New Posts For Thread: good to see its not just poker players getting shaftedhttps://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28802451/good-to-see-its-not-just-poker-players-getting-shaftedeverybody getting doneWell if you follow the flawed logic put forward by Masked Avenger, bookmakers and Betfairs hidden army of traders all have the facility to lay a horse for at least the £29 million that was matched, and probably the other £571 million that wasn't.I'https://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28802451/good-to-see-its-not-just-poker-players-getting-shafted?post_id=514378913#514378913Well if you follow the flawed logic put forward by Masked Avenger, bookmakers and Betfairs hidden army of traders all have the facility to lay a horse for at least the £29 million that was matched, and probably the other £571 million that wasn't.I'Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:46:44 -0600Bookmaker, emperor of China, or sultan of Brunei is irrelevant. No-one should have £600m exposure.https://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28802451/good-to-see-its-not-just-poker-players-getting-shafted?post_id=514378447#514378447Bookmaker, emperor of China, or sultan of Brunei is irrelevant. No-one should have £600m exposure.Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:36:10 -0600Bookmaker, emperor of China, or sultan of Brunei is irrelevant. No-one should have £600m exposure.https://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28802451/good-to-see-its-not-just-poker-players-getting-shafted?post_id=514378443#514378443Bookmaker, emperor of China, or sultan of Brunei is irrelevant. No-one should have £600m exposure.Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:36:05 -0600I understand perfectly the point you are making- I just happen to think you are away with the fairies.https://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28802451/good-to-see-its-not-just-poker-players-getting-shafted?post_id=514378059#514378059I understand perfectly the point you are making- I just happen to think you are away with the fairies.Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:26:23 -0600You seem to have completely missed the point I was making. I'll try again.They were attempting to lay something that had no reallistic chance of winning - because of the fact that it had either fallen / was about to be pulled up / tailed off etc. Thehttps://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28802451/good-to-see-its-not-just-poker-players-getting-shafted?post_id=514376445#514376445You seem to have completely missed the point I was making. I'll try again.They were attempting to lay something that had no reallistic chance of winning - because of the fact that it had either fallen / was about to be pulled up / tailed off etc. TheFri, 30 Dec 2011 08:48:15 -0600Aye charly, but if you thought you were laying a non trier you wouldnt :a) Need to put up 28/1 b) Make your intention obvious by asking for £600 million to be matchedc) Still have it at 28/1 as it passed the postd) Wait till they had gone a mile andhttps://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28802451/good-to-see-its-not-just-poker-players-getting-shafted?post_id=514370115#514370115Aye charly, but if you thought you were laying a non trier you wouldnt :a) Need to put up 28/1 b) Make your intention obvious by asking for £600 million to be matchedc) Still have it at 28/1 as it passed the postd) Wait till they had gone a mile andFri, 30 Dec 2011 05:30:02 -0600I think they are very lucky they have a virtual monopoly when it comes to the Exchange. People who trade for a living have no option but to carry on , though as you say Eagle it has been a PR disaster and will surely have a negative impact when it cohttps://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28802451/good-to-see-its-not-just-poker-players-getting-shafted?post_id=514369969#514369969I think they are very lucky they have a virtual monopoly when it comes to the Exchange. People who trade for a living have no option but to carry on , though as you say Eagle it has been a PR disaster and will surely have a negative impact when it coFri, 30 Dec 2011 05:23:41 -0600Okay, you state :Why couldn't it have been betfair themselves who were trying to hoover bets on no hopers but got it spectacularly wrongPlease explain your reasoning behind this thinking, and in particular how a company could accidentally trade on ahttps://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28802451/good-to-see-its-not-just-poker-players-getting-shafted?post_id=514369879#514369879Okay, you state :Why couldn't it have been betfair themselves who were trying to hoover bets on no hopers but got it spectacularly wrongPlease explain your reasoning behind this thinking, and in particular how a company could accidentally trade on aFri, 30 Dec 2011 05:20:19 -0600Your opinion on this will differ greatly with any financial interest you had on the race.I had none and the logical thing is to believe there was a glitch in the software, although betfair couldnt have handled it much worse and Tony Calvins interviehttps://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28802451/good-to-see-its-not-just-poker-players-getting-shafted?post_id=514367929#514367929Your opinion on this will differ greatly with any financial interest you had on the race.I had none and the logical thing is to believe there was a glitch in the software, although betfair couldnt have handled it much worse and Tony Calvins intervieFri, 30 Dec 2011 03:38:31 -0600"So you ARE saying they acted deliberately by trading their own market"Yes, they trade their own markets, this is well known. I've stated that they made an error in this instance. I think I've made that perfectly clear."Presumably you have withdrawnhttps://community.betfair.com/poker/go/thread/view/94146/28802451/good-to-see-its-not-just-poker-players-getting-shafted?post_id=514353607#514353607"So you ARE saying they acted deliberately by trading their own market"Yes, they trade their own markets, this is well known. I've stated that they made an error in this instance. I think I've made that perfectly clear."Presumably you have withdrawnThu, 29 Dec 2011 16:03:43 -0600