playing against these donks. So far I have

- value bet hard
- value bet thin
- bluff rarely
- use position whenever u can
- get in as many pots with them as possible with playable hands
- play your premium hands very strong - 4 bbs plus raises pre in early stages

any others that people can think of?
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Report Pennick November 12, 2009 6:18 PM GMT
PLAY NAKED
Report richpickns November 12, 2009 6:19 PM GMT
play naked against good players also

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Report mussleburgh man November 12, 2009 6:25 PM GMT
although my sharkscope shows me as a small loser at stt's over 600 games. I consider myself to be a better mtt player, certainly results and profit and loss would suport this. I am not convinced that using sharkscope gives u accurate results re players in mtt's. Just an opnion mind.

gl MM
Report mussleburgh man November 12, 2009 6:26 PM GMT
P.S WHATS URE POKER NAME
Report stalingrad November 12, 2009 6:40 PM GMT
I disagree its more than likely you have run good in a few mtt's scooping a bigger reward and therefore feel you are a better mtt player because of a few big wins
Report mussleburgh man November 12, 2009 6:50 PM GMT
again i disagree with above. I may not be at the same level of the likes of doobs, Ghadaffi, Rhino et al but i aint far behind. i note that a number of these players run badly in stt's but are clearly talented at mtt's. My name appears regularly in the top 50 leaderbord on betfair so i conclude otherwise.

gl
MM
Report Waheyyyy November 12, 2009 6:52 PM GMT
Personally, I'm getting worried about all these poker-related threads you keep making. Don't you realise this is BETFAIR poker forum. It doesn't happen here ;)
Report mussleburgh man November 12, 2009 6:56 PM GMT
Interesting point RICHPICKENS i find it pointless bluffing in these events early. Using ure position is key especially against doods u have not seen before. More and more fish getting into these MTT'S because of the qualifiers.
You should be licking ure lips
Report McCoy Carp November 12, 2009 6:58 PM GMT
Ghadaffi? Lol.
Report mussleburgh man November 12, 2009 7:02 PM GMT
is that u A.P
Report mussleburgh man November 12, 2009 7:04 PM GMT
Dont think u can argue with GHADAFFI'S rsults (consistent) at between $20-$50 MTT's to be honest.

gl

MM
Report McCoy Carp November 12, 2009 7:15 PM GMT
I know, hoping he would see this. Got very good bankroll management has the Colonel - most improved mtt player on Betfair. He'll be the first to admit I taught him everything he knows ;) (rockme)
Report mussleburgh man November 12, 2009 7:18 PM GMT
ah rockme some good results recently. vn

cheers MM
Report McCoy Carp November 12, 2009 7:19 PM GMT
ty u m8.
Report richpickns November 12, 2009 7:34 PM GMT
Mussleburgh -its true Sharkscope is only a guide but i find looking at stts results more of an indication of a players ability than mtts as one big result can skew the roi completely in mtts

i ask the question because recently in low level mtts i have cashed about twice in 20. thats pretty dire but again variance is a tricky bgger. having said that i havent played particularly well as often i dont give the lower buyins the real focus i should, also i haven't fully adjusted my strategy for the mtts, hence the question

my username is BearBatter on IPoker
Report DECKIE SPIDER November 12, 2009 7:36 PM GMT
Pointless thread.

Basing SNGs results to determine if a player is a bad MTT player??

.
Report richpickns November 12, 2009 7:42 PM GMT
thats not what the thread is about - read it
Report DECKIE SPIDER November 12, 2009 7:46 PM GMT
I have been playing a lot of £30-£50 mtts recently. with Sharkscope I can see that 70% of the field are crp and only around 15% are winning players

so having played very weak players in mtts a lot in the last week I tried to figure out an optimal strategy for playing against these donks. So far I have
Report mussleburgh man November 12, 2009 7:47 PM GMT
apologies i slightly mis read ure ?
Report Dooberama November 12, 2009 7:49 PM GMT
Basing SNGs results to determine if a player is a bad MTT player??

Thinly disguised my sharkscope is cr ap post.

I think abc is probably best btw. Bet big hands hard, punish limpers and do not bluff a calling station. I'd be pretty weary of calling non scandanavian reraises on ip oker. The average reraise range of many players there seems to be just AA and KK.

I don't see any harm in using sharkscope, but I rarely bother. It is usually obvious fairly soon who is a donk and who isn't. And if playing on ip oker just assume anyone who speaks french is a) a donk and b) a calling station.

I'd also say sharkscope is probably more useful later on to see who is scared money late in an MTT, though if you have shut your other tables, you should be able to suss this out fairly easily too!
Report DECKIE SPIDER November 12, 2009 7:49 PM GMT
I know at least 20-30 players who are sh it at SNG,s so there stats look dire on sharkscope. But are some of the best MTT players on here. Your plan is flawed.

For that reason i'm out.
Report DECKIE SPIDER November 12, 2009 7:51 PM GMT
Dooberama 12 Nov 20:49


Basing SNGs results to determine if a player is a bad MTT player??

Thinly disguised my sharkscope is cr ap post.


I have not lost money on SNGs so hardly bad compared to alot of players on here. Including u Doobs :-)
Report DECKIE SPIDER November 12, 2009 7:54 PM GMT
As doobs says u should spot the bad players within a orbit or 2. If you don't i'm afraid its you.
Report richpickns November 12, 2009 7:55 PM GMT
Deckie Spider - my post is about strategy, it assumes i use Sharkscope as a guide to player abilities but thats jut an antidote to the main question

so what do u think?
Report richpickns November 12, 2009 7:57 PM GMT
Doobs i agree about reraising ranges being narrow on IPoker for the higher stakes but defo not sub $50 stakes!
Report Dooberama November 12, 2009 7:58 PM GMT
It is just a guide ffs. Someone loses 10% on $10 games is likely to be a much worse player than someone who virtually breaks even on $100 games.

And if you read the whole post it was about how to play donks, not how to recognise them.

Doobs
Report DECKIE SPIDER November 12, 2009 8:09 PM GMT
My point was u should not need sharkscope to spot them in the first place..Anyway

All the standard ABC and mix it up e.g.

when you or oppo have raised 4BB+ and you hit or over pair and you lead underbet pot alot of time oppo re raise and re raise.

Early postion Min raises to aggro table with premium (has to be right table) reraise JJ + AQ AK as there ranges lot wider

smaller pairss 2's -7s are leaks imo when playing ur avg donk just hope for set or fold.

GL
Report richpickns November 12, 2009 8:45 PM GMT
'smaller pairss 2's -7s are leaks imo when playing ur avg donk just hope for set or fold.'

agreed
Report Never In Doubt November 13, 2009 7:25 AM GMT
Dont know if this has been said but sharkscope for MTTs? I wouldnt go on that i have a - $4k sharkscope on stars (rigged) But have loads of mtt profit
Report aristonandon November 13, 2009 8:01 AM GMT
plays lots of pots smallball and try to catch a flop hit a board.

donks cant pass so try to catch something big and then they stack off.

10/20 level u wouldnt think someone could give away 3000 *****on a one pair hand but they do all the time. even hands like 47 etc are playable in level one 2 of a big mtt because implied odds are so huge.
Report o o o o o o o o November 13, 2009 9:48 PM GMT
Sharkscope is a handy tool when playing SNG as it will tell u how some one performs in these games, to compare it with an mtt is ridiculous also cash games. You could lose 1k in a week playing sng but make 10k the same week from mtt and cash, sharkscope will have u down as a fish but u would be a massive winner outside of sng. Some of the best cash and mtt players have negative roi on sng so make what u want of it...
Report FFsmd November 13, 2009 11:16 PM GMT
On some sites eg ipoker u can look up mtt results only 000000 so iam assuming this is what hes done.

To add to the list in smaller field mtts 100 to 300 entrys its fine to play almost nitty as long as you can open up your game from the bubble onwards.

Deeper field mtts tag or lag styles must be deployed.
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