New Posts For Thread: Live situation when everyone short stackedhttps://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28956795/live-situation-when-everyone-short-stackedHi - any opinions for the following situation? I played the superpokerevent (not so super in the end with less than 900 runners when 4000 were advertised) in Dublin last weekend. The structure was fast meaning that when 140 players left with 90 paid,Funny thing is I play thousands of SitnGos and am very ICM aware. Working out when ICM is relevant in a tournament is more difficult for me - I suppose this is the perfect situation with the stacks so short.https://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28956795/live-situation-when-everyone-short-stacked?post_id=517031331#517031331Funny thing is I play thousands of SitnGos and am very ICM aware. Working out when ICM is relevant in a tournament is more difficult for me - I suppose this is the perfect situation with the stacks so short.Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:14:27 -0600I think you are probably about 50/50 vs his range, which means calling is likely to be an ICM disaster. While people can happily ship any 2 online, they probably struggle to do so live vs a BB that has them covered.I think you have to call somethinghttps://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28956795/live-situation-when-everyone-short-stacked?post_id=517016299#517016299I think you are probably about 50/50 vs his range, which means calling is likely to be an ICM disaster. While people can happily ship any 2 online, they probably struggle to do so live vs a BB that has them covered.I think you have to call somethingThu, 01 Mar 2012 07:44:19 -0600correct, with u allshort stacked ,the game plays like a doubleor nothing, u must keep your fold equity,and only callwith real premimums.https://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28956795/live-situation-when-everyone-short-stacked?post_id=517015047#517015047correct, with u allshort stacked ,the game plays like a doubleor nothing, u must keep your fold equity,and only callwith real premimums.Thu, 01 Mar 2012 06:55:05 -0600It is good to see you have learned something from it ttayseer. Yes, with 250K stack, its a snap call for 40 or 50K.https://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28956795/live-situation-when-everyone-short-stacked?post_id=517009995#517009995It is good to see you have learned something from it ttayseer. Yes, with 250K stack, its a snap call for 40 or 50K.Thu, 01 Mar 2012 03:13:36 -0600Everyone is relatively short stacked - that's the point. I would have thought that normally at this stage with 140 left we would be deeper. Small blind had about 40k. Table was playing so tight that I was able to shove my remaining 20k and not get cahttps://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28956795/live-situation-when-everyone-short-stacked?post_id=516994303#516994303Everyone is relatively short stacked - that's the point. I would have thought that normally at this stage with 140 left we would be deeper. Small blind had about 40k. Table was playing so tight that I was able to shove my remaining 20k and not get caWed, 29 Feb 2012 16:13:35 -0600I doubt he would be shoving with AA,KK,QQ,as he would really be wanting to get as much out of these hands as possible, and the shove does look like a steal.But unless he has a2,a3,a4,a5,a6,a7, or a hand containing an 8 other than 88, then what are yohttps://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28956795/live-situation-when-everyone-short-stacked?post_id=516991333#516991333I doubt he would be shoving with AA,KK,QQ,as he would really be wanting to get as much out of these hands as possible, and the shove does look like a steal.But unless he has a2,a3,a4,a5,a6,a7, or a hand containing an 8 other than 88, then what are yoWed, 29 Feb 2012 15:17:40 -0600Certainly not with A8.A8 is a good enough hand to shove but not to call.For me I need TT JJ QQ KK AA or AK to call and maybe AQ.Would probably shove any pair and most aces and KQ and maybe KJ.https://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28956795/live-situation-when-everyone-short-stacked?post_id=516983693#516983693Certainly not with A8.A8 is a good enough hand to shove but not to call.For me I need TT JJ QQ KK AA or AK to call and maybe AQ.Would probably shove any pair and most aces and KQ and maybe KJ.Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:23:09 -0600Sorry - of course 2,500 - 5,000. What are you calling with here?https://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28956795/live-situation-when-everyone-short-stacked?post_id=516980941#516980941Sorry - of course 2,500 - 5,000. What are you calling with here?Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:07:17 -0600very likely u in front, but very often only 60;/40.fold for me.ps are yer blinds correct? should it read 2500/5k?https://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28956795/live-situation-when-everyone-short-stacked?post_id=516979077#516979077very likely u in front, but very often only 60;/40.fold for me.ps are yer blinds correct? should it read 2500/5k?Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:17:41 -0600Its a very easy insta-fold for me, but I'm old school.https://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28956795/live-situation-when-everyone-short-stacked?post_id=516973795#516973795Its a very easy insta-fold for me, but I'm old school.Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:02:18 -0600