New Posts For Thread: Vuelta a Espanahttps://community.betfair.com/other_sports/go/thread/view/94142/30050335/vuelta-a-espanaAbout time we had the fred up.Nibali 9/4 favourite but might be using this as prep for the Worlds.Rodriguez & Valverde 2nd and 3rd favourites but just come off the Tour, although Valverde did both last year and coped well.Henao and Uran go for Sky, bAICAR seems to be what the pros were using a few years ago to lose mass without losing power. Supposedly there is a test to detect it, but I'd take that with a pinch of salt. I'd be surprised if Horner was using anything new.https://community.betfair.com/other_sports/go/thread/view/94142/30050335/vuelta-a-espana?post_id=535583829#535583829AICAR seems to be what the pros were using a few years ago to lose mass without losing power. Supposedly there is a test to detect it, but I'd take that with a pinch of salt. I'd be surprised if Horner was using anything new.Sun, 22 Sep 2013 10:53:16 -0500It does seem likely to be EPO-type blood doping of some sort. But both Horner and Froome are skeletal - even for cyclists - they have faces like E.T - so maybe it's something to do with fat burning.https://community.betfair.com/other_sports/go/thread/view/94142/30050335/vuelta-a-espana?post_id=535583093#535583093It does seem likely to be EPO-type blood doping of some sort. But both Horner and Froome are skeletal - even for cyclists - they have faces like E.T - so maybe it's something to do with fat burning.Sun, 22 Sep 2013 10:06:38 -0500I'd suggest as there was a mix up between USADA and their Spanish counterparts, the latter looking for a clean Vuelta may be a similar far fetched story.https://community.betfair.com/other_sports/go/thread/view/94142/30050335/vuelta-a-espana?post_id=535522565#535522565I'd suggest as there was a mix up between USADA and their Spanish counterparts, the latter looking for a clean Vuelta may be a similar far fetched story.Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:53:12 -0500Forgive the Machiavellian thought processes but it did cross my mind that the USADA ‘missed appointment’ with Chris Horner for his random dope test seemed a little odd.It made me wonder if they had serious doubts about the credibility of his perfhttps://community.betfair.com/other_sports/go/thread/view/94142/30050335/vuelta-a-espana?post_id=535522257#535522257Forgive the Machiavellian thought processes but it did cross my mind that the USADA ‘missed appointment’ with Chris Horner for his random dope test seemed a little odd.It made me wonder if they had serious doubts about the credibility of his perfWed, 18 Sep 2013 13:31:25 -0500I've always thought Roche has ridden clean. Always had the talent but hasn't been able to apply himself 100%, now since he's shacked up with Riis he suddenly gets more consistent and starts TT'ng. That worries me.Pinot & Konig are the other two.Pretthttps://community.betfair.com/other_sports/go/thread/view/94142/30050335/vuelta-a-espana?post_id=535521491#535521491I've always thought Roche has ridden clean. Always had the talent but hasn't been able to apply himself 100%, now since he's shacked up with Riis he suddenly gets more consistent and starts TT'ng. That worries me.Pinot & Konig are the other two.PrettWed, 18 Sep 2013 12:45:51 -05007/10?The 3 I'd be most confident about being clean looking at that top 10 would be Nibali, Pinot and Roche. There's only 2 in the top 10 I'm sure were doping, (CH & DP) and with the other 5 there wasn't anything that caught my eye as being freakish bhttps://community.betfair.com/other_sports/go/thread/view/94142/30050335/vuelta-a-espana?post_id=535515105#5355151057/10?The 3 I'd be most confident about being clean looking at that top 10 would be Nibali, Pinot and Roche. There's only 2 in the top 10 I'm sure were doping, (CH & DP) and with the other 5 there wasn't anything that caught my eye as being freakish bWed, 18 Sep 2013 02:32:29 -0500As for where Nibali lost it. A combination of two stages I think. Firstly underestimating Horner when he took 50 mins on the first MTF and then not going the full Pozzovivo in the TT when he already knew Horner had mountain legs.https://community.betfair.com/other_sports/go/thread/view/94142/30050335/vuelta-a-espana?post_id=535498705#535498705As for where Nibali lost it. A combination of two stages I think. Firstly underestimating Horner when he took 50 mins on the first MTF and then not going the full Pozzovivo in the TT when he already knew Horner had mountain legs.Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:58:44 -0500I think we can say with confidence that seven out of the top ten were cheating without any fear. The other three? One I'd be extremely worried about after previously riding clean(My opinion) and the other two have the benefit of the doubt. We all knehttps://community.betfair.com/other_sports/go/thread/view/94142/30050335/vuelta-a-espana?post_id=535498625#535498625I think we can say with confidence that seven out of the top ten were cheating without any fear. The other three? One I'd be extremely worried about after previously riding clean(My opinion) and the other two have the benefit of the doubt. We all kneMon, 16 Sep 2013 17:53:07 -0500I just think that they have found new, effective ways to microdose EPO. I believe it is a C02 inhaler delivery system means they avoid detection but still get a big performance boost. It was apparently being trialled by many teams in the Tour and bechttps://community.betfair.com/other_sports/go/thread/view/94142/30050335/vuelta-a-espana?post_id=535498087#535498087I just think that they have found new, effective ways to microdose EPO. I believe it is a C02 inhaler delivery system means they avoid detection but still get a big performance boost. It was apparently being trialled by many teams in the Tour and becMon, 16 Sep 2013 17:06:04 -0500It's not my area of interest to discuss such matters, never has been -- sorry! SP.https://community.betfair.com/other_sports/go/thread/view/94142/30050335/vuelta-a-espana?post_id=535494613#535494613It's not my area of interest to discuss such matters, never has been -- sorry! SP.Mon, 16 Sep 2013 13:53:43 -0500