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11 Sep 10 11:27
Date Joined: 22 Mar 02
| Topic/replies: 54 | Blogger: npiquet's blog
SJ have a market "How many drivers will pit at the end of the first lap?" None = 15/8. That is my bet.

The 'trader' (I phoned them up) said that the bet was indeed for the end of THE first lap. I would have thought they meant 'THEIR first lap'.

So I clarified this scenario - if the leader crosses the line after the first lap they will be on the second lap [correct] so if no one has pitted by the time the leader crosses the line, first time, a bet on 'none' drivers to pit on the first lap would be a winner? correct.Shocked
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Report subbuteo master September 11, 2010 1:25 PM BST
Mental !!!!

Ham gets pole. Ham gets round first lap. You get paid !

Bloody madness.

I see an argument with SJ looming
Report catfloppo September 11, 2010 3:11 PM BST
Well, it won't be much of an agrgument because it's quite clearly wrong.
Report npiquet September 11, 2010 4:29 PM BST
I will refer them to my telephone conversation that will be recorded 1 min before my bet, where they quite specifically say that it is based on the end of THE first lap. I spelt out the scenario as described and they said a bet on 'none' will be a winner. How can they penalise me when I took the trouble to double check and even helped them by suggested an alternatively worded bet that made more sense?
Report catfloppo September 11, 2010 5:58 PM BST
It's still obviously wrong as you realised at the time.
Report -= coked up pansy =- September 11, 2010 7:08 PM BST
Palable errors should only get you out of obvious mistakes rather than being a blanket excuse for any fook-up. This isn't the usual case of people backing mistakes and thinking they are cleaver. The chap has gone out of his way to clarify the bet and include example situations.

At some point, and I belive this is that point, traders need to accept that either their opinion on the odds was wrong, or they need someone to word the markets for them.
Report fkqmz September 11, 2010 11:44 PM BST
good luck getting this one through IBAS, you're going to need it!
Report bb66 September 12, 2010 1:18 PM BST
what about Kobayashi? did he ever leave the pit lane?
Report npiquet September 12, 2010 2:23 PM BST
Didn't see but bet is 'How many drivers will pit ...' i.e. pit is a verb so he has to physically drive into the pits anyway. Will have the argument next race. Mischief
Report catfloppo September 12, 2010 7:48 PM BST
It's because of things like this that we get bombarded with reams of terms and conditions every time we blink.  I stayed in a hotel last year and my kids weren't allowed to jump in the pool in case they hurt themselves and I sued the hotel.

Can't you just use a bit of common sense and save everyone from a 5 minute prerecorded legal disclaimer everytime they call?
Report npiquet September 12, 2010 11:09 PM BST
Floppo, are u one of those illiterate traders who make up bets where anyone who uses 'a bit of common sense' will understand what you mean, and when money is at stake it doesn't matter if there is an opposing point of view when punters look logically at the offer from the way it is worded? And what has a health & safety analogy got to do with this?

BTW if the trader really meant 'at the end of THEIR first lap' 15/8 for 'none' was generous odds and two or more drivers pitting at 4/5 was way off the mark.

P.S. It's 10/1 on that SJ don't change the wording of the bet for the next race (because they think like you)
Report catfloppo September 12, 2010 11:51 PM BST
It was just a rant.  I don't like the culture of no responsibility we are developing.  A few years ago I caught some kids nicking stuff from my car, they told me it was my fault for not locking it.  Apologies for going off topic a bit :)
Report fkqmz September 13, 2010 7:20 AM BST
npiquet, sorry to be so blunt but you're no better than a common thief lad. SJ are trying to vary their offer and give you opportunities to bet. you're exploiting the fact that very few firms have motorsport specialists who know these things well enough to word the rules exactly right. Thankfully IBAS was created to protect good bookies from cretins like you and thankfully, they "think like" floppo, and me and SJ so it looks like you're out on your own!

even if, on another planet, you managed to get paid, you're account will be written off and you'll never bet with them again. Is that really worth whatever you've managed to get on at 15/8? I strongly advise you to let this one go and try to find a PROPER strategy which doesn't involve exploiting bookmakers.
Report npiquet September 13, 2010 10:33 AM BST
Sorry to go on, but I have to reply to the last post even though he (?) is a bit of a wind-up merchant.

I am having a bit of fun to see how long it takes for SJ to change the wording of the bet. I bet a tenner. I'm not robbing them at all (they get all the winnings back on my bets on the horses).

I am telling them (in advance) the bet needs to be tightened up by changing the word 'the' to 'their'. I'll do the same bet next race after I've phoned them up to clarify, and I'll keep doing it until I lose my bet.

I'll then have my 'argument' with them then and see what happens. I will be very pleasant and appreciative of the range of motor sports bets they offer. I'll even suggest a few new ones, having canvassed the opinion of other betting enthusiasts who value the company's efforts to offer variety. If I get banned as a result of all this it won't bother me one bit. It is not important.

Floppo - understand how you feel, life can be very frustrating at times without a dose a common sense all round. As I say to my kids, it's not like the olden days!
Report fkqmz September 13, 2010 10:50 AM BST
how is that a reply? all you've done is reiterate your plan of theft, and then tried to justify by putting more spin on it than a government tax rise! truth is you're being dishonest and trying to extract money by way of being pedantic, rather than shrewd, genuine betting. If I was the miserable trader, I would just bump you straight off to IBAS and shut your account immediately.
Report npiquet September 21, 2010 1:45 PM BST
SJ have now changed the bet to 'THEIR' first lap.

That was quick of them. Hmmmm .... which one of you works for SJ?  Confused
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